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Drunk Teen Kills 4, Gets Probation; 1st Grader Suspended for a Kiss on Hand
Aired December 11, 2013 - 21:00 ET
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DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST (voice-over): Tonight, a teen who killed four people while driving drunk is set free. What was his defense? Well, he was just too rich to be responsible. My panel weighs in.
Plus, a 6-year-old boy who kisses a girl`s hand in class gets suspended for sexual harassment. The behavior bureau has something to say about that.
And a photo that has been trending all day. A breastfeeding supermodel takes multitasking to an entirely new level.
Let`s get started.
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PINSKY: Good evening, everybody.
My co-host is attorney and Sirius XM host Jenny Hutt.
And coming up, incredible YouTube video of a woman hit by a police car. Whole thing caught on dash cam. The woman herself will be with us.
Oh my God!
But, first, 16-year-old Ethan Couch. This is the story that has captured me today. I just went nuts on Anderson Cooper a few minutes ago.
JENNY HUTT, CO-HOST: I saw it (ph).
PINSKY: It really -- I just -- all right. Let me report it.
Ethan Couch potentially could have gone to prison for 20 years, instead, a judge gave him 10 years probation for mowing down and killing four people while drunk. The sentence has outraged the victims` families and it`s offended them for even a bigger reason.
Look at this.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Investigators say Couch gunned his pickup as he left a party the night of the crash. About an hour before the wreck, some of the pickup`s occupants were caught on a surveillance tape stealing two cases of beer from a Walmart. The sheriff says the teens have tried to buy beer at a convenience store but were turned down.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The teen received 10 years of probation for an act so reckless.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Couch`s lawyers argued his parents should share the blame because they gave him everything he wanted.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Taking him away from his family and teaching him to be a responsible citizen, that`s a consequence.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Money always seems to keep Ethan out of trouble. Ultimately, today, I felt like money did prevail.
PINSKY: Joining us, Segun Oduolowu, social commentator. Greg Grunberg, actor from "Heroes" and "Big Ass Spider" on iTunes, which, by the way, my radio partner says one of the best pictures he`s seen all year, Greg.
GREG GRUNBERG, ACTOR: Thank you.
PINSKY: Who is also the creator of free mobile coupon app Yowza.
Attorney Areva Martin, and HLN`s Lynn Berry.
Lynn, I`m going to go to you first. Let`s lay it out why everyone is so PO`d about this. This thing has me disgusted. But lay it out for people.
LYNN BERRY, HLN HOST: Dr. Drew, I want to jump out of my chair. It is infuriating. The judge is calling his case affluenza. He`s too rich and privileged to know he did anything wrong.
She`s saying that the parents of this kid never taught him consequences. The irony there, what does she do? She doesn`t give him a consequence. It is a vicious cycle.
What she decided to do was take him away from his family for six months, which, by the way, if his parents are so terrible, why aren`t they facing child endangerment charges, sends him to a $450,000 a year treatment facility that daddy is paying for and all the while four people are dead.
PINSKY: Yes. All right.
BERRY: Let me ask you this -- if you`re sitting at home -- hold on -- on the fence about this one, if this was a kid in the ghetto, and the defense said his parents were crack heads and he was too poor to know he was doing anything wrong, would this ever happen?
PINSKY: No. Absolutely not.
Greg, go ahead.
GRUNBERG: Why aren`t there riots happening right now? Let me tell you something, I`m not advocating that. I`m just saying this is the most ridiculous thing. The parents should go away.
By the way, 20 years isn`t enough. These lives will never come back.
PINSKY: Four lives. Four young people.
GRUNBERG: Four people are dead.
GRUNBERG: And for the judge to do this, the judge is in somebody`s pocket. I would be ashamed if I was an attorney or a judge right now.
PINSKY: All right. I`ve got an attorney here.
And, Areva, come on now. Poorenza, affluenza, those ridiculous. I want to use strong language. I almost belted it out.
Listen, it`s either made up terms that are cute. They`re clever. Good job defense attorney. This is disgusting, is it not?
AREVA MARTIN, ATTORNEY: It`s a sad day for the bar, for lawyers, for judges. Jenny, this is really making us look bad.
HUTT: I agree.
MARTIN: There`s no imaginable explanation why this judge wouldn`t send this kid to jail and why the parents wouldn`t be held responsible. We know there will be civil lawsuits. They`ll have to pay more money. This is all about money and not about consequences even though the judge said the parents haven`t given any consequences.
They turn around -- the judge turns around and does the exact same thing. No consequences. Pat on the back. Go away to a country club in California, get some treatment and get back on the street, drink and kill more people.
So unfair for those families. I just don`t know what to say.
PINSKY: Jenny, have at it.
HUTT: Yes. I agree completely. Look, if parents don`t know how to rear their child appropriately and don`t give consequences for the basic crimes of the underage girl in the car passed out prior to this drunk driving situation --
PINSKY: By the way, allegedly there was a naked girl he was caught with in a car. She was 14. He was 15. What are you going to do? He was driving at 13.
Oh, geez, I guess that`s all the parents` fault.
HUTT: Let me just finish what I was saying, Dr. Drew. But this is exactly when courts need to step in and regulate parenting.
PINSKY: Well, all right.
HUTT: This is the type of situation and that kid should be going away.
PINSKY: Here`s my point. Segun, I let you have at it, because I know you`ve got some thoughts here. My point is I have deep empathy for alcoholics that have consequences from their using. But for God`s sake, get help before you harm somebody. Once you harm somebody, it is up to justice at that point to be served, not treatment.
I would hope they could do treatment as part of a 10-year sentence because when the person comes out I want them better, but I want them to have consequences.
SEGUN ODUOLOWU, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: Yes, Dr. Drew, I consistently come on your show and tell you how much drunk driving bothers me because of this particular instance. He`s taken the lives of four kids -- four people that will never get to see another day. And for the judge to sentence him to this ridiculous and laughable sentence is to almost make their lives feel like a waste.
A lesson could have been taught here. They could have sanctioned the parents. They could have sanctioned the kid. He`s a repeat offender.
And to do this, to let him off in such a manner, it is so repugnant, it`s just -- it`s shameful. The law profession as a whole should collectively throw up in a bucket because of what you`ve done is made humanity just -- who is running the asylum? Who is running the asylum?
GRUNBERG: Right. But let`s say this judge went crazy. I mean, apparently, he`s retiring soon. Isn`t there something we can do? Can`t we overturn his judgment?
PINSKY: Areva, there can be an appeal, can there not? A prosecutorial appeal but it`s unlikely.
MARTIN: The attorney general stepped in the Montana case where we saw that judge not give a long sentence for an adult that raped a teenager. We saw the attorney general of the state of Montana step in and say this is ridiculous, and he filed charges and now we`re hoping to see that rapist go to jail.
PINSKY: An attorney general in Florida stepped in when Trayvon Martin.
MARTIN: There are precedents for the attorney general to step in.
ODUOLOWU: And I think it`s important to note that it`s not a matter about color. It shouldn`t matter about color or money. It should be, as Dr. Drew said, in the instance of justice. How can we say this is a just verdict? My ear piece is falling out I`m so angry. I don`t want it right now. I`m so mad at this entire thing. I`m so mad.
MARTIN: I don`t know, Dr. Drew. It may be a color issue.
PINSKY: A class issue maybe.
MARTIN: Well, class and race maybe.
PINSKY: Well, they go together, don`t they?
Lynn, let`s get through this. What is this guy`s past record? What is -- do you know anything about this judge? Do we any evidence there`s been something of a corrupt nature going on here? Do we know anything? Because I can`t believe this was a dispassionate opinion of a judge sitting at the bench.
BERRY: Yes, Judge Boyle, this woman, her clerk`s office came out with a statement saying she can`t discuss her cases, so she won`t be granting any interviews. So, we`ll never really know what was going through her mind.
But keep in mind here, this is a judge that had a kid seeing before -- that was not an honor role student, that was not, you know, a clean slate kid. He had two previous possessions of alcohol. He had that case you were talking about that he woke up when he was 15 years old with a naked girl in his car completely drunk.
PINSKY: Why wasn`t that a sexual -- a sexual harassment --
PINSKY: We`re going to report on a 6-year-old kissing a little girl`s hand. That became a sexual harassment issue. This guy because he`s rich can sit with a 13 year old when he`s 15? I can`t make sense of this.
ODUOLOWU: The law seems to be the theater of the absurd. We`re calling a 6 year old a sex offender and a murdering teenager who is behind the wheel of a car underage drinking gets, what, club med?
PINSKY: Yes, listen --
BERRY: One more point, because you may wonder what the families` reaction was to this because they must be more outraged than we were, and one of the mothers of the victims said he may walk free but he will have to answer to God. I think that may be is where she finds her peace and that is something that -- there you go.
PINSKY: I find no peace with that.
ODUOLOWU: I want a pound of flesh. I want a pound of flesh.
PINSKY: I just -- listen, it helps me help people who have a problems with drug and alcohol to know there`s a sword of Damocles that will come down if they cross over and hurt other people, because it`s then out of my hands. It`s not a treatment. It`s not a therapeutic process. By the way, the fact that environment, whether it`s a poor environment or rich environment, brings people to where they are in the present, that`s an explanation. That`s not a justification.
It`s not a justification for this. It should not be used in court. It`s insanity that we`re at this point.
And I`m deep -- Mark Geragos, I was on Anderson Cooper a few minutes ago and Mark Geragos said, well, there are two systems -- one for wealthy people and one for poor. And why are we not outraged about that?
For God`s sakes, my profession has -- I don`t want to get into it. I`m done. I`m out. I`m out. I`m out.
HUTT: Are you sure, Dr. Drew?
PINSKY: I can`t even think straight. Yes, Jenny, I`m out.
PINSKY: I want to get to it the little boy that kissed the little girl`s hand. I`m equally upset about that.
HUTT: As I am. It`s absurd.
PINSKY: Thank you.
Thank you, panel.
Before I get to the little boy, though, I want to go review a video of a woman crossing a street who gets hit by a police car and she herself is going to join me. And she had quite some serious injuries.
Later, that 6-year-old boy I was talking about accused of sexual harassment. There he is. That`s my sexual -- that`s my rapist right there. There he is.
HUTT: That little deviant.
PINSKY: He`s going to tell us in his own words what happened that day. And there`s a lot to that story.
I`ll be back in a moment.
PINSKY: Back with Jenny Hutt.
And, Jenny, I want to share a tweet with you that I caught my attention. And it`s from Carrie Carnage. "God bless US of A, where the wealthy are the puppet masters and justice is bought and sold."
And, Jenny, you are an attorney. Aren`t you embarrassed by this?
HUTT: Yes, I`m mortified. But, look, I don`t like the blanket statement that all rich people get off and all poor people get sent to jail for eternity, but this is clearly an injustice and disgusting.
PINSKY: All right. So, let`s see what our system can do to adjust. We live in the world right now. This is where I like social media at the moment. People can`t hide. So, we`re going to bring some of that stuff to light hopefully on this program.
And I`m asking the state of Texas, the attorney general, to see what they can do about this the way that Florida stepped up in Trayvon Martin. Maybe make this right so we don`t have to be so disgusted.
All right. Now, I want to switch gears and go to a police dash cam video from YouTube. It has gone viral. It`s a cruiser making a left turn when suddenly the policeman hits a woman in the crosswalk.
Oh my God, she goes flying. You see her there. She has survived. She is OK. She will be with us in just a moment.
But, first, I want to bring in a behavioral bureau beginning with Samantha Schacher, host of "Pop Trigger" on Young Turks Network, and also the centerpiece of a meme that is catching on viral video right now, viral social media. I suggest you check out our Instagram feed.
SAMANTHA SCHACHER, POP TRIGGER: Oh my gosh.
PINSKY: You`ll see it later on the show.
Also, I`ve got Jennifer Keitt, life coach and radio host. Judy Ho, clinical psychologist, and Erica America, Z100 Radio personality and psychotherapist.
And reminder, if you want to join our conversation, you can tweet us right now @DrDrewHLN #behaviorbureau.
The officer himself was charged with a so-called failure to yield offense. He paid 135 --
HUTT: You think?
SCHACHER: Oh my gosh.
PINSKY: It`s fancy for "I hit somebody." He paid a fine, $135. He had involved in another crash just two days before.
So, Judy Ho, I would like to open the behavior bureau with question of sick or sad. Any evidence of sickness in that poor cop or is this just a sad story?
JUDY HO, PSYCHOLOGIST: I think it`s just a sad story because it sounds like he was responding to a distress call. So, he may not have had all his wits about him. He actually says, you know what, I didn`t see her at all.
So, he should be driving more carefully absolutely but I think it`s too early for us to diagnose him.
PINSKY: Go ahead, Sam.
SCHACHER: OK, Dr. Drew, I`m infuriated by this because, listen, he`s a police officer and it`s his job to be an advocate for safety. It`s ironic that he`s the one that`s actually causing harm amongst this girl Carolyn. Thank God she`s OK.
But it`s not like Carolyn darted -- hold on, Carolyn is OK. She`s still literally -- OK. She`s alive. It`s not like that Carolyn darted out into the street. She`s walking in a crosswalk. Anybody that gets behind the wheel should be aware and careful when they approach crosswalks.
PINSKY: All right. Let`s table that conversation for a second. You mentioned Carolyn Welker. I want to bring her in here to the conversation.
Carolyn, who was the woman we`re seeing in this dash cam video.
Carolyn, how are you doing?
CAROLYN WELKER, HIT BY POLICE (via telephone): You know, I`m doing better.
PINSKY: What were the injuries that you suffered?
WELKER: I have a really severe concussion. I have -- like an ear -- my ear got scraped on the road when I fell and just more scratches but really I just was very, very sore all over.
PINSKY: You`re a basketball player, right? You`re the team captain?
WELKER: Yes. I`m one of the team captains, yes.
PINSKY: Have you been able to make your way back or is the head injury too severe yet to really --
WELKER: No, it`s too severe currently.
HUTT: Oh, wow.
WELKER: I just missed my third game tonight. We actually had a home game. I wasn`t able to make it because of the light and sound is too much for me right now.
PINSKY: OK. So, she had a severe concussion. Just to clarify for the audience. She had a severe concussion so she`s having the sort of post-concussive syndrome, where you can have slept disturbances, mood disturbances, trouble with lights and sounds, trouble thinking and concentrating. She probably out of school, too, is that right, Carolyn?
WELKER: Yes, I had to miss the past two weeks. I`m missing finals. So --
PINSKY: Well, take your time, my dear. Give yourself enough time to heal. It takes a while.
Sam, you had a question for Carolyn.
SCHACHER: Yes, Carolyn, I want to know, has the officer reached out to you? Has he offered to pay his medical bills? Has he reached out for moral support? Anything?
WELKER: The officer has not. The chief of police actually came over to my house and, you know, apologized for the incident and he warned us that the dash cam video had gone -- it was public record and we were just watching the news because my dad was interviewed and they played it on the news. I wasn`t planning on seeing it. I ended up seeing it.
PINSKY: OK, I want to warn you that we replayed it too. If it retraumatizes you, please don`t watch. It`s pretty intense. So, please do not watch.
I`m wondering if any of the panel has question for Carolyn.
JENNIFER KEITT, LIFE COACH: Yes, at this point, I`m kind of wondering -- does she have a prognosis? How long do you think it`s going to be that you`re going to be out?
PINSKY: I will answer that for her. I don`t know her but post- concussion can be very prodiant (ph), difficult predict. It could be six weeks, six months. What are they telling you, Carolyn?
WELKER: Currently, my doctor told me this week it would probably be a month until I could do regular activities so basketball is definitely far away from now.
PINSKY: Erica, any comments or questions?
ERICA AMERICA, RADIO PERSONALITY: Yes, I was going to say a comment. Of course, Carolyn, it`s sad to see what happened to you as in any accident and of course because you`re a basketball player and you can`t play.
But I want to say is an accident is an accident no matter who is the victim, and who is the perpetrator. If it was reversed, he would want the law to be kind of applied in the same way. If it really finds he didn`t have any alcohol in him, he didn`t have any drugs, and it was what he did and we do look back at the prior incident, I think that`s very important to see a pattern.
PINSKY: I think you`re right. We have the same conclusion that we are at, which is not a sick situation, just a sad situation. It`s just an accident per se.
Caroline, do you harbor any resentments or an unfortunate circumstances?
WELKER: I just feel it`s really unfortunate that he didn`t see me. I am very fortunate that I have no broken bones and I`m OK. So, we`re really grateful that I`m OK.
PINSKY: Well, you`re going to be fine. I guarantee it. It just takes time. It`s hard to predict exactly how long. But I appreciate you coming in here and talking to us.
Thank you, panel.
WELKER: Thank you so much.
PINSKY: You betcha, my dear.
Next up, a 6-year-old boy kisses a girl`s hand and gets accused of sexual harassment. There he is. That`s the rapist. That`s the harasser. There he is. He looks devious to me.
Later, this photo of a supermodel is breastfeeding while getting her hair and makeup done, the picture, while it`s even more infamous meme circulating around with Sam Schacher, I`m just saying. It has a lot of people talking. We`ll hear what my panel has to say about it after this.
PINSKY: Back with Jenny Hutt. A kiss on the hand has one little boy in big trouble.
Six-year-old Hunter accused of sexual harassment and suspended from school for kissing his classroom crush. I`m going to let him explain what happened, Jenny, because I guarantee you that he`s going to make more sense than the adults did.
HUTT: For sure.
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HUNTER, 6-YEAR-OLD: It was during class, yes. We were doing reading group and I leaned over and kissed her on the hand.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She was fine with it. They are boyfriend and girlfriends. The other children saw it and went to the music teacher.
HUNTER: I did something wrong. She sent me to the office fair and square. I feel sorry.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is taking it to an extreme that doesn`t need to be met with a 6 year old.
Now, my son is asking questions. What is sex, mommy?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Have you been trying to be good at school?
HUNTER: Yes. But I have a lot of energy. I mean, 6 year olds, they have a lot of energy.
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HUTT: I love him.
PINSKY: I`m speechless. I`m speechless.
Let`s bring in the panel, Segun, Greg, Areva, Lynn.
Greg, you`re bursting.
GRUNBERG: I`m going crazy, Dr. Drew.
ODUOLOWU: Yes, Greg, do it, man.
GRUNBERG: OK. Let me tell you something. First of all, this kid -- I mean, the school officials -- this is way out of proportion.
PINSKY: I know what we need to do. We need to make him a judge in Texas.
PINSKY: That`s what we need to do.
Better judgment than most adults I`m talking about tonight.
GRUNBERG: And, by the way, if everything that kids are exposed to, I have three boys. I watch a baseball game and I have to explain to them why they have to call a doctor if they get an erection lasting more than four hours.
Things are out there. This kid is exposed to things. This kid is going to go to a baseball game and why is it called a kiss cam and why isn`t it called a sexual harassment cam?
These teachers and this principal are out of their mind.
ODUOLOWU: Now, in all fairness --
PINSKY: Fairness? You`re a teacher, my friend. So, let`s speak from that expertise.
ODUOLOWU: In all fairness, there is behavior that`s appropriate and inappropriate in schools.
ODUOLOWU: The fact that he kissed the young girl on the hand and has kissed her on the cheek, we need to teach the kid what is improper conduct but to classify --
HUTT: Oh, come on!
ODUOLOWU: I`m being serious. What you have not heard in all of the kid`s statement as smart and well said as they are is what the little girl felt because the kids in the classroom --
GRUNBERG: No, no, you have heard that. We heard that. It didn`t bother her. The mother said that.
ODUOLOWU: No, no, hold on. We heard a mother say that.
PINSKY: I`m going to ask you guys to table that. I`m going to get into that in detail in the behavior bureau. Well, hold off on that conversation.
ODUOLOWU: As a former teacher, there is behavior that is inappropriate in the classroom and labeling this kid as a sexual offender or sexual harassment is ridiculous. We can all see that. But teach him. Where is his father?
PINSKY: Areva, first.
MARTIN: I don`t want to get too technical but sexual harassment assumes that there`s some unwelcome conduct. There is something in the law called horseplay, kids just playing around. Even adults in the workplace with horse around. It`s not sexual harassment.
So, teachers, learn the appropriate language for this conduct. Sexual harassment has no place in a classroom of kindergartners or first graders. Get rid of it. It doesn`t belong.
PINSKY: Yes. And, Lynn, my concern is if a little child experiences any bodily boundary violation like being too close, that`s often the problem with the kid who has the problem. Some adult violated those boundaries in some way.
Lynn, are there anymore details in this case that can help us make sense of it?
BERRY: Well, Segun, you make a good point, because the school is saying that we`re not just worried about the boy who they say kissed the little girl and that made him a sexual harasser, which is ridiculous. But also about the little girl who they`re saying had unwanted advances.
So, apparently, he`s done this a couple times.
BERRY: Hold on though. Hold on.
ODUOLOWU: Speak the gospel, Lynn. Speak the gospel.
BERRY: I`m saying hold on. That`s what you do when a kid -- when they hit kids you set them aside and have a conversation with them. You don`t label them abusers.
BERRY: But here`s my issue with the story that people aren`t talking about. Why is mom labeling them boyfriend and girlfriend?
ODUOLOWU: Thank you.
BERRY: Six year olds should never be given that thought of that label.
ODUOLOWU: That doesn`t make it OK.
PINSKY: Hang on.
GRUNBERG: She did not label -- she was quoting her son. That`s a term that he used. Are you kidding?
BERRY: That`s an adult thing.
PINSKY: This is the point is that boyfriend and girlfriend means something very different to a 6 year old than a 26 year old.
PINSKY: It`s OK for them to use that language without us having to superimpose a plumbing lesson on what it is that`s happening here.
ODUOLOWU: Dr. Drew, you`re not being fair. If that little kid feels boyfriend and girlfriend means something different, he still tried to kiss her.
PINSKY: He needs a child psychiatrist at that point.
ODUOLOWU: He knows boyfriends and girlfriends kiss and that`s what he tried to do.
ODUOLOWU: I`m not trying to label him as bad. But he knows enough to want to kiss the girl and say he had a crush on her. He knows that.
PINSKY: All right. Let me read a statement from the school superintendent who tells HLN, quote, "The story is not just about the student disciplined, it`s also about the student receiving unwanted advances. We have to think about both students in the situation."
Which is Segun`s point, which is Lynn`s point, and I understand that.
And let`s be fair. Maybe this kid was a repeat offender.
HUTT: Come on.
PINSKY: I can`t believe I`m using that language.
But, Jenny, you have recently a little girl in your household. Your daughter is how old now?
HUTT: Well, now, she`s 13.
PINSKY: No, no. But I mean, recently, she was a little girl. Would she talk about, oh, Sam being my boyfriend. They use that kind of language --
HUTT: But she got called to the principal`s office with me because in third grade, she liked a boy a little too much and he got freaked out. And my daughter is perfectly normal and healthy and then we talked about it. They`re just kids. This little boy is a kid.
PINSKY: Wait a minute, you had basically the same thing happen to you, but your daughter was called the offender?
HUTT: She`s a bit of a hussy.
GRUNBERG: Little girls are way more advanced than boys.
AREVA MARTIN, ATTORNEY: Look at the language even the superintendent is using. Unwanted advances. Where are they getting this language from? He kissed her hand. He didn`t go up her dress or --
MARTIN: That`s a gentleman in my book.
PINSKY: I need to bring in "Behavior Bureau" for me. I need some treatment right now, OK. So, I`m going to bring in the "Behavior Bureau." They`ll have a chance to discuss this story, but I need help. I need some help. But Jenny, you stay with me, too. Although, I`m a little concerned about your daughter right now. You can help me out a little bit.
PINSKY: You`ve at least been through this.
Later, this photo of a Gisele Bundchen breastfeeding her baby has more than 100,000 likes in Instagram. It`s been tweeted, re-tweeted, plaster all over the place. You can see people are saying, and you can see what our own Sam Schacher`s response to that picture is after this.
PINSKY: Back with Jenny, and thanks goodness, a "Behavior Bureau," Sam, Jennifer, Judy and Erica. And Jenny, don`t think you`re going to escape this. I think you need a little "Behavior Bureau" intervention yourself just saying.
PINSKY: -- in the last segment. If you all want to join our conversation, tweet us right now at @DrDrewHLN #behaviorbureau. I`ve got a tweet coming up. We`re talking about the six-year-old suspended from school for kissing his classmate on the hand. Now, he`s got sexual harassment on his school record. Here is the tweet from Brian Hoskinds. Put that up there if you could.
"With that young boy kissing little girl`s hand, isn`t that what a real gentleman does? It`s all innocent."
PINSKY: So, you guys, my opening statement is always, is this little boy sick or are we all just sad? And by the way, I want to say something. The little boy self-diagnosed by telling us - Judy, help me refine (ph) this. He goes, "I`m so active. I have so much energy." He`s kind of telling us he may have a little ADD or something there, right?
JUDY HO, PH.D., @DRJUDYHO: You know what, Dr. Drew, this sounds like a very self-aware kid. OK? At six-year-old, he`s actually talking about himself this way. He has self-recognition. You know, what`s going on with the school?
I understand that they`re trying to take protective mechanisms, but don`t we have enough problems at the school, real problems, like bullying, you know, God forbid, shootings. I mean, why are they going after this little kid because he has a crush? What`s going on here?
PINSKY: And Erica, my concern -- hang on, Sam. Erica, my concern is that if that girl, the little girl really did feel as though this was a sexual advance, that child needs to be evaluated for having -- I`m not saying -- this is not anything. I`m not making an allegation against that child. I`m just saying when you have a child that sees sexualization in what is a normal interaction with a same-age child, you worry that an adult has had at that kid. Do you agree with me?
ERICA AMERICA, Z100 RADIO PERSONALITY: Yes. Well, I absolutely do. I think that this is political correctness gone way too far in the school, but what I will say is if there was some issue about what happened, there should have been some type of psychological testing or at least a meeting with both the girl and boy to see what was going on here. Instead, he`s on the news and we`re all saying, basically, this was innocent.
And that is what I believe it is in this case. But I don`t think it`s safe to say, oh no matter what, all six year olds are innocent 100 percent no matter what.
PINSKY: -- child on child sexual abuse is a massive, massive problem. Again, when an adult gets to a child, the child acts out on other children. Absolutely, there have to be -- absolutely on top of that.
AMERICA: It didn`t seem like they looked into this.
PINSKY: I agree with you. Sam, what do you want to say?
SAMANTHA SCHACHER, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: This is outrageous. This school superintendent should be suspended for such a ridiculous punishment.
PINSKY: His name Hunter (ph), he needs to be -- he needs to replace (ph) an adult in this thing.
SCHACHER: He`s a predator. But this is absolutely insane. And I think they`re actually robbing these kids of some problem solving skills at a really young age. If this girl was somehow offended by being kissed on the hand, you know what? That`s when she tells this little boy, hey, I don`t like that or she goes and tells the children. This is the time where the kids learn. And instead, they`re taking away this opportunity for them. It`s ridiculous.
PINSKY: Right. And Jennifer, let`s -- Erica brought up really interesting point here. Again, that idea that child -- if an adult has sexually abused a child, they will act out on other children and they will also experience normative kinds of interaction as sexualized. Can you put a little finer point on that for us?
JENNIFER KEITT, JENNIFERKEITT.COM: Yes, but you know, Dr. Drew, I look at this and I see the teacher missed a really good opportunity right here to kind of put the situation under control before they drag in the school board and the superintendent, et cetera. What she missed here was the opportunity to teach, was the opportunity to bring parents together.
When my daughter was three years old, my teacher pulled me aside and said she bit somebody today. I was mortified. But the reality of it was I was able to -- she pulled me aside. I was able to go to that student`s parent and say, look, I am sorry and I nipped it in the bud. And she missed this opportunity here as far as I`m concerned to be able to help this kid along.
PINSKY: Speaking of opportunities, I`m having a problem today, and your my "Behavior Bureau." And Jenny, I know you got some issues, too, so let`s get in this. I`m feeling outraged. I`m frustrated. I was learned in therapy to talk about my feelings first. I`m feeling resentful of what I`m reporting today. Judy, can you help me? Erica? I`m not regulating my emotions well. I feel like I might act out here right in front of camera. Can anybody --
HUTT: How so?
HO: Dr. Drew, you know, self-awareness is the first step just like this little kid and you have self-awareness --
HUTT: I have too much energy.
HO: So, good for you. But, you know, I think with this kid right here, you know, when you were talking earlier about the sexualized behaviors and what that means, what is the intent behind him kissing this girl on the hand. It seems like everybody believes it`s innocent. It`s not sexualizing that everybody is putting together in their mind.
PINSKY: Yes, agreed.
HO: So, this is kind of what`s going on. I think the kid might need a little bit more education.
PINSKY: And Judy, now, I`m feeling -- now, you just made me feel disgust on top of my anxiety and my frustration. Jenny, you were the one actually pulled into the principal`s office. Don`t you need a little help from the "Behavior Bureau," too?
HUTT: No, I don`t, because, first of all, I have to tell you guys. There was back story that this was a kid who needed extra compassion and she was giving him extra attention because he`d gone through a lot of trauma. And I explained to her that she had to be careful --
PINSKY: We`re talking about your daughter now. Your daughter now?
HUTT: Yes. Yes, yes -- who is just the most delicious, delightful healthy girl with healthy boundaries today at 13. So, this is no big deal.
KEITT: And I think that`s what --
PINSKY: Jenny -- Jennifer.
KEITT: That`s what we want to do. We want to keep this healthy. We want to actually keep innocence in the opportunity for children to actually be innocent, and we are absolutely crazy.
PINSKY: Sam, take it home, because you`re up next in the pictures that people not going to want to miss.
SCHACHER: Oh, gosh. OK. Well, I -- fine. We have that picture to look forward to. But in the meantime, Dr. Drew, I wanted to know what are some of the consequences for this kid to be labeled as some sort of sexual predator?
PINSKY: How do we even know?
SCHACHER: That`s insane.
PINSKY: This is a brand new phenomenon as far as I know calling six- year-olds sexual predators.
All right. I got to take a break. Next up, pictures posted by supermodel, Gisele Bundchen, completely different story. It`s lit up on social media. We have our own response. Well, you`ll see.
And later, a father`s unforgettable reaction to his son`s math test score caught on video. You will not want to miss it, and we will be right back.
PINSKY: Back with my co-host, Jenny. We still got Areva, Greg, and Samantha.
Now, this Instagram photo posted by model, Gisele Bundchen, is creating a lot of buzz. She, in this photo, is nursing her baby while surrounded by stylists. The caption she wrote states, quote, "What would I do without this beauty squad after the 15 hours flying and only three hours of sleep #multitasking #gettingready."
Now, tens of thousands are responding. For instance, this is from @AliciaKline tweeted, "Thank you for normalizing breastfeeding. Love the shot." So, there was that kind of response. But there was also some would like, for instance, "That`s so mean." Melissa, tweeted "I see five people doing one job each breastfeeding while working at your desk typing with two other kids, that`s multitasking." Areva, what do you think?
MARTIN: I don`t know her definition of multitasking, but when I think about it, Dr. Drew, I`m at home vacuuming. I am trying to get dinner on the table. I`m answering e-mails. I`m trying to do homework. So, her definition, I don`t think matches most every day women, working women. That`s not how we multitask with the glam squad.
PINSKY: I think, Areva, that`s right. I think that`s people reacting to. And Greg, she`s more like a spa treatment rather than multitasking.
GRUNBERG: Yes, but she`s not like most women. I mean, this is her job. She`s showing that her priorities are in the right place. Look, her baby is not at home. Her baby is with her. She`s doing the right thing. She`s breastfeeding. If anything, I think, babies around the country are complaining to their moms going, why doesn`t my boob look like that? Come on. I think this is a wonderful thing. I really do.
PINSKY: So, women who engage in that kind of multitasking have their priorities straight. Let`s look at what our own Samantha Schacher`s response to Ms. Bundchen`s Instagram is. Let`s see here. Put that -- oh, there we go. Sam, your priorities must be straight according to Greg.
SCHACHER: It takes a village, Dr. Drew. What can I say?
PINSKY: I particularly like Greg`s poise (ph) taking care of your hair there.
SCHACHER: Yes. And what is Segun looking at? Geez!
HUTT: I just want to know, is that an American girl baby? What is that.
SCHACHER: That is. That is my Samantha doll that`s been in a chest for like two decades.
PINSKY: Well, thank you. That is on Instagram @DrDrewHLN. But, in all seriousness, I want to bring in Jamie Lynn Grumet. Her image breastfeeding her three-year-old son was featured on the cover of "Time" magazine. You all remember that from earlier last year. Jamie, I wanted to give you a chance to respond to Gisele`s photo. Is that moving the conversation forward or is that undermining it in some way?
VOICE OF JAMIE GRUMET, BREASTFEEDING ADVOCATE: Oh, no. I think it`s definitely moving it forward. I think the criticism even what I`ve heard is tying into paid maternity leave in the U.S. and the lack of it. So, we hear I can`t bring my baby to work.
And, I think that that`s a real serious conversation that we need to have and even though this picture is really fun and kind of silly in its own way, you look at countries like Scandinavia and they have the highest breastfeeding rates in the developed world and they also have the longest and highest mandatory paid parental leave in the developed world.
So, I think that we need -- I think that this is actually starting that conversation a little bit in its own way. So, she`s normalizing breastfeeding and then even the criticism, I think, we need to take it seriously and look at what we`re not doing right in our country.
PINSKY: A lot of talk about Sweden these days in terms of crime rates and parental leave. It`s very interesting. And Jamie, since you were on the cover of "Time" magazine, have things sort of settled down?
GRUMET: Oh, yes. It`s actually -- it`s great, because we`ve been able to -- we`ve heard so many really amazing things for nutrition in developing areas of the world and, yes, yes. And it`s totally normal back over here. So, it`s great.
PINSKY: Good to hear from you again. Greg, you want to finish this up real quick?
GRUNBERG: Yes. I was just going to say I think she`s absolutely right, to get the conversation going. I mean, epilepsy, you know, is my big cause.
GRUNBERG: And my website is talk about it. So, in any way that we can talk about, you know, breastfeeding which I think is a fantastic thing.
PINSKY: Parental leave is a good conversation, too. I agree with you. Listen, kids need their parents around for long periods of time. And remember, guys, you can see that picture of Sam, not Gisele, on Instagram at @DrDrewHLN.
Next up, a video you`ve got to see. A kid catches his dad`s unforgettable reaction to his -- there he is -- his math score. He gives it to his dad and dad has quite a reaction. Back after this.
PINSKY: Back with my co-host, Jenny. Also, Areva, Greg, and Samantha join us.
Now, we look at a student from Britain who knew his dad would be very happy that he finally earned a passing grade in math. So, he secretly set up his computer to tape the moment. I want you all to watch it.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Aria.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What`s happening?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I need you to come in here.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did something happen?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. I`ve got something from school. I need you to look at it.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is that real?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is that real?!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My God!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh my God!
PINSKY: His grade had gone from failing to passing. That`s been viewed more than four million times on YouTube. Greg, I know you had a very personal reaction to this.
GRUNBERG: Yes. I mean, I have to be honest. I mean, it`s a joke when I say it, but I feel like this dad actually underreacted. I`m a dad.
GRUNBERG: I have -- you know, my wife and I are so -- it`s everything. You know as a dad and such a beautiful family, this is the most important thing. It`s the only thing that matters in life. And so, these little moments are just so wonderful. And I actually -- I took video of something that my son did and a lot of parents see this stuff. I send it to your staff.
PINSKY: Oh there it is.
GRUNBERG: Listen to me.
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GRUNBERG: Oh, yes!
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GRUNBERG: This is my 10-year-old Sam hitting a home run in little league. And I happen to be videotaping. I don`t usually -- I`m ridiculous.
PINSKY: You`re the crazy guy in the background yelling?
GRUNBERG: I`m holding the camera screaming my head off. And, I`m telling you, these are the moments when it`s all -- everything we do, all the work we do and you`re trying to do the best for your kid. This kid got a C on his test. He got a fail and then he brought it up to a C. He doesn`t have to take math anymore. I`m so happy for him.
PINSKY: There`s a lot of mommy communing goes on on television. I`m with you. Never happier than sitting watching little league with my boys. So much fun. It`s the best. Sorry, ladies. We`re cutting you out of this one.
PINSKY: But it is kind of cool to see this. These are happy stories. This has been more therapeutic for me than the darn "Behavior Bureau" guys, I`m sorry. Sam, you`re the only representative here of that "Behavior Bureau." You guys did not help me.
SCHACHER: I loved this video. I`m sorry. But my heart bursts, Dr. Drew, when I watched this. And I have to tell you, sorry for not helping you. I just caught that.
SCHACHER: But it`s so cute because this kid now has his own YouTube channel and his dad is starring in some of the videos and there`s a whole video about his dad`s laugh, and literally, his dad`s laughter. They say laughter is the best medicine. Listen to his dad`s laugh. I feel like it could cure any illness. It`s just fantastic.
PINSKY: Areva, any last comment?
MARTIN: You know, the dad is so happy but look at how happy the son is that he`s making his dad happy. Just a heartwarming story for the holidays.
MARTIN: Perfect way to end a very important day for dad and a son and a family.
PINSKY: And we`ve had a lot of rough conversation. I`m glad we ended with this. Thank you all. "Last Call" is next.
MARTIN: Great story.
PINSKY: Time for our "Last Call." And Jenny, I`ll hand it over to you.
HUTT: I just want to say, Dr. Drew, I think you handled your emotions beautifully tonight and thank you for expressing yourself to everybody. That`s healthy.
PINSKY: Speaking of expressing, I`ve got another tweet I want to share with you to book end (ph) this full conversation. I believe humor is a nice way to deal with emotion. So, here`s from Jenn K (INAUDIBLE) That sentence back -- the earlier sentence, way back at the beginning of the program, the judge that let off that kid that killed four people, this tweeter says the judge must have been smoking crack with Mayor Ford to come to that decision.
PINSKY: Tying together all our stories all into one, but that story for me again just a reminder, the take home I hope people get from the story is, please, everybody, I have deep empathy and sympathy for people who have got these issues with substance and mental health. Get help before you hurt yourself, before you hurt somebody else. You`re not responsible for your disorder. You`re responsible for your recovery.
Thank you so much, Jenny. Thank you so much for watching. Thank you all my panelists. "What Would You Do?" starts right now.