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Rob Ford: "I`m Finished with Alcohol"; Zimmerman Charged With Assault
Aired November 19, 2013 - 21:00 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
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DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST (voice-over): Tonight, crack mayor says he`s finished -- with booze. But he`s still making fun of those who drink and drive. Is this a Canadian thing? We`ve stacked our behavior bureau with those who know.
Plus, George Zimmerman ordered to get rid of his guns, can`t leave the state of Florida, must wear a monitoring device -- because he is charged with attacking his girlfriend. Why can`t he stay out of trouble?
And nuts over McNuggets. This customer freaked out over her fast food order. We`ve got the viral video.
Let`s get started.
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PINSKY: Good evening, everyone.
My co-host is Sirius XM host Jenny Hutt.
And, Jenny, I like my McNuggets, too, once in a while. But I don`t know if I`d bust the window out of the drive-thru. You? I know you`ve freaked out a little bit in public. We`ll hear about it, right?
JENNY HUTT, CO-HOST: Yes, you`ll hear about it later.
PINSKY: OK, I appreciate that.
Coming up, making George Zimmerman -- he`s out of jail after making bond, that is, so why is he visibly sweating in court? We`re going to look at that and some of the other mysteries about Mr. Zimmerman.
But, first, breaking news in the saga of crack Mayor Rob Ford. After just one night, TV show canceled.
Now, that hasn`t stopped him, of course, from talking. Here`s what he told a Canadian TV host when asked about using drugs while he`s been mayor.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Marijuana, while you`ve been mayor?
ROB FORD, TORONTO MAYOR: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ever on cocaine?
FORD: Yes. Sometimes people drink once or, or two or three drinks and they`re drunk. I`m a big guy. You know, it might take me a few more drinks than that.
I haven`t had a drop of alcohol in three weeks.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A drop?
FORD: A drop, a drop. I`ll take a urine test right now.
I save money. You squander it!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So what happened out there in those council chambers? You guys call it a coup d`etat.
FORD: Mark my words, friends, this is going to be outright war.
TV ANCHOR: A chaotic meeting where he made gestures -- you`re looking at him right there -- toward a council member who had allegedly drunk driving issues.
PINSKY: Joining us, Lynn Berry, HLN, host, Segun Oduolowu, social commentator, Anahita Sedaghatfar, defense attorney, Dean Obeidallah, contributor to CNN.com and "The Daily Beast".
And on the phone, CNN senior international correspondent Nic Robertson.
Nic, can you tell us what happened to the television show? Why suddenly after one day?
NIC ROBERTSON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (via telephone): Well, they got record viewing figures. For them, they were outstanding, you know, 100,000 viewers. But what they said was, look, it just was too intense and too costly in production costs and production time.
We stood outside that TV station on Sunday while the recording was going on, talked to the station chief and various other anchors that came out. They were just having a really bad time the Fords I guess read that prompter, get that lines right, and it took them over three hours to record the show. That`s one reason.
But the deputy mayor has also weighed in on this whole issue of whether or not the mayor can actually quit alcohol, saying that, well, it may be easy to go cold turkey for a week or two weeks or three weeks, but doing it in the long run, that`s going to be difficult.
So many people here urging the mayor to think about it, take some time off, come back. The deputy mayor not ruling it out at the point, but really the deputy mayor hoping the mayor can calm down so he can get on and deal with him in the coming days.
What`s going to happen tomorrow? The mayor has promised a legal challenge. It`s not coming. But the media will go to court try to get hold on that redacted police document, 500 pages. More details maybe.
PINSKY: Thank you, Nic Robertson. We appreciate that.
It is such a great example of how difficult it is to manage, I dare say treat, a binge alcoholic. They convince themselves they can control their alcohol use. Hey, look, I`m good for three weeks. Meantime, they`re white knuckling their way through with things. They`re still not in their normal state at all.
And we have to ask ourselves, what if Toronto was attack by terrorists, or disaster struck Toronto, and Bob was on one of his drunken stupors? Rob Ford that is.
NBC`s Matt Lauer wanted to know exactly that. Take a look.
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FORD: But that could happen with anybody at any time. Say you were gone out drinking or you were drunk and say something happened to your family.
MATT LAUER, NBC: The lives of a million people aren`t resting on my decisions.
FORD: Hold on. Say your son or daughter just got killed in a car accident, you`re plastered out of your mind at 3:00 in the morning, are you going to be able to handle that?
LAUER: I take personal responsibility for my family. You`ve got taxpayers and residents of this city that are depending on you.
FORD: And I --
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PINSKY: Jenny, the way we deal with people like that, these -- you know, alcoholics and addicts, that`s the way they think all the time. They obfuscate, they push back on you.
Here`s what -- if he had said to me, I -- you know, what would you do, I would say hey, that`s not what we`re talking about right now. Right now we`re talking about you and your alcohol problem and the effect it`s having on the mayoral office. So, shut up, let`s get through this.
You have to be very firm and very direct. And people are so fearful and walk on eggshells around alcoholics as though magically they`re going to escalate. No. They`ll straighten up and they`ll answer the questions. But you have to ask very directly, although continue to obfuscate and deflect.
HUTT: But, Dr. Drew, don`t you think part of the problem is that the people in his life don`t really realize? I mean, his brother in that very interview, Matt Lauer says he only goes on benders some of the time. I mean --
PINSKY: Then, you go with him. Hey, only, that`s what we`re going to talk about, only those benders, because I know what those mean. Maybe you don`t understand, I`ll help you understand that. But we`re going to talk about those, not mine, yours.
And that`s the way you`ve got to approach people like this. Sarah Thompson in 2010 fought for mayor, lost to Rob Ford. She later accused him of groping her.
Last night, Piers Morgan if Ford was just being rambunctious or what he said was, quote, "a very unpleasant harasser."
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He was completely stumped. So he was not the Rob Ford I know. I had been with him for about 10 months in the election. This was a man who wouldn`t look me in the eye. He would always look at his toes. So, here he was in my face saying --
PIERS MORGAN, CNN HOST: Did he see his toes?
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PINSKY: Anahita, you specialize in these sorts of "relationships", I put in quotes. What do you have to say about this?
ANAHITA SEDAGHATFAR, ATTORNEY: Well, I have to say we`re calling him crack mayor. Are we now going to have to call him grope mayor? We have another woman confirming the fact that he`s a drunk, that he`s an alcoholic.
I mean, the world is screaming out to him, you need help. And he is in total, total denial. And if he`s confronted with this, he`s going to say oh, no. I don`t have to grope her. I have enough butts to grope at home, or something just totally disgusting, and he`ll probably hold another press conference because he loves the limelight. He`ll threaten to sue her for defamation, just along with all of her staffers.
You know --
PINSKY: Wouldn`t you love to represent her if she took action?
SEDAGHATFAR: I would love to represent her. I definitely would. What I wouldn`t want to do is represent him, because I think there would be no client control, Dr. Drew.
PINSKY: Right, of course.
SEDAGHATFAR: He does not want to shut his mouth. He wants to speak. He is enjoying this notoriety.
PINSKY: It seems like. Lynn, do you agree? Are we missing anything here?
LYNN BERRY, HLN HOST: I don`t think he`s in denial. I think he`s extremely manipulative. One of the things I found most interesting about his interview with Matt Lauer is he said, I`m not perfect, maybe you are, Matt, but I`m not perfect.
Well, of course, no one expects you to be perfect. We expect you to be a mayor who doesn`t smoke crack. That`s what we expect of you. And that`s what he thinks, if he says those kinds of words, I`ve known a lot of manipulative people. If you say those sorts of words it makes you think you`re crazy. Like oh, yes, you`re right, you shouldn`t be perfect. That`s what he does.
PINSKY: That`s not what we`re talking about. Dean, do you agree with me?
DEAN OBEIDALLAH, THE DAILY BEAST: I do agree.
I disagree, Lynn, I am perfect. There are perfect people out there.
PINSKY: You, I know.
BERRY: Except me.
OBEIDALLAH: Here`s the reality, though. What`s shocking, though, is he refuses to accept the idea of going to rehab. Yet American politicians have no problem with it. Maybe it`s a cultural thing.
Look in America, they have alcoholism, they go to rehab. Anthony Weiner, he didn`t know how to use Twitter properly, went to rehab. Today, a United States congressman was charged -- a United States congressman today was charged with cocaine possession, Trey Radel. In his first public statement, he said, "I`m going for treatment."
So, maybe it`s a Canadian thing. They won`t go for help. But he needs help. He`s a mayor of the fourth biggest city of North America, a city of 3 million people. He should go there and the longer it takes, the less likely he`ll be ever an elected official again.
BERRY: Dean, I think it`s definitely a cultural thing. I think in this day, politicians don`t really go to rehab, they just go to someplace out of the limelight.
PINSKY: They say they go to rehab. We don`t know what they`re talking about.
But, Segun, I`m going to give you a second here. I`m against the clock. Make your statement. We`re going to go across the break and finish up.
So, what do you have to say?
SEGUN ODUOLOWU, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: Real quickly, he without sin cast the first stone. I`m hearing all these people say what he should do, as if they have never had a mistake in their life or they have never made a mistake --
PINSKY: You sounded like Rob Ford.
ODUOLOWU: You know what? It`s cool. It`s like if you want to cut me off and say I sound like Rob Ford, let`s look at this honestly. This is America. We had a mayor smoked crack in the nation`s capital, he got reelected. We had Ted Kennedy get drunk numerous times and have problems with his staffers get reelected. And we had a president accused of adultery and still had the highest approval ratings of any president in the last 15 years.
So, who are we to start judging what they do in Toronto? And I kept saying it and I`ll keep saying, if you want to come and get him, come and get him, but if he wants to take him on, take him on. It`s politics, baby. That`s how they handle it.
PINSKY: Next up, Tom Green, comedian Tom Green here with his take on the mayor of mayhem. There`s old Tom. He`s a Canadian, of course. And he`s got ideas.
And later, George Zimmerman, he`s apparently now homeless, broke, unemployed. But he managed to get charged once again with a felony and got served with divorce papers, my understanding, too. We`ll hear about that.
Back after this.
ANNOUNCER: The mayor of mayhem, like you`ve never seen him before.
FORD: (EXPLETIVE DELETED) holy Christ!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`re not wasting anytime.
FORD: I do not use crack cocaine.
ANNOUNCER: The booze, the dope.
FORD: I was sick and tired of all these allegations and all the (EXPLETIVE DELETED) excuse my words.
This (EXPLETIVE DELETED) brother. I just need to go (EXPLETIVE DELETED) by myself, in my (EXPLETIVE DELETED) underwear. I want to go with this guy.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You didn`t pick her up. Your staff picked her up.
FORD: No, I picked her up.
PINSKY: So what you see he`s talking about is this poor event, and this poor little old lady ends up with a swollen lip.
PINSKY: Back with my co-host Jenny Hutt, Lynn, Segun and Anahita.
Joining us, actor/comedian Tom Green. Host of "Tom Green Live", Thursdays on AXS.
There he is, Toronto`s crack mayor, Rob Ford, is stripped of power. Now, he`s stripped of his TV show.
Tom, shouldn`t he be allowed to have his television show?
TOM GREEN, ACTOR/COMEDIAN: Well, you know, I think he should just get away from the cameras. That`s probably the number one piece of advice, if he wanted advice from me. Get away from the cameras, take a fishing trip. Go up Kapuskasing on a canoe trip. Go camping on the outskirts of Rangina (ph). Stop talking.
You know, what`s happening here is you have a media feeding frenzy. Everything this guy says is outrageous. So just take a break.
I think if you let the 24-hour news cycle go where he wasn`t in front of the camera, we would move on to some other moron out there. There`s plenty of George Zimmermans and Anthony Weiners out there to take the mantle.
PINSKY: Should he go -- what did you guys call it, go to cottage?
GREEN: Go to cottage country. Go catch some northern pike up there in Kapuskasing, eh?
Anahita, you had something.
SEDAGHATFAR: Yes, I was going to say, he`s not going to be quiet, Dr. Drew. He is a narcissist. I`m sure you would agree. There`s no reason for him to be giving media interviews still at this point. I mean, he`s been stripped of his power, he`s given press conferences, interviews. He`s denied these allegations. What is the point?
PINSKY: Well, the point is, Anahita, Segun says he`s after politics as usual. He`s trying to hold onto his position, right?
ODUOLOWU: Absolutely, Dr. Drew. Like to me, and I agree with Tom, that it would be great if he got out of the camera`s light, because it feels like death by a thousand cuts. Every time he opens his mouth, there`s another chimes in and says, he bullied me this, he groped my butt here, he drunk with me this, he did this.
You know what? Show me a politician that doesn`t have skeletons. And we all -- all of us, everyone last of us says that there`s no such thing as bad publicity. And for a politician, there really isn`t. He stays in the limelight. If they want to come get him, come and get him.
PINSKY: Tom, he`s so interested in the limelight, maybe he should redo the bum-bum video or something, yes?
GREEN: Yes, let`s get Rob Ford doing the bum-bum song. That would help him at this point, probably. That`s how bad it`s gotten.
PINSKY: Well, but, in fact, Lynn, that`s kind of how he`s managed to keep people engaged with him. He seems like a sort of unwitting, regular guy who people are so tough on, you know, that kind of attitude is what he maintains.
ODUOLOWU: Tell them, Dr. Drew.
BERRY: Here`s the thing that people may not know. He comes from a very wealthy background. This guy was a privileged kid, a privileged adult.
And what he figured out is there are a lot more people underprivileged than privileged. And so, if you wanted to keep vote, what he started to do, once Toronto`s sort of area spread into the suburbs, is he realized there are a lot more voters that he can attract that are lower income, so he became the man of the people. He would actually give out his home address.
ODUOLOWU: Are we knocking --
BERRY: We`re not mocking anyone.
ODUOLOWU: Are we knocking the rich guy for being a man of the people?
BERRY: No. I`m not knocking him. I`m saying that`s how he`s stayed alive.
PINSKY: One at a time. Jenny first.
HUTT: I just want to go back to what you were saying that every politician. First of all, all the wrongs don`t make one other wrong right. The comparison thing irritates me.
ODUOLOWU: Why, because it`s right?
HUTT: No, not because it`s right, because I think it`s sort of like it doesn`t matter what he`s doing when so-and-so did this. It feels immature to me. You`re very smart.
ODUOLOWU: We`re hanging him out to dry like he`s the worst politician ever. He`s par for the course.
HUTT: Let me just finish what I`m saying to you, though. My issue with him isn`t just his behavior outside of what we`re seeing, it`s that what we`re seeing is a buffoon. And I think as a political figure, to be a buffoon, when you`re supposed to lead your city is not a great idea.
I think that we`ve had presidents who are philandering and having affairs like 60 percent of men, but this is some other sort of very grand behavior.
PINSKY: Lynn, you disagree? Lynn?
BERRY: Well, you also brought up Marion Barry, yes, he was elected. But he was also went to jail.
PINSKY: I believe Marion Barry is sober bright now and I would love to hear his thoughts on this, because, really, he is the guy we need to hear from. He has tweeted about it, but he hasn`t come out publicly about it. Go ahead, Segun.
ODUOLOWU: Like I said, it`s not an immature statement to say that other politicians have done this and probably much worse, that have never made it to the light of day. We`re seeing a lot of documentaries on the Kennedys, but he was cheating on his wife and having affairs. Hold on a second. I`m just saying that this guy is no worse in the annals of politicians than a lot of ones we`ve had.
SEDAGHATFAR: That`s different. Segun, he`s inviting this. You guys, all of those people that you mentioned --
ODUOLOWU: He`s inviting it?
SEDAGHATFAR: Yes, Dr. Drew, I think he`s inviting this. He continues to speak, he`s inviting this limelight, and it`s working. It is working. He has a higher approval rating than Obama.
ODUOLOWU: He`s supposed to. He`s a politician. That`s what politicians do.
BERRY: Also, cheating on your wife is different than smoking crack.
ODUOLOWU: I would argue, I would argue to a wife it may be a little different story.
PINSKY: I want the Canadian on the panel.
BERRY: -- when it comes to ruling his city.
PINSKY: I need more from Tom.
See what we`re fighting about here?
GREEN: I think the sad thing about this as a Canadian, when you live in the United States, people in America don`t know that much about Canada. And here we are thrust into the spotlight, and Toronto is made to look like this country bumpkin little town because of this guy who`s obviously outrageous and his appearance is outrageous, his behavior is outrageous.
But Toronto is world class city. Toronto is like a New York or a Chicago or a Rome, or a Berlin. And it`s the largest city in the largest - - second largest country in the world. And I think Canadians are a little freaked out by this whole story. The story has become bigger --
ODUOLOWU: They elected him.
PINSKY: Well, for the Canadians out there, that`s why Tom moved down here with us.
GREEN: It seems like the story here has become bigger than the deed itself. Yes, he smoked crack once. Yes, he`s the crack smoking mayor before, but this story has taken on a life of its own, and I have a theory about this.
GREEN: And I think the reason is because it`s fun to say crack- smoking mayor.
ODUOLOWU: Tom --
PINSKY: The reason we had -- I got to go to break, but the reason we had a tan mom is because with the word just rolled off your tongue. And now we have crack mayor. It takes a little more than that.
And part of it is what Anahita is talking about, he keeps -- and, Segun, you, too -- every day -- and, Tom, you said the same thing -- the news cycle never has a chance to reset, because he keeps giving us more material.
All right. Behavior bureau, I`m bringing them in.
Tom, you`re going to stay with me.
Crack mayor says he`s not an alcoholic or an addict. Again, behavior bureau`s going to look at that and what is going to happen as a result of that denial.
And later on, this woman -- well, guess what she would like? She would like some chicken McNugget, please?
And they weren`t available for breakfast. And she will not have that. So, take a look, it gets worse. It gets a lot worse. It keeps going. We`ll show you the whole video. And we`ve got a behavior bureau on that one as well.
Back after this.
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GREEN: Canada has finally arrived. We sort of look at it like this is outrageous and ridiculous. And we can`t believe this is happening. You know, it`s sort of like finally Canada has entered the American 24-hour scandal cycle.
And it`s a strange thing to sort of see, you know, that somebody like a mayor of Toronto is now using the Honey Boo Boo playbook for fame. In a way, you could say he`s crazy. But in a way, you could say he`s a bit crazy like a fox.
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PINSKY: And I`m back with my co-host Jenny Hutt.
As Tom says, although it`s Rome, Paris, all rolls into one up there in Toronto, he had to sacrifice by coming down here to join us in Los Angeles.
Thank you, Tom.
GREEN: Los Angeles is a great city, of course, but Los Angeles, I have to say, does not hold a candle to Toronto.
PINSKY: Like I said, you had to make a sacrifice to spend time with us. I get it.
Well, Toronto has a crack-smoking mayor and he`s demanded to see the video of himself smoking crack. He says he can`t remember it because he was too drunk. Listen to what he told mat lawyer today on NBC`s "Today".
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LAUER: They asked you were you a crack addict, according to you, and you said no.
FORD: I`m not.
And they said do you use crack cocaine? No, I don`t use crack cocaine. No.
Have I tried crack cocaine? Yes, I`ve tried it.
LAUER: That`s the game of semantics and the best I heard you give for you using that crack cocaine was that was in a drunken stupor. And I`m wondering, is that supposed to maybe anybody feel better?
FORD: No, not at all. But show me the video. Even according --
LAUER: Does the video matter?
FORD: Because I want to see the video. I can`t barely even remember it. I was very, very inebriated.
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Joining us on the behavior bureau tonight: Tiffanie Davis Henry, psychotherapist. And out Canadians: Wendy Walsh, psychologist, author of "The 30-Day Love Detox", Jillian Barberie, social commentator and, of course, the great Tom Green.
All right, guys. He`s pressed about his alcohol and drug use. He diverts attention elsewhere. Look at this. I want to show you.
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FORD: We`ve all made mistakes, Matt. I`m not perfect. Maybe you are. Maybe other people are.
All they did was stab me in the back and over issues, same issues that I`ve admitted to that they do but nobody knows about it. Say you were going out drinking or you were drunk.
Have you ever gotten drunk before, Bill?
REPORTER: Of course.
FORD: OK, sure.
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PINSKY: Tiffanie, somebody`s got to explain to me why the interviewers allow him to get away with those deflections, why they don`t zero back in on him, and go, stop it, let`s go, answer my question.
TIFFANIE DAVIS HENRY, HLN CONTRIBUTOR: Because they`re not properly trained, Dr. Drew. If only you would come on DR. DREW ON CALL, I think he would get the direct questioning that he needs, and maybe even get some insight and some help.
PINSKY: That`s the point. It breaks through his denial so he has to look at it himself and he can`t continue to turn away and continue to obfuscate.
Wendy, do you agree with that?
WENDY WALSH, PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, yes, but he`s also trying the "he who has not sinned should cast the first stone" defense. It`s a very old defense that appeals to a lot of people. It makes us all feel a little uncomfortable, those of us who have been drunk once in our lives. And so, he keeps throwing it out there to make us think about this.
PINSKY: Yes. But, Wendy, you`ve been drunk more than once.
WALSH: OK. Twice.
PINSKY: OK, twice.
But, Jillian, do you understand what I`m talking about. Why people -- if were you doing the program -- you`ve anchored programs. Come on, cut it out.
JILLIAN BARBERIE, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: I don`t know why that wasn`t asked. You know, in his defense, Canadian beer is better and stronger. So, there`s that.
But I take issue with the whole thing with you said is this a Canadian thing? Of course, there`s rehab up there and we called vacation. Uncle Pete went away on vacation.
But it does exist and I think he`s in complete denial. He`s out of control every day.
PINSKY: That`s interesting.
He`s out of control and he`s giving us more every day, which is a sign of this rolling out of control.
But, Jillian, if they have to, you know, gloss it with some sort of euphemism, Tom, I mean, come on, can`t they just say, is there really a shame about getting treatment? And as you said earlier, just going to rehab down here is a generic for I`m taking care of myself.
GREEN: I think these same people have sympathy for Rob Ford because we see ourselves. Everybody goes on and has a drink now and then. I mean, look at Matt Lauer, it looks like he`s been on a binge as well.
PINSKY: Tom makes his own beer.
GREEN: I do. It`s available in Ontario, eh?
BARBERIE: And is it stronger? That`s the most important question.
PINSKY: I think Wendy has made that point, I believe.
So, whenever Ford is asked about getting treatment. He turns the conversation over to weight loss, which to me is the most -- one of the more disturbing sort of places he could go with this. Look at this tape.
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LAUER: You`re not in any alcohol treatment program.
FORD: No. I`m not in alcohol --
LAUER: Nor any drug treatment program.
FORD: I have a weight issue. I`ve been training every day.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Exactly 330 pounds of fun.
LAUER: Have you ever been worried about him?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. His weight issue.
FORD: My problem is, it`s late night eating. I like ice cream late at night. I`ve got to cut that out and exercise.
I`m trying to lose some weight. I`m working out. I`m not perfect.
REPORTER: But why not see some addiction specialist just to make sure?
FORD: I`m not an addict.
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PINSKY: Tiffanie, what are going to do with that brother that keeps enabling?
HUTT: I need him to show me the ice cream.
HENRY: Yes, the ice cream is kind of a powdery substance that we can, you know, maybe smoke or cook or do something else with.
I think, I can`t say anymore than what everybody else is saying. He`s in complete denial. And my concern is that he looks like he`s in that Charlie Sheen kind of downward spiral where at some point because of all the scrutiny, because all of this has happened, that he`s actually going to start using again.
PINSKY: And there`s that manic quality.
JILLIAN BARBERIE, @ASKJILLIAN: I want to mention that a lot of people are saying, you know, his approval rating is better than Obama`s, he`s a rock star there. I talked to my family in Canada last night, my sister and my mother. They say that, you now, he is a buffoon and people are looking at him as such.
And even, you know, the Toronto Argonauts, Tom, you`ll back me up on this, beloved sports team, CFL, they -- he has season tickets. He`s always going. He happened to be wearing an Argonaut jersey when he made the big comment about his wife`s private parts or the other ladies and then his -- and they said we don`t condone this behavior. We prefer you not attend the game.
PINSKY: He showed up anyway.
BARBERIE: Yes, of course, because he`s a rock star in his own mind, you know?
WENDY WALSH, PH.D., AUTHOR, "THE 30-DAY LOVE DETOX": He doesn`t care.
TOM GREEN, COMEDIAN: I just think there are so many cameras on this guy. There`s no way that he can avoid putting his foot in his mouth, you know, when you have this much pressure. Then you also throw in the fact that he is an alcoholic, presumably. He has a disease. You know, he has a problem. And there should be, perhaps, a little bit of empathy towards him. Maybe if the media would just back off the guy for a minute, maybe everything would just work itself out.
PINSKY: Well, it`s an interesting question. I don`t have that faith. Wendy.
WALSH: Dr. Drew, I want to say something about his eating disorder.
WALSH: It bothers me that he doesn`t consider this an addiction.
WALSH: And so, that tells me that his other addictive behaviors, he`s also minimizing them in some way.
PINSKY: Of course. Of course. Now, if anyone has a question for us or comment, tweet us @DrDrewHLN #behaviorbureau. Be sure to follow us on Instagram at D-R-D-R-E-W-HLN, @DrDrew.
Next up, George Zimmerman back before a judge after allegedly pointing a shotgun at his girlfriend. We will break down yet another brush with the law -- I`m not sure this is just a brush. This is a real problem with the law. And we have the man who bailed him out of jail with us to explain what is going on from his perspective after this.
PINSKY: Welcome back. George Zimmerman out of jail tonight after posting $9,000 bond. He is charged with assault and domestic battery. His girlfriend, Samantha Scheibe claims Zimmerman threatened her with a shotgun. He denies it. It all played out in a bizarre he said/she said 911 call. Have a listen.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: George Zimmerman arrested again.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He`s in my house, breaking all my (EXPLETIVE DELETED) I asked him to leave.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My girlfriend has, for lack of a better word, gone crazy on me.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You put your gun in my freaking face.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s been alleged that there was a domestic violence related aggravated assault with a deadly weapon.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Felony aggravated assault, domestic violence battery and criminal mischief.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When deputies arrived at that home, they pushed the door open which, by the way, was blocked by several pieces of smaller furniture.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They found Zimmerman inside unarmed, his demeanor described as passive.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So, why are you calling? What happened?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I just want everyone to know the truth.
PINSKY: Back with us, Lynn, Segun, Anahita, and Dean. And Anahita, I want to get a comment from you, first. We just heard Zimmerman from making his own 911 call that he knows darn well it`s going to be reported in the media, and you told me in the green room that you would actually advise him to do something like that.
ANAHITA SEDAGHATFAR, @ANAHITASEDA: Absolutely, Dr. Drew. I stand by that. Can you blame him? He knew that his girlfriend or ex-girlfriend`s 911 call was going to be played all over the media. It was. And this was his chance to kind of get his story out. And, to be honest with you, Dr. Drew, I actually feel and I fear, I should say, that he is being targeted by people in his life for them to get their 15 minutes of fame.
SEGUN ODUOLOWU, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: What?
PINSKY: Hold on.
SEDAGHATFAR: Yes. You cannot deny that he has been under a microscope since his acquittal in the Trayvon Martin case and again acquittal. He was acquitted of the murder two charge. We had the incident a couple months ago with his wife, admitted perjurer, accusing him of the same thing. The police investigated. They found absolutely no evidence corroborating any of those allegations.
SEDAGHATFAR: Dr. Drew, she gave that press conference.
PINSKY: But Lynn, Lynn, help me out here. Yet, we all run uncomfortable, because things keep happening. Why doesn`t he just lay low?
LYNN BERRY, HLN HOST: I will happily help you out with this one. Shellie Zimmerman said herself that she was worried about going forward with any charges because she is on probation for those perjury charges and any involvement would force her to be thrown back into some dangerous situation.
Listen, I don`t think -- was a girlfriend, now I`m thinking an ex- girlfriend, would ever in a million years wanted to be put in a position where she`s making a 911 call when she was forced out of her house. There was furniture put up against the wall. She alleged that there was a shotgun put in her face. She said that a week ago that he choked her.
She didn`t report that to police. This doesn`t sound like, I want my 15 minutes of fame. This was a girl that really didn`t even want her name out there. But can I also make the point that he was served his divorce papers in jail. That tells me that Shellie Zimmerman had no idea where this guy was --
PINSKY: I`ve got somebody I want to bring in to this conversation. Frank Taaffe is with us. He is, of course, George Zimmerman`s friend and supporter, unyielding supporter. He`s the one who posted bond for Zimmerman today. Frank, you`ve always defended George. You heard what Anahita said about him being targeted. Are you making the same case?
VOICE OF FRANK TAAFFE, FRIEND OF GEORGE ZIMMERMAN: I totally agree with her. I believe that he`s being oppressed by the press. And you know what, everybody needs to go back to decaf again, Dr. Drew. Let`s all take a deep breath. All right? And, you know what? George has been traumatized. OK?
JENNY HUTT, ATTORNEY: Oh, come on.
TAAFFE: Hold on. Let he finish, please. He took the life of another human being. George is a very deeply religious and spiritual person. And he`s been traumatized through all this just like everybody else has. And I believe that he`s suffering from untreated PTSD. He has a lot of dissociative behavior.
PINSKY: Why don`t you get him treated?
TAAFFE: Why don`t I get him treated?
PINSKY: Yes. You got him bailed out. Let`s get him to somebody. I mean, direct him to somebody, right?
TAAFFE: I have reached out on many occasions, and I believe that he`s suffering from PTSD.
PINSKY: I hear you. And if that`s true, he deserves treatment. Segun, you had a very powerful reaction. I was sort of saving you here. Go ahead, Segun.
ODUOLOWU: Yes. I just want to take my glasses off so everybody out there, and with all due respect to his friend and Anahita. There`s not enough venom in all the snakes in all the world for what I feel for this guy. We talked about bullies on the show. This man murdered, OK, however you want to describe it, took the life of a teenager who`ll never, ever experience another light of day. He habitually is beating up women that he`s stronger than.
TAAFFE: These behaviors are being manifested by the untreated post- traumatic stress.
SEDAGHATFAR: -- the mob mentality. He is not perpetually beating women, because you know why? It hasn`t been proven in a court of law.
ODUOLOWU: Let me ask you this. Let me ask you this.
TAAFFE: Hey, everybody take a deep breath.
ODUOLOWU: I`m really calm, but I dislike murderers. OK? And I`m really calm and I dislike wife beaters.
TAAFFE: Let`s look at the facts in the case. There was a young man who was killed that night, and George has gone through the trial of anybody`s life, of ten lifetimes. And then all of a sudden, his wife comes out and says he beat me. If you listen to the renditions, they almost mimic each other.
They`re on the phone, and they`re doing a play-by-play scenario. He`s breaking the glass, he stole my iPad, he punched my father.
PINSKY: OK. Frank, hold on -- and panel`s got to be quiet for one second. I want the camera on me for a second. And Frank, you can be up in the corner here (INAUDIBLE) with me.
PINSKY: Here`s my deal, my friend, is I have deep sympathy if he has posttraumatic stress disorder that he is someone who needs treatment if, indeed, that is true. However, I am ruthless when it comes to people that don`t get treatment and as a result of the lack of treatment, they harm other people. So please, Frank, get your friend some if that`s true, OK?
TAAFFE: I`ll do that, Dr. Drew.
PINSKY: All right. Thank you very much. Thank you, Frank. We`re going to excuse him.
We`re going to get another panel in here. We`re going to look at from a behavior panel why George Zimmerman cannot stay out of trouble. They will, hopefully, have some answers here. Maybe they agree, he has posttraumatic stress disorder. We will discuss.
Later, fast food freak out. A woman goes ballistic at a McDonald`s, because, well, you can understand, there`s no McNuggets at that time of day. Interestingly, many of our panel members who were in the green room we`re talking about -- I think it was Jillian was talking about not being able to get a Big Mac at a certain time of day. Very upsetting for her. We`ll be back after this.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He`s in my house breaking all my (EXPLETIVE DELETED) because I asked him to leave. He has a freaking gun, breaking all my stuff right now. No, this is not -- I`m doing this again? You just broke my glass table. You just broke my sunglasses and you put your gun in my freaking face and told me to get the (EXPLETIVE DELETED) out. This is not your house. No, get out of here.
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PINSKY: Welcome back. Jenny and I are discussing George Zimmerman who was bailed out of jail a few hours ago by Frank Taaffe. His girlfriend, Zimmerman`s girlfriend, claimed he threatened her with the gun.
Let`s bring the "Behavior Bureau," Tiffanie, Wendy, and Jillian. OK. Now, you heard -- I`m going to put up a tweet here for you guys. You heard that last segment we were talking about PTSD. This tweet is from Crystal Freeman says, "I love you, but today`s show seems very one-sided. You`re a doctor. You know the PTSD is a strong possibility.
Does anyone of my panel think that is, indeed, factual?
BARBERIE: I think there`s one victim here. His name is Trayvon Martin. George Zimmerman, he jumped -- you know, they told him on the phone that night when he called 911, step back, step off, this is not your duty to go. He went full in. He knew what he was doing. He was out for blood. That is the victim. I do not feel sorry for this guy one bit. He got away with murder. He should just go away, shut up, lay low.
PINSKY: I`m going to put up another tweet. This one, if you guys would put it up on panel on the television for me I would appreciate it. It says "Agreed, Ellen (ph). He has PTSD my butt. He has more like a personality disorder or an aggression problem."
PINSKY: OK. Tiffanie, you first. Tiffanie.
HENRY: So, here`s the thing. I think that actually, Frank Taaffe was right about one thing. Under the diagnostic criteria for borderline personality disorder, the last little criteria says something about stress- related dissociative symptoms. So, I`m pretty convince that maybe he does have that, because along with that particular criteria, there`s also the suicidal gestures to keep someone close to you.
There`s also the anger outbursts. There`s also the liability of mood, all of these different swings, there`s the posturing, the gesturing, all of these things that we`ve seen, the reckless behavior, even impulsivity, which in addition, is the binge eating, a lot of the eating and the stuff that he`s been going through. Borderline personality disorder actually fits for him and that also -- and fits with what Frank Taaffe says.
PINSKY: Wendy, if you take it back to Jodi Arias, remember DeMarte had those same criteria up there for Jodi --
WALSH: Exactly. Now, I do think -- at the very least he has an anger management issue. He may probably does have a personality disorder as well. I don`t want to define any (INAUDIBLE) without really analyzing him, but that doesn`t discount the fact that -- it doesn`t preclude the fact that he might also have PTSD. In other words, the whole mess could be going on.
PINSKY: And by the way, PTSD and borderline overlap. So, Jenny, go ahead.
HUTT: All right. But Dr. Drew, what you just said before when the camera was on you was correct. That it`s irresponsible that he`s not getting help. If he has PTSD, if he`s having anger issues, he already killed someone -- get help!
PINSKY: That`s right. Listen, every day -- again, I want the camera getting here. Every day on this, on CNN, HLN, we`re reporting people using guns and doing terrible things because they got either inadequate mental health services, didn`t access mental health services or doctors couldn`t do their job delivering mental health services, it all ends up bad.
BARBERIE: And Dr. Drew, those are people who have, you know, gotten away with murder. This guy got away. He`s murdered somebody. And so, now, when he waves a gun in a girl`s face, he`s thinking what`s the big -- you know, I got away with murder before. This is nothing.
PINSKY: All right. Next, we`re going to look at a new kind of meltdown. Thank goodness, this one didn`t include the use of a firearm because you would see where that would have gone very bad if it did. At the drive through window at McDonald`s, you`re going to see this viral video and it`s all about chicken McNuggets. Back after this.
PINSKY: Back with Jenny and our "Behavior Bureau." It`s Tiffanie, Tom, and Jillian.
An Ohio woman wanted chicken McNuggets at 6:20 in the morning, ladies and gentlemen. The problem is, not on the morning menu. So, here we go. This is surveillance video and the woman was not happy. You guys at the panel, please go ahead and react as we watch this video. This woman actually gets out of her car and assaults the poor -- you know, the guy at the McDonald`s window -- poor, you know, high school kid.
BARBERIE: I`ve been there. I mean, not in that capacity, but I wanted a Big Mac every day at 10:30 when I was pregnant with my son. I craved the Big Mac, and I would get off the morning show --
PINSKY: You didn`t do this? You didn`t bust the window --
BARBERIE: But I would wait in line and they would say to me we`re still serving breakfast and I`d say that`s OK, I`ll be in that little silver car over there waiting for my Big Mac. But --
BARBERIE: -- I used to work at Burger King, and I had people come through and throw things at me back in Canada. Everyone thinks the Canadians are so polite and everyone`s always sorry, but there were some angry people when they`re hungry or drunk, look out.
PINSKY: Tom, I know you`ve never behaved like this at a fast food restaurant, have you?
GREEN: Well, no, absolutely not. I worked at Dairy Queen, though, in Canada.
GREEN: Yes. I can make a peanut buster parfait like they --
GREEN: This woman here, this woman, this unfortunate woman is a victim of the video surveillance society.
PINSKY: -- Rob Ford was victim of. Same thing. She and Rob Ford should get together, right?
GREEN: You know, I just think what is going on here, Dr. Drew, is now with video cameras on everything, the harsh light of the truth is shining upon all of us. Human beings can`t hide anymore.
GREEN: We freak out when we can`t get our chicken nuggets. That`s what it is.
BARBERIE: Was she arrested -- exactly. This is actually a commercial for McDonald`s. Not so bad she wanted her nuggets, but she was arrested.
PINSKY: She was indicted on one count of vandalism, sentenced to 60 days of jail, had to pay $1,500 -- there she is. Now, Tiffanie, you and I know that this is -- I believe she even told the police that she was intoxicated at the time.
HENRY: She had to be.
PINSKY: Right. I see a lot of alcohol, maybe a little meth in there, and you get these kinds of behaviors.
HENRY: Do bath salts cause the munchies? Because one of the things she said in this interview was she wanted to eat their face. Like if they didn`t get chicken McNuggets, she would settle for the face. I have never craved chicken McNuggets that bad. I`ve craved some strange things at strange times, but never have I craved chicken --
PINSKY: Jenny apparently has tried to eat someone`s face off or something, right, Jenny? What happened to you?
HUTT: No, no. I`ve never tried to eat somebody`s face off, Dr. Drew, but I did just last week have a quasi-altercation in an Apple store. I did get kind of angry with one of the helpful people there. And then I made amends the next day and brought him brownies.
BARBERIE: See, you didn`t smash that window. And by the way, that was like super human power her to smash that window.
PINSKY: But Jillian I know -- maybe the meth or the bath salts, but Jenny -- Jillian, I know what a good investigative reporter you are. Maybe you could find that Apple video of Jenny losing it and we can present that on tomorrow night show, perhaps --
BARBERIE: Is there a video?
PINSKY: We`ll find out. But first, "Last Call" coming up.
PINSKY: Well, now, today the "Last Call" goes to Jenny Hutt and her tweet. Well done, Jenny. Let`s put that right up there. And she wants to know, "Please define obfuscate. For those who may not know, hash tag could be me." Could be Jenny does (ph) know. Well, obfuscate is a classic strategy of alcoholic and addicts, and it means to render obscure, unclear or unintelligible. In other words, to blow smoke.
The other word, I`ll start using maybe tomorrow which is dissembling which is concealing one trues (ph) motives, feelings, or mood (ph). They dissemble, they obfuscate, they lie, they manipulate. All strategies the mayor seems to be deploying, yes?
HUTT: Yes. We use it a lot on this show, that word, Dr. Drew.
PINSKY: Thank you, guys. "What Would You Do?" starts right now.