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PIERS MORGAN LIVE

Losing It: America's Fat Obsession

Aired January 10, 2014 - 21:00   ET

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PIERS MORGAN, CNN ANCHOR: This is Piers Morgan Live special, Losing It, America's Fat Obsession. Welcome to our viewers here in United States and around the world and to my studio audience.

Tonight, the weight of a nation. First thing is what seems like an estimated 90 million Americans are now obese. (inaudible) and who's to blame and what's to be done. Tonight, the answers you need, the solutions that should work, all in tonight's special report, Losing It, America's Fat Obsession.

Good evening. You're going to like counting calories, but here are numbers that are tough to swallow. Well, the 78 million adults and more than 12.5 million children are obese in America right now. Although there are also some encouraging signs that that trends is reversing in the youngest of children. But do extreme measures work and do (ph) for Governor Chris Christie is heading down since undergoing lap-band surgery back in February. Now, there's Hillary Clinton, the Republican consulting a diet guru President Clinton has also worked with, looking to stay fit for a possible White House run in 2016.

Well, what should the rest of us do tonight? We're here to help the doctors, experts, and personal trainers, including the one working with new mom, Kim Kardashian, and she's got some stories to tell. Let's get started with my favorite subject, food, would be now. Celebrity chef and New York Time's best selling author, Rocco Dispirito offer of Now Eat Italian.

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MORGAN: Just quickly, we put you to a test because I thought this guy Rocco ...

ROCCO DISPIRITO, CHEF, TV HOST: All right.

MORGAN: ... he's a good looking guy and he cooks Italian food. So, I'm going to put him to the real test. How to make me eat low-calorie food and actually enjoy it? Do you send rounds (ph) to my apartment in New York all these stuff until one ...

(CROSSTALK)

MORGAN: Right. And I thought this is weird. This has got popcorn, it's got caramel, it's got chocolates. DISPIRITO: It looks like chocolates, it looks like the worst food you can eat, right?

MORGAN: It's like pasta. It looks like a stuff that would pile on to pounds. Let's just go through the total here. What was the total calorie?

DISPIRITO: Let's see if the audience can guess how many calories in all of these foods. Six meals, how many calories? Tangerine, how many?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: 500.

DISPIRITO: No, come on.

MORGAN: Yeah, be serious.

DISPIRITO: Andrei, how many?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: 50.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: 2,500.

DISPIRITO: 2,500 is close sir.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: 2,950.

DISPIRITO: In fact, it's only 850 calories. 850 calories.

MORGAN: That is an amazing thing.

DISPIRITO: All of these.

MORGAN: Yeah. And I have to say this also. And I'm not saying it -- but I've never met you before. I've been on some of these things before and, you know, you get set this sort of food by these diet companies. And it would ...

DISPIRITO: Right, right, with diet delivery service.

MORGAN: And it taste horrible.

DISPIRITO: The problem with diet food is that it tastes like diet food that's why no one wants to be on a diet. As you know, America's Got Talents and we are the world champs in obesity. We are the number one most obese country in the world. In some statistics, you may not know, 67 percent of Americans are overweight. Half of those people are obese.

One in four children by the end of this decade would be considered obese. More Americans die of obesity related illnesses than everything else combined.

MORGAN: This is scary.

DISPIRITO: It is time to do something about this. We spend more money on our healthcare system than the entire GDP of France. Think about that.

MORGAN: Amazing.

DISPIRITO: And we're getting nowhere. We're getting nowhere.

(CROSSTALK)

DISPIRITO: Yeah, let's go through this.

MORGAN: The food that you sent me because I was fascinated by the quality of the food to taste. It was incredibly tasty. I really enjoyed all of it and I ate all of these. But let's go through and as you do the -- that you would presume the calorie count would be. Well, what it actually was?

DISPIRITO: So, this a high protein chocolate smoothy. A great thing to start in morning. A smoothy, right, most smoothies are full of fat and sugar. This one is sugar and fat free, has 30 grams of protein which is the right amount of protein to start your day with, would normally be about 500. This one's only 198.

MORGAN: All right.

DISPIRITO: 3 grams of fat.

MORGAN: And it's really good.

DISPIRITO: This is an omelet. You like ham, you like cheese. I made you ham and cheese omelet.

MORGAN: Yeah.

DISPIRITO: It's made with egg whites. Normally, about 500 calories. 85 calories for this one.

MORGAN: Yeah, amazing.

DISPIRITO: 85 calories.

MORGAN: And it was improperly a tasty food.

DISPIRITO: And then I made you a beaten gorgonzola salad which has got walnuts and cheese and balsamic vinegar and that's normally 840, now only 237. And then I gave spaghetti (inaudible). So, yes.

MORGAN: That's my favorite Italian dish. And normally, you assume a lot of calories, right?

DISPIRITO: Well, normally, the pasta is made with flour which is almost 300 calories in and of itself. This pasta is actually, it's pureed chicken breast. Pureed chicken breast mixed with egg white powder and water, squeeze bottled into hot water, turned into noodles. This is 100 percent protein, carb-free possible (inaudible).

MORGAN: How many calories?

DISPIRITO: OK, so that would be about 710. It's now 190 calories carb-free.

MORGAN: And tasty.

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DISPIRITO: These numbers don't matter if it doesn't taste good. There's plenty of healthy food out there but taste awful. And that's the reason no one wants to eat it.

MORGAN: Now, let's get through the reality of this which is that if you that in a restaurant, you will give a certain price, well, we call it a money for that quality of food.

DISPIRITO: That's right.

MORGAN: What can you prepare over (inaudible) if you're at home? And that's something we're thinking ...

DISPIRITO: I'll give you the before and after numbers. If you're going to buy this, it would be $6 to $10. We made it for $2.92. If you're going to buy this omelet, it'd be about anywhere from $6 to $9. We made it for a $1.88. If you were going to buy this in a restaurant, at least $12. If you went to some of the east side (ph) place, maybe $35. We made it for $4.43.

So, this myth that is highly annoying to me that healthy is expensive. It's time to bust the myth that healthy is expensive.

MORGAN: Well, the critical thing to me, Rocco, about you ...

DISPIRITO: ... less expensive.

MORGAN: Right. Those numbers don't get you wrong. I was fascinated by how tasty the food was. That to me was to real decide, had it being quite bland, I just said too, you know what, this is why I can't do this.

DISPIRITO: Right.

MORGAN: This is why I'll carry on spending ...

DISPIRITO: Or you would have married Italian. I get it. I know. I understand. I wouldn't be here right now.

MORGAN: But it was genuinely tasty food and very low calorie and very low cost if you do it at home. How do you persuade America and Americans who, from my experience as a Brit coming here, eat gargantuan portions of everything? Cheese has to be on everything. Potatoes come with everything even when you don't order it. Everything is huge and vast let the country itself. How do you culturally change that kind of thinking and the fast food epidemic and so on to get them to start to cook at home in a way that can produce this kind of result?

DISPIRITO: It's an unbelievably difficult question to answer, but I think what we're doing right now is part of it. We need a cultural revolution. The hippies did it in the '60s with sex. They also did with food, by the way. They cooked home-grown, locally made food.

MORGAN: You have better sex or your food, Rocco?

DISPIRITO: I'll tell you what, the reasons I got obvious is my sex wasn't as good as it should be. I went to the doctor, he's like, "Well, you're about 40 pounds overweight ...

MORGAN: Let me get to this.

DISPIRITO: Yeah.

MORGAN: One (ph) faster, so, how old are you?

DISPIRITO: I'm 46 years old.

MORGAN: Right, you're 46. I'm 48. I look about like your grand dad. So, let start again. I'm seeing (ph) these difference. You're 6 foot, 1 right?

DISPIRITO: Right. 6 foot, 1.

MORGAN: I'm 6 foot, 1 too.

DISPIRITO: OK.

MORGAN: You were -- your heaviest, how much?

DISPIRITO: Almost 230, 228, yeah.

MORGAN: I'm about 218, right, but the too -- still too heavy.

DISPIRITO: And about 28 percent body fat.

MORGAN: Right, and you had a medical where it said, sort of (inaudible) high blood pressure.

DISPIRITO: ... do the numbers, you're in deep, you know what. Writing prescriptions literally takes us things like, OK, you need this for your high blood pressure, you need this for your cholesterol, you need this other one for your high blood pressure, and he starts talking about side effects. It shocked the hell out of me.

MORGAN: And what did you do?

DISPIRITO: I was 35 years old, and I was already being told that I'm in health danger of heart disease. And as he's writing these and handing it to me, I was like, out of desperations, like, "What else can I do?" And he said, "Well, you can try diet or exercise, but here you go, no one ever does that." And I thought -- it was an epiphany for me. I was like, "Keep those. I'm going to try it. I'm really going to try it." It's like no one does it. Everyone says they're going to do it.

A year later, I did iron man 70.3 and (inaudible). And I finished. I didn't want to win it because winning it is impossible, but I finish the 70-mile exercise and self-discipline. And when I went back to the doctor, he said, "I don't know what you've done, but you've made your body inside out, you're like an 18 year old."

MORGAN: You lost how much?

DISPIRITO: 40 pounds and -- so if a chubby chef with crooked spine and flat feet, who could totally get away with it, by the way. It's not like girls weren't attracted to me or anything -- there was any downside other than my health, I -- if I could do it surrounded by all that food and wine and -- anyone can do it. I'm surrounded by the most delicious food available on the planet everyday of my life. And if I can do it, anyone can do it.

MORGAN: Well, I had tasted your stuff and I'm going to do. That's how much of a ...

DISPIRITO: That's awesome. I love that.

MORGAN: ... confession I have for what you did.

DISPIRITO: A pound today.

MORGAN: Yeah.

DISPIRITO: You'll lose up to a pound today if you follow my instructions.

MORGAN: OK. My next guest lost 245 pounds. You probably know how he did it. (inaudible) Subway sandwiches. Jared Fogle who is now household name, he's the subway guy and he joins me now. Jared, how are you?

JARED FOGLE, THE SUBWAY GUY: I'm doing great, Piers. How are you?

MORGAN: So, you're this unknown guy who just announced he'd been eating a lot of Subways and had lost a lot of weight. And before we know it, Subway business was completely transformed. They ended up making $8 billion. That's something ridiculous. You made yourself a millionaire. Do you still eat Subway sandwiches?

FOGLE: I do, you know, I don't eat it every single day anymore, but I've learned a lot, you know, in my -- exactly in moderation. You know, I'll tell you, I've kept the way out now for 15 years. I still probably average eating it three or four days a week. And, you know, I travel almost 200 days a year as part of my job and as part of what I do with Subway, so, I have to be obviously pretty careful especially when you're on the road.

MORGAN: What is the question you get asked most by people?

FOGLE: Well, I think, they just want to know, did you really do it? I mean, I think people are still sort of fascinated by that, of course, you know, losing 245 pounds in a year. But then I think the other one I get always asked is, how do you keep it off because I think we all know how to lose weight. I mean, there's a million ways to lose weight out there, but it's keeping that weight off, that's obviously the hardest part especially in this country. And you know what I tell people is still eat (inaudible) Subway occasionally but I've just learned to eat in moderation. I try to get my exercise in on a pretty regular basis and there's always excuses, you know, you can always have million excuses after but you just got to finally put up and just do it.

MORGAN: I went to my training today and (inaudible) story, and he said, wow, you're looking pumped and I was really thrilled. And he said, "Why are you so happy?" I said, "You said I look pumped." "No, plump." (inaudible) back home (inaudible).

FOGLE: American pronunciation (inaudible).

MORGAN: Jared, let's take a look at the very first Subway add that you made.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Jared believes in an active life style including lots of walking. At the heart Jared's routine are Subway sandwiches.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hey Jared.

FOGLE: Hey guys.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: At Subway, you can choose from seven sandwiches with six grams of fat or less, and they all taste grate. Food for thought.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MORGAN: So, Jared, you got your old fat pants, haven't you? Let's have a look at them.

FOGLE: I do. These are way more famous than I am here. It's actually, if I can't make an event, I send the pants, but this is ...

DISPIRITO: Wow.

MORGAN: Wow, look at that.

FOGLE: ... what I use to wear. This the -- this is a 60-inch waist. Now, these are the relaxed fit though which is very important to have. It's a good reminder for me obviously, you know, people are always fascinated to see the pants. It's a great visual aid, and especially when I'm talking to kids. You know, I speak to children all over the country and actually all over the world now about my story, the fact that they know me really well from TV, and really try to have a good message for them about the mistakes that I made. And when they see the old pair of pants, they just sort of Oh and Ah and they really just can't believe it.

MORGAN: And more information of the Jared Foundation, check out JaredFoundation.org. Subway is actually -- this is quite nice. Subway has brought sandwiches for everybody on the audience, including me, in their new bags. So, we'll be handing those off (ph) and as you'd expect from Rocco, an attempt to woo the ladies in the room, is with a special low calorie cup cake. Is -- as if that is not enough, he's brought a copy of his new book, Now Eat This Italian for everybody in audience.

I actually feel like this is like Oprah's big giveaway now. But, Rocco, it's good to talk to you, and good to talk to you, Jared, as well.

Coming next, who would intentionally gain 70 pounds in six months? And this is man who did just that and asked him why he did it, that's next.

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AL ROKER, NBC'S TODAY SHOW: (Inaudible) I was the Hindenburg, no, look, it was -- I was a big guy. I enjoyed eating and it was -- it really wasn't until, you know, I was confronted with my Dad's just passing and he made promise to loss weight.

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MORGAN: Welcome back to our special Losing It, America's Fat Obsession. How far would you go to share the weight with Joe Cross in his early 40's. And taking the scales at 310 pounds included this clip from his documentary, Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead.

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JOE CROSS, DIRECTOR AND STAR OF FAT, SICK AND NEARLY DEAD: This is what I saw when I look in the mirror. Looking good. Well, the (inaudible) and I keep seeing that same fit-looking bloat (ph) looking back at me. Who was I kidding; I didn't look like that anymore. I look like a quality shape.

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MORGAN: Well, Joe found (inaudible) drinking fresh fruit and vegetable juice. And he says this made all the difference. All right, different looking Joe Cross joins me now. Joe, give me the stats, first of all, what were your heaviest? What do you know?

CROSS: Piers, my heaviest weight was 320. Right now, today, I got on a scale this morning in the hotel in L.A., I'm 240.

MORGAN: Amazing. And how do you do this?

CROSS: So, I was like a business guy running around the world, doing deals focused on building companies. You know, I kind of say it, now, I was focused on wheels not heels. And, you know, I got sick when I was 32. And (inaudible) where we can take pills. So, I took these pills and this debilitating autoimmune disease called chronic (inaudible). It's like really bad hives and swelling. And it was a really debilitating disease. And I took the pills for eight long years. And something happened when I turned 40. It was like that wake up call of, you know, a four is like -- I look closer to a five whereas a three is close to a two, and I just sort of felt, wow, you know, I'm 40, I'm looking in a mirror, I'm 320 pounds, I'm taking medication night and day for high blood pressure, prediabetic, high cholesterol, I mean, I'm a walking time-bomb.

So, I decided to supercharge that journey by drinking just fresh fruit and vegetable juice for 60 days. And then I did another 90 days of eating fruit, vegetables, nuts, bean seeds. And after five months of just plants, I was off all medication and I was, you know, close to 100 pounds lighter after five months. And that was, you know, six, seven years ago.

MORGAN: And how have you managed to sustain this because that's the key thing that so many people find so difficult. They can do a diet for a little bit and then, you know, the reality checks seen and they get tempted and then they go back. How have you managed to stay so disciplined?

CROSS: So, the first thing I'd say, Piers, is I didn't look at what I did as a diet. I look at what I did as a circuit breaker. I still want to feel that we all have three choices when it comes to the energy we're going put into our body. We can choose plants, we can choose animal products, and we can choose this new kit on the blocks. I mean, that's been around like only for 70 years, and that's processed food.

Now, if you look at the diet of the average typical American, and where you come from and where I come from, it's around about 60 percent of all the energy we get is from processed, about 30 percent from animal, and about 10 percent from plant food. And when you carve out the French fries or the chips as you and I like to call them, that's another 3 percent in just French fries.

So, really, the average American is only getting 7 percent, 7 percent of their calories from plants. So, I look at now what I try to do is I like to bump that number up. Now, I still love my (inaudible) and I still enjoy it. I just don't have it like I used to. So now, my diet is around 40 percent of the calories I consume is plant based, and then about 30 percent animal, about 30 percent processed. And that has kept me on the straight and narrow, has kept me medication free for six, seven years.

And nowadays, if you can sort of stop your diet by kind of going back to the (inaudible) together sort of world of getting your plants onboard, having juice or a smoothie, or a fruit salad for breakfast, having salad for lunch. And then at night time, sort of going to do what, you know, I mean, I had sushi last night. I'm going to go tonight and probably have some like I'm doing steak tonight. And sort of my -- my sort of world now is plants during the day and then eating normal at night.

MORGAN: Good to talk to you, Joe Cross, and what a story, quite amazing.

CROSS: Thank you.

MORGAN: You carry on (inaudible). Good to talk to you.

I want to bring in now Drew Manning. He's a personal fitness trainer who gained weight to see what his plans are going through. He's also the author of "Fit2Fat2Fit". OK. So, you're fascinating because there you were super thick, hard rock muscles, everything else, very lean, and you thought I'm going to put on 70 pounds.

DREW MANNING: Yes.

MORGAN: Why did you want to do that, why do you want to become me?

MANNING: I don't know if it's so much you, but I felt like I needed a different perspective. I was always fit, I never struggled with my weight, and ...

MORGAN: And this is the pictures, this is amazing.

MANNING: Yes, pretty scared.

MORGAN: Let's see those again, lets put these back up. That's you on the left before, that's what you became in the middle.

MANNING: Yes, six months.

MORGAN: And that's what happened after. So, I mean, quite a story. That's a six-month period ...

MANNING: Six months, yes, so a year a long.

MORGAN: You did it because you wanted to try and relate, so, I guess, what your plans were going to. You got heavy plans and how were you working out, and the problems they may have because, you know, my issue with my trainer is they're like you, they're like meatball machines.

MANNING: Yeah.

MORGAN: And when they say, "You're knock out," (inaudible), it's fine for them.

MANNING: Yeah.

MORGAN: But for us, it's not so easy.

MANNING: Exactly, and that's what I thought like I needed that different perspective and becoming overweight gave me a better understanding, not that I would know exactly what it was like, but at least I would have a better understanding versus that trainer with the six pack, you know, the typical kind of trainer.

MORGAN: Because you've never been fat, right?

MANNING: I've never been overweight, never struggled.

MORGAN: What were the key takeaways for you?

MANNING: The biggest things I learned was more so on the mental and emotional side. Physically, I knew I was going to get the man boobs and the love handles. But mentally and emotionally, (inaudible).

MORGAN: Women love those.

MANNING: Yes, some do. But it really did affect my relationship being with my wife, it affected as a dad, it affected my personality. And that's a scary thing, as diet affection more than just your weight. It affects you so much more psychologically than you think.

MORGAN: Did people treat you differently? I mean, when you walk around now, you look good. Is there something you find that that wasn't happening if (inaudible) you've lost it?

MANNING: I think some people look at me differently. I could see the stairs at the grocery store loading up car with soda and cereal.

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MORGAN: Oh, Drew, you've lost it, right?

MANNING: No one was really mean, but I felt like, from my perspective, people were staring at me more. So, my self-esteem, my confidence levels took a hit the bigger I got, and so that was the hard part to deal with, lose my self-esteem being out in public or getting out at the shower covering up in front of my wife, that's how it's affects me.

MORGAN: Well, it's a great story.

MANNING: Yeah.

MORGAN: Fit2Fat2Fit is available right now, and a here it is. And you can see Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead on Netflix (inaudible). Drew, good to talk to you.

MANNING: Thank you so much, Piers.

MORGAN: And we're talking about America's deeply epidemic, is it an individual choice or a food against conspiracy or debate on who's to blame. That's coming next.

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RICKY GERVAIS: I think I've -- just got fatter and fatter up to about ...

MORGAN: What was the point when you went -- how heavy were you when went ...

GERVAIS: 14 stones, 14 stones.

MORGAN: And was there a moment of kind of self awareness when you went, OK, that's enough. GERVAIS: I just felt like were was it going to end.

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SUSAN HENDRICKS: I'm Susan Hendricks. New revelations about the bridge scandal rocking New Jersey Governor, Chris Christie's Administration, more than 2,000 pages of documents were released today. Part of the investigation of Christie aids who close down access lanes to the George Washington Bridge in September, an alleged act of political payback. The document show that drivers complained immediately. The Mayor of forth leads (ph) said the police told residents he was to blame for that and the Executive Director of the fort authority angry that he hadn't been told about the lane closures, express concern that they may have violated the law.

Also tonight, a West Virginia Chemical Company has been ordered to stop operation after a leak that contaminated drinking water for 300,000 people. 75 (inaudible) trucks are bringing an emergency supply of water after a chemical leak contaminated the Elk River. Officials say they don't know when the water will be safe to drink again.

Now, back to our Piers Morgan Live special, Losing It, America's Fat Obsession.

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MORGAN: The health source (ph) of obesity in the United States are staggering, now estimated at $150 billion. And they could skyrocket to 300 billion in just a few years. And who's to blame for the epidemic? Well, it's a question of self control. Now, the food companies and restaurant chains at fault here with me to debate. Dr. Joseph Colella, he's the Director of Robotic Surgery, University of Pittsburgh Medical Center, and Michael Moss, New York Times' investigative reporter and author of Salt, Sugar, Fat. And welcome to you both.

So, (inaudible), as you reported at 35.7 percent of American Adults, 16.9 percent of American children age 2 to 19 are obese. And with the way we're going, that rate will reach 44 percent by 2030, almost half of America, Michael Moss, will be dangerously overweight. Why is this happening? How do we change the thinking?

MICHAEL MOSS, AUTHOR: I've heard so often people trying to blame of people for those problem. And I will grant you one moment. In the 1980s, there was moment overnight when it became acceptable to eat anything, anywhere, anytime. That's when you started to see people walking down the street eating and drinking, bringing food in the business meetings, you probably wouldn't be surprised if I brought something here and I start eating it. But you can't underestimate the cunning and the skill on the behalf of -- on the part of the processed food industry. Not just to make products that we like but to get us to want more and more of the product.

MORGAN: To make some addiction by making them just have stuff in them that makes you want to have more of it.

MOSS: There was no word that hit more than the A word granted, but the language they use is every bit is revealing. They talk about cravability, snack ability, one of my favorite is more ishness (ph). These are not English majors. These are scientists, bench chemists, marketing people talking about what drives them day in and day out which is to make their products as utterly attractive and irresistible as possible.

MORGAN: And the problem is, Joe, they come to you because they end up piling on the pounds and they feel terrible about themselves, and ends to a doctor who can repair the damage. I mean, in an ideal world, you'd be out of work.

JOSEPH COLELLA, DIRECTOR OF ROBOTIC SURGERY: Correct.

MORGAN: Why are you seeing so much business, you think, form the stories that you get?

COLELLA: From the stories that I hear, it's very clear that people are addicted to sugar. We're under a sugar spell, our whole country is. And so with the exception of the few percent of people that are in this room either you got up on the stage today, everybody struggles with their weight. And they struggle with it and they struggle with the daily battle of can I eat this, how much time in the gym, that you mentioned, can I get passed it, what's it going to do to me. And the reality of it is, if we don't stop the consumption of sugar at the rate were going, we're all going to be fat and we're all going to be sick, and the procession to my operating room will not stop.

MORGAN: Is it just sugar, Michael Moss? Is it salt, you know, you were in a headline one day, too much salt can kill you. The next day, not enough salt will kill you, you know. And so you read of all these things. Nobody seems to have a clear idea what they should be doing in terms of their diet that will definitely make an impact ...

MOSS: Well, look at your favorite, cheese. You know, we're now eating on average 33 pounds of cheese every year. And we got to that point because the processed food industry teamed up, believe it or not, with the government to turn cheese into an additive, something that's added to food to increase the allure. And in some ways, cheeses are even more powerful than sugar because the brain gets deceived. If you can't see fat that's on food, the natural breaks that you have of sort of curve over eating get taken off.

But, yes, it's -- and then this is inherently wrong with salt, sugar, fat. It's the amount and it's the allure of these products. And it's the mindlessness that we've sort of taken to eating that can play right into the hands of the industry.

MORGAN: (inaudible) I've talked to -- into Chris Christie several times about. He's very honest about his weight problems. He's a brilliant politician, but he has this big frame and he has struggled very, very hard over the years to do something about it. He eventually have this gastric black bag thing which appears to be having some effect for him. You have seen those and treated people with those. When it gets to that stage, people are pretty desperate, aren't they, to do something?

COLELLA: Well, our whole country is desperate. So, they're desperate for sure. I think it's important to understand this. There is a body mass index, a line. A line in the sand that once you cross it, you can't go back and stay back on your own. Typically, that's been thought to be a BMI, body mass index of 40. Those are the people I operate upon. Those are the people that get flat bands.

But listen to this, just about two years ago, the FDA approved flat band surgery for people with the BMI of 30 or greater and one medical problem related to their weight. Think about that. So, your comment earlier about half of our population in 15 years being obese and needing surgery, that's what I'm looking at, operating on half of all America.

MORGAN: I was applauding Michael Bloomberg for saying, "Let's deal with these super sized sodas. Terrible for everybody. They're making people fat, they're rotting them to eat, they're not a good food. Clearly, people can't be trusted to stop it themselves, let's do something about it, and he lost.

Let me ask the audience, and we got actually on this. I want to ask you two questions. The first on is, do you think super sized sodas are good for you.

(Inaudible)

MORGAN: Does anybody think they're good for you? OK. Let me ask you a separate question. Are you happy for Mayor Bloomberg or President Obama, whoever it may be, to start telling you how you should live your lives in terms of drinking and eating? Now, show of hands if you're happy about that.

Right. So, this is fascinating. OK. So, all of you agree, it's terrible. You got super sized sodas, but none of you want to be told that, right? So, this is a classic American psychology and which I battle with as a Brit on a daily basis. But we are the same in Britain actually, exactly the same. And this is the (inaudible) isn't it, Joe Colella because everything about you tells you this is wrong but you don't want to told you can't have it. How we get through this?

COLELLA: And the reality of it is it's making you sick whether you have a weight problem or not. So, stop and think about that for a minute. You've had so many lean, fit people on your show today. They look tremendous. If they're eating a high sugar diet, they're sick. So, they may actually be cursed in a worse way than a person that gains weight because when they get on the scale, they don't have a warning sign. When you get warned. When you get on the scale and you have a problem, you're warned, and the bell has been rung.

MORGAN: The final question I got, how much is general mobility a big issue, in a sense, if you just did half an hour brisk walking a day, a lot of doctors tell that that coupled with a reasonable diet is more than enough exercise.

MOSS: It can't hurt but, look, you're going to be on tour de France order to, you know, a mass, the kind of calorie burning that your going to need to compensate for the kind of over consumption that you could be lead ...

MORGAN: So, diet is the key.

MOSS: Yes, controlling the intake especially ...

MORGAN: And portions. Americans have huge portions.

MOSS: Yes.

MORGAN: OK, Michael Moss's book, Salt, Sugar, Fats is available right now. It's terrific to read. And Dr. Joe Colella, your website is drjoecolella.com. Thank you both very much indeed.

MOSS: Thanks.

MORGAN: Coming next, the fitness guru for stars (ph). She's trained Gwyneth Paltrow and new mom Kim Kardashian, and she's got lots of stories to tell us.

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TRACY ANDERSON, FITNESS GURU: We go to arms with out any resistance. And now, I'm taking three pound weight. Only three pound weight. No woman should lift more than three pounds.

So, and now, were going to do some more arm rotations with the three .pound weight.

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MORGAN: Our fitness guru, Tracy Anderson, working out with Gwyneth Paltrow, getting (inaudible) and getting her back into shape. And she had a company (inaudible) including Courtney Cox, J-Lo, and new mom, Kim Kardashian. Tracy joins me now. Tracy, how are you?

ANDERSON: I'm great. How are you?

MORGAN: So every time I see one of these celebrities having a baby, within about three months, they look like (inaudible). It always says, as we shape and we train by Tracy Anderson. What do you do to these poor women?

ANDERSON: You know what, I support them. I support them, I tell them the truth and I give them the tools to actually get the results that they get hope to get out of their hard work because as women, we're doing a lot in this world to support a lot of people. And if we want to look like our best versions of ourselves and feel comfortable in our own skin, we deserve that.

MORGAN: Like Gwyneth Paltrow said that you've given her a 22-year old stripper's butt.

ANDERSON: I actually have. We've done that together.

MORGAN: So, there are women over on this audience (inaudible), I want a stripper's butt. How do I get one? How do you get one?

ANDERSON: I think we gave then -- didn't we give them DVD's?

MORGAN: Well that's a little surprise actually. We have got little gift. I will bring this to (inaudible) now you've mentioned it, that Tracy, very kindly, giving everybody and that's a morphosis (ph) program, everyone in the audience, here it is, and it's a full program for all of you. So, if you don't like you to come back and see me again in three months, you'll have stripper's butt which is great.

ANDERSON: Yes. They're all getting stripper's butt exactly better then, better then.

MORGAN: So that you can (inaudible), I know you don't want to go into the details exactly what she's going through but it seem is pretty similar for all people who've just had a baby.

What are the key things that women who've had a baby need to do quite quickly to get rid of the baby fat and so on?

ANDERSON: Well, right now Kim (ph) is doing what she should be doing which is bonding with her baby. She's a first time mom, so she's enjoying that. And I think one of things that people are always alarmed with me is I'm like, "No, you know, relax, get into the routine. Enjoy the baby." You know, the body is what comes next so if you are able to nurse, then that's a great thing because that's nature's way of starting to get everything back into position. But, the thing about nursing is that we are designed to have more than one baby so we'll only bring things back so far but not all of the way. And so, you do have to face exercise eventually, but right now, Kim (ph) is in baby heaven.

MORGAN: You obviously deal with, I guess, the more glamorous end of the American shape market in the sense you're doing with top celebrities here said it's a business to be in great shape.

What do you think is the formula for regular Americans who really start (inaudible) with their weight? What is the best formula in terms of how many times should you workout a week? What kind of workout should you be doing and what kind of diet should you combine it with, if you want to just get some reasonable results, you know, maybe lose 89 pounds or whatever it may be?

ANDERSON: Yeah, that's a really great question, because the formula is key and the ratio is key and also enjoying life is key. We are emotionally programmed to love food. We're emotionally programmed to love certain foods by the time we're seven years old. Food is a big part of who we are and so many people now are losing all of the spark behind their eyes because everybody's running around starving, and cranking, and cutting out food groups and all kinds of things.

So, we are meant to move. We're meant to connect to our bodies. Exercise is vital to our health and the idea of exercising three days a week is not enough and it's something that you need to do six days a week, five to six days a week because you need to connect with your body daily and you are how you move.

So, this notion of exercise creating even further imbalance in our bodies by us bulking up certain muscles or overusing certain muscles is also not the answer because it doesn't blend (ph) to the body that we desire and it also causes injury and all different kinds of things in many circumstances. And a lot of that pound in (ph) and in the same way, is hard to do quite frankly.

MORGAN: Well, Tracy, you perform miracles on these celebrities. If I have to have a time, I would come and be bested (ph) by you myself and get myself a 22-year old stripper's butt, which would be quite something.

But I thank you very much indeed for joining me.

ANDERSON: Oh my goodness. I'm going to take you up on that. I'm not kidding.

MORGAN: Well, you could consider me to be your ultimate challenge. So, for more information, check out Tracy --

ANDERSON: I do. I am launching a men's program.

MORGAN: Are you? OK, well, I can be -- I can be your flying chip, why not. And as you think, the body is already too perfect to work with, don't I? I will quite to understand that, but for more information, check out --

ANDERSON: Well, you're brain is quite perfect so --

MORGAN: Oh, thank you Tracy. Thank you. See, I know you'll like her.

Anyway, for more information, check out tracyandersonmethod.com and let's say, we all just get metamorphosis by Tracy. Thank you very much again, Tracy.

Coming next, the latest and greatest workout who was behind the new fitness crisis and do they work?

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (inaudible) and I have to -- I've learned how to -- how to handle certain issues and not to run to that for comfort.

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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Two, stretch. Four, double time, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven eight --

MORGAN: The days of today and found the workout on VHS, that was of course long gone, though I still workout a bit like that. But people not pushing themselves to the limit to get in shape with the latest high tech workouts. Do they work? And more importantly to me, are they painful? Of course, the three of them has (inaudible), Ruth Zukerman, co-founder of Flywheel, Barry Jay, the founder of Barry's Bootcamp, and Shaun T, creator of Insanity or some fairly (ph) call them, the truggy (ph) of torturers, that's right.

Barry, let me start with you because you might see, I've seen the results of your work because of one of my producers, Shant (ph), has worked on this show has been bested (ph) from, you know, I'll show you what mommy says, quite a chubby life, into a sudden refined limousine (ph). He's on (inaudible) Barry Bootcamp. So it works.

BARRY JAY, FOUNDER OF BARRY'S BOOTCAMP: Absolutely works, the results are one of the main reasons people keep coming back.

MORGAN: What is it about your Barry's Bootcamp that is different to others?

JAY: Good question. It's, you know, it's running and weights, it's very basic training and it's put in a group atmosphere. We have camaraderie, and support, and encouragement to push and be pushed really hard, you know, and --

MORGAN: Can you get properly fit by -- of just doing weights or just doing running? It's the best combination, both?

JAY: Both. The combination is really the winning -- the winning combo there.

MORGAN: Do Ruth ever tell you, the flywheel is a phenomenon that I'm not really aware of, every woman I met in Michigan own a flywheel. So, it's clearly a big phenomenon. Now, what is it and how does it work?

RUTH ZUKERMAN, CO-FOUNDER AND CREATIVE DIRECTOR, FLYWHEEL: It's indoor cycling. Indoor cycling has been around for a while but when flywheel started, we brought it to a whole new level. We have added performance technology to the bikes. So, finally we can measure exactly how hard you're supposed to be working and the result have been amazing, the way it lost stories (ph) are incredible. We see them everyday and --

MORGAN: And how hard should you be working? I mean, there's a guy in them, he's a big TV (inaudible), for example. Then recently had a stroke on a rowing machine because he's pushing himself so hard. Because he read about, as I have recently, the value of high intensity workouts. There's a guy at 50. He actually ended up killing himself because there is a risk, isn't it? The only (inaudible). So, overall, saying high intensity, the 48 like me, I would've died doing it. ZUKERMAN: Right.

MORGAN: Well, the people may want me to, but I don't want to.

ZUKERMAN: No, it's a concern, but, you know, we're well aware of our customers. We know our customers. We have stadium ceding (ph) so the instructor can see every writer in the class. So, if we think someone's working too hard, we're going to go tell them they are because we can see exactly what everyone is doing.

MORGAN: OK. Shaun T, Insanity, just about sums up the whole workout.

SHAUN T, CREATOR, INSANITY: Exactly.

MORGAN: (inaudible) to me because, you know, but for a lot of most people. I hate working out. I just hate the whole damn thing apart from what I've had to shower afterwards, that moment when you feel pretty good again.

T: Right.

MORGAN: Everything else is just complete torture. But you guys, you love it because it's your business. How do you get people into right discipline, to keep going and not just give up after a few weeks because so many people do?

T: Well, I think that's the main thing. For me, you know, my specialty is actually being able to connect with people through their TV screen. And because I, at one point, was 50 pounds overweight, I know what it's like to go through the weight loss. So one of the things I'm going through this crazy workout is that, as we're going through it, I'm thinking in my head what does this person need to be able to get to the second or this next minute and they're also able to take a break.

But, you're right. People don't want to workout because they're afraid to workout. But I'd use my motivation to actually get them to push harder, to go stronger. And Insanity is a crazy word and --

MORGAN: And we have one of your victims. I use the word victim (inaudible), Josh (ph). Josh (ph), you actually did the Shaun T Insanity thing and it worked, right?

JOSH (ph): Yes, it did.

MORGAN: What were you before, where did you end up in terms of weight?

JOSH (ph): I started at 293 and was down to 203.

MORGAN: 293. Wow.

T: (inaudible) if you actually do the T25 workout, my new workout, you know, it --

MORGAN: And what is unique about this? T: What's unique about it is that, you know, well, first of all, I'd like to say that people are afraid to workout and because they think it's so hard. So, what I did was I bought a modifier. And the number one reason people have been not working out is they say they don't have enough time. So, I said, 25 minutes, you have a modifier, I'm motivating you every step of the way. As soon as you start to get one muscle group depleted, I switch to another muscle group so that it's fresh --

MORGAN: What is a modifier?

T: A modifier, if someone so -- if I'm doing crazy high jumps, there's a modifier doing a less low impact. There's no jumps, so if you have bad knee --

MORGAN: So, it's a less Shaun T, basically?

T: Yes, kind of. But you work your way up to more of a Shaun T.

MORGAN: And all of these stories, I mean, this is for free really, but all of these stories about that the new fat is you don't have to -- because everyone is working so hard, you don't have to do an hour long workout. What is the minimum you need to do, Barry, do you think as a workout? And how many times a week to get reasonably fit?

JAY: Actually, that's a good question because I'm a believer in the hour workout. Aside from move the cardio and just working out with weights, you can weigh down to 30 to 45 minutes, you know. But to get the cardio and the weights, and whatever your cardio is --

MORGAN: But how many times a week would you recommend.

JAY: Oh, five days a week.

MORGAN: And Tracy said six.

TRACY: I would say five as well.

T: I would say five days a week.

MORGAN: See, I don't think this is realistic. So, I want to throw this back at you guys. It's all right for you, though, because every moment of your waking day, you want to work out. But people like me, it is torture, and what I want to hear is -- I don't want to hear five or six. I don't want to hear six times -- I want to hear three times a week, preferably, for about half an hour. It would be my dream --

T: But you have to think of it this way, too. I mean, you know, for me, I create a program that have account (ph) so people can follow so they can keep themselves accountable. And I'm sure these guys might agree, too. Everyone starts out at a different fitness levels. So, the truth is, if you've never worked out before, if you workout one day a week or a month, you're going to start to see some kind of result because you're putting your body to something that it's never been through. Ideally, we would like you to get up to workout five times a week because, then, it becomes a lifestyle change and they can work this all up to that so --

MORGAN: But it's expensive, I mean, too high, you guys. You don't have to (inaudible) to do.

T: Well, that's why -- well, you know, for me, I mean, I create a home fitness program, so it's a one-time payment and it's a lifetime of results.

ZUKERMAN: And (inaudible) discounts with bulk amount of --

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MORGAN: Barry, you want to get a free plug-in while you're on it?

ZUKERMAN: You know, if I can also say, it has to be fun. If it's not fun, people aren't going to come back. And if I will, we have great music, we have DJ curated mash-ups and remixes, and it's dark --

MORGAN: See, I just (inaudible) the gym that I use in New York to not have terrible sort of like Swedish Euro-trash music.

ZUKERMAN: Yes, I know.

MORGAN: And we know what CNN. So, I don't workout to Wolf Blitzer. And I'll continue, it gets the juices well. Thank you all very much, indeed.

And coming next, I will take a ride one of Ruth's flywheels. I don't know why I'm doing this, but I've been persuaded it will make me fitter.

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MORGAN: Right now, my studio audience is here to hold out for -- especially a beating (ph) in America, losing in America's fatting (ph) sessions. Ruth Zukerman is here to show me how to use one of her famous flywheels. So, this is like a bike, right?

ZUKERMAN: It's a bike.

MORGAN: Then what happens?

ZUKERMAN: I want you to look at that little screen and I want you to take your torque to 25.

MORGAN: 25 on the torque.

ZUKERMAN: Yes. So, you take -- take the blue dial and turn it to the right.

MORGAN: Oh, OK. This one?

ZUKERMAN: Until it gets to 25. MORGAN: OK.

ZUKERMAN: OK.

MORGAN: And that's the --

ZUKERMAN: That's our word for resistance, torque, OK.

MORGAN: OK, torque, yeah.

ZUKERMAN: OK. You're at 25, right?

MORGAN: Yeah.

ZUKERMAN: OK. So, now, I want you to take your RPM number to 70.

MORGAN: OK.

ZUKERMAN: Let's see how that goes.

MORGAN: Easy.

ZUKERMAN: You good?

MORGAN: Easy. 73 --

ZUKERMAN: All right, Piers, so I want you to stay at 70 --

MORGAN: OK.

ZUKERMAN: ... and I want you to now take your torque up to 28.

MORGAN: OK, 28.

ZUKERMAN: OK, at 70.

MORGAN: OK.

ZUKERMAN: How's that going?

MORGAN: It's easy (ph). Getting a little testing.

ZUKERMAN: Should we try 30?

MORGAN: Why not?

ZUKERMAN: OK.

MORGAN: So that's 30, and I'm now at 70, yeah.

ZUKERMAN: Yeah, OK.

MORGAN: So, is that a good balance?

ZUKERMAN: That's very good.

MORGAN: And how many seconds we'll have to keep doing this for?

ZUKERMAN: About 30.

MORGAN: So, I can see this is pretty grueling.

ZUKERMAN: Right.

MORGAN: Luckily, I don't have to keep doing this, but it's been fascinating show, I want to thank everybody tonight for joining. I want to thank all my guests and this great studio audience. And have a happy and healthy weekend (ph).

Good night.