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Aired November 29, 2013 - 08:30 ET
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JOEY JACKSON, HLN LEGAL ANALYST: For in this case --
DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR: Can I jump in?
JACKSON: Of course.
LEMON: Because I just said stand your ground. Stand your ground, the way you - it's interpreted differently by different jurors and it depends on the jury instructions. It's so nebulous.
JACKSON: It really is.
JACKSON: As are many jury instructions.
JACKSON: But, remember, stand your ground gives you immunity from prosecution, right?
JACKSON: Immunity from prosecution, immunity from any civil liability, whereas classic self-defense allows you -
JACKSON: To use self-defense to justify what your action was.
LEMON: Let's take it forward then. How does she - how is she released? How does she get out of jail?
JACKSON: Well, what happened is, is that based upon the judge saying you get a new trial, the jury instructions were erroneous, she's entitled to her release until her new trial, which is on March 31st. It's supposed to start up (ph) next year.
Now, what you would hope is that Angela Corey, is the lead prosecutor here, will see that there may be wisdom in just letting there be a plea deal here. And it should also be noted that she was offered three years instead of, right, and say, look, don't go to trial, we'll give you three years. She said no. As a result, she'd been in for about 1,000 days now, more than three years, and will say - LEMON: Yes.
MICHAELA PEREIRA, CNN ANCHOR: Why is this story one that is -- there's such a public outcry about this story. Why do you think that is, Joey? You've seen a lot of these.
JACKSON: I think, you know what it is, Michaela, I - absolutely. I think a lot has to do with the Zimmerman case, the Zimmerman verdict and I think -
PEREIRA: The fact they're even aware of stand your ground.
LEMON: Of stand your ground.
JACKSON: Sure. Absolutely. And I think that there's a feeling of an injustice here where you have one person who - there's a person dead and he was acquitted, I understand how the system operates and works, but he's acquitted, someone's dead, she fires a warning shot, she's in jail for 20 years. Where's the justice in that?
PEREIRA: And nobody died.
LEMON: But it's also a woman. It's also a woman who claimed abuse.
LEMON: And then her husband -- you know what - you know what I'm saying?
JACKSON: Oh, absolutely, Don.
LEMON: And so that's part of -- that's part of the thing. And then there's this political angle, of course, as well here.
JACKSON: Yes. And the domestic abuse, I mean, it was real. You know, during the course of the initial trial, in fact it was an expert that testified about battered women's syndrome. The jury didn't buy it, though. She was convicted in 12 minutes.
LEMON: Yes, what's --
JACKSON: Yes, it's amazing. And --
LEMON: Was her defense just that bad? I mean I hate to say that, or was her case just not solid? She didn't have a solid case?
JACKSON: You know, different minds, Don, can differ on what ultimately happened. But if you look at it, 12 minutes, it sounds like it could be pretty compelling evidence.
JACKSON: And so you would only hope that wise minds prevail.
LEMON: Yes. JACKSON: Maybe there is a plea deal and she goes and lives a very fruitful life. She does have children. You know, we certainly wish her well.
PEREIRA: So a new trial in March. CNN will be watching that. It will be very interesting to see how that plays out.
JACKSON: Oh, 100 percent.
PEREIRA: All right, Joey Jackson --
LEMON: Your vest looks a little tight today, by the way.
JACKSON: Yes, because of that turkey.
PEREIRA: Wow. Wow.
LEMON: It's like (ph) on the set of "NEW DAY" this morning.
JACKSON: That's right.
PEREIRA: Judgey McJudy (ph). Wow.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Savvy, savvy.
JACKSON: Judge Don. That's a good one though.
PEREIRA: It's good to see you, Joey. Thanks so much.
JACKSON: Thank you. Thank you.
PEREIRA: That's hilarious. I think it was because of the Twitter comments on your jacket, which I think is solid.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why is yours unbuttoned, Don?
PEREIRA: That's a (INAUDIBLE).
LEMON: Wait a minute, hold on.
PEREIRA: Can you hold it as we go to break?
Coming up on "NEW DAY", you might actually want to hold off on some of your holiday shopping. There could be better deals after this weekend. We will explore the best times to get your gifts.
LEMON: And a treat for us at NEW DAY. The one and only Orlando Bloom joining us to talk about the Broadway debut -- his Broadway debut. Hear what he has to say about "Romeo and Juliet" after this.
PEREIRA: Are you going to comment on his vest too?
LEMON: Romeo, Romeo -- look at that vest.
PEREIRA: A little Max Moore (ph) to getting Friday started and a little dancing with my guys on the set. Not a bad Friday.
Welcome back to "NEW DAY".
One hundred and forty million of you are expected to drop some dough this Black Friday weekend. That's according to the National Retail Federation. The big question though is, and we want to talk to you rationally here, should you buy now -- somewhat rationally -- or should you wait to see if better discounts come along? So we put the question to Brett Larson, host of "TechBytes," to test our shopping expertise.
This is a real concern.
BRETT LARSON, HOST, "TECHBYTES": This - it is. It's totally valid.
PEREIRA: I often get buyer's remorse.
PEREIRA: So let's walk us through this and see.
PEREIRA: We're going to start with -- you're going to be our game master. We have props.
LARSON: I've got signs.
PEREIRA: Now or later.
LEMON: Mine says mon (ph), as in Monday.
PEREIRA: Turn it upside down.
LEMON: Oh, I'm sorry.
PEREIRA: Yes, we know.
LARSON: We have to get - we have to get Don like a special app for his phone to help him spell.
LARSON: A see and spell.
PEREIRA: Buy or wait. Do you want - give us the list you have.
LARSON: All right, we've got the list. So we're going to start with clothes. Everybody likes clothes. We saw those shoppers rushing the mall to get -
LARSON: You know, 25 percent off, doorbuster savings on packets of socks. Do you buy those now or later? What do you guys say?
LEMON: Packets of socks, I say --
LARSON: Yes, you are correct.
LARSON: Now is the answer.
PEREIRA: Oh, I got it. High five. High five.
LARSON: That stuff's not getting any cheaper. And --
PEREIRA: You going to leave me hanging?
LEMON: Oh, sorry.
PEREIRA: Are you keeping score?
LEMON: I'm keeping score.
PEREIRA: Oh my goodness.
LARSON: And they're just - they just use that as an excuse to get you into the store.
PEREIRA: He's keeping score.
LARSON: OK, this is a good one because this is what everyone wants to know.
LARSON: Electronic device. Home entertainment. New TVs. Blu-ray players. I'm trying to think of what - that kind of stuff.
PEREIRA: The Canadian judge says - you're cheating.
LEMON: No, no, no, no.
LARSON: Are you looking at things.
LEMON: No, I'm not.
PEREIRA: He's looking at my - LEMON: I'm not.
PEREIRA: It is later.
LARSON: Yes, it is later. It's going to get cheaper.
PEREIRA: So how much later?
LARSON: You know, probably we could wait until next week with Cyber Monday.
LARSON: We could wait a little bit later where they're going to be like, all right, now it's free shipping or now it's 25 percent off even more.
LEMON: I was right from the beginning. What does that say?
LARSON: You were, Monday.
LEMON: It says mon, wait till Monday.
LARSON: Also, consumer electronics show is the beginning of January.
LARSON: So the retailers, towards -
LARSON: As the year goes on, they want that stuff out.
PEREIRA: They want the old models out so the new models can have a place on the shelf.
LARSON: They want the old models out.
LEMON: Right. All right.
LARSON: So you can -- you can wait a little bit on that.
PEREIRA: All right, next up.
LARSON: Let's talk about toys. You know, the Elmo doll, the Leapfrog, the Cabbage Patch Kids, I don't know, are those still a thing?
PEREIRA: See, I think he's looking at my work, so I'm going to let him vote now.
LARSON: Oh, interesting. OK. We have a tie. You actually should get that stuff now.
LEMON: Oh. I said later. No, we don't have a tie. She said now.
LARSON: Because what's going to happen is, it's going to run - everybody's going to run out.
LEMON: Did you got one wrong before?
LARSON: And you don't want to be - you don't want to be that parent.
LEMON: You got all of them right?
PEREIRA: "A" student.
PEREIRA: Next up.
LARSON: Because the parents are going to be, you know, if that stuff sells out and your kid wants -
LEMON: "A plus."
Well, I thought about that, that you'd want it for Christmas.
LEMON: But isn't it actually cheaper later? No?
LARSON: No, because they're going to run out of it.
PEREIRA: That's the problem.
LARSON: It's like if Toys "R" Us has 100 dolls -
LEMON: Wow -
PEREIRA: And then there's a frenzy -
PEREIRA: And then you have to go to eBay.
LARSON: And it's the thing.
PEREIRA: Right. Right.
LARSON: You're going to be that parent on eBay at midnight clicking refresh.
PEREIRA: What is the thing this year?
LEMON: Is Cabbage Patch still a thing?
LARSON: No, it's not a thing. I don't know. Is it I thing? I don't -
PEREIRA: The '80s called. They'd like (INAUDIBLE).
LARSON: Portable electronic device, cell phones, digital cameras, the Walkman.
PEREIRA: Hand-held devices.
LARSON: IPhones, cell phones. You say later. Really?
LARSON: You're both wrong.
LARSON: Get that stuff now. It's not getting any cheaper.
PEREIRA: It's not going to get any cheaper?
LARSON: No, it's not going to get any cheaper.
PEREIRA: This is it?
LARSON: The refresh cycle on all this stuff, on tablets, on laptops, on cell phones -
PEREIRA: Once they're made, they're made.
LARSON: It's done. They do it around the August/September time so they can hit the back to school rush.
PEREIRA: Clearly someone over here needs some more personal hand-held gadgets.
LEMON: I do not.
LARSON: So what's going on? You know, there's a place in the city we can take one of those to and get it fixed.
LEMON: I know. I had two and then work got another one. I'm supposed to turn this one in and this one isn't working right. Three iPhones.
LARSON: You've got Band-Aids on your fingers from that iPhone?
PEREIRA: And there's also a support group for people who can't disconnect that we might sign you up for.
LARSON: I know, right. Call me on my cell phone. Which one? I don't know.
PEREIRA: So hopefully you learned some things.
PEREIRA: Shop with Michaela, not Don. LEMON: Right.
PEREIRA: Always ask Brett Larson when to go.
LARSON: When to go.
PEREIRA: And there are certain things that you can - oh, is there one more?
LARSON: Yes. Well, there is gaming systems.
PEREIRA: Oh. Are you a gamer? You are a gamer, aren't you? No.
LEMON: Not really.
LARSON: This is a - this is a good one because it's tricky.
PEREIRA: OK, I was going to go with the same as what I did last time, so I'm going to --
LARSON: You're going to say now? You're going to say later?
This one actually big -- this is the big reveal. It doesn't matter, because they all just got updated.
LEMON: Oh, we both get a point.
LARSON: We got the PlayStation 4 -
LEMON: You have four points, I have three.
LARSON: We got the xBox1, we've got the Wii 3D, they're all brand new. They're not getting any cheaper.
PEREIRA: Those prices stay consistent.
LARSON: Yes. Because they've got the rush now. The only way you're going to get something like that cheaper is if it's like one of those come in the store, everybody gets 10 percent off.
LEMON: We've got to go -
PEREIRA: I have one surprise one.
LEMON: But I think you can go on eBay afterwards and get them cheaper. That's what I --
PEREIRA: How about plaid jacket?
LARSON: Why don't we move Christmas to the 30th?
LARSON: I like the plaid jacket. PEREIRA: Me too.
LEMON: Parton (ph).
PEREIRA: You want to see our "Good Stuff" today. Will you stick around?
LARSON: Yes, I will.
PEREIRA: This is one of our favorite moments in the show. I want to introduce you to Noah Fisher from South Carolina. Four years old. Adorable, if I do say so myself. Look at the fella. He needs to wear glasses. His response, though, was devastating.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I said, put your glasses on, and he just broke into tears. And, yes, it was the saddest thing. It just broke my heart. And I finally got him to tell me why he was crying, and he said because everyone was going to laugh at him.
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LEMON: No way.
PEREIRA: Mrs. Fisher, mama said, I need to do something to get my baby feeling better about life with glasses and turned to the interweb. She started a Facebook page called "Glasses for Noah," urging folks to show him just how cool glasses could be. The response has been overwhelming. More than 1,600 people liking the page. Hundreds of them posting pictures of themselves wearing glasses, along with words of encouragement. We're told that Noah is now getting used to the glasses and that the warm words from total strangers are pouring in and making him feel better.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don't know how many more likes or pictures we'll get, but as long as I'm getting pictures, I'll keep showing them to him every night.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you for all the pictures.
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PEREIRA: Oh, kiddo, you're doing great. I am so proud of you. I have glasses, but I didn't wear them. What's that?
LEMON: Go to his page now.
PEREIRA: Now and hit "like."
LEMON: Please do.
LARSON: Right. That's good stuff.
PEREIRA: Noah, we support you and you look fantastic with your spectacles on.
PEREIRA: Striking. Striking, my dear. That's the "Good Stuff" for today.
LEMON: Thank you.
LARSON: That is good stuff.
LEMON: Thank you, Brett Larson. (INAUDIBLE).
PEREIRA: Oh, wait, were we going to show that picture? OK. I'm going to show this. I can't believe we're going to do this. This is - this was not cool. That was me when I was a Girl Scout.
LEMON: Is this you?
PEREIRA: In Canada we call them Girl Guides.
LEMON: I was going to say, who is that boy.
PEREIRA: That's me. Oh. You would have teased me in school. But there you go. Wow.
LARSON: I would not have.
LARSON: I probably would have been your friend.
PEREIRA: I wore glasses and that's why I wear contacts.
LEMON: And you laughed at my jacket.
LARSON: Me too. I wore glasses till a couple of years ago.
PEREIRA: Did you have braces, too?
LARSON: Yes, twice.
PEREIRA: I -
LARSON: And the head gear.
LEMON: Moving on. Up next on NEW DAY -
PEREIRA: Thanks, Brett.
LEMON: Thank you very much.
Orlando Bloom tackles an iconic role. We're going to talk to him about his Broadway debut as the one and only Romeo.
PEREIRA: If you survive the break. That comment, you're going to get in trouble.
PEREIRA: Welcome back to "NEW DAY".
Orlando Bloom has starred in award-winning films, "The Lord of the Rings" "Pirates of the Caribbean". He's also in the upcoming "Hobbit" film but you can see him right now in his Broadway debut starring as the star-crossed lover Romeo in "Romeo and Juliet". And I'm the luckiest girl in the world because Orlando Bloom is sitting across from me. I can reach out and touch his knee but I shan't, I shan't, I shan't.
Good morning Darling. How are you?
ORLANDO BLOOM, ACTOR: How are you doing? Good morning.
PEREIRA: Broadway debut. It's hard for me to believe that is the case.
BLOOM: Yes, it is, especially with "Romeo and Juliet".
PEREIRA: I know.
BLOOM: It was hard for me to believe.
PEREIRA: Not bad out of the gate.
BLOOM: Yes, it's been a remarkable, remarkable experience. We've got a couple of weeks left and we've had like 12,000 students through the doors taking advantage of our $20 tickets which is great. They do a special release early on in the run and for students to be able to get tickets so it's been an amazing experience. I have to say.
PEREIRA: Can we just geek out for a minute, how great was it seeing your name in lights on Broadway? That's a pretty big moment.
BLOOM: It's a huge moment.
PEREIRA: I'm sure you've had several pinch me moments throughout your career.
BLOOM: But that's a really -- it's a really special moment. It's -- you know, to be here in New York and I'm in love with the city now and the community of Broadway is a wonderful thing and I hadn't been prepared for it until I kind of became a part of it. It's really -- they really support one another. They feel like they're there for one another, you know. The different houses, the different productions and the actors see each other for drinks afterwards and they kind -- there's a hang out.
PEREIRA: Yes. BLOOM: It's not pretentious or uptight in any way. It's a very accessible world and real and you know, people know what they're doing. They're killing themselves in my case eight times a week literally killing myself as Romeo or absolutely killing themselves on Broadway, you know, in musicals which are exhausting.
PEREIRA: Well talk about that. Night after night when you do a run --
PEREIRA: -- I know that in film you often have to do several takes of one scene but redoing an entire production night after night it takes a certain something as an actor, doesn't it?
BLOOM: I've learned a lot. This is my first time and a Broadway audience I think is different to any other audience in the world.
PEREIRA: How so? The expectations higher?
BLOOM: There's absolutely that, but they really are engaged.
PEREIRA: That's true.
BLOOM: They're really there. They're really like the third wheel of production. If they're with us, we can have a performance that blows people away and if they're not, it's like --
BLOOM: Yes. So they really are, and you know, it's interesting how as a performer you have to be conscious of that work that you did in the rehearsal room and how yes, it develops but also you know, it's about keeping it for me playing the truth of the moment and of the word that goes on that people can connect to and not playing the audience which I think is something that could happen.
But in a way there's a little bit of that that goes on too --
BLOOM: -- which is kind of important, you know. So I've been learning a lot about that, which has been really rare.
PEREIRA: Good. Well, and that's what you want like to be is learning -- right?
BLOOM: And experience.
PEREIRA: And experience.
BLOOM: Yes. And a learning curve, yes.
PEREIRA: That's right. It's not just a job. BLOOM: No. Yes, exactly.
PEREIRA: So let's talk about not the job for a second. You've had tremendous good fortune getting to work with some of the greatest. You get Johnny Depp, "Pirates of the Caribbean" and a great franchise. And "Lord of the Rings" and Peter Jackson --
BLOOM: Yes, yes.
PEREIRA: -- again, not a bad deal and getting to reprise that role again.
BLOOM: Yes, it's amazing.
PEREIRA: How fun is that for you or is it a challenge especially when now this new "Hobbit" film is a prequel, you have to go back in time. Your character is what -- 60 years younger.
BLOOM: Yes, something like that which is in elven terms is nothing.
PEREIRA: It's nothing really -- yes.
BLOOM: But it's -- no, it's amazing. I mean I pinch myself daily at the good fortune of my life, you know, in many ways. I mean, Peter Jackson when he reached out to me and sort of like he gave me my opportunity in life so when he called about the "Hobbit", when we spoke about the "Hobbit" I was -- you know. He is a remarkable filmmaker and storyteller. He really -- you know, he really understands these worlds better than anyone and I know that he said to me that that this film, this next film of all the films even of the rings trilogy I think he's most excited about which --
BLOOM: -- to me is pretty big, quite a tall order because I thought, you know, it's exciting.
PEREIRA: So more from you on the stage can we expect over the next while.
BLOOM: I would love to, actually. I'm really -- yes I would love to, because I can see how as we were saying it really will inform the work I'll be able to do in film and you know, for me it's all about, you know, growing and getting better at what I do. And you know, and although I started with "Lord of the Rings" I was really 21, 22. And so in a way I have worked from these huge movies, you know, over the course of ten years, or more, you know, I still feel like very much like I'm kind of learning that craft in a way that I really love, you know.
BLOOM: I still really enjoy going to work and I'm not jaded by it in a way. I love the experience of getting to make film and creating characters, so. And theater is just it's an amazing medium. I feel real confidence in working on the stage. I did it when I was a child, so I suppose I feel like I've come home in a way --
PEREIRA: Come home in a way.
BLOOM: -- yes, come home a bit, picked up a thread and returned to something that I hadn't done for a while, so it's been amazing.
PEREIRA: Well, that's extraordinary. We cannot wait to see this. You can see Orlando Bloom starring in "Romeo and Juliet".
BLOOM: Just for another two weeks.
PEREIRA: Already for another two weeks people, you better get there. It's currently on Broadway. You can see his name on the marquee.
What a delight to speak with you today.
BLOOM: Thank you so much.
PEREIRA: Thank you so very much. And keep enjoying --
BLOOM: We have a wonderful cast as well. Condola Rashad is doing an amazing job.
PEREIRA: Oh can't wait. Cannot wait to see her as well.
BLOOM: Yes, yes, yes.
PEREIRA: All right.
BLOOM: Thank you.
PEREIRA: Back to you guys.
LEMON: Thanks, Michaela. Thanks, Orlando.
Coming up, CNN's big event a tribute to our heroes airs this weekend. A look at the unforgettable moments and the celebs who came out to show their support, that's next.
PEREIRA: Welcome back to "NEW DAY". You know what CNN is just days away from our big holiday tradition, a star-studded "CNN HEROES", this is an all-star tribute airing. It will air this Sunday 8:00 p.m. Eastern. Our way of honoring ten extraordinary people for whom serving others is a year-round gift.
Nischelle you have the behind the scenes view of the whole thing.
NISCHELLE TURNER, CNN ENTERTAINMENT CORRESPONDENT: Can't say it enough. Extraordinary people, great night, great cause. Here's a little behind the scenes look at what you can expect on Sunday. Take a look.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) TURNER (voice-over): It's that time of year again when giving back to others is in the air. Hosted by CNN's Anderson Cooper, this year's annual heroes event is packed with emotion.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank you so much.
TURNER: And unforgettable moments.
A night when Hollywood's brightest stars come together.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It kind of makes your jaw drop.
TURNER: To shine the spotlight on 10 remarkable people who are changing the world.
Like a great grandmother who used her life savings to turn a bus into a classroom.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE; Estella Pyfrom.
TURNER: And the woman who started a drill team to keep kids off the streets.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) Camden, New Jersey.
TURNER: Turning the tables on a traditional awards show.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm not the only hero in this room.
TURNER: CNN HEROES puts these everyday people center stage.
TURNER: It's a star-studded event with a few surprises -- and a heroic ending that you don't want to miss.
ANDERSON COOPER, CNN HOST "AC360": 2013 CNN Hero of the year --
TURNER: A night to gather together to celebrate the human spirit.
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TURNER: Can't tell you how much I love "CNN HEROES". Tune in to see Anderson Cooper and a host of celebrity presenters and performers salute all of our top ten honorees in "CNN HEROES AN ALL-STAR TRIBUTE". It is an evening that will inspire you. It's Sunday 8:00 p.m. Eastern you do not want to miss it.
PEREIRA: Appointment television.
LEMON: I didn't feel worthy enough sitting in the room with all those guys.
PEREIRA: You want to go out and do more with your life.
TURNER: And you feel like you need to.
PEREIRA: We want to say a big thank you to you for joining us on NEW DAY. We had a lot of fun today, hopefully you got some news as well because there was some craziness that started with this blazer. Nischelle, Don, Michaela, and Rosa -- I want to wish you a great -- and Rosa -- a great weekend.
It is time now for "NEWSROOM" with Carol Costello.
CAROL COSTELLO, CNN ANCHOR: Hey.
LEMON: Oh Carol. Speaking of Carol who's naughty.
LEMON: Carol and I on the set together because they're afraid of what will come out of our mouths. Carol -- am I lying?
PEREIRA: I understand your plight now, Carol.
COSTELLO: It could be dangerous. Have a great weekend. Thank you so much.
LEMON: You too.
COSTELLO: "NEWSROOM" starts now.
Happening now in the "NEWSROOM" --
-- chaos, confusion and clamoring. Oh, yes, your fellow Americans did not let you down on Black Friday. Fights, a stabbing and a shooting -- you've got to be kidding me.
Also, head of the pack.
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GOV. CHRIS CHRISTIE (R), NEW JERSEY: Maybe the folks at Washington, D.C., should tune in their TVs right now.
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COSTELLO: Breaking this morning, Chris Christie the GOP front-runner. Brand new CNN polling just out.
Plus a celebrity chef.
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NIGELLA LAWSON, CELEBRITY CHEF: There is for me just no bad way to eat bread.
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COSTELLO: -- a billionaire and allegations of cocaine use and cover ups. Brand new details just out of $100,000 lavish spending spree.