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Scare in the Air: Tuberculosis on Board?; Outrage: Pregnant Mom Hammers Stomach?
Aired December 2, 2013 - 21:00 ET
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DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST (voice-over): Tonight, a man with possible tuberculosis pulled off a crowded plane. Who is at risk? I will tell you.
And a pregnant woman about to give birth hits herself in the stomach with a claw hammer. Behavior bureau cannot wait to talk about this one.
And the tragic death of Paul Walker. Was this car to blame or his speed responsible for the loss of two lives?
Lets get started.
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PINSKY: Good evening, everybody.
My co-host is Sirius XM Jenny Hutt.
And coming up "Fast & Furious" star Paul Walker died this weekend in a fiery car accident. We have new information on this tragedy.
But, first, a man suspected of having tuberculosis got on a plane. No one, including the guy himself, the crew didn`t know until they were 30,000 feet in the air when they were notified more than 70 people potentially exposed. Take a look.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have been exposed to a person who has active tuberculosis.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A plane full of passengers got a scare after their plane landed.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: An uneventful flight home after spending the Thanksgiving weekend with family turning to panic.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One of the passengers tested for tuberculosis.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Passengers were told to get tuberculosis shots.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A flight attendant gave a man a few rows in front of him a mask and took him off the plane.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A few people were beginning to cover their nose and their mouth.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: According to the TSA, this gentleman got on the medical no fly list but it was halfway through the flight.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There was a young couple with a child. They were concerned about the child.
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PINSKY: As well they should be. The CDC downplayed the incident saying that, quote, "Even if the passenger had tuberculosis, the duration was so short there would be no risk of exposure to passengers. We will chew on that."
Joining us: Greg Grunberg, actor from "Big Ass Spider" on iTunes, and, of course, you know him from "Heroes". He`s also creator of the free mobile coupon app Yowza.
Greg, it`s a mouthful. I`m sorry, my friend. Yowza, download that Yowza and get the coupon app.
Lynn Berry, HLN anchor, Mark Eiglarsh, attorney from speaktomark.com, and Anahita Sedaghatfar, attorney.
Anahita, I`m going to give you first to react.
ANAHITA SEDAGHATFAR, ATTORNEY: Dr. Drew, is anyone shocked governmental agency dropped the ball here? Like that`s never happened before, right? Obamacare, but I digress.
I mean, the reality is, Dr. Drew, I`m not shocked there was a communication failure between the CDC and the TSA. I think we know from time to time these mistakes happen. I think that will be addressed at a later point in time. But I am more troubled by the fact this guy had the audacity, Dr. Drew, to get on a plane knowing he has TB, knowing that this is highly contagious, knowing it`s potentially deadly.
So I think he needs to be held accountable, God forbid, if any of these passengers get sick. He needs to be prosecuted just like we know the CDC probably will, if we find out that they knew that he was on this list and fail to disclose it in time. I think he definitely needs to be held accountable.
PINSKY: Mark, I think Anahita sees dollar signs here. I`m saying the guy didn`t know he had TB, his doctor working up a cough and very thoroughly, appropriately measured for the micro bacterium, which something that`s in the sputum. They found the results while they were in midair and got the information on the flight. I`m saying they did a pretty good job.
MARK EIGLARSH, ATTORNEY: Well, that was my take on it. She got all hot and bothered. Did I miss something reading the articles?
SEDAGHATFAR: I`m a hypochondriac.
EIGLARSH: I also, listen, I also like to give everybody the benefit of the doubt. I don`t think anybody did anything wrong until somebody can prove to me that either some agency knew, this individual knew. And also when they say chances are so low, so remote, it approaches almost no real value. Not their words, but mine. You know, when I`m not so worried.
PINSKY: Well, but Mark -- Jenny, I`ll let you respond to this. I know you have feelings about all this. The CDC is underplaying this. I first thought people were getting hysterical about this story, too. Then I heard CDC saying don`t worry about it.
It`s not a zero thing. It`s something people need to be concerned about.
JENNY HUTT, CO-HOST: I`ll say. TB, Dr. Drew? Come on.
First of all, I agree with Anahita, that this guy was nervy, that he was sick and coughing like that. I`ve been on an airplane where someone was coughing a ton and did not have TB. It`s not OK. It`s just -- wear a mask and frankly quarantine yourself.
LYNN BERRY, HLN ANCHOR: As a medical expert in this particular case, the CDC is downplaying it because they say you need to be exposed to it for longer or up to eight hours, longer than eight hours.
EIGLARSH: Well, there you go.
BERRY: And this was only a four-hour flight. So, they`re saying the chances of it happening is very, very slim. Is that true? Is it just a matter of --
PINSKY: It is sort of true. I mean, the fact is, only a certain percentage of people with active tuberculosis, which is a pulmonary disease, it`s a bacteria called microbacterium, that causes a severe infection, can be light threatening in some cases, and only a certain percentage will produce droplets that actually are contagious.
So, it`s not as though everyone with TB is contagious. Then, proximity is very important piece of this, too, so that people sitting around this guy I think really should be concerned because they are in a closed environment with poor circulation, in close proximity for a couple hours. I think those people need to be tested.
And, by the way, someone -- I think Robin is going to get a TB shot we heard with the video coming in. It`s not a TB shot. It`s a skin test for tuberculosis. All of them need one when they get off this plane and they need one to get them in about 12 weeks.
But, Greg, there are also children on the plane and children have a higher probability of contracting this.
GREG GRUNBERG, ACTOR: Right. I was going to say, there are children, there are the elderly, people that are susceptible maybe -- somebody is just about to get a cold, they are vulnerable at that moment.
But this happens anywhere. You get on an elevator, you get on a plane, you`re basically having sex with everybody on the plane. I mean, that air is circulating --
HUTT: Stop it.
PINSKY: Greg, I don`t know how you go but --
GRUNBERG: I just think. Look, the CDC --
PINSKY: Go ahead.
GRUNBERG: Someone messed up. I don`t know why they actually came out with this. I mean, this is after the plane went off. Take this to your grave. You messed up, now making it worse.
This happens. It`s all over the place. You`re going to catch a cold from somebody next to you in an elevator.
PINSKY: Lynn, what about that? Hang on, Anahita and Jenny.
Lynn, you tell us the facts on this. Why did they come out with this? Why are they making a deal? It`s a reasonable thing to make issue of, it seems to me.
BERRY: Well, it`s definitely something to make issue of. And, Anahita, you brought this up. It was the chain of communication that I think this calls into question apparently.
According to my research which I was looking into, the CDC notifies the Department of Health and Human Services, who notifies TSA, how notifies the airline. That`s a game of telephone. It`s very easy when you have millions and millions of people flying every single day for some ball to get dropped.
And there`s an obligation for doctors and CDC to be extremely diligent even if a possibility. I mean, you`re in that enclosed area, the possibility, even if he doesn`t have it. There is a moral obligation.
PINSKY: To calm Jenny down so she`s able to fly to Atlanta tomorrow, which I know she needs to do.
PINSKY: There`s only about 30 or so people, my understanding is, on the medical do not board list every year, I think. So, it`s a relatively small number of people even considered.
ANAHITA: Dr. Drew, what is the point of having -- Dr. Drew, what is the point of having that list, that do not fly list, if the people that are supposed to be on it are not on it. Call me a pessimist here, but I can`t imagine that he didn`t know. If this guy even suspected -- I mean, he was eventually tested for this. Why would he fly? Why would he put people`s lives at risk?
EIGLARSH: Wait a second.
PINSKY: Mark, go ahead.
EIGLARSH: I have a problem, two things. One, her suggesting that merely because he`s coughing, he should know he has a serious ailment.
SEDAGHATFAR: He was tested for TB, which shows me that he suspected he had.
PINSKY: It could be sub acute. It may be a thorough physician checking for this.
EIGLARSH: I`m more concerned with some of the movies they have exposed me to. Come on.
SEDAGHATFAR: That`s true. My parents make fun of me all the time for freaking out when people cough around me. Seriously, can you blame me? You hear stories like this.
EIGLARSH: Yes, I blame you.
SEDAGHATFAR: It freaks me out. I`m going to start wearing a mask. I`m going to start wearing a mask.
PINSKY: I will pick up, Anahita, where your parents have left off. I will assure you, I will continue to carry their crucible forward.
But listen to this, I had an experience with my own daughter that put a sharp edge on this for me. She was going back to school. She had a flight. She developed a severe febrile illness, clearly a contagious flu- like syndrome. I canceled her flight. The airline told me, too bad, you have to pay for it, just know, we have to pay for all the fees.
I said, look, I`m a physician. I`m going to write the letter that tells you she`s medically ill or I`ll have her see one of my peers. They`re like, it doesn`t matter.
I thought ,wow, thank God I can afford to make these changes, because if I couldn`t, I would be forcing this child onto the plane with a contagious illness, and that is being sort of mandated or at least muscled by the airplane.
I don`t think, Anahita, I back you on this. I`m not sure the airline is quite as on top of these things as they should be because they create forces, financial forces that urge people to fly anyway.
And, Greg, this might be one of those guys, hey, I can`t get my refund I`ve got to fly.
GRUNBERG: I agree. I mean, the thing that scares me. There`s so many people obviously that are flying. Who knows what else on that plane they had. The TSA is getting shot at in other cases, now they are going to worry about -- I didn`t know that there were as few as 30 people that are actually on this list for medical reasons.
But at the same time, the millions of people that fly especially during the holidays, you know, something like this is bound to slip through. Again, I just -- I question why they came out with it after the fact when it was actually -- we made a mistake.
PINSKY: I always try to learn about my panelist. I come away with some information about the panelist every time we do a panel. And today, I think we`ve all learned that Greg has sex with people on the elevators.
PINSKY: Everyone. That`s what we`ve learned.
GRUNBERG: Of course.
PINSKY: He`s concerned they come out with information about people he may be planning to have sex with. Is that what you`re saying, Greg?
GRUNBERG: That`s exactly what I`m saying. I don`t want to pee into a Petri dish every time I get on the plane.
Next up, a pregnant woman hits herself with a claw hammer. She apparently thought it was funny. And I warn you, it is rather disturbing video.
And later, the deaths of actor Paul -- the death of Paul Walker and his friend. We have some new information about that tragedy. We will discuss and we`ll be back right after this.
PINSKY: Back with Jenny. We now had to bring in the behavior bureau, Jenny, for this one.
And I`m warning the viewers, we`re about to look at some video that is rather graphic.
So, here you go. It`s a pregnant woman taking a claw hammer and smashing her baby through the abdominal wall with a claw hammer.
I first could not make sense of this, so we brought in our behavior girl, beginning with Tiffanie Davis Henry, psychotherapist, Samantha Schacher, host of "Pop Trigger" on Young Turks Network, Mike Catherwood, radio and television host, and my co-host on Love Lines", check your local listing, and also on iTunes as a podcast and -- Mike, by the way, is the one that showed me this video the first time so I will get his thoughts. And, finally, Wendy Walsh, author of "The 30 Day Love Detox."
All right. Now, the video was shot on iPhone by the 24-year-old woman`s ex-boyfriend just weeks before the due date. He reportedly showed the video to police and they did nothing.
Now, Mr. Catherwood, you showed me this video during our "Mike and Drew" podcast. I was stunned. I immediately wanted to put it on this show.
How did you find this? What did you think about it? What is going on here?
MIKE CATHERWOOD, RADIO HOST: Well, I have a six-month pregnant wife. So, I`m just saturated with a bunch of horrible Web sites about pregnant women, and I`m inundated with it by my wife. And I came across this video and I was blown away for many years.
Obviously, it`s very shocking, very disturbing. But I couldn`t believe she`s not American and didn`t happen in Florida or Bakersfield. This is a British woman. It blew my mind she would do this, be irresponsible in such an egregious fashion.
I then went on to find out they haven`t really done anything about it.
PINSKY: That`s kind of wild. That felt like Florida.
CATHERWOOD: I think that especially, when it comes to the livelihood of a child, this is where the government needs to step in and do something.
PINSKY: They do. But, Mike, they do. The fact is they do when it comes to smoking meth or drinking alcohol. That`s considered child abuse when you`re pregnant.
Wendy, the guy who shot the video said the mom told him, quote, "My baby is as hard as anything. Just watch this." She grabbed the steel claw hammer, banged her belly. He also said she punched herself because, quote, "she wanted the baby to come out."
Wendy, help me out here.
WENDY WALSH, PSYCHOLOGIST: OK. So, I think she was talking about her baby bump and the strength of her abdominal muscles and everything else and just trying to be cool. But where do we draw the line on pregnancy police? Women rollerblading on the boardwalk, are we going to stop them now? I mean, where is the line drawn? I`m doing this for fun videos, hitting it lightly. Everything over five seconds of video?
TIFFANIE DAVIS HENRY, HLN CONTRIBUTOR: Well, you know, she was 24 when -- she`s 24 now. She was between 23, 22 when this was done. Obviously, you know, my first thought was that she`s just not the brightest candle on the cake, right?
My second thought looking at this is that she`s very immature and has no attachment to her baby. That`s what boggles my mind, is that most women when they become pregnant, they are automatically becoming mothers. They`re nurturing. They`re thinking about everything they do, put on their body. She seems to have some sort of disconnect to it.
I understand she feels like her baby has super powers and has passed every developmental milestone. God bless her. Wonderful. Thank you. That your baby is smarter than everyone else`s but that is in spite of the fact she hit herself on the belly with the hammer.
SAMANTHA SCHACHER, POP TRIGGER: I was so furious -- hold on. I was so infuriated when I watched this video I wanted to take the same hammer and bop her on the head. This woman is an idiot.
And, Wendy, you just asked, how hard did she hit. According to one of the social workers who watched the footage, they said the force of a blow on a scale of one to ten was a five or six. She could have injured the baby. She could have displaced the placenta.
WALSH: I agree.
SCHACHER: At the end of the day, who -- what is she trying to prove, that she has a hard tummy? Like, really, lady, you`re willing to jeopardize the health of your child?
PINSKY: Jenny, I know you hit yourself when you were pregnant, a cinder block, hammer. Somebody that`s done this.
HUTT: Wendy, darling, this is not about pregnancy police. I`m going to go right back to what Tiffanie said, when we are pregnant -- certainly when I was pregnant, all I wanted to do was protect that belly. I wouldn`t wear shoes that I might trip in. I wouldn`t shower without my husband in the next room. I`m kind of co-dependent. I was crazy. I would eat the wrong thing.
I mean, that baby --
PINSKY: That sounds normal.
But, Mike, I`ve got an idea.
PINSKY: Maybe this -- you know how women get so upset about people coming and touching the baby bump, touching their abdomen. They`re very upset. I think it`s even illegal if you don`t ask somebody permission.
Maybe this is a weird re-enactment. She goes, if you`re going to be on me, I`m going to show you some sort of weird re-enactment.
CATHERWOOD: I`m blown away by it, because like I said, my wife is pregnant right now and she`s got a huge belly. If I even like tickle her a little bit too roughly, she gets really sensitive in that area. I can`t even speak too loudly around the belly because it`s so sensitive.
So, I don`t think it`s really about how hard she hit it with a hammer. Let me remind you, ladies over there, I don`t know how many have gone through this, but she`s hitting her belly with a hammer, which I could see tantamount to rollerblading. It`s right in the same category. And I don`t know --
WALSH: Let me see, if you fall down rollerblading, that baby is a goner.
CATHERWOOD: No, no, I was in agreement with you. I think anybody rollerblading deserves to be hit with a hammer because --
PINSKY: Listen, Mike wants to travel during the pregnancy, yelling at him about flying around and moving out of the country. I said he shouldn`t do it.
But, Wendy, let me go back to you. The fact is it`s possible the child`s head would be in that vicinity. I understand, we could probably get physicist to tell us that there`d be some absorption of that blow. But a baby`s head is soft.
She could have been hitting the child directly in the head, potentially. I don`t know what state of pregnancy it is. Sometimes the baby shifts around in there. Maybe it was twins. We don`t know.
But that to me is gravely concerning and egregiously un-motherly behavior in spite he of her claim the baby has super powers. She claims the baby has, quote, "superpowers", baby superpowers. He can read, walk, and talk.
Wendy, come on now.
WALSH: I agree with everything you`re saying, although this is past eight months with her and the baby`s head is probably safely down in her pelvis area.
WALSH: But I will say that -- but I do want to say something. I mean, who are we protecting here? We`re looking at a five-second video and becoming a lynch mob on this woman trying to protect every unborn baby out there, and yet there`s starving and abused babies people are not protecting.
So, all of a sudden, we`re going to go crazy over three seconds we think is something bad when there`s plenty of other babies who really need our help who are alive and well.
PINSKY: Hold it, everybody. Stop, stop. We will continue this in just a second.
And later, I will show you a dramatic rescue that saved a man`s life. This cop was just barely at work. He came upon this fire. What he did was really quite amazing.
We`ll be back right after this.
PINSKY: Back with Jenny and our behavior bureau, Tiffanie, Samantha, Mike and Wendy, discussing a young mom caught on video appearing to smack her pregnant belly with a claw hammer to show how hard her baby is and get him out or something.
The video was shot by the mom`s ex, the biological father. The mom claims her current boyfriend is the father. The current boyfriend denies that.
Mike, have you -- these guys, what do you make of it?
CATHERWOOD: Listen, I mean, especially me as a Californian. I`m accustomed to having the government step in and take away my rights to do something if I do everything even remotely irresponsible. Why can`t we go down there to wherever she lives and rip the teeth out of this toothless limey because she`s banging on her belly with a baby in it with a hammer. I mean, at some point, there has to be --
WALSH: That`s just as bad. That`s barbaric.
CATHERWOOD: It is incredibly barbaric. And I feel like at some point, like level head have to prevail and be able to step in and prevent her from maybe having more children, because at the end of the day, truly, she`s probably very ill. She`s an ill woman. And a lot of mentally disturbed people aren`t allowed to do certain things. I think being a parent should be one of them.
PINSKY: Hang on. That`s pretty heavy comment. We attempted to get a comment from the mom. We were unable before our show deadline.
When approached by local media, she would not discuss the video. But, Tiffanie, although I see -- excuse me, Sam, Wendy is very much concerned about what Mike was saying. I think you and Mike might have been separated at birth.
SCHACHER: Perhaps we have.
But as far as this woman, though, lets think about it, Dr. Drew. This was clearly careless of her. Clearly, she lacked judgment. So what other things is she doing that`s going to make her an unfit mother?
I don`t think she`s fit to be a mom. I definitely think she`s a whack job. She`s going on and on and on, saying that her baby is super human because gave birth to it in five minutes. I know why she gave birth in five minutes because the baby wanted to get the hell out of there.
CATHERWOOD: That`s a very good point.
PINSKY: Tiffanie, you`ve been quiet. The center part of my panel is going to extreme places, aren`t they?
HENRY: I`m disturbed by this video. Every time we show it, I cringe. And I feel like -- here is what I think, Dr. Drew, I think she`s young. I think she`s highly immature.
I just feel like once she gets to 30, hopefully, she will look back on this and say, damn, how stupid must I have been to do something like that. And I think, you know, on the one hand, I do agree with Wendy we`re rushing to judgment. She is young. She`s got a lot of growing up to do for sure.
I just hate we have to go through this. And seeing this video online hurts my heart because other kids who are young and pregnant may get online -- see this video and say oh my belly is just as hard. I can do the same thing. It`s not OK.
CATHERWOOD: Are we all under agreement that someone needs to give a seminar to the British on how a pinata works? I think they have got it completely wrong.
PINSKY: (INAUDIBLE) Mike, is what you`re saying?
CATHERWOOD: Yes, it was terrible, terrible form.
PINSKY: Real quick, Wendy, I`m going to put this tweet up for you. This is from one of our viewers (INAUDIBLE).
"I`m just stunned. The baby is innocent. I`m so glad the baby is fine but the mom isn`t. She needs help."
And, Wendy, interestingly as my panel gets more belligerent and extremist I`m coming to your point of view that people need treatment and education and that kind of thing and help being a parent once they crossed that line.
WALSH: Well, Dr. Drew, I also want to add one more thing. This video was leaked by her ex-boyfriend a year after the birth because he`s mad about something. It reminds me of revenge porn in that way. It`s kind of like, come on. What really went on? What happened before the video, after the video, how hard was the hit.
There`s so much information we don`t have. But yet there`s this guy dangling on the Internet and ruining her and her baby`s life.
HENRY: And my understanding of why it was released now, I think the ex or the young lady was accusing him of being abusive. He`s saying, hey, she`s the one that`s abusive. The other guy, her current boyfriend, is like, I want no part of it.
All of them are trifling, Dr. Drew, all of them.
CATHERWOOD: They are trifling.
HENRY: That`s a clinical term.
PINSKY: Jenny, shocking that there`s domestic violence -- there`s domestic violence in this relationship. I`m shocked.
HUTT: Listen, Dr. Drew, the whole thing is sick as far as I`m concerned. Thank goodness the baby is OK a year later.
SCHACHER: Thank God.
HUTT: But really, how is this even kind of OK on any level? I don`t want to give her a pass. I don`t know how hard exactly she whacked her belly with that hammer but she whacked her pregnant belly with a hammer!
PINSKY: Sam, what would you -- you have all these very young viewers on Pop Trigger. How would -- have you shown them this video? How do you think they would react to them? They did -- they react the way we`re reacting.
SCHACHER: Well, we haven`t talked about the video, but I have seen a lot of people discussing this on social media, and the reaction is more closer to that of Mike and I (ph) and Tiffanie. People are appalled. But you know what, even if you are 23, 24 years old and Tiffanie has suggested that, you know, perhaps, she`s immature, and she`s too young.
I know plenty of -- well, no. I know plenty of 17, 18-year-old, 19- year-old, 20, 21, 22, 23-year-old young women that have had babies and they would never even think twice to smack their stomach with a hammer. This woman has no maternal instinct whatsoever.
HENRY: -- because she seems to be very detached from the baby.
HENRY: And most pregnant women that we come in contact with are very, very much protective and would never think to do something like that.
PINSKY: As Mike said, his wife actually is some sort of radar that`s pulling in information from the universe. He`s not allowed to speak loudly around her belly, right, Mike? Thank you for exposing us to this video. I`ve had enough of it now.
CATHERWOOD: No problem.
PINSKY: OK. Thank you, guys. If you have a question or comment for the "Behavior Bureau," tweet us @DrDrewHLN #behaviorbureau.
Next up, Paul Walker`s tragic death. Really just, just a horrible accident. Lady Gaga, other celebrities, offering condolences, new information coming in about this.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: One of Hollywood`s most bankable stars, Paul Walker, who was made a name for himself in the "Fast & Furious" movie franchise died in a fiery car crash in Santa Clarita, California.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s nothing we tried. We went through fire extinguishers.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Walker`s love of speed both on and off the set was well-known.
PAUL WALKER, ACTOR: I bought a Nissan Skyline. I had it actually imported from Japan. So, steering wheel is on the right-hand side.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you a lead foot?
WALKER: Yes. I race it actually.
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PINSKY: Back with Jenny, Greg, Lynn, Mark, and Anahita. Actor, Paul Walker, survived by a 15-year-old daughter. This is a tragic story. Walker`s friend and business associate, Roger Rodas (ph), also died in the crash. Jenny, everyone who knew this man says he was -- they`ll say words like kind and down to earth, genuine. What are your thoughts?
JENNY HUTT, ATTORNEY: My thought is this is an incredible tragedy. Such a beautiful life cut short. And this guy, supposedly, he was in a jewelry store and he saw this young couple, a military couple, in the jewelry store and the guy wanted to buy a ring for his wife. And then, they found out it was $10,000, and he paid for the ring and sent them home with it just without knowing them. He was really a good soul. It`s incredibly just tragic.
GREG GRUNBERG, ACTOR, "BIG ASS SPIDER": Yes. This is bigger than, I think, the obvious just losing someone that we`re all familiar with. I did not know him. I know a lot of people that did. And, he`s the kind of person that we need. He didn`t -- you never heard about that story until now. You never heard about all the philanthropic, all the generous, you know, the charity work that he did.
He was so kind to so many people. I know students in Santa Barbara that would see him at a local place he would always take time. Just from, you know, talking to people, and we`re trying to make sense of this. I think, right now, we really -- this is what I`m going to take from it, we should try and live our lives like a guy like this lived his and use the celebrity, the recognition, the ability to help others and do good. Everything that`s coming out from this is good.
We`re trying to make sense of what happened. And, you know, the stories that you`re hearing, it`s so incredibly sad. That car -- I did a little research and found I`m a bit of a car guy myself, not like he was, but that car is not an easy car to drive. This is a race car for the streets. There are only a little over thousand made, most of them sold to, you know, outside the country. It`s a half million dollars to buy this car.
And it`s a tough car to control. The engine is in the back. The fire happened in the front, which leads you to believe that maybe there was a fuel -- not a fuel but a fluid leak. And if there was, they may have lost, you know, control of the car. All of this, you know, to try and make sense of it, doesn`t matter. Two beautiful people were lost, and we really need to take this from this and learn how they lived their lives and just take from it.
PINSKY: Now, some video has surfaced on YouTube. The "Los Angeles Times" report that the medical examiner, again, this is really sad piece of the story, really required dental records to positively identify the remains from this incredible incident. Lynn, do we have any of the latest information on the investigation?
LYNN BERRY, HLN HOST: Yes. I have to say, Dr. Drew, I`m glad you started with the memory of Paul Walker before we went to the latest of the investigation, because that`s what this is really all about. Even though a lot of people have questioned, how could this have possibly happened? And now, police are looking into the possibility that there may have been some sort of drag race going on between another car.
So, they`re talking to witnesses and they`re trying to figure out whether there`s any surveillance video, because keep in mind, they`re in an office parking lot. That is filled with surveillance cameras. You would imagine there would be some kind of video that they`re going to be able to get to find out if another car was involved.
And Greg, you mentioned it. The possibility that there may have been some sort of fluid leak. Apparently, a source told TMZ that there was fluid line that may indicate that this could have been steering fluid because the skid marks were straight. This was an experienced driver. If he had lost control of the car, there would have been skid marks that would have been back and forth.
I`m not talking about those skid marks right there. I`m talking about skid marks that where right by where the impact was. So, that means that he may not have had control of the steering wheel or access to the steering wheel, wasn`t working correctly, when the impact happened. So, they are looking into those things.
ANAHITA SEDAGHATFAR, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Yes. Dr. Drew, I am still in total shock. And I also knew some people that knew Paul very well. And by all accounts, he truly was a genuinely great guy. But what really struck me about this tragedy is that fact that he`s best known for his role in the "Fast & Furious" franchise and that movie was all about speed racing and drag racing and he admitted that he loves to race cars.
And I think on his Twitter handle, he identified himself as an adrenaline junkie. So, I just found that to be so eerie, so tragic. And, you know, a lot also, Dr. Drew, has been made about the movie, number seven, "Fast & Furious" 7, and whether or not they should release that movie. And, I think it`s so sad to say, but I think his death that`s going probably going to be the best publicity for this movie. And the producers are saying they are going to release it.
SEDAGHATFAR: He might have. Right.
PINSKY: Mark, take away from this. Mark?
MARK EIGLARSH, SPEAKTOMARK.COM: Yes. Drew, a couple of things come to mind. First, what really hit home with me was that the eight-year-old son of the driver, same age as my kids, actually hopped a fence and saw his father and Paul being burned to death and couldn`t do anything. So, my concern is that he doesn`t live life knowing -- you know, thinking erroneously that he could have done more.
And as it relates to Paul, you know, I`ve said that community service is the rent that we pay for the space that we take up on Earth. And it is commendable how much rent that he paid during his lifetime.
PINSKY: I was thinking something along those lines, too, Mark, that lives of meaning, somehow it`s satisfying that he had -- truly had a life of meaning as tragic as this is.
OK, now. Next up, we have a different story. This is a woman, a Norwegian woman, who shows a picture of her body just days after giving birth. And the picture, she`s touting her body as perfect merely days after birth. And the question is, good thing, bad thing? Back after this.
PINSKY: Back with Jenny, Mike, Lynn, and Sam. Now, a new story where mothers around the world outraged over a photo posted by a woman just days after having given birth. Here`s why. This is Caroline Burg Erickson (ph), a Norwegian woman, a fitness blogger in Norway. She had a baby girl on November 25th. The 26-year-old says she wanted to show women that pregnancy doesn`t have to ruin your body.
Tweets are coming in already, jenny. I`ll show you this one. It is from Lynn Noak (ph), if you guys could post that up there for me. She says, "Was it full turn? Who is nurturing the baby while she is all about body image at the gym?" The question is, do photos like this inspire or shame. Jenny, you first?
HUTT: OK. As somebody who`s never looked like that, never will look like that, I see it as don`t hate, congratulate. Listen, if she can look like that after she gave birth to presumably a baby girl, then good for her. I mean --
PINSKY: Good for her, but Lynn, are we perpetuating body image perfection? I know Mike is turned on by the photo.
PINSKY: My question though is, is it good for women -- he`s over there. Just keep to yourself, Mike, for a second -- but is it good for women generally that women who don`t measure up to that feel ashamed?
BERRY: Well, here`s the thing, it just creates confusion because women look at that and think that`s even possible. Those are genes. That`s not hitting the gym. She has good genes.
BERRY: And a lot of women get to a place in their life where they realize, I have two weeks step, I am always going to have cellulite on my ass. It is just what is going to happen. I`ve got to accept it. It is my genes. And I can do as many lunges and as many, you know, and I can be the skinniest I`m ever going to be and it`s going to be there. She doesn`t have that.
SCHACHER: This woman is also really well-known to be a fitness and health blogger. So, this is somebody that takes a lot of pride in presenting her best body possible and takes every measure as well and she likes to influence to other women and inspire other women that despite your circumstances, you can look and feel your best. That`s her brand. Would I post that picture? No. But that`s her brand. Let her do her. I`m with jenny.
PINSKY: So, we`re all sort of saying, Mike, I`m going to go to you now. Aside from your own personal biological responses to the photo -- the fact that you are a big proponent of stroll (ph) patrol, meaning --
CATHERWOOD: Taking care of yourself. That`s right, Drew. Yes.
PINSKY: Right. Even so, my question to you is -- I want you to go home and talk to your lovely wife, Bianca Kajlick, who is six months pregnant and ask how she feels about this, because women, they`re never more vulnerable when they`re pregnant. And this is a good thing for women? What do you think?
CATHERWOOD: Well, I don`t know, Dr. Drew. I`ll have to get back to you on that. It`s funny you brought up my wife, because she`s at work filming. When she gets home and sees the wallpaper of pictures of this young lady, this Norwegian lady that I put up all over the house, I`ll let you know exactly how she reacts.
CATHERWOOD: And I think, you know, these ladies brought up a good point. Sure, she`s well-known for being a fitness enthusiast, but a lot of it has to do with genetics. There`s many people who can work out all they want and die perfectly and never look like that. But --
PINSKY: And Jenny -- but what?
CATHERWOOD: But, I`m just saying that it doesn`t mean this is a bad template for all women to look at and maybe aspire to. And they do give the Nobel Peace Prize right there in Oslo. So, it`s not going to be a big stretch for them to just go ahead and give this young lady the accolades she deserves for being a size zero just days after giving birth.
PINSKY: And Jenny -- OK. Hold on, Mike. Before you dig your grave any deeper. Jenny, I`m going to have you, you`ve got a very strong opinion about this. I`m surprised you`re as supportive as you are of her. She`s probably six feet tall. She`s young and young bodies are more resilient after pregnancy. There`s so much there that`s sort of unrealistic, don`t you think?
HUTT: Yes, of course, but it doesn`t mean that I have to hate her, because genetically, that`s not my great strength. I have other strength. My abs and ass aren`t my strength. I like my mind.
CATHERWOOD: I disagree, Jenny.
SCHACHER: And your fabulous personality, girlfriend. Go with it.
PINSKY: Mike go with it.
SCHACHER: And I think that criticism, Dr. Drew, I think is enough. I mean, enough of people hating on other women just because if she wants to post that photo and if she looks amazing, which she does, then let her post the photo.
PINSKY: How about we all agree no shaming on either side. We don`t shame this woman. We don`t shame somebody who looks different. We have no body shaming for women. Good idea?
CATHERWOOD: First off, before I give my final verdict, guys, I`m really going to have to examine a lot of pictures of her by myself probably in the shower if possible --
SCHACHER: Who is your wife?
CATHERWOOD: -- she was available. And Sam Schacher, you got any pictures of you you can throw in the mix?
PINSKY: -- you can find us on Instagram at @DrDrewHLN. You will not find pictures of Norwegian woman. You`ll see all us like you see here on the screen.
Next up, good news, caught on tape, we have a policeman rescuing a man from a burning vehicle. It is an extraordinary piece of video. This is heroic efforts on his part. You will see all of it, all of this viral video when we get back.
PINSKY: Back with Jenny, Mike, Lynn, and Sam. And now, a viral video we couldn`t stop watching we needed to share with you. It`s an amazing rescue caught in a police dash-cam. Officer here highlighted approached as a burning vehicle. He just gotten on the duty, apparently. He approaches this truck on fire, drags the unconscious driver out of harm`s way.
He is clearly in trouble medically. Then he goes back around into the burning vehicle, once he secured the guy a safe distance from the burning vehicle, checks for other passengers. Unbelievable. This is a vehicle -- You can see how hot it is. He can barely get near it. It`s on the verge of exploding. And then he goes back and attends to the victim and administers appropriate life support measures.
Lynn, my understanding is this guy had just barely clocked in before this incident. Is that right?
BERRY: Yes. He had been on his shift for two minutes when he got this call. Here is what I find so amazing about this. This is fight or flight at its finest. He didn`t even know if there was somebody inside that car. He jumped into action without knowing whether or not he was trying to save anyone. He went up there. He says he doesn`t remember even that the car door felt like it was hot.
It was a complete mind over matter thing. He felt around, felt somebody in there, and pulled him out. The guy wasn`t in the seatbelt, so that helped the situation. We never want to promote anyone not wearing their seat belt, but that was the situation here. So, see him go back there. He still doesn`t know if anyone was on the passenger side. He feels around again, sees that there isn`t anyone there.
All the while, this car could blow up at any second. He acted on instinct. This guy deserves medals galore.
PINSKY: This guy actually was on CNNs "New Day" this morning. I think it was this morning. I want to show you what he said to the cast there.
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CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: Any fear, any hesitation at all?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s definitely in the back of my mind. I wanted to get away from the truck as soon as I could.
CUOMO: You know, what are you thinking right now? You`re opening that door. You`re looking in there.
KATE BOLDUAN, CNN ANCHOR: Not knowing if the car is going to blow up, by the way. I mean, you don`t know what`s going to happen.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. When I opened the door, I didn`t know what to expect. I couldn`t really see anything. I just reached my hand in and I felt him and I just pulled him out.
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PINSKY: Sam, just horrible to think what might have happened had he not come along.
SCHACHER: Thank God for him. What a hero. And I love this video so much, because of the very reason that as of reason in the news we talk about, you know, corruption in law enforcement or authoritative figures who are abusing their power. And it reminds us that the majority of the law enforcement and servicemen and firemen risk their lives for us every single day.
And that`s incredibly humbling. And I`m just blown away by this guy and eternally grateful for all of their sacrifice.
PINSKY: Mike, I`m going to let you finish up here. And hopefully, you can improve the -- perhaps how you`re being perceived by my audience after your latest comments. What do you have to say about this?
CATHERWOOD: I think Sam used the perfect word, it is humbling to see a guy whose every day job calls upon him to be so courageous. But it`s unfortunate -- to further congratulate him, Governor Chris Christie of New Jersey invited him to the governor`s mansion and ate him.
HUTT: Oh, stop it.
CATHERWOOD: Sad. No, it`s just in. I`m in the newsroom right now. It`s true.
PINSKY: Thank you, guys. "Last Call" is next.
PINSKY: Thanks. Time for the "Last Call." Jenny, thank you so much for your great work tonight. Thank you all for watching. "What Would You Do" starts now and I`ll be on Wendy Williams tomorrow. Check me out there.