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Couple with Four Children Survive Two Days in Nevada Mountains; GM Names its First Female CEO; Lululemon's CEO Gets the Boot; Interview with Howard Buffett and Eva Longoria
Aired December 10, 2013 - 21:00 ET
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PIERS MORGAN, HOST: This is PIERS MORGAN LIVE. Welcome to our viewers in the United States and around the world. Tonight, breaking news, a dramatic rescue. A couple with four children lost in the snow in Nevada mountains. How they got out alive, and the rescuers who saved them. Plus, never underestimate the power of a woman. GM named its first female CEO, and (inaudible). Lululemon's founder gets the boot after telling women their bodies are to blame for yoga pants that don't fit. I'll talk to a former Lululemon worker, who says fat shaming was standard operating procedure. Also, what are the son of a billionaire investor and a Hollywood actress have in common?
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MORGAN: This is a kind of beauty and the beast. And I'm not (ph) looking at you with the word "beauty" in my mind.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's not the first time I've heard it.
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MORGAN: Eva Longoria and Howard Buffett here for their first prime- time interview together. Plus, parting advice from a 9-year-old.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Wait, wait, wait, don't put with that old piece of junk.
MORGAN: Does it mean a fun -- listen, old people like me use old club.
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MORGAN: I'll begin now with our Big Story, the dramatic rescue of a couple and four little children that are lost for two days in sub zero temperatures in the Nevada Mountains. They're all doing well tonight and the CEO of the hospital where they're being treated says the couple did a fabulous job keeping the children warm and alive.
Joining me now, family friend Jo Ann Weagant, who joined in the search, also Paul Burke who coordinated the rescue effort.
Let me ask you first of all Jo Ann. I know that you've been down to the hospital, get a chance to speak to the family at all or picked up any information about how they're all doing.
JO ANN WEAGANT, FAMILY FRIEND OF MISSING COUPLE: I haven't got to talk to them myself but from what I'm told, they're all doing great, you know, except for being cold and hungry. The kids are doing good and Jay and Christine are doing well.
MORGAN: That's terrific news and certainly, it looked pretty bleak last night. Paul Burke, you helped direct with search and rescue effort. First of all, many congratulations on a really triumphant ending to this. A great credit to you and the team. How difficult was it to find them and in the end, what was the key breakthrough?
PAUL BURKE, NEVADA DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY: The difficulty in finding them Piers is really being able put the right resource in the right area using both community resources and train resources around the state, put them in the right spot at the right time to find them.
The most difficult part of this basically fighting the weather and the chances that may not have come out as well as they did.
MORGAN: And it sounds of what we now think happened, Paul can you talk me through the chronology. We know the family went down to play in the snow. What happened next?
BURKE: Well, some period of time during the course of the traveling through this dirt roads and snow in some pretty rural area. The vehicle got caught in some type of detour gravel pit and made a real slow roll. The vehicle rolled on to its top and couldn't go anywhere.
And as result of that, rather than trying to escape or walk away from the site, they stayed together. One of the passengers decided to make a fire. They tried to keep each other warm. They kept fluids in them and really that's the point that they survived from.
MORGAN: And we believe, I think, Paul that the man James Glanton was pretty ingenious here that he lit a fire outside a warmed up rocks that he then put inside the car to keep the car interior warm and therefore let the children inside.
BURKE: I have to tell you I've never heard of such a thing, but I thought it was pretty clever of him to be able heat something up that would retain the heat, give it to the children. The interim would stay warm and eventually, everybody in the vehicle stayed warm. So to the extent that he was pretty ingenious about it, that's one for the books.
MORGAN: Yeah, quite extraordinary. Jo Ann, you know James, you know the family here well. Does it surprise you that he was so quick thinking and possibly saved their lives in that way?
WEAGANT: He's a smart guy. That's all I've got to say. He and my son run around together in high school and my grand son and he's oldest boy run around together, very smart guy, very smart guy. That's all I can say. I'm not surprised at all. I'm very proud of him. I'm very, very proud of him. MORGAN: And so you should be. And Paul we understand the condition that everyone is pretty good, everyone's health appears stable, no frost bites and exposure issues, and obviously a bit of trauma, or I guess for the kids involved here. Are they expected from what you understand to make a complete and full and speedy recovery?
BURKE: I would expect that they would make a full recovery. Of course, I'm not a doctor, but I've been through countless searches in the middle of winter in Alaska and of course down here in Nevada and I'm very surprised, very pleased with the outcome on this. It makes a great Christmas story.
MORGAN: And in terms of your advice Paul for anybody watching who maybe exposed to similar treacherous conditions, almost I guess the first bit of advice is if you can avoid going out and stay at home but if you are out and you do get caught like this, what is the recommendation?
BURKE: They did the exact thing that they should. They stay together. Their survivability increases dramatically if they all stay together. The other thing is it's very dry in spite of the cold so for them to retain fluids, make sure that they have plenty of water if they can and of course, staying warm and by staying together, staying warm, and staying in one place, it helps both the trained searchers, aircraft, everybody else find them much quicker.
MORGAN: In terms of their cellphone, there was, we believe a signal but it wasn't strong enough for them to make any calls out but it was strong enough to be able to track it, is that right?
BURKE: That's correct. We used it, the term called cellphone forensics. It's a sign behind the cellphone signal determining what towers will work and there's a lot of technology rounding that but basically, through the Air Force Rescue Coordination Center, they were able to track the cellphone, they're able to -- it gives a lot additional data to help search by.
MORGAN: A certain irony of course with all the debate in the moment about privacy in the NSA spying on Americans and of course it was the very same technology I guess that led to them being identified in terms of their location.
BURKE: Well certainly this is a good use of that technology and certainly it helped us pinpoint a little bit better where they were.
MORGAN: Jo Ann, obviously I know you'll be looking forward to speaking to them all, but in terms of the reaction from all the rescue people involved, there's a huge community effort wasn't it? You were part of this, did you have fears start to increase as the hours went by that you may not have a happy ending to all this?
WEAGANT: Well, I never want to thought -- nobody wanted to think that at all. I just, you know, in my thoughts are with all the prayers of Lovelock, all the people that were helping and I truly believe, I don't know about anybody else, there was an angel in the sky watching over them. And we've just worked it to give a -- just, it wasn't a thought in my mind that that was going to be the scenario, it could be -- it's Christmas time.
MORGAN: Yes it's ...
WEAGANT: It's Christmas time.
MORGAN: It's a very joyous ...
WEAGANT: And we got a Christmas wish.
MORGAN: Yes, it's a very joyous Christmas story. Tell me a little bit more if you can, Jo Ann about the family what kind of family are they?
WEAGANT: Oh, well they're a (good) family, you know, like I said they -- he was a good friend to my son in high school and they're still friends and just a close knit family, you know, all the kids they do everything together, you know, they're good people with good heart, you know, and they're close to their family and that was the important thing. That's what got them through I think.
MORGAN: And Paul obviously it's ended fantastic way on this occasion it could have been a complete disaster. If you were being critical at all and now it's not probably not the right time, but I'm going to put it to you anyway because you are a guide that will be in the thick of all of this again and again in other similar situations. Is it slightly reckless of a family when the temperatures are so cold and the blizzard is so strong to venture out looking for a bit of trill seeking in this kind of situation.
BURKE: You know as for -- it's really Piers, people go out for all kinds of reasons and I'm certainly not in the position to -- to either criticize or praise their activity. Our job is to make sure that if people do go and get in trouble that there's a community resource, the Local Sheriff's Agency, state resource and there was even federal resource that was involved in this search. So our job is to recover them, bring them back as best we can. I've never been in a position nor would I even begin to try to put myself in their position and criticize what they've done.
They did good things that caused their survival, that basically relate ended up making them survive through the -- what was a pretty terrible ordeal. So I'm just happy that he uses his own ingenuity, I'm happy that the community was able to come together, provide resource for us, provide resource for the Sheriff here who did a tremendous job and the Sheriff would probably be here were he not exhausted and he did a tremendous job for this community.
MORGAN: And that moment Paul when you heard that it was good news and they were alive and well, there was must be one of the most satisfying parts of your job isn't it?
BURKE: It's what we call the psychic income. It's the kind of thing that we get that doesn't matter how little or how much I'm paid. The fact is that's what makes this such a good job, all right. It could be tragic but today was a great outcome and we live with that. MORGAN: Well I want to congratulate you Paul again and your entire team they've done a spectacular job, I could have say when we reported on this last time I spoke to the mother of one of the children. It was obviously extremely anxious about what may happen and she can now have a great Christmas with her little girl and indeed everybody involved and it's going to be great Christmas. And I thank you and applaud you and the team for the tremendous effort that you did to save their lives, and to you Jo Ann when you get a change to speak to them all. And tell them I love to speak to them, I think it's such a happy story we would love to have them on the show, so I'm going to use you as my personal emissary ...
MORGAN: ... is that OK with you?
WEAGANT: OK. No problem. I can do that.
MORGAN: Well I ...
WEAGANT: Thank you very much ...
MORGAN: I'm very ...
WEAGANT: ... that would be great, they would love it.
MORGAN: I would love that and I'm very pleased for you Jo Ann and for the friends and family who took part on the search, it's great to see it end this way. So thank you both indeed for joining me tonight.
WEAGANT: Thank you for caring.
BURKE: Thank you very much.
MORGAN: Great ends to what could have been a horrible story. That and tonight Don Lemon takes a look at our extreme weather from coast to coast and what's behind it, that's the 11th Hour tonight. And when we come back a shocking suicide in the middle of a crowded mall, was it caused by too much shopping?
MORGAN: An extraordinary story out of China tonight. A man jumped to his death from a mall balcony last week reportedly after fighting with his girlfriend over her endless shoe buying. CNN's Ivan Watson has more.
Ivan, it seems a quite remarkable story it is. Is he, as it seems to be really this guy that's get sick and tired of hours of shopping and deliberately takes his life?
IVAN WATSON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: We may never know the full story here but it does appear that some of these pressures of shopping -- holiday shopping contributed to this man's tragic and fatal decision of last Sunday to jump off the seventh floor balcony of this shopping mall. Almost all the details we're getting about this case come from the state news agency which reports that people overheard this man arguing with his girlfriend about shopping expenses before making the decision to make this fatal leap.
And there has been a fair amount of chatter online here in China about this case. People lamenting materialism in China, commercialization in these pressures that may have helped drive this man to make this terrible decision.
The sad irony here, Piers, is that Christmas isn't really traditionally a big holiday in China. It doesn't even compare with the Chinese New Year. But you wouldn't know it if you walk around Chinese cities because the big shopping malls, the hotels, the big business, they've all got Christmas trees up, and "Merry Christmas" signs, and lots of the music and the colors of Christmas and the marketing and the sales of that. And it does appear, in this case, which we don't know whole, whole lot about. It does appear that some of these pressures may have contributed to this terrible tragedy last Sunday.
MORGAN: Yeah, it's quite extraordinary. Ivan Watson, thank you very much. Also on the news tonight another story of Retell Therapy going wrong Lululemon of an upscale yoga gear, the new CEO after the founder that Chip Wilson's ill-advice comment blaming the company's ill- fitting yoga pants on his own customers. He said quite some women's bodies just actually don't work. Not a good idea Mr. Wilson's ever even to think about.
Joining me now, let's talk about all this is Elizabeth Licorish, a writer and the former Lululemon employee, also psychotherapist Robi Ludwig and Heather Thomson the Founder and Chief Creative Officer of Yummie by Heather Thomson. It's a great name for a company, just thought to buy (ph).
OK, so (inaudible) let's get into this and let's first of all just talk about the Chinese situation for a moment. It is the time of year and obviously -- I share Ivan's surprise that Christmas even that prevalent in China given that the religious persuasions there, but it clearly is just a build up of pressure here ...
ROBI LUDWIG, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: Yeah.
MORGAN: -- of a man and a woman and he's sick and tired of shopping and takes crazy, drastic action but this scene is replicated all over America isn't it.
LUDWIG: Oh, yeah, I think that's why it's so -- right, right.
MORGAN: Not the suicide it was tension and stress and arguments and ...
LUDWIG: It's so identifiable, right? When we go to the mall, men don't really love shopping. Women love it. It's like a sport. We see a lot of men hanging out in couches.
MORGAN: Why do women make men go to shopping?
LUDWIG: I don't know. I think it's a bad idea because you could do ...
MORGAN: Given that no man I know ...
MORGAN: -- actually enjoys it. But why do women persist of wanting their man to trail around the mall for five hours looking at shoes? To me, it would be a death sentence.
HEATHER THOMSON, FOUNDER AND CHIEF CREATIVE OFFICER OF YUMMIE BY HEATHER THOMSON: It's not a good idea. I mean, I leave my husband at home when I shop because it's not fun for him. So then it would ...
THOMSON: ... not fun for me and I have business to do when I'm shopping.
THOMSON: I had to get my job done.
LUDWIG: And you can get more if you don't have somebody complaining saying let's go let's go. What are you spending (ph)?
MORGAN: I love the fact that you're buying lovely shoes. It's very exciting and everything else and where obviously the (inaudible) I don't want to be part of the prices (ph) I'm afraid.
LUDWIG: But there are so many other ways to handle it. This man could have said, you know what I'm done I need to go home so clearly this was a strong that broke (inaudible). But because there were other issues going on for this man and I also wondered if he kills himself that was like a self attack as a way to not kill his girlfriend because he was so fed up with her. It's a way to really punish her.
MORGAN: It was as obviously we might never really know.
LUDWIG: We don't know. Right.
MORGAN: It's a very sad story but it does -- is indicative of always rising tensions around holidays period.
MORGAN: Let's turn now to this extraordinary Lululemon story. So Elizabeth Licorish, you are a former employee of Lululemon. This guy Chip Wilson is not great in terms of talking about women which is completely bizarre given he was running a company that catered almost exclusively for women.
ELIZABETH LICORISH, FORMER LULULEMON EMPLOYEE: No. He really shut himself on the foot with the comment that he made and also the apology that he issued which wasn't really an apology it was sort of a not I'm sorry for isolating groups of customers or body shaming in women I'm just sorry that I said something stupid and that my company is going to suffer the consequences.
MORGAN: Now you worked there and let's listen to what he have to say first of all which wasn't really an apology, all right. Let's listen to this
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CHIP WILSON, FOUNDER LULULEMON: Some women's bodies just actually don't work for it. It's really about the rubbing through the thighs, how much pressure is there over a period of time and how much they use it.
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MORGAN: That obviously wasn't an apology. That was the offending comment and all its glorious nature. I mean, Elizabeth you worked there. Was it actually the reality? I mean, was there a policy by the stores, the Lululemon stores to actively deter larger ladies from coming in?
LICORISH: Well, the store that I actually worked at Lululemon makes a size 12 yoga pant which is considered the lower end of plus size and those pants are actually not displayed with the other sizes on the store wall. It were actually kind of tossed into a heap in a table that was used to fold all the other pants. So it was a big to do for a plus size customers to come in, have to request their size. The employee would then have to dig out the size and since they were, you know, under picked they were never current styles. So the customer who is plus size had a very different shopping experience and the customer who was (inaudible).
MORGAN: OK. So ...
LICORISH: And it was ...
MORGAN: Yeah. Let me just turn to Heather here because she obviously -- you're involved in this game.
MORGAN: You do spanks and all that kind of stuff at Yummie, I know, I am very up to speed (ph) on my spanks and my yummies and it's pretty outrageous what he said, isn't it? But is there a wider truth beneath the ugly comments? Is this what people do in this game and are they targeting the yoga pants at a slimmer woman perhaps, and we just don't want to admit it?
THOMSON: Certainly not a Yummie by Heather Thomson. My brand is an exclusive. It's an inclusive brand. It's not exclusive to one body type or one shape. You know, it's not with the size of pants you wear. It's your -- shape of your body and you know, my thighs rub together and I'm a size four. So, you know, it depends on what, you know, it depends what your body shape is and what you're looking for. And my brand is built to -- and designed to bring confidence to women. You know, we have a lot of pressures out there. And it's really sad when, you know, we as American women, overweight women make up 60 percent of the population ...
MORGAN: Yeah, this guy -- yeah.
THOMSON: So, we're missing a whole big bid (ph). So, girls come to me because I've got you covered. We -- My brand is from extra small to 3X. And we don't hide the clothes and we don't hide that back.
MORGAN: OK. Well, it's good for you and fascinating. He made a cataclysmic error of judgment that you never ever be. So, we have now got his public apology which wasn't really groveling but let's watch it anyway.
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WILSON: I'm sad. I'm really sad. I'm sad for the repercussions of my actions. I'm sad for the people of Lululemon who I care so much about and I've really had to face the brunt of my actions. To take responsibility for all that has occurred and the impact that this had on you.
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MORGAN: Well, Mr. Wilson, we're all sad that you're a sad fascist. Let's move on. Very quickly I want to just show these pictures. This is from the Mandela memorial tonight. Very moving and powerful event, but this extraordinary selfie picture. Now, that is the British Prime Minister David Cameron, Barack Obama obviously and the Danish Prime Minister Helle Thorning-Schmidt as they're getting huge attention around the world. Many because people are thinking it's not really appropriate at a memorial service. To me posing for selfies if you're a world leader ...
LUDWIG: I -- No, I am ...
MORGAN: But Michelle Obama seems to me pretty disgusted by the whole thing we think. And what ...
LUDWIG: But, it's very real. I mean, it kind of makes them accessible as leaders, they're just like us. We do selfies, they do selfies. Now, it may not be appropriate but it's also a different country. Didn't they seem to be celebrating Mandela's life? They were singing and dancing. So, it might be very just a culturally over there.
MORGAN: I think you're being generous.
MORGAN: I think it was inappropriate and bordering and distasteful.
MORGAN: A world leader should be ...
LUDWIG: All right.
MORGAN: ... a better behaved at events like that. Anyway, thank you all very much indeed. And when we come back what brought Eva Longoria and Howard Buffet together. You're all so surprised you, they're here in a primetime exclusive that's coming next.
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EVA LONGORIA, ACTRESS: That's who we are, a nation that rewards ambition with opportunity where hard work can lead to success, no matter where you start. As I travel the country for the President, I see Americans of every background fighting to succeed. They're optimistic, they're ambitious, they're hardworking. But they also want to know that their hard work will pay off.
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MORGAN: Eva Longoria at the 2012 Democratic National Convention. Of course, closest to her heart these days is education. Now, she's teaming up with philanthropist Howard Buffett. He's working to end hunger in United States. Howard's new book is "Forty Chances: Finding Hope in a Hungry World". Now, Eva is honoring Howard with the International Quality of Life Award at U.N. here in New York.
And they both have joined me today. How are you both?
HOWARD BUFFETT, PHILANTHROPIST: Great.
LONGORIA: We're great.
MORGAN: No offense, Howard, but this is a kind of Beauty and the Beast. And I'm not looking at you with the beauty in mind.
BUFFETT: It's not the first time I've heard.
MORGAN: What has brought you two together? How do it start?
LONGORIA: I can only take Howard in doses. We -- No, you know, it started with immigration many, many years ago when I was very interested in the issue and the topic and I wanted to go to Arizona. And he was going to Arizona. So mutual friend paired us up and said, you know, "You should go with Howard. He's pretty literate on this subject."
And it's amazing because we are upsidence of the political spectrum approaching that particular issue in a compassionate way. I'm a farmer co-advocate, Howard's a farmer. We really went down there to talk to the boarder patrol, we road along the border, we talked to farmers on the Mexican side, we talked to farm workers on the American side, we talked to everybody. And, we, you know, touched the fence, you know.
We walked across the desert, we went to the morgues, we saw how many people die, China come to this country. I mean it was an amazing educational trip for me. Howard had been several times. But that's how we met. And since then, we've evolved and traveled all over the world.
MORGAN: Howard keeps boasting to me about the special relationship he has with you. But he doesn't seem to be aware that last time that you were on my show, you spoon-fed me guacamole...
LONGORIA: Yes, I did.
MORGAN: ... live on air.
LONGORIA: When, I was doing my book tour that was the time I'm helping out with him.
MORGAN: It's not mistaken, you have never been spoon-fed guacamole by Eva Longoria?
LONGORIA But ...
BUFFETT: You know what though...
LONGORIA: You don't mind your picture.
BUFFETT: ... I don't like guacamole.
LONGORIA: You don't mean the pitcher of (inaudible) that I did.
BUFFETT: No. But I said to Piers and he can went up me every time. So I...
MORGAN: Howard, there are nearly 15 million Americans according to Feeding America including 60 million children who are technically hungry in United States.
MORGAN: A really staggering and depressing statistic. You devoted much of your life to try and to tackle this. How difficult is it to make real inwards into that level of hunger?
BUFFETT: Well, it's extremely difficult but the difference between the United States and many other places we were is it's doable in the United States. I mean, you're never going to get it down to zero but, you know, you can get it down to very low single digit in this country. But, you know, people don't see hunger in this country. It's pretty well-hidden and we have a society where people don't want to ask for help, they don't want o be seen as asking for help. So it's a big challenge. I mean a big part of it is just awareness.
MORGAN: And most important thing is that there's a key link between kids who are fed well and performance in school. BUFFETT: Well, absolutely. I mean, look, we got this school and there's a chapter in the book that talks about the cater (ph) where we have the largest corn plant in the world grinding 607,000 bushels of corn a day. Imagine that.
MORGAN: I think about lunch.
BUFFETT: That's a lot of corn, Piers. Even you and I together couldn't do that but, you know, and you can go into schools and have 90 to 94 percent of the kids that are -- they're qualified for reduced for free lunch program. I mean, hunger in this country should be a scandal. People should be disgusted that we are as powerful and as rich as we are and we have millions of kids that go to bed hungry. I mean it's just -- it's not right.
MORGAN: Real so. In America, there's a real problem as I've said before as there is in Britain. With the way that America is falling behind many of the far eastern countries, in China, Korea, and the Malaysia, who are piling away now in Science and Math and stuff like that. What is happening with the American education system? Eva, that is letting itself fall so far behind. What will in future be super power rivals.
LONGORIA: Right. I mean, you know, a lot of it has to do with -- I mean, there's many tenant, there's a lot of tenants due to education reform whether it's effective teaching, parental engagement, curriculum, socio-economic status which is, you know, also for Latinos overlaps with culture. There's a lot of problems with their system and I -- my foundation in particular helps with the parental engagement program because if a parent is engaged in a child's educational journey they are more likely to succeed.
But also effective teaching in the curriculum, what we're teaching our kids in school has to be culturally relevant and interesting and ...
MORGAN: Well, Jack Dorsey last night ...
LONGORIA: Oh yes.
MORGAN: ... one of the founders of Twitter and he was saying, "It's incredible how few schools in America have compulsory computer science for example which seems completely ridiculous ...
MORGAN: ... given every kid I know who has a sort of mini computer ...
MORGAN: ... all day long. Yeah.
MORGAN: I mean it's a crazy ...
MORGAN: ... system that doesn't make computer science one of the key tenants of education these days.
LONGORIA: Yeah. And unfortunately that is the type of socioeconomic status. These kids live in poor areas. I mean when you talk about minorities where there's African-Americans and Hispanics, you know, disproportionately live in poor communities which have poor resources which can't afford the technology and can't afford the effective teachers that they need. And so it's kind of a domino effect.
And then if you put on top of that, they're hungry and they're not eating. You cannot expect ...
MORGAN: Well it's a combination isn't it?
LONGORIA: ... them to perform well. Yeah.
MORGAN: It's a poor education, its hunger, its poverty, it's all those things. I mean, they're estimated by 2050, Latinos will make up 30 percent of the US population. They are taking over the entire country. That's single handedly led by you.
MORGAN: For the facts that Latin women are pretty, pretty scary. 27 percent of Latinas live below ...
LONGORIA: Scary. It's ...
MORGAN: That statistic is encouraging.
MORGAN: What is scary is that ...
LONGORIA: Right. Is it.
MORGAN: ... 27 percent of Latinas live below the poverty line. One in three drops out of high school, only 15 percent of adult Latinas hold college degree. So you're going to have this vast ...
MORGAN: ... population.
LONGORIA: We're the largest growing demographic in the country with the lowest educational attainment. It's going to be a large ...
MORGAN: What is the ...
LONGORIA: ... uneducated group.
MORGAN: What is the single most effective thing that could be done for Latino community? LONGORIA: Education is the single most important thing that can be done because education is the key to economic mobility. And then within the educational sector, you have many points of intervention. So if somebody falls behind or is left behind, you can catch them at another stage. I mean, obviously you want kids to learn math and read by third grade or else they're going to graduate high school. But if they don't, they can still go back and learn to read. They can still go back and learn math.
And so that's the one thing with education is, you know, trying to find what's the most effective intervention we can do in order to make sure that we're not only a large group but we're an educator group. This is a future workforce of our country ...
MORGAN: Absolutely. And so ...
LONGORIA: ... so if we don't address it it's going to effect our economy.
MORGAN: Absolutely right. And Howard, I mean you've obviously been plowing quite literally quite a lonely furrow on this for a long time.
How helpful is it to you to have Ms. Longoria who is -- let's face it aesthetically very appealing to the media?
BUFFET: Well, I think it goes way beyond that. I mean it's true you get, you know ...
MORGAN: We'll start from that ...
BUFFET: ... I -- actually, Piers, I hadn't noticed. But, you know, star power can be great if it's used well and ...
LONGORIA: It's used for good?
LONGORIA: If it's used for good and not evil.
BUFFET: Well, you know, it's easier to say this because I'm sitting next to you. But, you know, he's very smart, very well-read, studies the subject, knows what she's talking about. That makes the difference.
And so when you're talking about a serious subject and it's also a subject close to her heart, it has to do with her heritage, it's absolutely an advantage. And so, you know, when we -- I mean, working in this great program in Texas where, you know, I mean it's not even a dent probably and what the, you know, the whole issue but, you know, we're trying to find Latina women who are food insecure and who have the ability to get a small loan and start a business.
I mean, the truth is if you put somebody to work, you and their issue with poverty. Now, you know, when you bring up the size of the numbers, the scale, I mean it's pretty amazing and -- but we'd better start doing something about it now or we are going to have a big issue later.
MORGAN: Well, let's take a short break. Let's come back and talk about the minimum wage war in America. Also for you, Eva, would you ever consider running for office? Many people who are watching this show think she's a smart cookie but not acting. Time for the ...
LONGORIA: And smart that's why I won't do that.
MORGAN: Time for the big role.
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LONGORIA: Over the last three years his work to reform our immigration system to give everyone a fair shot of the American dream and he is fighting to make sure people who have brought here his children have the opportunity to earn a path to citizenship and contribute to the country they know is home.
That's what this election is about ...
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MORGAN: Eva Longoria stamping for President Obama. She is back with me now with Howard Buffett, and they're teaming up to prove education by feeding America's hungry children.
Let's talk about minimum wage for a moment, Eva because one big problems in America is that so many people who are in the particular poverty hunger, lack of education trap that we've talked about fall below the minimum wage even if they get jobs. This is a big issue in America, right?
LONGORIA: Yeah. I mean, you know, people have full time jobs, live in poverty. That's ridiculous. And, you know, recently the fast-food workers walked out and went on a strike and I worked in a fast-food industry. I worked at Wendy's for four years.
So I remember I was like extra job in high school. Some people that's their full time job to feed their family. And so, yeah, I think minimum wage absolutely has to change as inflation goes as the economy is. But also when we talk about wages and we talk about agriculture and, you know, there's a lot of people in this huge sector of agriculture and talking about immigration that they don't have a wage. They don't have a minimum wage. They have a slave wage and they have, you know, it's an exploited industry, and exploited labor for this backbone of our country.
MORGAN: So Howard, you blimp along struggling on the minimum wage as everyone knows, a lot of your father.
BUFFETT: I'm going to get paid less than you, Piers.
MORGAN: What is the answer to this particular part of the puzzle, the minimum wages? BUFFETT: Well, you know, you just back up one step and say that, only the solution to pulling people out of poverty making sure they're fed is to have them working. And so, I mean, that's the long term real exit strategy if you want to solve the problem. You know, raising the minimum wage is always a kind of a debate that you don't know the facts because I'm all for raising the minimum wage but there's a balance, and I really am, but there's a balance between how much you raise it and one impact it has on business decisions. And I don't buy into the fact that you can't raise it, OK. But, I do think there's a balance. And so -- And there's unfortunately, there's not a way to know what that magic number is.
MORGAN: Let's turn to President Obama. You've always been very supportive over him Eva, you stamped for him and you spoken on this show very eloquently about him. But, you've taken a few shots recently which I think would -- many would say of being just for particularly over the catastrophic rollout of ObamaCare which shouldn't have been his great policy and part of his legacy and it's now turning out to this huge milestone. What is going wrong at the moment with Obama Incorporated?
LONGORIA: Well, you know, in regards to ObamaCare, nothing is wrong with ObamaCare. What went wrong was the access to ObamaCare and so we need to make sure that, you know, people are going to have the access to healthcare in this country. It's a big problem.
MORGAN: You're disappointed that it was done so badly?
LONGORIA: Of course. I think it would be a lie to say you're not disappointed in the rollout of it. I think he's brought in someone who can hopefully help fix the access to it. I mean, for it to be something as trivial as a website failure since, you know.
MORGAN: Specifically for Mr. Tech (ph) president, the guy that gets elected because he runs such a brilliant operation in computers.
LONGORIA: Right. But, at the same time the criticism to ObamaCare is bad. That's misdirecting. That's what I think.
MORGAN: OK. I want to show picture now of you on a tractor, Eva for no other reason than it will probably keep the viewers for a bit longer than would otherwise you can't being kept to. So, let's see a picture of you on a tractor.
LONGORIA: OK. All right.
MORGAN: Here we go. That's you and the Howard in a tractor.
BUFFET: It's actually a combine.
LONGORIA: It's a combine, yeah.
MORGAN: That's a combine.
BUFFET: We're harvesting corn.
MORGAN: It's a combine, how is it in the corn fields.
BUFFET: Yeah. Yeah.
MORGAN: Did you get your hands dirty, Eva?
LONGORIA: You know what, I grew up on a farm. I grew up on tractors. I grew up in a ranch. But we did it for fun. Howard does it, you know, for a living and I've never seen a tractor like a combine like that. By the way, you get in it and it's all automated and you push the button and you sit there.
BUFFET: Even you can run it, Piers.
MORGAN: So basically, it's easy farming, right?
MORGAN: It's an easy job and plenty of cash, right? No wonder you laugh so much.
BUFFET: You come visit me. I'll make sure you have some hard work with it.
LONGORIA: Well, let me tell you. When I landed in Decatur, Illinois, Tony Blair was leaving and he was also on that.
LONGORIA: On that combine.
MORGAN: He was?
BUFFET: Tony run a little corn over. Eva did OK.
LONGORIA: Yeah. Tony was horrible at it by the way.
BUFFET: Well, I don't say horrible. Come on, come on.
LONGORIA: I was amazing.
MORGAN: That was a disgrace (ph). That I can't believe. I see people that -- look at you and they see Eva Longoria, actress to a point and then they also see this great political activist, he's smart, you're eloquent, funny, you look great, it prompts the obvious this question. When are you going to run for office? When are you going to do this for a living?
LONGORIA: I think I'm not. That's the answer to that.
MORGAN: Never? Was that supposed a no? LONGORIA: No.
BUFFET: Don't say never. Don't say never.
LONGORIA: Oh my God. Howard, I'm not.
BUFFET: As your campaign manager, don't say never.
LONGORIA: Oh, my campaign manager is like...
MORGAN: Do you think she should though?
BUFFET: I think that every person who has something can contribute and Eva has a lot to contribute should always keep an open mind to the right opportunity, at the right time, in the right place and that doesn't mean it will happen but that's why say never say never.
LONGORIA: Well, I never want to trivialize the work that they do. I mean, you look at the -- this time in our country is not really representative of good job that they're doing but what they do is hard and I think the most powerful point in the political process is the citizen and I've always said that. To be politically involved, you have to be a participant as a citizen and that's how I participate.
MORGAN: How would you feel it if we had a Latino-Hispanic president who happened to be like Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio from the other side of the divide. Would you be ...
LONGORIA: I think...
MORGAN: ... affected there.
LONGORIA: Well, I mean, I don't vote for people because of their race. I vote for people because of their issues and what they stand on the issues.
MORGAN: Or would it be a great moment as was the ascent of Barack Obama, for African-American in America would be a great moment for the Latino community to see it even if it wasn't your side of the fence?
LONGORIA: Right. It wasn't my side. It depends on -- like I said, where they stand. I wouldn't -- same reason I wouldn't vote for Palin because she was a woman know what I've been proud to go, yeah, you know, I don't agree with where she stands on that so I wouldn't necessarily just be proud in that moment because it was Hispanic ...
MORGAN: But I do that you'd like a Latina president and also maybe a woman president which again brings me be back Howard to the obvious candidate.
LONGORIA: No, no.
BUFFET: I can see we're going to have to work on these together Piers. LONGORIA: No.
MORGAN: She's nearly democratic women Latinas at the moment out there who could run for office now.
BUFFET: I know one. E.L.
MORGAN: We'll see. Great to see you both and good luck tonight with your award, massively well-deserved. Howard Buffet's book "Forty Chances" they're available right now. And of course check out Eva Longoria's foundation.org for more information on her work within the Latino community and her campaign for high office.
BUFFET: So, to be you.
LONGORIA: How? "Forty Chances" buy the book.
MORGAN: It's lovely to see you both. Thank you.
BUFFET: Thank you very much.
LONGORIA: Thank you. You too.
MORGAN: Next, it's a humbling experience to be out-golfed by nine- year-olds for the cast of the new Netflix film "The Short Game".
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I want to be the first woman to play a tournament at Augusta because girls are just as good as boys.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When I get on the ring everything turns slow and I'm not nervous.
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MORGAN: A clip there from Netflix's new documentary "The Short Game" produced by Justine Timberlake and his wife Jessica Biel and still as (inaudible) world's best junior golfers kid who are vying for the next Tiger Woods or Bubba Watson, well four of them join me now. Allan Kournikova, Zamokuhle Nxasana, Alexa Pano and Sky Sudberry. Pano right?
ALEXA PANO: Pano.
MORGAN: Pano, Pano. OK. Let me get things right. Just one of you maybe the next superstar of sport in America, so how are you all?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Good.
MORGAN: So you four are the best young golfers in the world, right?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yeah.
MORGAN: So who's the best on the four you?
PANO: Obviously me.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Definitely me.
MORGAN: Do you play each other boys with the girls or no, is it always kept separate?
PANO: There in tournaments, it's kept separate but when we do our practice turns, I always play against Allan and I always take him down. That's about seven times in a row that I beat you, is that correct?
ALLAN KOURNIKOVA: Just because she maybe beats me in the practice rounds, I do beat her in tournament days every single time.
MORGAN: Wow, now, Alexa, this is what you said about golf, every time I hit the ball, it turns on a light switching my body, I just love being out there. Is that how you feel about playing golf?
PANO: Absolutely, because when you hit the golf ball you just get a good vibe or a good feeling in your body.
MORGAN: Are the girls as good as the boys generally, do you think. Is there not when they get, you know, into adult stages. They're not supposed to be as good as Tiger Wood. Do you think that's changing?
PANO: I think, yeah, it is changing because they always in tournaments say, OK girls can play shorter distances than guys because they can't hit it as far. But girls, if you really get out there and watch them, they can hit it just as far as guys, maybe even better.
PANO: And when I played with Alexis Thompson (ph) and she could out drive all the people that we were playing with and with no problem.
MORGAN: Now, Sky, last year Tiger Woods got more than $12 million in price money. The top female golfers only make around $2.5 million, do you think that's unfair, should you all get paid the same?
SKY SUDBERRY: I think we should get paid the same because girls can do anything boys could do.
MORGAN: What would you do if you won $12 million. Where would spend it on?
SUDBERRY: Well, I'll probably buy a mansion in California.
KOURNIKOVA: You're not going to buy a mansion you're 12.
MORGAN: Now, Allan you're full -- you got all the chat, right which is not surprising because you got a very famous sister, who is it?
KOURNIKOVA: Anna Kournikova. MORGAN: Who is one of my favorite tennis players ever. So you grew up in family of brilliant sports players, right? Do you use to beat your a sister at anything?
KOURNIKOVA: In golf, yes.
MORGAN: Yeah. But not in tennis, right?
MORGAN: Does she always try to beat you in tennis. Never lets you win?
MORGAN: So mean all my sisters are. What does it mean to you to play golf?
KOURNIKOVA: Well, it's just the fun of the game just to play and I love the game and its fun. And I love to compete and I just love to play and play out there just for the fun of it.
MORGAN: Zamokuhle your form South Africa and today is a very important day back in your country. In Johannesburg where in fact you were born. Nelson Mandela has his memorial service. What does he mean to you, Nelson Mandela?
ZAMOKUHLE NXASANA: He's a good -- he's a legend of South Africa and I know he is an -- he was a very good man and when he was in jail for 27 years he gave peace and freedom to our country.
MORGAN: And are you proud to represent South Africa in golf?
MORGAN: You want to best in the world? Do you think you can be?
MORGAN: Yeah. So I thought we have a little test, given that obviously the girls think they're better than you, boys. And you boys think that you're better than the girls. And I think I'm better than all of you. We go to a little touching green all set up. And after the break, I'm going to take you on.
We'll got one pad each, winner takes all. You're up for it?
MORGAN: You ready to loose, I'm very good. (inaudible).
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And of the first tee, Allan rips his drive 175 yards right under the green.
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MORGAN: So, The Short Game has launched its first day on Netflix. Now, a little bit of test here because these four fancy themselves of golf, I fancy myself at golf. We're going to get one paddy, each of about three yards. If you flop it, too bad. Allan, you're on, off you go.
Very good. Oh my God, he's got it in. I wasn't planning on that. OK. Zamokuhle, off you go. At least some of you to get this wrong.
Excellent. Alexa, come on. I need at least two or three of you to miss this to make me look better. Nice action, unlucky. OK. Sky. That's a great pad.
So, if I get this ...
PANO: Wait, wait, wait, wait, don't __ with that, old piece of junk.
MORGAN: Is this for me?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (inaudible).
MORGAN: What's this? Oh my God, this is a special club to me, is it? It's very cool. That's very kind of you guys, thank you very much indeed. This, for the championship.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (inaudible).
MORGAN: OK. I let you win. Well played, mate. Zamokuhle, great to see you. Alexa, good to see you. Sky, good to see you. Good luck with your careers. You'll be better than me whatever happens, that's got to feel good, right?
Yeah, I suppose so.
And tomorrow night, I'll sit down with a man who really knows his way around to golf schools mainly because he owns most of them in America, the one and only Donald Trump. That's all for us tonight, AC360, starts right now.