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Interview with YouTube Sex Accuser; Is Kanye West Obsessed With Himself?; Grew Old Long Before His Time
Aired January 22, 2014 - 21:00 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
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DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST (voice-over): Tonight, exclusive -- Jamie is here to tell us why she confronted her accused sex abuser.
JAMIE, CONFRONTED EX-TEACHER: She shouldn`t be around anyone`s kids.
PINSKY: How she was manipulated?
JAMIE: She said she would kill herself if I ever left.
PINSKY: And what made her post their conversation online.
JAMIE: I think other people are going to be coming forward.
PINSKY: Plus, a salute to Sam Byrne, the teen who grew up old before his time.
And Kanye West under the microscope in our series "Hooked", celebrity narcissism.
Let`s get started.
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PINSKY: Good evening, everybody.
My co-host is snowy cold attorney, Sirius XM radio host Jenny Hutt.
Are you staying warm out there in New York?
JENNY HUTT, CO-HOST: Doing the best I can do, Dr. Drew.
PINSKY: I miss that view of Columbus Circle behind you. But I`m sure it`s become more of an urban snow which gets a little bit rough around the edges.
HUTT: Yes. I`m actually in it. There`s not much to miss.
PINSKY: Snow again later in the week and again next week. A continued winter wonderland in New York.
Coming up, what is wrong with Kanye? We have a celebrity series called "Hooked," celebrity narcissism. We`re going to dig into that.
But first, a second accuser has come forward in the case of alleged sexual abuse by a female teacher beginning when the student was 12 years old.
The first accuser, now a grown woman, confronted her ex-teacher on YouTube and she joins us exclusively.
First, I want to show you her story.
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JAMIE: You know that I am completely messed up, that I have so many issues because of you?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I just wanted to help you.
JAMIE: How is having a sexual relationship with a 12-year-old student helping?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It wasn`t anything that I intended. I don`t even know what happened.
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PINSKY: All right. Let`s bring in the behavior bureau. Danine Manette, criminal investigator, author of "Ultimate Betrayal", Tiffanie Davis Henry, HLN contributor, psychotherapist, TV personality Jillian Barberie, and Samantha Schacher, social commentator, host of "Pop Trigger" on the Young Turks Network.
We are also joined by Jamie herself. She is also with her attorney, Dave Ring.
Jamie, thank you so much for joining us.
First of all, I just want to say hats off to you for doing something that I think has inspired so many -- maybe hundreds of thousands of young people who have been through something similar to what you experienced -- perhaps not with a teacher but some coercive, controlling relationship where they were sucked in. What I want to ask to start out is how did this woman suck you in? How did she groom you?
JAMIE (via telephone): She would give me everything that I wouldn`t otherwise be able to have. She took me shopping. She took me to places that I wouldn`t normally be able to go, like Six Flags, Knott`s Berry Farm, Disneyland, Raging Waters --
PINSKY: Jamie, the fact that you couldn`t go to these places suggests that maybe your family couldn`t meet those kinds of needs. Were you vulnerable? Were you a good target in that way?
JAMIE: I think so because I come from a family of five, and my mom -- she was doing the best she could, and, you know, working a lot, trying to keep up with our bills and stuff. So it was difficult.
PINSKY: Right. So you obviously were someone who she sensed on some level she could -- let`s call it what it is, could manipulate by meeting those needs, those idealized needs that perhaps other people couldn`t.
At what point, Jamie, did you know you need to get out, that something was way off the rail?
JAMIE: I mean, she kind of had a hold of me for a long time and it took a while for me to realize that that wasn`t a normal relationship.
PINSKY: Is there some -- it`s kind of a brainwashing that you go through. Is there some moment when you thought, wait a minute, what`s going on here?
JAMIE: Well, yes, she would tell me to -- she would take me out to like her schools where she worked at and would tell me to say that I was her niece.
And I would say, why do I have to say that if, you know, we`re just friends? What`s wrong with that? And she said, yes, but people might think it`s a little bit weird and we both know it`s not weird. So, I mean, it`s just better if we say it`s this way, that way we don`t have to answer to anybody.
PINSKY: But you did -- Sam, do you have a question for Jamie?
SAMANTHA SCHACHER, POP TRIGGER: I do.
Gosh, first and foremost, Jamie, I don`t know you, but I`m so proud of you. You`re so courageous.
But you mentioned the rumors -- that she was fearful of the rumors. Did I read correctly that back in 1999 there was an investigation with her because of the rumors circulating around school and not only did the school but also authorities investigate the alleged abuse? What was the result of that investigation?
JAMIE: Yes, that is correct. I did speak to police, a parent from one of my friends that called and reported an inappropriate relationship possibly going on between me and her. And I guess -- I was called in to the office. And by the time I had even gotten up there, my classroom had already known what was going on. They already knew why I was going up there and it was quite embarrassing.
Yes, I was questioned by police, a bunch of police, in one room. And I told them something -- not everything, but I know that now what I told them had to have been enough for them to say, you can`t work here anymore.
PINSKY: Jamie, what sort of symptoms has this all left you with, just being hauled up in front of you classmates, I`m sure, could get you enough anxiety and then being manipulated and controlled like this -- I imagine now you have lots and lots of unpleasant symptomatologies?
JAMIE: Yes. I mean, now I know that I have -- my relationships aren`t really healthy. I have trust issues with everyone. Just even my sexual relationship is difficult.
PINSKY: Jenny, you wanted to ask a question?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I can imagine.
HUTT: I do. Has talking about it on this level, Jamie, sort of liberated you or made you feel better? Has it helped you to be so open now today?
JAMIE: It does. It really does. It feels like I finally have gotten a weight lifted off of me. I mean, like everybody knows now and I`m not scared of her threatening me with embarrassment because everybody knows now. I`m not the one who`s embarrassed, and she should be.
PINSKY: Jillian, I think you can relate and perhaps help her feel like that she`s not alone. One of the things that people feel is, no one on earth has ever been through this.
JILLIAN BARBERIE, TV PERSONALITY: Well, first of all, Jamie, I just want to say -- you`re my hero. You`re a rock star. When we reported this story the other night, I was like high-fives all around. You don`t know if you know how many victims of abuse and child molestation that you spoke for just with that one call and the way you put it up on the Internet.
I hope that -- you know, I would say to you because I`m not a clinical psychologist, I`m not an expert on this. But I am a victim who survived it and I just want to say to you, I was just blown away. And I commend you.
I want and I hope and I pray that you get some support. You know you have support from the average Joe because people are blown away by what you did. But what you need is support from the people who have been through it. Maybe you`re nervous and shy or maybe you`re a little reserved.
You could go online and just be a voyeur and watch chat rooms. You`ll see so many people with your story. And if you don`t have that, maybe a therapist.
People don`t realize that for 10 minutes of their sick and perverted and twisted sexual pleasure, these people screw up children`s lives for years. And I want you to know that -- I know -- but it`s OK and you will be fine. Your sex life will be fine and you are normal. And it wasn`t you. And you are going to get through this.
JAIME: Thank you.
PINSKY: Dave, I want to ask you a quick question. You told our producer this ex-teacher, we`re calling her, has a criminal lawyer at this point. Are criminal charges forthcoming?
DAVID RING, ATTORNEY FOR ACCUSER (via telephone): Dr. Drew, we are actively working with law enforcement, and they are aggressively investigating the case. And, yes, she does have a criminal defense attorney. And the prosecutors believe that they are going to bring charges.
PINSKY: And do you anticipate any civil action?
RING: Well, you heard Jamie talk about what happened back in 1999 at the school. And that school allowed this lady to leave under a cloud of suspicion and apparently gave her a letter of recommendation to do so. So, absolutely, we`re going to pursue that.
We call that out here in California -- we call it passing the trash. It`s a common practice where school districts, they get rid of problem teachers and they don`t want to deal with them so they say, look, you quietly resign, we give you a letter of recommendation and you just go away from our school district.
PINSKY: You know, Dave, that`s not the first time I`ve heard that. Is that a function of the teachers labor union strength, that the administrators are afraid of them? Or is it an employment law that they`re afraid of? I mean, why are they so fearful of pointing out wrongdoing?
RING: I think it`s everything you just mentioned. It`s a variety of factors, one of which is the strength of the union, and the belief that they just don`t want to have any hassles and the easiest way to get rid of people is just say, go away quietly.
PINSKY: OK. We`re going to have more with Jamie, more with behavior bureau.
And later on, I`ve got a high school senior. We`re going to tell his story. He subjected himself to online pornography to support his family and then got suspended. It`s a very interesting story.
But first, more with Jamie when we come back.
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PINSKY: These women usually aggress against men. I think when they aggress against women, somehow it`s like --
UNIDNETIFIED FEMALE: We are more lenient towards them. We don`t believe that they are perpetrators.
HUTT: It was six years allegedly of systematic abuse. Think about how many people failed her.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I am concerned in calling somebody out on YouTube. I`m concerned we use that as a social medium for healing.
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PINSKY: The incredible story of Jamie. We`re going to continue.
Back with Jenny and the behavior bureau, Danine, Tiffany, Jillian and Samantha.
And a reminder, if you`d like to join our conversation, you can tweet us right now @DrDrewHLN, #behaviorbureau. I`m watching the Twitter feed.
Again, still talking to Jamie, the young lady who had accused her former female teacher of sex abuse and then posted the video on YouTube. Her attorney, David Ring, is also here with us.
I need to say, police have confirmed an investigation is under way and tell us they expect to speak to a second accuser later in the week.
Also, we have tried to contact the accused ex-teacher but have not yet been able to make contact or to get any comment.
So, Jillian, I know you had a comment right away for Jamie. Go right to it.
BARBERIE: I do. I have a question for Jamie.
You know, usually these perpetrators and child molesters don`t just do it once and suddenly get better.
So, Jamie, are you surprised that a second person has come forward? I don`t know if you legally can talk about if you knew her or know her. And third, just the fact that -- do you take any comfort in knowing that someone else like you has gone through this, with her?
JAMIE: Honestly, when I heard that somebody else had come out, I wasn`t really sure what to think of it. I thought, well, somebody could be possibly messing around. But when I read what she wrote, it sounded really true.
I believe that she did do something -- something happened there. I`m not really sure. But it sounds similar.
PINSKY: Jamie, I`m still a little unclear at what point you sort of became aware at how inappropriate this relationship was. Did you have an a-ha moment or was it a slow realization? Or did something talk to you? Because it`s kind of a brainwashing, somebody has to sit you down and say, can you see what`s happening? Because you`re in that coercive and controlled relationship.
JAMIE: Yes, it was a really slow realization. I thought that the relationship was OK. She had me thinking that it was OK, that I could trust her. And everybody else trusted her, why shouldn`t I?
So, it seems like I would see other things where -- for instance, at the time when she had moved, they were trying to get a child rapist or molester, whatever, off of a street that they were living on. And the community was pretty mad because this guy lived so close to their children. Their family went out there and protested against it and she was very upset about this guy. And thinking about it now, why was she so upset when she was --
PINSKY: Well, Tiffanie, I bet she suffered the same abuse and now she realized that there was a perpetrator but didn`t have any insight into what she was doing, right?
TIFFANIE DAVIS HENRY, HLN CONTRIBUTOR: Right. I don`t think there was much insight to this woman. This was quite a gamble, Jamie, going for it with this -- having this type of conversation. Most individuals who have been sexually assaulted and abused don`t have the opportunity or the courage to confront their abuser. And I`m wondering, what did you really expect her to say when you confronted her?
Because it could have gone either way.
JAMIE: Honestly, I thought she was going to hang up on me or just deny it or something -- or try and get into my head again and try and make more lies up. But I really --
PINSKY: What would her lies look like? "I love you so much, we have this special relationship, how could you be saying these things?" Is that the kind of coercion she used?
HUTT: Who was the first person you actually told the whole thing to, when you had the realization that this was in fact completely inappropriate and horrible, what she had been doing to you?
JAMIE: After I had made the video, I had sent it directly to the principal.
PINSKY: Wow. Courage.
Jamie, listen, I want to thank you for sharing your story with everyone.
SCHACHER: Thank you so much.
PINSKY: I want to extend my deepest gratitude that you brought it here for us to chat with you about it. Is there anything you`d like to say before we say good-bye?
JAMIE: Just wanted to tell everyone thank you for their support. I`ve got so many people that have watched my video now and it`s just -- it`s a lot bigger than I thought it was going to be. I really didn`t think -- it got 200 hits and I thought that was good. That`s cool.
The city of Alhambra will know that something was going on. That was initially what I wanted to just -- the people, the students, the parents that were in Alhambra what was going on. A lot more people know now.
PINSKY: That`s right. Thank you, my dear.
Thank you, Dave, also for allowing us to speak with her.
JAMIE: Thank you.
PINSKY: I want to turn to the behavior bureau.
Danine, I`m sorry. You didn`t get your chance to talk to Jamie. But I want to talk to you. But what are your thoughts?
DANINE MANNETTE, CRIMINAL PROSECUTOR: My thoughts are that this is something that is going to happen over and over. People are so sick and tired of feeling as though they`re not being advocated for by the system.
I`ve worked in criminal defense for 17 years and people are tired of the wheels of justice having grinded to a halt and they don`t have a chance to get their just rewards. The defendant has far more rights than the victim does. And people are sick of it. They`re taking it into their own hands, whether you`re beating up the priest that molested you or opening fire on the people that you think did something wrong to you.
But this is going to keep happening. It`s just -- people are fed up.
PINSKY: OK, Jillian, you`re nodding your head vigorously. Jillian, go ahead.
BARBERIE: I completely agree with Danine. This is all about statute of limitations. When I was molested as a child, I didn`t come to terms with it until I was 25. There could be many years.
PINSKY: I believe I spoke with you at right about that moment.
BARBERIE: You absolutely did. But this whole statute of limitations against crimes, against children that are so heinous, it makes me ill. Why not reform that law so you don`t have this vigilante justice?
I mean, I don`t blame Jamie one bit for doing this because the law failed her. So, she went to YouTube.
SCHACHER: No, absolutely. Thank God she went to YouTube because she brought it up in 1999 and nobody did anything about it. I`m blown away by that. I`m so disgusted that this teacher was able to go on to another district.
She was able to go on to another district even after that, three districts. I wonder how many victims there are out there.
BARBERIE: Exactly. And another child she went on to.
PINSKY: Tiffanie, I hate to say it, but you and I sit here going aha, aha, this is a stuff we deal with this so much. People would be blown away to know how much of mental health is dealing with sexual abuse.
HENRY: You know, Dr. Drew, amen. I talk to so many individuals in my practice, males and females, who come to me and say, it was the school counselor, it was a principal, it was a teacher, it was a camp counselor, it was someone who was supposed to look out for me, be my friend, found their way in, just as they did with Jamie, and pounced on those insecurities, those vulnerabilities.
This was a girl, this abuse started at age 12. How many 12, 13, 14, 16-year-old girls feel isolated, feel like that nobody understands them, feel like they`re not being heard?
All you need is that one person to prey on them and say, I understand you, let me take you out, let me do these things for you, nobody -- your parents certainly don`t understand you.
I was 16. I was that kid that felt like my parents didn`t know nothing. They didn`t know anything. But thank God I didn`t have this person, a person like this in my life who preyed on that vulnerability.
PINSKY: Big people, take care of little people. And the primary responsibility in doing so is maintaining boundaries. If the boundaries aren`t maintained, if you violate boundaries again, the very thing that you allege you`re caring for is shattered, it`s over.
If you are in a position of authority, you take care of people beneath.
Next up, a student took part in online porn to support his family. And you`ve got to hear what his mother has to say.
And later in the show, we have our series "Hooked," celebrity narcissism. We continue with a look at Kanye West and the controversy that surrounds him and how narcissism may play into that.
Back after this.
PINSKY: I`m back with Jenny Hutt.
I`ve got an 18-year-old high school senior turning to online gay pornography to help his mother pay the bills. Then he says --
HUTT: Got to be something else.
PINSKY: Well, we`ll talk about it. And then he says school administrators found out and suspended him. Take a look at his story.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I feel like I`ve been treated unfairly and this is unjust.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He was expelled due to his explicit adult lifestyle career.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I did this to help my mother out, get us in a better economic level.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: By the way, his mother knows what he did and supports him.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He was the man of the house when I couldn`t be.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When fellow students discovered his pictures and videos on this adult Web site, administrators got involved and then suspended him.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The school, of course, is now saying, this had nothing to do with his adult filmmaking off-campus. This had everything to do with some kind of threat.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In the referral slip, administrators said he threatened to bring weapons to the school.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But when we checked with police who would have been notified, they call it a rumor.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I didn`t make any threats to anybody.
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PINSKY: Robert Marochi, the gentleman you just saw, was allowed back in school today.
Jenny, I know you have disbelief.
HUTT: I just want to say, whatever happened to working at the deli for some extra cash?
PINSKY: Well, that`s old-fashioned, Jenny. How dare you.
Let`s bring in the panel, Mark Eiglarsh, attorney at speaktomark.com. Mark, good to see you.
Jason Ellis, host of the "Jason Ellis Show" on Sirius XM.
And, Jason, I heard you talking on the radio today about buying a button-down shirt. Something must have --
JASON ELLIS, RADIO HOST: I didn`t have time. So I went the complete opposite. I was actually going to take my shirt off. But I thought you would kick me off television. I have no pants on, if it means anything.
PINSKY: I heard you talking about that, too. Neither do I. It`s fine.
Thank you for being here. I know you`re under the weather. Thank you for wearing the same top as Vanessa Barnett, host of HipHollywood.com.
And, of course, Lynn Berry, back.
Lynn, we`ve been missing you. Where have you been?
LYNN BERRY, HLN HOST: Hi. I mean, like, you know, Tahoe, skiing, of course, on vacation.
PINSKY: Came all the way out here.
And I know you love Mike Catherwood and Jason Ellis. We put you on the box right next to him. So, here we go.
BERRY: Yes, thank you for that.
PINSKY: Mark, this is a serious topic, did the school have the right to do to this kid what they did?
MARK EIGLARSH, ATTORNEY: First, let me just say, no. Secondly, let me say next to Jason, I feel completely overdressed. Third --
BERRY: You are.
EIGLARSH: Listen, what he does on his own time is completely his business. Legally they cannot do anything. What they then did to cover their tracks is to say, well, he made some threats so we had to expel him. If that`s truly what they did, then what`s with the investigation after the fact?
See, what happened was what we fear when this happens. They did the investigation and found there was no credible threat. There was no evidence to support that.
And let me just say finally, why -- I`m not judging, but why is a high school student raising money doing gay porn? Whatever happened to the bake sale? Those Krispy Kreme donuts? Do the kids still like them, you know?
PINSKY: Lynn, you have a comment. But I think that went away with working at the deli that Jenny so --
EIGLARSH: Yes, old school.
BERRY: You can`t make $1,000 a night working at the deli. That`s why he`s doing this. You make $1,000 in a day. There`s a moral conversation to be had here and there`s a legal conversation.
Mark, you already cleared up the legal conversation. Legally, he was doing nothing wrong. He`s 18 years old. He is an adult.
Morally, there is a mother who is allowing her son to participate in gay pornography so that she can pay the bills and she calls him an awesome person. That is a messed-up --
PINSKY: Hang on, guys. I`ve got tape, I`ve got tape of mom. Take a look.
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MELYSSA LIEB, SAYS SON WAS SUSPENDED FOR DOING PORN: I think he`s the most awesome person in the world. He stood up and he was the man of the house when I couldn`t be. I don`t think that this is anybody`s business except for my son`s. He was expelled due to his explicit adult lifestyle career.
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PINSKY: Now, Jason, we don`t know how much money this kid made. But we discovered he did five movies and that other actors on the site had made between $3,000 and $5,000 per movie. And, Jason, it`s not clear that this young man is gay.
ELLIS: Yes, it is, Drew.
PINSKY: No, no, it isn`t.
HUTT: Does it matter?
ELLIS: It doesn`t matter, you`re right. It doesn`t matter.
I was making a joke. You`re right, it does not matter.
I think the worst thing for him is that everybody in school knows -- I don`t understand why I have to be chastised even more than I`m already going to be because it`s out at school.
Can I not get an education so I don`t have to stay in gay porn?
VANESSA BARNETT: But a lot of the did at the school were actually supporting him. They stood out and protested and said, let this kid back in.
I`m more concerned with the mother. Again, I want to go back to her. If she thinks this industry of porn for her son is such a great idea, why isn`t she out there making a clap and bending over --
BERRY: Have you seen mom? I don`t think she`s going to be filming too many porn movies.
BARNETT: Well, if it`s good for the son, it`s good for the mother. Why pimp your kid? What is she doing?
BARNETT: Hey, go out and make some money for me. What is she doing?
ELLIS: Maybe he`s got something that we don`t know. I haven`t watched his video yet.
HUTT: Oh, Jason!
PINSKY: But I kind of don`t -- go with this because it`s such a crazy story and it`s disturbing for the very reasons you guys bring up, that the mom pimps the son out, that it`s sort of OK. But it`s kind of within his legal rights, but shouldn`t -- here`s the thing that bothers me the most. And Mark, maybe you can back me up on this is that usually when somebody decides to go to these extreme -- maybe it`s not extreme anymore, but it`s sort of --
HUTT: It`s extreme.
PINSKY: Yes. But this sort of --
EIGLARSH: Maybe not anymore, though.
PINSKY: Yes. That`s my point.
EIGLARSH: You hit it on the head. Listen, to us, us old farts, Jason included, you know --
EIGLARSH: It`s something taboo about it. Nowadays, let me tell you something, this may not be such a big deal which is why maybe the kids are rooting for him. They all want to be stars some way or another. I`m not saying it`s right --
ELLIS: The kids are supporting it because it`s gay. Kids are cool with gay people now. That`s what`s happened. It`s cool to be gay and you`re accepted. If you`re a kid, gay is cool.
PINSKY: Yes, but it`s not -- it`s the pornography.
BARNETT: It`s even more cool to be naked. You get on Instagram, you`re taking selfies, and most of the time, you barely have many clothes on. There are hop, skip and a jump away from porn --
PINSKY: Lynn, Lynn, reel me back, my dear --
LYNN BERRY, HLN HOST: I`m trying, Dr. Drew. Let me try. This has nothing to do with gay pornography. It has to do with pornography. The fact this 18-year-old has resorted to that is an anomaly in the sense that you make $3,000 a day. You see girls on Instagram posting selfies in their push-up bra. That`s not pornography making $3,000 in a day. This is in a unique situation.
It`s why we`re talking about it. I don`t think it`s a generational thing that this guy would have been working at a deli if this were 15 years ago. Let`s be honest about that.
PINSKY: And it`s been my experience that when kids do become strippers or get into pornography, there`s other stuff going on. There`s sort of a psychological, character logical reason that that choice seems OK to them. But Mark, I agree with you. I don`t know where we`re headed with all this, but it is changing.
I mean, I remember a day when people had tattoos and it meant something about them. Look at the man next to you, Mark.
PINSKY: Put your head down there, Jason. Put your head down. No, down. There, the wolf on his head. On his head!
ELLIS: Well, I got no hair. What else am I supposed to do?
PINSKY: There you go.
ELLIS: Do we have to analyze (ph) my baldness all the time?
PINSKY: No. I rest my case. I love your wolf. That`s my point.
Next up, what happens when a man starts staring at a smartphone and walks into a duck pond. And a reminder, you can -- oh my goodness! Look at that. You can find us on Instagram anytime @DrDrewHLN. Be right back.
PINSKY: Back with my co-host, Jenny Hutt. And Jenny, a lot of twitter action and traction after our last little commentary by our panels. I want to put up something from Corey Teeg (ph). She says, "Should all gals having to strip to get through college be suspended? Personal life should not affect educational endeavors." Now, I think that sums up the feelings of most people on Twitter. But you`re sighing, Jenny.
HUTT: Well, yes, I`m sighing because I find this to be -- I don`t think that all 18-year-olds are stripping to get through college. I think there are some who are. And stripping is different from pornography and engaging in actual sex acts while on film.
PINSKY: Producers. I have a week-long topic I want to get into maybe next week or the week after, something in this area which is, is stripping different than porn? What happens when people get into it? If they get into it to support themselves, is that OK? There`s some topic there I`d like to get into. So --
HUTT: I love that.
PINSKY: OK. We`ll get into that. Let`s bring in my panel. I got Mark, Jason, Lynn, and Sam. And Sam, you brought along more viral videos tonight that are lighting up social media. Tell us about the first one.
SAMANTHA SCHACHER, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: I did. Well, Dr. Drew, the first video, listen, we talked a lot on your show about the serious consequences of drinking and driving and I have a video that`s going to show just how dangerous it is for everyone. So, we`re going to look at surveillance footage from Popeye`s in Orange County, Florida. Watch.
PINSKY: Afraid of what we`re going to see.
SCHACHER: You see the eight-year-old boy and a woman, they`re enjoying their meal.
PINSKY: Oh my gosh!
PINSKY: Oh my goodness!
SCHACHER: The SUV --
PINSKY: Are they OK?
SCHACHER: -- they are. The SUV plows right through the wall. What you don`t see, there were other customers that had to scramble for their lives. Four people were injured. The little boy is OK. That woman is OK. The man was arrested, thank God. He was charged with a DUI. He was driving on a suspended license. He also ran a red light earlier and hit another vehicle before plowing through --
PINSKY: Show me more of that surveillance video that you got. There were more multiple camera surveillance videos. That look very interesting with all the different angles on this guy plowing through the front. And I guess, the police got him, brought him in, and he refused a field sobriety test, my understanding. And everyone, hold on. Jason, you`re going to be shocked to hear this. It was Florida. I`m shocked!
EIGLARSH: Oh, come on!
PINSKY: Now, Mark, you live and work in Florida. What`s going to happen to this guy? He refused to take a field sobriety test.
EIGLARSH: OK. Well, first of all, if I`m representing him, he`ll have a phenomenal outcome, but let me just tell you something about this Florida thing. I can tell you once again that this is just an isolated incident. It has nothing to do with the people of Florida. In Florida`s defense I will say that it`s actually Texas that leads the nation in crashes and fatalities involving DUI. And the other thing I will tell you, Drew, in defense of Florida, two words -- Disney World.
PINSKY: I respond with two more, Casey Anthony. But go ahead, Jason.
ELLIS: I would like to say that I disagree because I have a radio show and I could do one hour every day if I wanted to on Florida news because you`re a few sandwiches short of the full picnic. Texas has more people in it. Sure, there are more DUIs, but it`s they`re just lunatic. What about the lunatic measurement? I believe Florida is the champion of lunatics.
PINSKY: For the record, I love Floridians. Sam, what else you got?
SCHACHER: OK. So, this next one, Dr. Drew, have you ever been so focused on your smartphone that nothing else in the world matters? Well, a young YouTube magician known as Magic of Rahat (ph). He`s quite popular, he took his smartphone and a lake at a popular park and he created this prank called "walking on water." You`re going to love this. Watch.
PINSKY: Is there sound with this one, too?
SCHACHER: There is sound on this one.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, that`s weird. I don`t know --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The last man I know to walk on water was Jesus. And you don`t look like Jesus.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I certainly don`t.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That doesn`t make any sense.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`ve been smoking?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. What`s your name, man?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My name is Woozy (ph). I don`t know --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m Rahat.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Rahat?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Rahat. It`s not -- I got to take a walk. I got to think about. I got to think about things.
PINSKY: And I don`t know --
SCHACHER: He blew people away, Dr. Drew. And let me just say in the last two days, this video has garnered well over four million views. And people love him. I mean, he`s a popular magician on YouTube.
BERRY: I don`t get it.
SCHACHER: What do you mean you don`t get it? If you`re at a park and you saw a guy walking on water, you wouldn`t be --
BERRY: I think I wouldn`t -- yes, I wouldn`t believe it.
PINSKY: Sam, last -- one more, Sam. Give one for Lynn.
SCHACHER: OK. One more video. Wow! Well, this one actually is quite terrifying. This is a video of the horrific plane crash that happened earlier this month in Aspen. And now, there is footage, as you can see right now, of the actual moment of impact. And I do want to warn people watching that it is really hard to see. You see -- oh, my God! How could you say cool? This actually watching this gives me chills knowing that the pilot died.
EIGLARSH: My bad.
SCHACHER: He died right there. And the other two co-pilots, thank God, they survived. They are suffering from moderate to severe injuries.
PINSKY: Wow! That`s a miracle.
SCHACHER: Yes. I mean, there were crazy tailwinds that day. And what had happened is they went in trying to go in for the landing. They realized hay that they had to abort. It didn`t work out. They hit it with -- they hit the runway with the nose of the plane and then bounced up. And then that`s when you saw the second time, the impact, and then the explosion.
PINSKY: Lynn, I want to give you the last thoughts.
BERRY: Well, that`s the thing is that you never know what Mother Nature is going to do. I don`t know if you guys -- when you fly into LaGuardia, it literally looks like you`re going to land on the water until you hit the runway at the last second. And I had the exact same thing happened to me where a gust of wind hit us down and we literally -- I mean, it was just an inch that we made the runway.
And so, I watched that video, and it does, it sends chills down your spine because I don`t know if you guys have ever flown in small planes, but you feel so unsafe anyway.
BERRY: So, a situation like that, they still don`t know whether it was pilot error or if it was the weather, but you do have these situations where just a gust of wind will come in. It will shoot you down. That`s what happens when it doesn`t work out your way.
PINSKY: Thank you, guys. Up next, celebrities under the microscope in our series, " Hooked: Celebrity Narcissi." Kanye tonight.
And later, Toronto`s crack mayor back in front of cameras explaining his latest outburst. Do not go away.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Shame on you, Kanye West. I could not believe what I was saying when Kanye pulled the mic away from America`s sweetheart after she won a big award and then downright dissed her in front of the entire world.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I shouldn`t have been surprised because it`s Kanye West. But, again, I`m surprised because it`s Kanye West.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Kanye West has proven year after year to be a hothead. he throws tantrums, he storms off stages, complains he`s not winning.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A lot of people think you`re a jerk.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Kanye is what you call a little pep rapper. He does pep -- you know, that to use him to grab attention in that way. He wants -- this is his form of rebellion.
PINSKY: Back with Jenny, Jason, Jillian, Danine and Sam.
And tonight, we continue our week-long series, " Hooked: Celebrity Narcissim," focusing on stars who become -- what I have is a published of data that shows that people that go to become big celebrities often have liabilities, narcissistic liabilities. Not bad people. They had some injury in childhood and becoming a celebrity is an attempt to solve that problem.
The downside is they become self-preoccupied and they lose empathy for other people. Tonight, we`re looking at Kanye West. Now, look at this picture, remember this moment when he interrupted Taylor Swift on stage at the MTV Video Music Awards. I want play for you how Taylor felt about the moment. Take a look.
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TAYLOR SWIFT, SINGER: I won the award and then I was really excited because Kanye West came up there. And then I wasn`t so excited anymore after that.
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PINSKY: And, Sam, I heard you say, uh-uh. Yes, yes.
SCHACHER: Yes. He`s just a big baby. He`s such a narcissist. I mean, not only do we recall that moment, Dr. Drew, but he`s been known to storm out of awards shows when he doesn`t win an award. He calls himself a genius. He shouts it from the rooftops, yet, news flash, real geniuses don`t have to tell the whole world that they`re geniuses.
PINSKY: Jason, are you a genius?
ELLIS: Am I? Of course, I am. I`m a radio genius.
ELLIS: And I`m a moron. You can be both. You can definitely be a genius and have no brain whatsoever in your head. As far as I`m concerned, fame is the same as money. You get to be exactly who you truly are if you have enough money or enough fame or enough women love you. That`s just who he really is. He`s a butthole. That`s the end of it.
PINSKY: Yes, Jillian, but I just want to say, Jason`s honest about it. I`ve heard people say that repeatedly. People who have a lot of money and a lot of fame become just more of what they are. But Jillian, go ahead.
JILLIAN BARBERIE, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: Well, I was just reading in an interview magazine, Steve McQueen, the director, interviewed Kanye, and I have a different take. Like, I`m a huge fan of his music. I find him coming across as extremely like insecure. He needs validation constantly. And --
PINSKY: That`s what narcissism is. Wait a minute, stop right there, because that`s what narcissism is. Narcissism is a liability. It`s actually inside feeling very small and wounded and empty and you need to keep the world buttressed -- bumping you up so you can feel OK and then you start to believe it.
ELLIS: I can relate to that.
PINSKY: We`ll talk later.
SCHACHER: Is that why he compares himself to God?
PINSKY: Well, they can start to think things like that. Danine, what are your thoughts?
DANINE MANETTE, AUTHOR, "ULTIMATE BETRAYAL": You know, I don`t know what the hell is wrong with Kanye, but it all started when his mother died. So, I think she had him up on his big pedestal and that she gave him everything and the minute she died, he`s been spiraling out of control. He`ll be in North Korea next month.
BARBERIE: You bring up his mother. His mother once told him that not to let his ego get in the way. And I believe that, you know, you`re absolutely right about this. And you know, this interview talked about him having a family now and how that feels. And he said, I don`t quite know yet like I need more time to feel this father thing out. So, I think, you know, yes, he talks big. It`s like Floyd Mayweather. He`s got such a big mouth, but --
HUTT: Listen, I had the chance to meet him and talk to him for a couple of minutes with my kids and my dad. He was very nice to them. No, we did not -- he was very nice to my kids. And so --
PINSKY: Again, don`t think because somebody`s a narcissist they`re bad. They`re bad people. It`s just the liability --
ELLIS: Narcissists are awesome.
ELLIS: Look at me, I`m on television, everybody! Hooo!
PINSKY: I rest my case. We`ll put him under the microscope later in a week.
Next up, I have a touching story of a teenager who battled a rare and deadly disease. The story you`ve got to see to believe, after this.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you were said what`s the worst thing that can happen to you? Certainly, as a parent, is to be told that you have a child for which there`s nothing that can be done. That he or she will live 13 or 14 years on average and that will be it.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I didn`t put myself in front of you to feel bad for me. You don`t need to feel bad for me because this is how -- I want you to get to know me. This is my life.
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PINSKY: Back with Jenny. And Sam Berns, both his parents were physicians. This young man unfortunately passed away this month at the age of just 17. His short life, however, had a huge impact. He had a rare condition called progeria which causes accelerating aging in children. There are only 350 kids in the world that have Progeria. Very few survive into their later teenage years. Bringing back our panel, Jason, Jillian, Danine, and Sam.
Danine, have you seen this story out in the press, in the media?
MANETTE: I`ve seen that story and I`ve shown that story to my daughter because, you know, when a person like that just embraces life the way that that kid did -- and I tell my kids all the time that if you put your problem in a bucket and you had to pull out -- you know, everyone put their problems in a bucket and you had to take the problem that you pulled out, you would try and fight to get your own problem back.
And this is the type of a situation where you just need to always just feel great about your life and you look at this kid, he made the best of everything and he`s such an inspiration.
PINSKY: I want to show you something else. A few years after the movie which we saw just a piece of in the beginning of the segment, Sam was asked to speak at a TedX Conference and explain his philosophy for a happy life. So, here are Sam`s keys to living happy even with something as horrific as what he suffered from.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Being brave isn`t supposed to be easy. And for me, I feel it`s the key way to keep moving forward. I don`t waste energy feeling bad for myself. I surround myself with people that I want to be with and I keep moving forward. Oh, wait, hang on a sec, one more piece of advice --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Never miss a party if you can help it. My school`s homecoming dance is tomorrow night and I will be there.
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HUTT: I love him.
BARBERIE: Dr. Drew, what an extraordinary, accomplished young man. I watched the documentary. I bawled my eyes out. Then I watched his TedX talk and I was so inspired. I was like, he knows more at 17 than I`ve known in my 47 years. So, I was so inspired by him and the fact that his parents were both doctors and, you know, they raised this incredible young man. They have to, you know, at least have some solace in knowing what a wonderful man that they raised.
SCHACHER: Yes, I want everybody to go on YouTube and watch that TedX speech, because it literally changed my whole perspective --
SCHACHER: Because it teaches you not to sweat the small stuff, Dr. Drew. His philosophy is to not wallow in life`s obstacles and to bask yourself in gratitude and forward thinking. And this is a 17-year-old. It`s unbelievable. He may not be here today. But his legacy and his philosophy will go on forever.
PINSKY: Jason, I will give you the last word. Don`t disappoint me.
ELLIS: They should play this tape to Kanye so that he can become a real man.
HUTT: There you go.
PINSKY: Fair enough. Jenny, stay with me. We`re going to get into Toronto mayor, Rob Ford, who makes yet another apology. We`ll have that story in the "Last Call."
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ROB FORD, TORONTO MAYOR: Monday was unfortunate. I had a minor setback. We all experience these difficult bumps in life.
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PINSKY: Welcome back. That was Toronto mayor, Rob Ford, once again having to explain his interesting behavior. He was videotaped earlier this week swearing and slurring his words at a fast-food restaurant. It was called Steak Queen, if I remember right. Was that it, Jenny?
HUTT: It`s unclear.
PINSKY: The steak king --
HUTT: Yes. The Steak Queen, yes.
PINSKY: OK. Later, he admitted that he had a "couple of beers," that`s his quote, "couple of beers."
HUTT: Just two.
PINSKY: But still insists he`s working hard every day to improve his health and well-being.
HUTT: Indeed, I can see.
PINSKY: Well, here`s what -- I see no evidence, Jenny, that he is doing anything to treat his alcoholism. And my concern is that he`s, perhaps, in the hands of people that don`t know how to manage it. It may not be his fault. But there is --
HUTT: Well, Dr. Drew --
PINSKY: By the way, by the way, if he were active in a program and I heard the language of treatment and he had a slip, so be it, that`s fine. But I see nothing to suggest that he`s doing anything with his alcoholism - - Jenny.
HUTT: But here`s what`s (INAUDIBLE) to me. We talk on the show all the time about the issues of mental health, right, and how people don`t have access to it readily and it`s a tough situation all around. And then you have someone like this mayor, Rob Ford, who does have money, who does have access, who does have the possibility of treatment and real people to help him and he`s squandering all that possibility.
PINSKY: I agree. We`ll, no doubt, hear more from him. Before I go, I want to remind people, HLN`s Robin Meade sits down with some of the biggest names in music to give you a look behind the scenes of the biggest night in music. It is "Backstage with Robin Meade," "Backstage Express with Robin Meade," tomorrow night, 6:00 eastern time. You do not want to miss it.
Thank you all for watching. Jenny, thank you for a good show. And of course, thank you to my panelists. You guys never cease to amaze me.
PINSKY: And "What Would You Do?" starts immediately following the show, in fact, starts, right now.