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Judge Rules on Brain-Dead Woman's Case; "Planet Hillary" Fuels 2016 Speculation; Inside the Mind of the Biebs; Grammy Awards Big Winners and Big Performers

Aired January 25, 2014 - 09:00   ET


VICTOR BLACKWELL, CNN ANCHOR: Well, thank you so much for starting your morning with us.

CHRISTI PAUL, CNN ANCHOR: Yes, we've got a lot more ahead for you in the next hour of NEW DAY SATURDAY which starts right now.

9:00 straight up. Well, almost with about 15 seconds. I'm Christi Paul. We are so glad to have your company today.

BLACKWELL: We're ahead of schedule. I'm Victor Blackwell. Seven seconds until 9:00 here on the East Coast. 6:00 on the West Coast. This is NEW DAY SATURDAY, a pleasure to have you with us.

PAUL: Yes. We do want to begin with you this morning talking about this major development in the story that we've all have been following for the last week or --several weeks. A judge orders a hospital to remove a pregnant woman from breathing machines now.

BLACKWELL: Yes. The family of Marlise Munoz has been waiting for this for some time. Attorneys for the hospital are now publicly acknowledging what Munoz's family has been telling the world.

PAUL: That she's been brain-dead since November 28th, for one, and two, that her fetus is not viable.

BLACKWELL: Now hospital officials have kept Munoz alive citing a state law that forbids removing life sustaining treatment from a pregnant patient.

We've got our Nick Valencia outside that hospital in Ft. Worth.

Nick, even with the ruling, I understand that this case isn't necessarily over.

NICK VALENCIA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: No, that's exactly right. It's -- some would say perhaps even far from over. This weekend, the hospital has a chance to talk to the district attorney to figure out if they want to appeal this judge's ruling. Yesterday, as you mentioned -- as Christi mentioned, the judge ruled that Marlise Munoz must be taken off the ventilator by 5:00 p.m. on Monday.

Now within that window that hospital the hospital has a chance to appeal. All along they've maintained that they were simply abiding by state law, there was no legal precedent. And that they needed and they were responsible for giving this pregnant woman life-saving treatment.

We spoke to the -- one of the co-writers of this law. And he said that the hospital all along was misinterpreting what he wrote.


PROF. TOM MAYO, SOUTHERN METHODIST UNIVERSITY LAW SCHOOL: And so I don't see how we can use a provision of the law that talks about treating or not treating a patient in a case where we really don't have a patient. And that's not a question of philosophical speculation. Dead is dead in Texas and in all 50 states.


VALENCIA: Eric Munoz, the husband of Marlise Munoz, has maintained that his wife has been legally brain-dead since November 28th. And some very graphic testimony emerged yesterday from the lawyers of the family. He says that he could -- he could smell death on his wife and that he's -- she's no longer the person that she once was -- Victor and Christi.

PAUL: All right. Hey, Nick, thank you -- thank you so much. We appreciate it.

BLACKWELL: Other stories we're watching this morning. The Dow. Have you watched the numbers this week? Now plunged below 16,000 for the first time this year. Dropped nearly 600 points last week. Got a worst week since 2011. And the reason, investors have been a little disappointed by corporate earnings and also the possible slowdown for growth in China's market.

PAUL: You know, George Zimmerman is facing a new legal fight, this one surrounding the new art work that he's trying to sell. The Associated Press and a freelance photographer sent him a cease and desist letter because of this.

The photographer's attorney says Zimmerman ripped off an AP photo, you see there on the left, to make the portrait on the right. And obviously that shows Florida state attorney Angela Cory announcing murder charges against him. He was acquitted, though, last summer.

Zimmerman's art first came to light last year when he sold a painting of a blue American flag for more than $100,000.

Enrollment numbers for Obamacare are ramping up after all those glitches that we saw early on. Three million people have now signed up for private insurance plans through the Affordable Care Act. That's since October 1st. In just the first three weeks of January, about 900,000 people enrolled. Now March 31st, remember, is the deadline to sign up or pay a fine.

BLACKWELL: Well, this weekend you can get a look inside what's called "Planet Hillary." Jimmy Fallon joked about this just a few moments ago here. Here it is again, it's the cover story for "The New York Times" magazine. Some of the insider details in the article are giving more speculation to the former first lady and former secretary of state's potential 2016 run.

PAUL: CNN's Erin McPike has more for us.

Yes, Erin, I'm wondering, This article is generating an awful lot of talk for a lot of different reasons right off the bat, yes?

ERIN MCPIKE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Christi and Victor, it sure is. And it bears repeating that President Obama still has three years left in the second term and will give his State of Union address Tuesday night about what he wants to do throughout year six. But the infamous Hillaryland of 2007 and '08 is coming sharply back into focus.

Well, you see it there, "The New York Times" magazine has a cover story this weekend on Hillary Clinton's still growing orbit of insiders and the role many of them will play if she runs again in a few years.

Write Amy Chozick was in "THE SITUATION ROOM" Friday evening with Wolf Blitzer to explain.


ANY CHOZICK, NATIONAL POLITICAL REPORTER, NEW YORK TIMES: Yes, absolutely. And one of the interesting things about reporting this is people had an endless list of metaphors to describe Clinton world. You mentioned Hotel California, as in you can check out, but you can never really leave. Some people said it's like prison. Not everyone can adjust to life on the outside. It can be difficult once you -- once you leave the bubble.

But there are an endless number of nicknames, categories, ways to describe this world which everyone describes as somewhat chaotic and also very devoted and a lot of loyalty there.


MCPIKE: That even the White House has had to answer questions about an election that doesn't exactly concern them this time.

Well, Jim Messina who ran the president's re-election in 2012 is running the super PAC Priorities USA that supported President Obama in the last election, but is now switching gears and fully behind Clinton.

White House press secretary Jay Carney was forced to comment on that on Friday.


JAY CARNEY, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: I think Jim Messina is an independent American citizen who's not affiliated with the president, the White House. The campaign is over.


MCPIKE: Now in general what does the president think of the next presidential campaign that in some way already seems like it's underway? Well, apparently not much.


CARNEY: The president is focused on what he can do in 2014 and 2015 and 2016 as president with the unbelievable privilege and opportunity to be the CEO of an organization that has more capacity to do good in the country and the world than any other. And that's what he's focused on. You know, what 2016 looks like I promise is not something that's on his mind.


MCPIKE: Of course it could still complicate his life pretty soon especially with both Clinton and his vice president, Joe Biden, considering bids -- Christi and Victor.

BLACKWELL: Yes. Priorities USA skipped, I guess, right over the sitting vice president on to Hillary Clinton.

Erin McPike, thank you.

PAUL: I want to know what Hillary Clinton thinks of it. We haven't heard from her yet.

BLACKWELL: Yes. We -- I wonder if we will --

PAUL: I don't know. We'll see.

BLACKWELL: -- about this "Planet Hillary."

PAUL: Well, I just know on this planet, it is brutally cold.


PAUL: That's all there is to it. There's no other way to say it.

BLACKWELL: From the Deep South to the northeast, snow, ice, freezing rain, sleet. All that sliding stuff. Temperatures are creating dangerous conditions for drivers. There's even talk that the Super Bowl -- listen, everybody, the Super Bowl could be delayed or postponed if New Jersey gets hit with enough snow.

This is serious.

Let's bring in meteorologist Jennifer Gray.

I can't imagine a Super Bowl Monday and hotels and flights and all that would entail.

JENNIFER GRAY, AMS METEOROLOGIST: Yes -- no, I can't imagine. I mean, it would have to be worse than anything we've seen this season. And we've seen quite a bit of snow and rain and wind and cold temperatures.

Look at this. Lake Charles, Louisiana. It was icy over the past couple of days. And it doesn't take a lot of ice to really, really wreck a city. And so it was slow go. All of that is going to melt, though. We are going to have a warm up in the south over the weekend. The cold temperatures will be in the Ohio Valley in the north anywhere from Pittsburgh, Indianapolis, even places like Nashville even getting a little bit of snow.

Also a blizzard watch in effect for the entire state of North Dakota. Already starting to see some snow peek in. So snow and winds for the northern plains. And then look at these windchills this morning. 10 below zero in Green Bay. And then a little bit of a warm-up, but then those temperatures drop off again. Atlanta's high on Tuesday, 34. So winter is not going away anytime soon, guys.


PAUL: All right. Jennifer, thank you very much.

BLACKWELL: Justin Bieber has it all. He's got the money, he's got the fame, and now he has a court date.

So how did it all good wrong for the Biebs? Oh, Biebs. We'll try to get inside the mind of the teen heartthrob ahead.

PAUL: You know, at the end of the day, it is sad.


PAUL: Seriously. It really is just a sad day.


PAUL: And we know a guy who knows what Bieber is going through. Vanilla Ice. Good morning to you. He's with us, too. Talking Biebs and you know, what it's like to have that much fame that quickly. Stay close.


PAUL: You know, DUI, I mean, I would think that's a pretty eye- opening experience for all those people, right?

BLACKWELL: Yes. It certainly is. But what if you got arrested and then the next day you walk out the door to this.

Well, yes, there in the red, that's Justin Bieber leaving a posh Miami hotel last night. Despite his arrest this week his fans still adore him.

What's that like for someone?

Well, our guest could help us understand that and answer the question. Jeff Gardere is a clinical psychologist. He joins us from New York. CNN legal analyst Paul Callan also in New York and from West Palm Beach via Skype, Rob Van Winkle, better known to most of us as Vanilla Ice. We know your real name is Rob so we'll call you Rob for this.

Thank you all for being here. Rob, I'm going to start with you. You've been there. You've been the hot, new pop star at the top of the charts. Every teenage girl had a poster of you. What is that feeling? That unstoppable feeling?

VANILLA ICE, RAPPER: Well, I mean, it's amazing, you know, but it's artificial at the same time. You know, it's not real. It's not reality. It's not what life is all about. It's, you know, screaming fans and paparazzis everywhere. You know, it's not real. So he's living this artificial life out there, you know, and probably hasn't -- doesn't even know what real life is yet. You know. It's like a snow globe. It gets shaken up and, you know, it's going to have to settle before he finds his purpose and his meaning in life.

Mine is family and friends. And I -- and that's pretty much that's what it is for everybody. But until you have the right, you know, friends, and you don't listen to your family, you know, it's hard. It is hard to transition in normal life into being an adult from a kid. Imagine trying it in Bieber's life.


PAUL: Right. I mean, you see that images of him walking out and these people just throwing themselves at him. I remember seeing pictures like that of Michael Jackson and thinking, that's a frightening way to live at the same time, too, yes?

VANILLA ICE: Yes -- no, totally. I mean, you know, people are left and right, you know, screaming and coming at you. It will definitely stop for him. Unfortunately for him, you know, more people are tuned in and want to see him kind of self-destruct than they really care about his new single or his movie. So, you know, it's just the way it goes. It's a transition period you know.

I had a weekend that lasted a few years. You know, you think of Britney Spears. She shaves her head. She loses her kids. Has problems with Federline. You know, there's a transitional period there that is just, you know, escalated out of, you know, being the celebrity and having all this artificial life I was talking about being around you.


VANILLA ICE: So once that snow globe settles, he'll figure it out from there. You know, you kind of have to ride the wave until it crashes into the shore. For me, I'm happy because I swam out and caught another wave. But what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.


PAUL: Amen.

VANILLA ICE: You know, everybody thinks --

PAUL: That's a good -- that's a good point.

VANILLA ICE: It's funny what he's doing except for the, you know, drinking and driving.


PAUL: Right.

VANILLA ICE: That's just not cool.

BLACKWELL: That's seriously a crime and he could have hurt someone.

Let me get Jeff Gardere here.

And, Jeff, let me get you in here. I want to ask about, you know, I use the word unstoppable. But give us the idea psychologically having these girls scream your name, everyone who is around you works for you and lives off your success. It would be tough for anyone not to feel invincible and unstoppable in that environment.

JEFF GARDERE, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, absolutely. Rob I think hit it right on the head when he said that you are going through this transition at the age of 19. Now think about a 19-year-old who is in -- still in the teen rebellion phase, still going through the maturation phases. And that's difficult by itself.

But now you're doing it in front of the world and then you have all of this reinforcement for your bad behavior because no matter what you do, everybody still loves you. Your fans still love you. Though we, in the media, and other folks who are a little bit more mature, are laughing at this young man, which I think is kind of sad in itself because you don't want to kick someone while they're down.

But the problem with him, as it was with Rob, as it was with many people, is that you're surrounded -- when you're a superstar, you're surrounded by all of these yes people. And what they need to be surrounded by are family, friends and the people who can say no to you. Those are the things that you need to get you through an incredible life such as the one that he's living right now.

PAUL: OK. So, Paul, let's bring you into this because the legal system may be the one that say no to him.


PAUL: What is -- the big question I think a lot of people are wondering is, I mean, this kid is Canadian. What is the possibility that he could get deported because of this?

PAUL CALLAN, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: Well, I think it's unlikely that he will be deported on this but obviously unless he gets his life together he -- he's on a bad road. And a lot of these celebrities when they get into trouble with drugs and alcohol, it's very destructive and it's a judge in the end who says, you know, I don't care how famous you are. You're going to jail.

He's probably going to get by on this one. There is one count involving the resisting arrest that could be a little problematic. I was speaking to a well-known immigration lawyer in Boston, Rachel Self, who was telling me that that could be a crime of moral turpitude.

The other problem, and this is more immediate, if he goes back to Canada, coming into the United States is considered a privilege. He could be denied entrance at the border if a consular official of the U.S. in Canada felt he was unworthy of admission so -- because of drugs or alcohol or the egging incident in California or whatever -- and whatever else may lie in the future. So he's got to be careful if he wants to keep working in the United States.

BLACKWELL: Rob, have you reached out to Justin Bieber? And if you were to speak to him what would you tell him?

VANILLA ICE: Absolutely. I actually know Justin Bieber. He's a good kid. He's just lost right now. He's running with some bad influences. I'm not making excuses for him but, you know, he's young and dumb right now.


And he's not really listening to anybody, but one thing about money is it doesn't make you smart. My advice for him is to come on to the Vanilla Ice Project and we'll show him what some hard work is all about. We'll trade the liquor for some coffee and get up at, you know, 5:00 a.m. and make things happen and find a purpose in life. And maybe eventually he'll find a nice lady and settle down and figure out the best thing in life which is family and friends.


PAUL: Amen.

CALLAN: Victor, can I just say one thing to Vanilla Ice?

BLACKWELL: Very quickly, yes.

CALLAN: I just want to say, ice baby.


CALLAN: Thank you.

PAUL: Yes, he hasn't heard that before, right? We've been saying it all morning.

BLACKWELL: This is a marker for Paul Callan.

Thank you, all.

GARDERE ICE: Paul, Paul -- it's ice, ice, baby.

BLACKWELL: Yes. Thank you.

CALLAN: I'm sorry. Ice, ice baby.

PAUL: Just got to get right. Yes. Thank you.

BLACKWELL: Jeff Gardere --

CALLAN: Thank you.

BLACKWELL: -- Paul Callan, Rob Van Winkle, AKA, Vanilla Ice. Thank you so much.

Of course, none of us will want to miss Vanilla Ice's latest show "Vanilla Ice Goes Amish" on the DIY Network.


Also watch the other show where he's rehabbing homes in Palm Beach County.

PAUL: Yes I know. He has -- he had some really good advice. I hope that a lot of us can listen to that advice that he gave us today.

BLACKWELL: Yes. Although --

PAUL: It's a very good advice so thank you again, gentlemen, all of you, for sharing your perspective today.

BLACKWELL: As Vanilla Ice famously said, will it ever stop? Yo, I don't know.


PAUL: He's even quoting him, I love it.

All right. Still to come on NEW DAY, it is the biggest night in music. You should take this away, Mr. Quote of the Day.

BLACKWELL: From the Beatles reunion to a possible performance between Jay-Z and Beyonce. We'll tell you the biggest names expected to take the stage tomorrow night.


BLACKWELL: Get ready for the Grammy. The big show is tomorrow night.

PAUL: Jay-Z, Justin Timberlake and Macklamore. Just a few of the artist. Obviously they're nominated.

CNN entertainment correspondent Nischelle Turner has more for us.

Good morning, Nischelle.

NISCHELLE TURNER, CNN ENTERTAINMENT CORRESPONDENT: So there's a lot to look forward to for Sunday night but it's not about who takes home the awards. The fun in the Grammys are on the performances.

L.L. Cool Jay will be hosting for the third straight year. Daft Punk, Kendrick Lamar joined by Imagine Dragons, Pink with Nate Ruess from the band Fun, all of them are Grammy nominees who will be taking the stage. There's a lot to be excited for. Because it's been confirmed that both Paul McCartney and Ringo Starr will be taking the stage. But the question is, will they be performing together?

By the way, this year marks the Beatles' 50th anniversary since arriving to the United States. And both Ringo and Paul will be honored with a Lifetime Achievement Award at Sunday's show.

So that leaves us with the so-called surprise performers. How about this one for you? Power couple, Jay-Z and Beyonce. The news was confirmed via a commercial for the award show that aired last Sunday, although there hasn't really been any other details about what to expect, but we can just hope that the duo will debut their newest duet "Drunken Love" or I can hope that maybe they'll sing a throwback, like "Crazy in Love." My favorite, by the way.


Who knows? Maybe their daughter Blue Ivy will grace the stage and it can just be a family affair at the Grammys.

Back to you.

PAUL: Thank you, Nischelle. That would make some news.


PAUL: Seeing the whole family together like that on stage.

I know you probably had some ideas about who thought got snubbed. Well, HLN's Robin Meade has the 411 on this year's awards. Surprises, snubs, all of it.

Be sure to watch "BACKSTAGE EXPRESS." It's tonight at 6:30 p.m. right here on CNN.

BLACKWELL: Still to come on new day. No baby strollers for this little guy. A 2-year-old is ripping it up on a skateboard, but first, this weekend's "OPEN COURT."


UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: John McEnroe's approach to the game hasn't changed one bit.


UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Same lefty serve. Same approach to the net. And the same attitude.

JOHN MCENROE, PRO TENNIS PLAYER: You cannot be serious.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Do you ever look back at your old tapes and wince?

MCENROE: No, I don't look back. I hear about it a lot. I hear they're on YouTube now so I'm sort of -- I've gotten a second wind, I guess, with the kids. They're like, man, you were crazy. But yes, I was getting into it. But I mean no more so to me than a lot of other sports and a lot of other situations. I think it was because it was tennis, it was different.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Folks, don't be surprised if you see him questioning a call or approaching a nervous umpire. It is part of the game that Johnny Mac fell in love with all those years ago.



PAUL: All right, look. Everybody likes free stuff.


PAUL: That's a no-brainer. But every once and a while, you've really got to work for it.

BLACKWELL: And a bunch of Chick-fil-A in Rockford, Illinois, braved the bone-chilling cold this week for a shot at winning three Chick- fil-A for a year. Twelve degrees this day. Twelve degrees in Rockford. One guy is on leave from the military and he spent a week with his wife in a tent outside the new restaurant.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I get to spend time with my wife and it's fun.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He was more for this one than I was. You know, we have a family of five. So it's a good way to save money and, you know, take the kids out to lunch.


PAUL: Oh, my gosh. About 100 people won free Chick-fil-A meals for the next year. They are actually getting one free meal a week for 52 weeks, is what it comes down to. But you know what, you did that, you deserve it. Go ahead. Have at it.

BLACKWELL: Hey, this next story has gone viral. I need you to see this. So look at the television. A baby, still in diapers, riding a skateboard. Look.

PAUL: And loving every minute of it.

BLACKWELL: He is legit riding this thing.

PAUL: He is. Look at him. He's doing better than I would.


PAUL: Just down trees, jumping over curbs. And it's not problem for this little guy. He's from Australia actually. Probably comes from a family of skateboarding enthusiasts. BLACKWELL: According to the boy's family, I mean, he's been on wheels since he was 6 months old.

PAUL: You don't even stand up straight for a long time at 6 months old.


BLACKWELL: He figured out a way to do it.

PAUL: Yes, he did.

Hey, thank you so much for sharing some of your time with us this morning. We will be back here at the top of the hour.

BLACKWELL: Yes, but coming up right now on an all-new "YOUR MONEY" Super Bowl week is here and that means big money being shelled out for big parties.

PAUL: But as CNN's Christine Romans explains, it also means big tax breaks for the companies having all the fun.