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Philip Seymour Hoffman`s Drug Addiction; Woody Allen`s 1992 Interview to "60 Minutes": Analyzing Body Language; Woody Allen Says He Never Molested His Daughter

Aired February 4, 2014 - 21:00   ET



DR. DREW, CNN HOST: Tonight, Philip Seymour Hoffman, the autopsy, the heroin supplier and the mother of his children. Then Woody Allen, a daughter`s accusations of sex abuse, his denials. Who is telling the truth? His former teenage lover is here.

Plus, our series "Hooked: Social Media Stars" continue. This YouTube stars Olga Kay and Miranda Sings - they give us their take on the day`s bizarre stories. Let`s get started.


DR. DREW: Good evening, everyone. My cohost is attorney and Sirius XM radio`s Jenny Hutt who was with us at the Howard Stern party and we were just telling tales about that just minutes ago.

JENNY HUTT, SIRIUS XM RADIO HOST: We were indeed. Some of us, people, could use your help, Dr. Drew.

DR. DREW: Well, that`s what we are talking about. We`ll get into that later. But coming up, we`ve got Woody Allen`s former girlfriend. She was with Woody Allen when she was 17.

HUTT: Yes.

DR. DREW: And guess what, he was 42.

HUTT: Right.

DR. DREW: So we`ll get her point of view on this whole controversy with Dylan.

HUTT: Sexy.

DR. DREW: Nice. But first, new details about the death of Philip Seymour Hoffman and the drugs found in his apartment. Take a look.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This eerie and chilling photo may be one of the last taken.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The day before he was found dead in the Manhattan apartment, Hoffman went to his favorite coffee shop and he met two people for dinner at a West Village restaurant and then later Hoffman withdrew $1,200 cash.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They found nearly 50 envelopes containing what they believe to be heroin inside Hoffman`s Manhattan apartment labelled with the street name Ace of Spades.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is the specific brand of heroin. Law Enforcement has been watching for years.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The actor`s ex-partner and mother of his children, she saw Hoffman near the West Village apartment. She said he seemed, quote, "high."

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police are searching for this dealer or anyone connected to his death.


DR. DREW: Joining us to do - social commentator, Jillian Barberie, TV personality and new to the program, Michael Yo, cohost of the "Insider" on CBS. Michael, welcome, my friend.


MICHAEL YO, CO-HOST "THE INSIDER": Thank you so much.

DR. DREW: Addiction specialist Shelly Sprague, she was the resident technician on "Celebrity Rehab," she herself recovering heroin addict with much to say here. But first, let`s go to TMZ`s Dax Holt. Dax, anything up tonight, any new news?

DAX HOLT, TMZ REPORTER: Yeah, you know, we posted the story earlier today basically talking about how six weeks before he died he, you know, he was telling friends that he actually foresaw his death by ODing. I guess - he were - got back and tried injecting back in December. And, you know, apparently friends we talking to him about it and he said, look, I don`t stop. I know that I`m going to die. And he realized how bad his addiction was. But, you know, these addictions, they consume your life. And it`s really hard to stop and I know, you know, obviously, he had gone to rehab. He knew how serious it was, but heroin will just take over. And I know you know that more about that than anyone else.

DR. DREW: Yes.

HOLT: But the other thing is, the fact that he was - he was one of those people that with NA meeting, he was the guru, he was the person trying to inspire other people to keep clean and I think that just shows you, you know, as much as you want to stay clean you could be wondering, you could be one needle away from really getting back into what you were doing.

DR. DREW: That`s exactly right. Now with that?

HOLT: You know, with this - with these autopsy result, a lot of people are asking what is going on with that. While we are expecting to hear about those tomorrow. Have a toxicology, it might take about six to eight weeks. And the other big news for today is that they - when they went through his room they did not find that deadly strain of heroin that we were talking about yesterday.

DR. DREW: The ace of spades or whatever it was. Interesting. That`s very - thank you. Dax.

So, Shelly, you know, people - so, obviously, he chose to use heroin. Even though he knew it was going to kill him. Obviously, it was a choice. Help people understand how a heroin addict can know they are going to die on some level and yet keep shooting.

SHELLY SPRAGUE, ADDICTION SPECIALIST: Well, because it is such a profound drug that it turns .

DR. DREW: Did you ever think that way?

SPRAGUE: the truth into lies. Absolutely. Absolutely. It is just - it`s absolutely.

DR. DREW: How did you avoid the same outcome?

SPRAGUE: It is madness. Well, I continue to, you know, work on my, you know, recovery. I continue to stay humble. I continue to, you know, understand that the severity of my disease hasn`t gone anywhere and that I`m at risk for relapsing and dying just as anybody else who has recovery time. It is not about time. You know, we only have, you know, today. And that`s what is important to understand, is that we all have today. And if we don`t take care of today, you know, we might end up in the situation like this very talented actor. And it is very sad to me that this is what happened to him in his life.

DR. DREW: Right.

SPRAGUE: But I do understand the fact that he started on prescription pills and certain of it.


DR. DREW: Yes.

SPRAGUE: And this is what happens when that progresses.

DR. DREW: Yes.

SPRAGUE: And in two years from prescription drugs through alcohol and your drug of choice is heroin guess where you are going. You are going to heroin. It took him in two months.

DR. DREW: Does that get through to you, guys, any of you - Does Shelly reach you with what she is saying? Michael, no?

YO: I mean my thing with this is I want to go to the girlfriend. Mimi. This question is for you, Dr. Drew. It seems to me it would be the worst thing to do is kick him out of his house with his three kids and make him go on his own.

DR. DREW: Well, hold on. Shelly. Hold on, Michael. We`ve got a little delay tonight so I`m going to be talking over each of you a little bit to try to get your attention. I apologize to viewers and my guests, if there is sort of an overlap here, but that`s the way we`re technically. Shelly, do people bail out on you, does that help or hurt?

SPRAGUE: Yes, when they were finished with me and they weren`t paying my bills anymore and they weren`t going to pick up my messes and they weren`t going to bail me out, and they weren`t going to pay my car note and all those things - I had to face what I was doing.

DR. DREW: But I bet it got bad, though, before you faced it. I tell people how bad it got.

SPRAGUE: It got very, very bad. And I was close to death as well.

DR. DREW: Michael, did that get through to you? That all they can do sometimes is leave. That only (inaudible) their attention. They can`t stay because...


YO: But I mean, Dr. Drew - but you being a doctor, would you suggest like a family to just bail on a person at their worst time? It seems like that`s the wrong thing to do?

DR. DREW: Well, it is not just bailing. Jenny, if you - I know in your house heroin would be celebrated, I`m sure.

HUTT: Yes, no, first of all, I would be the worse, Dr. Drew. I would - I would be so - I am so co-dependent. I would never kick my husband out. God forbid he went near the heroin. By the way, he would be in so much trouble if he did.


HUTT: In so much. But I would never. I would take care of him. I would cradle him, I`d hold him through the withdrawal.

DR. DREW: So, is that - That is just .

BARBERIE: But that`s not necessarily the right thing.

DR. DREW: Yeah, they kill - let them keep using. Segun, you have a friend who was a close friend of Hoffman`s sister, right? You`ve learned something?

SEGUN ODUOLOWU, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: Yes, he actually went to school with Philip Seymour Hoffman and his sister. He was in the same grade as his sister. Philip was one year ahead. And I think that, Dr. Drew, you would agree that there are no blanket treatments for addiction and everybody is different. And so, you know, some people respond well to cold turkey or to tough love. But other people that is not the best thing for them. So agreeing with Michael, I don`t think that that might have been the best way for Philip to get help. And unfortunately, when you do tough love the outcome when someone hits rock bottom can be death.

DR. DREW: Well, listen, we`re not suggesting - Listen, I`m not suggesting his medical team abandoning him. I`m just saying that people around him. Sometimes, I`ll tell you.

ODUOLOWU: But even the people around him should support him.

DR. DREW: And by the way, people have grave misconceptions about tough love. It is not, hey, I`ve had it, I`m getting out of here. I hate you. I can`t stand - at you. It is I love you and I cannot tolerate seeing you dying. I know you are going to die if I stay around. Please get treatment. The moment you do I will be back and at your side. Shelly.

ODUOLOWU: But you are asking someone who is an addict to understand that.

SPRAGUE: What was she supposed to do with three small children and if somebody shooting heroin in the house?


ODUOLOWU: Yes, but you are asking - you`re asking Philip Seymour Hoffman to make rational decisions while in his addictive state. I don`t think that is fair. I mean, I understand what you are saying, Dr. Drew, but you are asking an addict who is already demonstrating poor judgment to understand what your actions are going to lead to. That to me is a bit unfair.

BARBERIE: Well, you know, first of all, my condolences to his partner of so many years and his children. And who knows how much she put up with? Who knows how much love she did give? We have no -- maybe the past two years she gave all that love and she said that is that. You know, I have to give him -- some people hit rock bottom in jail. I don`t know where, you know, Shelly yours was and Dr. Drew, this would be a question for you. But I am still fascinated by the fact that this man had 23 years. That humbles the hell out of me. That, you know, 23 years that he was this guy that people looked up to and said, 23 years, you know, that is a good thing. But as an addict knows he is that one needle away. And to dive so deeply and so quickly, it just makes me.

DR. DREW: Yeah, Jillian, it`s scary. It`s scary. It doesn`t diminish his 23 years at all. It doesn`t diminish the help he`s handed out to other people across those 23 years. Shelly and I, we didn`t discuss this, but we have come to the same conclusion that usually people with that long term sobriety inadvertently get put on some prescription medication. It`s not acknowledged that they are triggering their disease and off they go. Shelly, is that about right?

SPRAGUE: Absolutely. I guarantee that this is what happened in this case, like many, many other cases.

DR. DREW: Shelly, tell the story about what happened to you when you woke up - when you woke up after a surgery having given some morphine. What it was like just to be exposed to morphine. Even though your - was intact. You knew a lot about the disease. What happened to your thinking?

SPRAGUE: My thinking went exactly back to where it was before. I didn`t want to see anybody. I didn`t want to talk to anybody. I didn`t want my family there.


SPRAGUE: I wanted to close the curtains, I wanted to watch TV. I want to watch clock set the next time I got that injection again.

HUTT: Wow.

DR. DREW: And manipulate the nurses so you can get it.

SPRAGUE: I was completely in addict mode. Like this.

DR. DREW: Just in .


SPRAGUE: That is all I cared about.

DR. DREW: Just go ahead.

ODUOLOWU: Shelly, if I may just ask a question, would you say as a recovering addict that it is also a physiological thing as well as the psychological thing?

DR. DREW: No, it`s purely - forget psychology, Segun. It is a brain disease.

ODUOLOWU: OK. So, it is a disease. It is a disease.


DR. DREW: Yes.

ODUOLOWU: So, that` what I`m saying. It`s a disease, so then if someone has disease, we should not turn our back on them. This is not .


DR. DREW: That they are not responsible for his disease, he is responsible for his treatment. And that is the point they were trying to leverage him into. Michael, I give you the last word.

YO: I just think it is a terrible tragedy. And as far as me like if I was dealing with someone with addiction I would have to be around them at all times and support them no matter what. And that is what family is all about.

DR. DREW: Shelly, if you relapse look up Michael Yo.

YO: Yes, I will be there.

SPRAGUE: OK. I will.

DR. DREW: OK. Done and done.

SPRAGUE: OK. All right.

DR. DREW: Thank you for being on the panel. Next up behavior bureau gets into this conversation. And later, Woody Allen`s ex-girlfriend is here. She is the ex-girlfriend when she was a teenager. He was not. And she has some very revealing information about him and his accuser. Be right back.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He couldn`t for the love of his children put down the drugs.

SPRAGUE: I`m a recovering heroin addict. Somebody is injecting heroin who has, you know, the money to do it is going to be injecting ten times a day, 20 times a day possibly.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: With some sobriety - you do develop arrogance. I`ve been guilty of it myself.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Who didn`t come up to him and say, you know what, can I help you?


DR. DREW: Back with Jenny. We`re talking about Philip Seymour Hoffman`s death. Let us bring in the behavior bureau. Leeann Tweeden, social commentator Cheryl Arutt, forensic psychologist Samantha Schacher, our social commentator, host of "Pop Trigger" on the Young Turks Network and Jillian is still with us. If you would like to join the conversation you can tweet us right now at @DrDrew HLN #BehaviorBureau.


DR. DREW: Let me put a tweet up right now if you guys don`t mind in the control room. This is from somebody, evidently, in Kentucky says "This is very evident here in Kentucky after crackdown on prescription medications, terrible heroin problem in Kentucky." Which has been, my point of contention, quite along. Sheryl, do you agree that a lot of people are going typically these days from pills to the heroin?

CHERYL ARUTT, PSY. D. CLINICAL & FORENSIC PSYCHOLOGIST: Yes, Dr. Drew. I - and, you know, I used to be a child actress. I have seen this firsthand growing up. I remember having cigarettes shoved at me as a teen because it keeps your weight down and that turned into like a two pack - two Marlboro Lights packs a day habit for a while. Thank goodness that is over. But, you know, I think a lot of creative artist people have this voice in their head that says to them, you know, if you give up the part of you that makes you suffer, that gives you that part of you that makes you miserable and have this angst, that you are going to lose the thing that makes you special and you are going to become just mediocre.

DR. DREW: I know. I think that is just the disease taking advantage.


DR. DREW: That addiction - the disease will take advantage of any crazy thinking. But Leeann, you`ll have none of this, right?

LEEANN TWEEDEN, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: Well, to me - look, I was a model, too. And cocaine was everywhere. They just wanted to give it to you so you didn`t eat and you got skinny, and you could stay up all night and party with editors and people of different magazines. That was part of it. But I chose not to do drugs. You know, and to me for somebody to say, yes, he was an addict and yes, he had a disease, but he had to do the heroin first. He had to start with alcohol, he had to go to prescription drugs. Then he had to heroin.

DR. DREW: No way. We could say that he probably started. We are saying he probably was prescribed medication and someone said here, you needed to take this and didn`t identify that the doctor had activated the disease and didn`t take the necessary precautions to deal with the fallout.

TWEEDEN: Well, then how do you know he is an addict, Dr. Drew, if he was given painkillers for something else? How do you know anybody is going to be an addict?

DR. DREW: You ask - well, he knew. I`m not talking about when he was a kid. He has most recently this relapse. As a kid, kids use it for many different reasons.

TWEEDEN: Well, OK, but I`m just using for the first time.

DR. DREW: Well, first time - you know, kids use because there is peer pressure, kids use to feel good, kids use to feel better because they come from a traumatic background. Sam, you wanted to say something.

SAMANTHA SCHACHER, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: Yes, Dr. Drew. Yes, of course, addiction is a disease. And we talk about this all the time on your show. You always say that we need to treat addiction just like we would cancer. And thank god for your expertise and advocacy. So, if that is the case, what are we doing as a nation to help our current addicts who are currently using and refusing to accept treatment for a number of different reasons? What about some of the unconventional supervised injection sites that I recently read about in Europe and Canada? Do you think that that .

DR. DREW: They are talking about here.

SCHACHER: . could be implemented here?

DR. DREW: Yes. That`s absolutely. There is a very powerful harm reduction movement.

SCHACHER: OK, So, why don`t we do something like that?

DR. DREW: But it is happening. It is a very powerful harm reduction movement. Jenny, you wanted to say something?

HUTT: Well, I did. First of all, I was neither an actress, nor a model. Surprise! But I did suffer from a ton of angst, still do have tremendous anxiety. But it never went - it sort of kept me away from getting into drugs and alcohol. And I feel like Dr. Drew, it`s proved positive what you are talking about that it`s really an actual brain disease. Certain people are wired to be addicts.

DR. DREW: Genetic.

HUTT: And certain are not. And so, here`s my question, Dr. Drew. Is there any studies happening now that can help parents predict whether a kid is going to have the propensity to be an addict?

DR. DREW: Well, look, if you have the child who suffered interpersonal trauma, sexual abuse, severe abandonment, neglect, physical abuse and the physic family history of alcoholism addiction within - in the first three relative. That`s the combo. That`s the combo that sets people up for this. And just look at the genetic heritage of family. Be very honest about it. The people have momentum with alcohol. You`ve got to raise your kids to understand what that potential is all about. Jillian, what is your reaction?

BARBERIE: Well, I was just going to react to what Leeann was saying. And I get it, you know. For some people cocaine could be in front of them, they could snort it once and never want to do it again. And for the addict it is a whole different ball game. And, you know, to think that this guy went for so long and did so well and had three kids and amazing career. You know, addiction knows no boundaries. It doesn`t care. And Shelly, perhaps this is more directed towards you. And you have seen so much and I used to watch you on that show with Dr. Drew. And I would be exhausted at the end of your day.

DR. DREW: I have to represent Shelly. Shelly is on the - I was on the last panel, I`m afraid.


DR. DREW: Shelly - you can represent Shelly.

BARBERIE: Well, my questions.

DR. DREW: No, she is exhausted at the end of the day. And she - cleaning up vomit and she`s having people yell at her. But here is the thing. Here`s the thing. We know it`s on the other side. We know how they get when they get better. And that gives us hope for everything. So we can struggle through all the misery. And we understand they are not in their normal brain state. They are in a disease state.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Start drugs in the beginning?

ARUTT: It`s like there is a whole other part of a person`s brain saying, this is why it`s OK to use. Or something good happened, it`s OK to use.


ARUTT: Something bad happened, it`s OK to use.

DR. DREW: Stinking thinking, we call that.


DR. DREW: At the end stuck on the idea that there is something we can do about the person using drugs in the first place. And yes, there is, good mental health services might reduce the risk of people picking it up in the first place. That is absolutely true. But if they don`t have access to that, nobody identifies the kids at risk, they don`t understand they are starting to use substances. Be - listen, think about this, parents. If you are aware your kid is using substances you have a major problem because kids go to great lengths to hide it. If you are aware of their substance use, don`t go at it alone. Get help. Don`t let this be the long term outcome. Thank you, panel. Coming up, a couple having sex in a car end up dead. That`s a headline. But next I`ll tell you how that happened. But I have to leave it hanging for now. But next, Woody Allen in his own words, a body language expert is going to look at his interview and tell us what she believes in fact he is saying and whether he is being truthful. Take a look at it. I`d be right back after this.


DR. DREW: Dylan has publicly accused Woody Allen of sexually assaulting her when she was just seven.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: These crimes don`t happen in front of a busload of guns. There is no video tape. It is very difficult to prove.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: All of a sudden, see, all this evidence that could lend to Woody Allen being unfairly and unjustly persecuted.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When they see Woody Allen getting this acclaim they are probably upset and they want to come out with something.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If we`re going to look at his life time, let`s look at all of it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why are we so surprised? Here is a man who took disgusting pornographic pictures of his girlfriend`s daughter with her legs spread when she was pretty young. Why are we so? The people defending him are the people that want to be in these movies that are in these movies, are people making movies about him.


DR. DREW: Back with Jenny and our behavior bureau. Leeann, Cheryl, Sam, and we are adding body language expert Patty Wood.


DR. DREW: Patti Wood joins us because us we are going to take a closer look at a rare interview with Woody Allen. He was first accused of sexually abusing his daughter Dylan Farrow back in 1992. He subsequently responded to that with an interview with "60 Minutes" on CBS. Take a look at that. We`ll look at three pieces of it. Take a look at one right now.


STEVE KROFT, CNN ANCHOR: The allegations are that you took Dylan into an attic or crawl space that you touched her in her private part. Is there any truth to that at all?

WOODY ALLEN: Be logical about this. I`m 57. Is it illogical that I`m going to at the height of a very bitter acrimonious custody fight, drive up to Connecticut, then I`m going to drive up there and suddenly on visitation pick this moment in my life to become a child molester. It is just incredible. If I wanted to be a child molester I had many opportunities in the past. I could have quietly made it a custody settlement with Mia in some way. And done it in the future. I mean, you know, it is so insane.


DR. DREW: All right, Patti, let`s see what you see?

PATTI WOOD, BODY LANGUAGE EXPERT: Well, first of all, you have to say he is a brilliant actor, director, writer and comedian. And he uses all of those talents to really control this interview. When he is asked the question, this is so interesting, you know how he poses and he almost smiles as he`s listening to this horrible accusation. But then quickly, before he even responds, he doesn`t deny it, he doesn`t say no. He instead does all of these retreat and blocking signals. He retreats in his chair. He covers his mouth, he looks down. He coughs, clears his throat and then says let`s be logical. And actually continues with the interview to attack Mia. These are not cues, these are not signals of somebody that is innocent. That is interesting. I believe he is guilty of something and he does a very good job of controlling his interview to cover up.

DR. DREW: I want to look at one more bit of tape, then we`re going to turn it over to the panel. He actually in this little piece reveals that he believed Mia Farrow concocted the story to punish him for having had the affair with - you always heard it was their adopted daughter. It turns out that Soon-Yi was not - it was her adopted daughter. And Dylan was his adopted daughter with her. And he tells "60 Minutes" that Mia threatened him with a custody fight and threatened him with something horrible because she had taken away his daughter.


ALLEN: Mia had said to me you took my daughter and I`m going to take yours.

KROFT: What did she mean by that?

ALLEN: She meant by it that I had formed a relationship with her 21-year- old daughter and she was going to get my daughter. It was Dylan, I only have one daughter. That`s what she meant. She was going to .

KROFT: take her away.

ALLEN: Revenge that way, yes.

KROFT: Because of your affair with Soon-Yi.

ALLEN: Yes. Yes. Absolutely. You took my daughter, I`m going to take your daughter.


DR. DREW: Sam, I heard you trying to ring in there. You were like yesterday you were confused about this. This is such delicate territory. I almost hate that we`re covering this. But what do you say?

SCHACHER: I agree, because you don`t want to risk the chance of further re-victimizing the victim. And here`s the thing, Dr. Drew. I think people need to be careful about misjudging without knowing all the facts. I am one of the first to admit that when I read that open letter, I was outraged, I wanted to see Woody Allen rot in hell. But here is the thing: I did a lot of research and there are inconsistencies. This is - by no way am I saying that Dylan Farrow is lying or she made it up, or this didn`t happen, but I do think that we need to remain objective and do look at the fact that there are two sides of the story and that there are inconsistencies with Mia Farrow. Just saying.

DR. DREW: Cheryl, let me ask you this. Is there such a thing as distorted memories? I believe that is, but most of the time when there`s smoke, there`s fire. Most of the time the kids accuse a parent of sexual abuse because that is what happened.

ARUTT: Right.

DR. DREW: But it can - it is not like it can`t happen the other way.

ARUTT: Of course, Dr. Drew, but can I just say what creeps me out the most is that Woody Allen doesn`t say no, this didn`t happen and the thought process that he goes into, reminds me of another case we covered very extensively. He says if I were to become a child molester I would do it differently, I`d do it better, do it in a way where I could keep on doing it in the future. And I have to say for whatever reason it reminded me a lot of Jodi Arias saying if I were to kill Travis I would have done it more humanely. I would have done it better. I would have - it`s just somehow stuck in my craw. I have to say.

DR. DREW: Leeann, do you agree? I think that is really interesting, Cheryl. Leeann?

TWEEDEN: No, I think it is very interesting. I mean I watched that entire interview. I think there were a lot of tells in there. I mean later on, like a couple of questions later he started off a sentence and said, of course I didn`t do it, so he kind of backtracks. But he did not say no like you guys just said.


TWEEDEN: You know, what I think is disturbing is that there are a lot of inconsistencies. And look, we will never know what the truth is. It`s he said and she said. And I`m just trying to look at this objectively. Just like Sam. We do the research and you look at it. And it seems maybe she was, you know, manipulating her children to hate him for whatever reason. They were in a bitter custody battle.


TWEEDER: -- with her 19 or 21-year-old daughter.

PINSKY: That`s what -- maybe that had something to do with it.

JENNY HUTT, ATTORNEY: And I think that made her crazy.


PINSKY: We`re going to get to that in a second, but let`s play the last piece of tape where Woody Allen denies that Dylan was ever abused, blames Mia for planting the story. Take a look.


WOODY ALLEN, DIRECTOR: There is no possibility. There`s no possibility that anything remotely ever happened to Dylan or that I ever did anything to Dylan. And I`m saying, not even --


ALLEN: She may believe that want to believe it. She may believe and have convinced herself of it or she may not believe it in the most cynical version of it. You know, so he believes that she does not believe it. So, he thinks that it`s absolutely in character that she has made it up quite calculatingly.


HUTT: Dr. Drew --

PINSKY: Yes, Jenny, go ahead, but Pattie -- anything there in a second. Jenny, finish.

HUTT: I just want to say that Mia was awarded full custody in this case, Dr. Drew, because there was enough evidence if the prosecutor had decided to prosecute this case and they didn`t, because they thought it wasn`t in the best interest of Dylan, the child.


HUTT: So, you got to look at that, too.

PINSKY: The prosecutor was suspicious. Patty, you see anything else --


PATTI WOOD, AUTHOR: Something else that`s very interesting to me is that -- because I`m always comparing to what would a normal, innocent person do in a deception detection analysis. He doesn`t show any concern for Dylan. Do you notice throughout that entire interview, he doesn`t show any concern for her.

And typically, somebody that`s innocent may attack their accuser, not typically with humor as he does here, but they do show concern if they`re innocent for the victim. And he doesn`t do that. It`s very disturbing.

PINSKY: Interesting. And Cheryl, you say you were creeped out by something. I`m going to add to that, because we have Woody Allen`s ex- girlfriend here to defend him even though she was 17 when they dated. He wasn`t 19. He wasn`t 21. He was 42.

And later, more from the sublime to ridiculous. This woman, right here, a former nurse, she thought it would be a good idea to inject a little fece into her husband`s IV. Why?

HUTT: Oh! That`s a crappy story.

PINSKY: I guess, we`ll be right back.



PINSKY: Jenny and I are back. Woody Allen`s daughter, Dylan Farrow, accusing her father of molesting her.

Her claims which he denies were published on the "New York Times" website where she wrote, quote, "When I was seven years old, Woody Allen took me by the hand and led me into a dim closet like attic on the second floor of our house. He told me to lay on my stomach and play with my brother`s electric train set, then he sexually assaulted me." Interesting that she calls him Woody Allen and not my dad.

HUTT: Well, yes.

PINSKY: He was adopted father at that point. I`m just saying. A lot of funny stuff about this. There`s a lot of creepiness on both sides. Back with us, Segun, Jillian, Leeann, and Sam. Joining us by the phone is Stacey Nelkin. She dated Woody Allen in 1977. At that time, in 1977, he was 42. She was just 17. She is currently the founder of the Stacey, what do you make of Dylan`s accusations?

STACEY NELKIN, DATED WOODY ALLEN, SHE WAS 17, HE WAS 42: First of all, my heart goes out to Dylan, because I think she became a pawn and a horrible victim in this disgusting scandal that I think the behavior of Woody and Mia Farrow was horrible on both parts. And unfortunately, this vendetta that Mia has against Woody has continued. There`s no expiration date. It`s continuing and 21 years later going strong.


PINSKY: Stacey, you dated him for like two years, is that right? You were like 19, 21, is that right?

NELKIN: That`s right.

PINSKY: Now, he started expressing interest to you when you were 17 and he was 42. Is that accurate?

NELKIN: He was 41, but, you know?

PINSKY: You understand that doesn`t exactly --yes, that doesn`t exactly buttress his case. you know what I mean? It makes him look like a --

NELKIN: Excuse me one second. That has -- a man being interested in a younger woman has nothing to do with accusations of child molestation. And that is where this entire thing I find very upsetting because most people are blurring the lines here and are not making a big distinction between a man that finds younger women attractive and children, prepubescent, seven-year-old girl who are their adopted daughter, by the way, sexually appealing. There`s a big, big --

PINSKY: I agree there`s a big difference, but there`s not a gigantic rift -- I`ll tell you, there`s a rift between somebody like myself that likes adult women and people that like either category, adolescence or child. But Jillian has been through this. Jillian, what do you say to Stacey?

JILLIAN BARBERIE, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: Well, I`m just -- I`m curious, Stacey. Do you -- so, you don`t believe this happened to Dylan? So, you`re basically saying that dylan`s voice doesn`t matter?

NELKIN: No. The first thing I said if you heard me was that my heart goes out to Dylan because she was a victim of all of this. I believe that Dylan believed that this happened. And I believe that she has been in a lot of pain for many, many years.

BARBERIE: But you`re basically saying you think she made it up. You think she made it up. Mia put it in her head.

NELKIN: I think it`s very possible that this --

BARBERIE: The woman who`s adopted many children --

NELKIN: --fantasy going on. All kinds of things go on in a seven- year-old`s head. But, you know, if you look at the --

BARBERIE: Well, let me tell you something.


NELKIN: -- completely unreliable.

BARBERIE: I was molested as a seven-year-old and I have a seven-year- old now.

NELKIN: I`m very sorry. That`s horrible.

BARBERIE: -- you would put that in their head is just -- to me, here`s a woman who was adopted many children, dozens of children, special needs children. She`s going to pick one and say let`s go after Woody and then that child, 21 years later --


BARBERIE: Why would she put herself in that position?


BARBERIE: You think molestation doesn`t happen --


PINSKY: Samantha, go ahead.

NELKIN: Oh, no. I believe it happened (ph), but I don`t think that Woody molested her.


NELKIN: -- is a child molester, many, many people usually come out of the closet here.

PINSKY: Samantha.

NELKIN: There was no history prior.


SAMANTHA SCHACHER, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: Stacey, do you have any specific occurrences, interactions with Mia Farrow that would lead you to believe that she was manipulative and planted this in her daughter`s mind?

NELKIN: No. But after when all of this happened, I received a call from somebody in Mia`s camp asking if I would testify that I was 15 when I was dating woody and I was not. And I said I will not do that. I was 17.

PINSKY: Well, that is evidence. That is evidence.

NELKIN: I don`t know if that was one of her lawyers or whomever.


PINSKY: That`s a piece of evidence. And Leeann --

SEGUN ODUOLOWU, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: Can I ask one question, please?

PINSKY: Yes, Segun. I`ll let you. Thank you for getting your --


ODUOLOWU: No. I felt incomplete without it.


ODUOLOWU: My question is, doesn`t there seem to be too much smoke around this fire? I mean, his name is involved too often with younger women. And 42 and 17 is a very large gap. We`re basically saying that it`s not that large of a gap for him to jump to a seven-year-old and there`s been too much smoke around this man for me to just sit there and say it`s not -- not accurate.

PINSKY: Go ahead, Stacey.

NELKIN: I`m sorry. There is a huge, huge difference between a seven- year-old child. And I was 17, but I was not a typical 17 and I saw all your heads, ladies, shaking when you, you know, when he said he dated a 17- year-old. I grew up in New York from a dysfunctional home. I was very out there.

PINSKY: Oh my.

NELKIN: I was looking for an older man --


PINSKY: That makes you a good victim.


PINSKY: Stacey, you have children, right, Stacey? Do you have any teenagers?

NELKIN: I do. I do. So, I also have been married for 16 years very happily.

PINSKY: No, no. I understand.

NELKIN: My daughter is in a very different situation than I am.

PINSKY: But you`d be flipped out if she dated a 40 -- 17 -- if she were 19 and dating a 40-year-old. That would flip you out, would it not?

ODUOLOWU: Thank you.

NELKIN: Yes. It probably would. But I don`t think the need would be there. And the need was there for me. And there was -- it was completely consensual.

BARBERIE: But you know, it`s almost like you`re defending that. The need should not have been there for him.

PINSKY: Let me get to Leeann -- Leeann, you have a chance to talk. Leeann, please, go ahead.

TWEEDEN: Well, what I was talking -- what I wanted to make a mention of is when you`re talking about the age difference, you know? And Mia was talking about, you know, she was offended that he was having an affair with Soon Yi who was 19 or 21. We`re not sure which, but she was an adult either way. Sure, he was a father figure to her regardless that he was not her actual father because that was her ex-husband.

But when Mia got together with her ex-husband and married him, she was the same age that Soon Yi and Woody Allen were. So, she was also a young bride. But nobody ever seems to talk about that.

PINSKY: That`s really interesting. There`s so much, so much interesting in this. And Stacey, I really appreciate you coming in and putting your gloves on and letting our panel have at you. But we may want to talk to you again because this is -- as usual, you know, things are --


PINSKY: -- things are messy and it`s usually not just all one person or another. It`s both of them getting into this and making the craziness. All right. We reached out -- reached out to Mia Farrow, herself, and her camp to get her side of the story. We have yet to hear back.

Next up, how did, as I said in the previous tease, how did sex in a car kill two people? You have to stand by. We`ll discuss that in just a minute.

Later crazy murder plot. Officials say this woman used fecal matter as her weapon to try to kill her husband. Back after this.




UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hey, guys! It`s me, Miranda. So, as you know, (SINGING) it`s summer time. So, sometimes, I like to take slurpee baths. Sometimes, hairs get in it (INAUDIBLE) Another game is play is blow bubbles with it.


PINSKY: Time for our series, "Hooked: Social Media Stars. Back with Jenny, Jillian, and Sam. And joining us, YouTube star comedian, Colleen Ballinger. There she is in her online character, Miranda Sings, taking a slurpee bath. That looks very uncomfortable.


PINSKY: She hosted her own channels on YouTube. Colleen, first of all, you look a little bit more sane today.


PINSKY: Thank you for bringing you`re A-game.



PINSKY: Slurpee bath? What am I supposed to understand about that?

BALLINGER: I mean, I don`t know that you`re supposed to understand anything about it except that it`s just a crazy character that I created and my videos started going viral and I have over 100 million views online and I have a one woman show that I do all over the world. And I just -- I`m an idiot on the internet.


PINSKY: The crazy Miranda with clown lipstick, is she the one woman show?

BALLINGER: Yes. She`s the one woman show, that character.

PINSKY: Olga, how about you? What do you do online?

SCHACHER: I`ve seen it. She`s hysterical.

OLGA KAY, YOUTUBE STAR: Well, I started as a juggler in the circus originally and I started --

PINSKY: Hold on. Hold on. Of course, you did. Of course, Sam. She started juggling in the circus.


PINSKY: Who amongst us (ph) didn`t start as a unicyclist or a juggler in the circus?

HUTT: I can juggle.

KAY: Correct. Just to compliment Miranda`s lipstick, clown lipstick, I used to juggle in the circus and then I discovered YouTube and I started creating comedy content. And I have four or five channels now with fashion and beauty and gaming and everything. And this year, I`ve launched knee high socks and that`s what I do now.

PINSKY: I`ve seen the sock video. I saw that. All right, guys. Let`s talk about this story. A Pennsylvania couple reportedly died while having sex in a car because they kept the car running inside a closed garage. Guess what? That is called carbon monoxide. It`s sad. They`re young people. Oh my God! Carbon monoxide poisoning. Just a month earlier, a New Jersey couple appeared to suffer the same fate.

OK. Olga, here you go, this is your chance. What do you say about these two?

KAY: Oh my gosh! Well, my first thought is always turn off the car if you`re in a closed garage. You would think --

PINSKY: Hold on. Slow down. That`s pretty fascinating advice. Take notes here. Hold on. Turn the car off in a closed garage. Maybe before you have sex, turn the car off, too.


KAY: And you know, and the sex understandable. Some people really have the urge to really do it and they have to be on the go, but be safe when you do it.


PINSKY: OK. Colleen, be on the go --


PINSKY: Colleen, what do you say?


BALLINGER: Well, first of all, I just have to say that it`s very sad that they passed away. But, that`s an epic way to go. I mean, let`s be honest. Like, if we could choose --

PINSKY: There you go.

BALLINGER: -- that`s how to go, like -- but I also was thinking when I heard about this, like how did they not know that they were dying, like you would think that if you`re feeling -- your body is filling up with carbon monoxide, you would be choking or coughing or --


KAY: I have another thought.

PINSKY: Go ahead, please.

KAY: I have another thought. I know, you know, I`m aware that choking actually creates a great orgasm, but I feel like that would be a really strange way to try it a new way.

PINSKY: Sam, thank you for introducing us to our YouTube panelist. But Jillian, the fact is you sort of slip into a sleep. You get drowsy and you know, they may be focusing on other things. And so, --

BARBERIE: Exactly. They`re just out of it in the heat of the moment and then they`re getting drowsy. And, you know, it`s like a drug and then that`s the end of that. But, you know, these were four consenting adults. It happened twice


BARBERIE: You know, I think back of that woman a few weeks ago --


BARBERIE: The woman a few weeks ago who had sex with her boyfriend in a car while her two children were dying in 130 degrees in another car. That irritates me.


HUTT: I just feel like everybody knows that you don`t leave a car on in a closed garage, and second of all, Colleen, my daughter is obsessed with you. You rock!



BALLINGER: Thank you.

PINSKY: Fecal matter murder case. Reminder, you can find us anytime on Instagram @DrDrewHLN. Be right back.




UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Chandler Police. This is Stephanie.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I need an officer. We have a situation here where, God, how do I tell you -- explain this, somebody had some heart work done and then tried to inject a foreign substance into an IV line that would possibly kill the patient.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They injected something into the line, but do we know what that something is?



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s fecal matter.





PINSKY: back with Jenny Hutt, Jillian, Sam, and our YouTube sensations, Colleen and Olga. That was the 911 call. The heart patient`s wife was arrested on suspicion of murder, attempted first degree murder. They`ve been married for 30 years. She`s a former nurse. Jenny, you had a question about this?

HUTT: Yes. Is that like a reliable thing to do? Does fecal matter kill, Dr. Drew?

PINSKY: She didn`t put it in his nose or his mouth. She put it in his IV. Anything non-sterile into your vein is bad times, and nothing worse than putting feces in there. Do you have a reaction, Olga or Colleen?

BALLINGER: I certainly have a reaction. But, yes, I just can`t believe that of all things she could have put in there, she chose poo. I think that`s very funny. And also that no one saw it. I read that nobody saw her do it. No one watched it happened. How did she find time to poop in her hand and put it inside the IV and cleaned it up?


KAY: And wait, why not pee?

PINSKY: Why not pee? Pee is sterile. Pee is sterile.

SCHACHER: That is sterile.


SCHACHER: -- on the show, too, Dr. Drew.

PINSKY: What`s that, Sam?

BARBERIE: She`s a nurse.


SCHACHER: -- seen it all on this show, Dr. Drew.

PINSKY: All right. I got to go. We`re out of time. "Last Call" is next.


PINSKY: Thank you, Jenny. Thank you to my panelists.


PINSKY: And of course, thank you all for watching. Interesting show, but coming up next is "What Would You Do" and it starts right now.