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Mixed Verdict In Michael Dunn Trial; The War Within The War In Syria; NFL Report Reveals Startling Details About Alleged Abuse From Richie Incognito; Miranda Barber Claims To Be Serial Killer; New Video Of Kenneth Bae Released From North Korea; Two Back Country Skiers Found Dead In Colorado

Aired February 16, 2014 - 17:00   ET

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FREDRICKA WHITFIELD, CNN ANCHOR, NEWSROOM: Don, did you know I actually had a hedge hog as my sister had a hedge hog a pet when we lived in Somalia. We had wild strange pets when we lived in Somalia and that was one of them, a hedge hog. It was very cute. And it was not even named. It just kind of carried around the house.

DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR: I know you were kind of different.

WHITFIELD: Different.

LEMON: I knew you were different, but that different?

WHITFIELD: I know, but it was fun. And so it is even more fun to see these, you know, bigger than life-sized creatures and the big GB.

LEMON: What was the name of your hedgehog?

WHITFIELD: It didn't have a name.

LEMON: All right.

WHITFIELD: Yes. If it did, my sister was conveniently forgotten, and I don't remember either.

LEMON: Tweet me.

WHITFIELD: I will do that. Good to see you.

LEMON: And figure out what we should name her hedge hog.

WHITFIELD: Good-bye.

LEMON: What a very busy evening we have for you today and news today here on CNN. I'm Don Lemon. Thank you so much for joining us.

It has been a specially brutally winter from many of us. And today, we got a reminder of the danger that comes with it. Just hours ago, two back country skiers who were buried in a massive avalanche yesterday were found dead. The skiers were among seven people who got caught in the avalanche in the rugged back country of Lake County, Colorado just east of Aspen.

Stephanie Elam has the latest on this tragedy and a warning to skiers.

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STEPHANIE ELAM, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The special avalanche advisory posted today says it all. Back country avalanche conditions are very dangerous this weekend, we are in the midst of a historic avalanche cycle.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: As long as there is winter here and as long as it's snowing, we are going to be concerned and we are going to continue our mitigation efforts.

ELAM: Those efforts have now come with tragic circumstances. Sunday afternoon after an extensive search in the Colorado Mountains, search and rescue workers found two bodies beneath the snow. The two were part of the team of seven that triggered an avalanche outside of Aspen.

SUSAN MATTHEWS, LAKE COUNTY OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT (via phone): The two persons that were missing were wearing beacons and the ground crew was able to find signals for them. The first team that went up had to wait for safety clearance and they found one body and then the safety team went to find the safe travesty path for the second team to go.

ELAM: The thrill of the back country is alluring but it can also kill. This weekend's deadly incident follows a string of avalanches that took the lives of six people in that past week alone from Colorado to as far west of Oregon.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is mayflower gulch.

ELAM: CNN's Gary Tuchman recently hit the back country with an avalanche and safety expert, highlighting the three must haves before you head out on the trail.

ETHAN GREENE, DIRECTOR, CALIFORNIA AVALANCHE INFORMATION CENTER: Beacon, probe, shovel.

GARY TUCHMAN, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Beacon, probe, shovel. Those are the three things you have to have them.

GREENE: That's right.

ELAM: Avalanche officials say unusual conditions in the mountains can lead to surprising avalanches.

MATTHEWS: The problem that we have in the state is that we've had a lot of snow this year. It is record snow fall for this time of year. Very deep snow. Very unstable conditions.

TRACY LECLAIR, SHERIFF'S OFFICE: People are always going for deeper and inner tract areas and, you know, unfortunately, just the snow pact right now is not conducive to taking risks like that.

(END VIDEOTAPE) ELAM: And Don, we have a bit of breaking news for you. We understand now that they have recovered the bodies and they are in the process of bringing them down the mountain right now. They are saying they are making good process, good time with this, but they are very concerned for the rescue teams because the terrain is so, so steep going up and down. And they don't want to have anymore fatalities or injuries because of this, Don.

LEMON: So, they have gotten those bodies down. They are getting them off that mountain, man, and that is a dangerous. Rescues can sometimes be even more dangerous for the people who are involved in that.

Stephanie Elam, thank you very much. Appreciate your reporting.

Parts of New England still shoveling out from a brutal weekend storm. Hardest hit was Sandwich, Massachusetts. It is on Cape Cod. The town was wallop by more than 15 inches of snow yesterday. More 1400 people lost power and so did about 4,000 other customers in surrounding areas. And forecast for the coming week is looking better for some at least as we hear now from CNN's meteorologist Jennifer Gray.

JENNIFER GRAY, AMS METEOROLOGIST: Don, that snow has moved out of the northeast so the focus now is basically going to be the Midwest. We have a front pulling through and that is going to pull some snow in the places like Chicago, Milwaukee, Minneapolis, not a huge amount, but still a little bit. Three to six inches in Milwaukee through Monday. Minneapolis could see four to eight inches, Chicago is picking up an inch or two as well.

Big story though is that shift in the (INAUDIBLE) that is going to pull a warmer air for mainly the southeast, the Deep South and the mid Atlantic as we get into the middle part of the week. Temperatures, 64 degrees in Atlanta by Monday. Tuesday, 66 and even a warm up in D.C. 47 degrees. But Wednesday's temperatures feeling so nice 61 degrees in D.C. and 67 in Atlanta on Wednesday, Don.

LEMON: Thank you, Jennifer. Appreciate that.

The country's biggest gay rights advocacy group, well, it has picked up a serious, serious political endorsement this morning in Las Vegas. Key note speaker at the human rights campaign conference, former first daughter Chelsea Clinton who now -- she co-chairs the foundation that bears her powerful family name.

Erin McPike watched Chelsea's speech at the HR seat today. And what did she have to say? What message did she bring?

ERIN MCPIKE, CNN GENERAL ASSIGNMENT CORRESPONDENT: Well, Don, she is making the rounds now that she has taken over the vice-chairmanship of that Clinton foundation as you mentioned. And today's speech was to promote equality, safety and inclusion for young gay community. And can actually compared the struggle from gay rights to women's rights. Because as you know, this subject is very close to the Clinton family.

But here she is just a bit earlier today. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CHELSEA CLINTON, VICE CHAIRMAN, THE CLINTON FOUNDATION: My mother has often said that the issue of women's rights is the unfinished business of the 21st century. That is certainly true. But so too are the LGBTQ rights, the unfinished business of the 21st century. And so, that is we all continue to work together in the not too distant future, every child whether LGBTQ or straight, can go to sleep every night knowing that go they are safe and secure and can dream about who they want to be and where they want to live, who they want to love without those dreams being shattered.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MCPIKE: Now, you may remember that Hillary Clinton announced her support for same-sex marriage last year. And incidentally, Chelsea was on stage with her mother, Hillary Clinton, this past week at New York University at an event to empower women. And she had some advice for women you may want to follow in her footsteps like Chelsea could.

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HILLARY CLINTON, FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE: One of the best pieces of advice that I have heard from anyone is from Eleanor Roosevelt in the 1920s who said that women in politics or in public roles should grow skin like a rhinoceros. I think there's some truth to that.

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MCPIKE: Now, in recent weeks, Republicans have step up the attacks on Hillary Clinton as the speculation about another presidential run continues to grow. And of course, Chelsea Clinton has been very protective of her parents, and specially her mother, and the past few years and she dressed that in a question and answer session after that speech.

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C. CLINTON: I'm unapologetically biased towards both of my parents. I mean, I'm ultimately their daughter and so grateful and proud to be their daughter. And I will support my mother. And whatever she chooses to do and my crystal ball is no more clear than yours.

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MCPIKE: Of course, if Hillary Clinton does run, you can expect that Chelsea Clinton will be a major player in that, Don.

LEMON: All right, thank you very much, Erin McPike in Washington. Appreciate that.

You know, social media has been blowing up since the verdicts were read last night in the Michael Dunn murder trial. And our political commentators have been tweeting since last night. So, is this case really black and white? That's next.

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LEMON: Four hundred and seventy days and counting. That's how long an American Kenneth Bae has been held in the North Korean prison. He is accused of the trying to bring down the government and sentenced to 15 years of hard labor. It is also how long his family has been fighting for his release, doing what they can to keep his name in the headlines and his plight for being forgotten.

Well, this week came chilling new video of Kenneth Bae in which he speaks of deteriorating help and how he is trying to keep up hope.

Here is a clip of a special report from our Brian Todd.

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BRIAN TODD, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): From the North Korean (INAUDIBLE) wearing prisoner number 103, Kenneth Bae says he has lost ten pounds since being transferred back to a labor camp a few weeks ago. The American missionary says he has been working with his hands a lot that he has some cuts and --

KENNETH BAE, AMERICAN PRISONER IN NORTH KOREA: The last few months have been difficult. So, if they can do something right away. That is the best way to do it.

TODD: Bae's conversation with the Swedish diplomat was release by chosen Sinbo, a pro-North Korean newspaper based in Japan. He told the diplomat he is being treated fairly, has access to books and TV at the camp and that staying strong mentally and spiritually.

BAE: To my family, just let them know that, you know, even though I'm here but I'm still, you know, continuing on with myself and I haven't lost hope or given up anything.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

LEMON: Well, earlier I spoke with Bae's sister, Terri Chung sports agent David Sugarman who is spearheading a new effort to bring Bae back. Chung told me that the video was just to saw it both heartwarming and hard to watch at the same time.

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TERRI CHUNG, KENNETH BAE'S SISTER: That is how Kenneth is. He is always trying to reassure us when -- because he know we worry about him. But you know, we can't help it if we were worried about him. We are concern about his health.

LEMON: And rightly so because he says he has lost ten pounds in one week since moving from a hospital back to the labor camp. What do you think when you hear that? What do you think?

CHUNG: It is a concern, you know he was moved January 20th and in about three week's time, you know, he has lost ten pounds and, you know, I think he has severe leg and back pain that is causing him a lot of pain and while he is doing the 8 hours in labor a day six days a week, so can't -- we are really deeply concerned.

LEMON: You are deeply concerned about his health, I'm sure and then the not knowing what is going on from day-to-day. Does seeing video like this encourage you and your family or does it just make the situation harder to bear?

CHUNG: It is heartbreaking. My mom has, you know, been struggling this week just because, you know, we thought things are moving in a certain direction. It doesn't seem like it is hard to see him back in the prison camp.

LEMON: And what about the kids?

CHUNG: Everybody is just, you know, really trying to hold on and will try to keep hold on to hope as Kenneth is doing. You know, remembering his words. We are glad that he is holding steady. But you know, we know that he is also trying to put up a strong front for us. So, that is hard to watch.

LEMON: There are report that is your brother was moved back to a labor camp as retaliation for upcoming U.S. military exercise with the South Korean. Have you heard anything about that terry?

CHUNG: you know, I heard -- I have seen the same reports as well. And you know, there are a lot of kind of more complex geopolitical concerns. A larger concern, a lot going on between the United States and North Korea and the rest of the world. But you know, we can't forget there is an American caught in between and we can't let him get lost in the shuffle. And you know, it is time to bring him home.

LEMON: Another person who feels that way, I'm sure Terri, is David Sugarman. He is here now. I want to bring him in.

Last week on our show, he launched a media campaign, a social media campaign and it is called BringBaeBack with the support of the Bae family. What kind of reaction have you seen?

DAVID SUAGRMAN, LAUNCHED BRINGBAEBACK: Well Don, it has been pretty amazing. We were able, you know, fortunate to launch the campaign on your show. And it has been wonderful.

LEMON: But I'm sure you would like more followers, more people to become interested in this. Because you said it was a very good analogy that you said on the show that more people vote more American idol, then it appeared to be showing support for Kenneth Bae and this is much more important than that.

SUGARMAN: I mean, it is wild to me. But you know, the twitter is active. We need the momentum. Just, you know, to date, I think about 2500, 2600 people have started to follow on twitter. And I just want to continue with that grassroots momentum and eventually get some celebrities and star power behind it.

LEMON: What is next for the campaign, David?

SUGARMAN: At the end of the day, I have had really, really, really good conversations with people in Washington, congressmen, senators, people that I never thought I would ever speak to as an agent for basketball. You know, we met Congressman Rangel who were recently here.

LEMON: And you were going to meet and discuss more issued with him but the weather prohibited you this week from doing that.

SUGARMAN: I was actually supposed to go -- you made it to Washington. I couldn't make it to Washington. But, yes, I mean, the weather did preclude me from going to D.C. But I plan on going on Monday, yes, sir.

LEMON: Terri, where are you getting the main news from your brother. How are you keeping up-to-date? Who in forms you?

CHUNG: The state department keeps us in regular contact with them. And they are the ones that are keeping us up-to-date with the latest developments.

LEMON: Is there anything you would like to say to your brother after this really tough week for him and for the family?

CHUNG: We miss you so very, very much. We care and love you very much. And just hang on, hold on. You are not forgotten and so many people are caring about you and supporting you and praying for you. So just hang on.

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LEMON: And as we promised here to the family of Kenneth Bae, we hear at CNN will stay on this story. We will stay with it, with the social media campaign, as long as it takes. And to learn what you can do to help go to twitter. It is, @bringbaeback.

I want to tell you about an important powerful film that you will see right here on CNN tonight. It is about the murder case that became known as the West Memphis three. Three men convicted and sent to prison for 18 years. Now they are free after a shocking twist that exonerated them. It is at 9:00 p.m. eastern tonight right here on CNN, "Paradise lost, three purgatories." Watch it or set your DVR.

Social media has been on fire since the verdict of Michael Dunn of the murder trial last night. Our political commentators have been sounding off on twitter. So, is the case as simple as black and white? That's next.

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LEMON: Today would have been Jordan Davis' 19th birthday. And instead of a party, his family is reacting to the verdict returned by jury in the case of a man who killed him.

Last night, Michael Dunn was found guilty on four of five counts. But the jury deadlocked on the most significant charge, first degree murder. Some people in his hometown of Jacksonville, Florida are furious. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The free the man of Jacksonville. First, we are going to hold the state accountable on mobilizing on moral Monday.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Justice for Jordan.

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LEMON: So, Michael Dunn is white and Davis black. Now, we are analyzing the fallout. What happened last night matters? So many cultural perspectives of legal perspective and a human perspective.

Here is our panel now. Marc Lamont Hill and Ben Ferguson, political commentators here. They have been exchanging tweets on the trial since last night.

Marc, here is what you tweeted. You said this verdict reinforces the notion that black lives don't matter. Mark, specifically, what needs to change in this country so that we can better protect young black men? I mean, what can we do make black live matter more in the justice system?

MARC LAMONT HILL, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, a few things. I mean, the broad overarching problem is white supremacy. As long as we believe that white lives are worth more this, that white lives are more valuable and that black lives simply are purely human, this continue to happen.

On a practical level, we need to adjust public policy. The fact that we have laws that allow people to stand their ground, that allow people to ratchet up violence, to intensify exchanges is a problem. We need stay in your car laws, mind your own business laws. You know, we need laws that permits people from doing exactly what happened and have the backing of the law. And in media level, we need to shift the way we represent black males in media. When need to shift the way we represent black males in education.. By shifting he representation, what people like Michael Dunn see Jordan Davis, they are not scared and they don't allow their fear to become actionable.

LEMON: You know, Ben, you tweeted last night that my prayers are with Jordan Davis and Jordan Davis' family and the way they spoke, you said shows that they are compassionate, they are amazing people in the world. I want to hear from Jordan Davis' mother and father last night after the trial.

LUCIA MCBATH, JORDAN DAVIS' MOTHER: We are so grateful for the truth. We are so grateful that the jurors were able to understand the common sense of it all. And we will continue to stand and we will continue to wait for justice for Jordan.

RON DAVIS, JORDAN DAVIS' FATHER: I thank you all for seeing that we as parents were good parents to Jordan and he was a good kid. He was not allowed to be sitting in the courtroom but he was a good kid. But we see, he was a good kid.

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LEMON: Ben, how do you think you would react if you were in the same position as his parents? If your son, God forbid, was shot to death after a confrontation over music?

BEN FERGUSON, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, I mean, to be as inspiration as they were last night. I think that is the untold story that, you know, good can come out of a horrible tragedy. But the way that they just talked was such, I think, just class and perspective was incredible and it was incredible for other parents to look at and say even in the worst situation, this is exactly the type of parents that we should be celebrating in this country. That were able to, in some way, and I don't even know how, not just be filled with this anger and venom, but to honor their son and legacy in such a way while they are heartbroken. And I hope that people take that away and realize that, you know, there are good parents out there that around their kids trying to do something in a positive way and that story should be told.

LEMON: Marc, go ahead.

HILL: But that shouldn't be the template for human response to unjust circumstances. In other words, she should be angry. She has a right to be angry and so on murders a child in cold blood, they should be angry.

And yes, I'm happy to see people like Sybrina Fulton. I'm happy to see people like Jordan Davis' mother out there modeling the Grace and beauty and perspective that black people have been modeling for years in the midst of torture and oppression. However, that shouldn't be the only human response that is acceptable. We should make room for black anger. We should make room to say we are angry that this child was murdered in cold blood and we need a human response and a policy response to that as well. FERGUSON: Well, I think, Marc, I think there is that anger and I think it is pretty obvious in the community. But I also think that if you listen to what the father said there when he was talking. He said, you know, the one thing is this man is going to go to jail based on what we have been told 60, 70 years at this point as it is, that is a life sentence. And so, are they happy with the murder aspect, the first charge? No, they are not. But there are jurors of all races that were there and there is -- I do think there has to be some respect for what they heard that they actually were there. They were the ones making the decision and respect their decision of what they had.

If we want to change the law, stand your ground law, by all means. Then people should be able to fight for that. I wasn't on that jury. I know there was a lot of men, women, black and white, Hispanic on that jury and they saw things that we didn't see. And I think that was one of the things that took in this tried and I appreciated that about our justice system.

LEMON: Well, a lot of people have compared -- hang on, Marc. A lot of people have compared this case to the Trayvon Martin shooting. And coming up right after the break, we are going to talk about that and there is definitely a common denominator here. And that's the prosecutor that you are looking at there, Angela Corey. Some are asking if it is time for her to go. Our conversation continues after this.

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LEMON: We are back now with more of the reactions of the controversial outcome of the Michael Dunn murder trial. Dunn is white, a white man with a gun. Jordan Davis, an unarmed 17-year-old African-American. He obviously died in that confrontation.

Now, Florida state attorney Angela Corey is planning to retry one count of the case since the jury deadlocked on the first degree murder charge Listen to this.

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ANGELA COREY, FLORIDA STATE ATTORNEY: Retrying a case is something that we have all had to do and will continue to have to do and we'll give the same full attention. We don't back off having to retry.

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LEMON: So, the Dunn trial and the George Zimmerman have this one thing in common, a controversial Angela Corey.

Let's bring back our panel now, political commentators Ben Ferguson and Marc Lamont Hill.

Ben, is it time for Angela Corey to go?

FERGUSON: I think of the community and I think most of the community is say that they have lost faith or maybe trust in her abilities to play in the big leagues on major cases, then, yes, you got to go. I mean, it doesn't matter what race you are. If you are a victim and you feel like your side is not being, you know, adequately, basically represent on something that deals with life and death and murder, then I would say if I lived in that community I would now have questions about that. Is she overcharging sometimes? Is she overreaching sometimes going for first degree or second degree and depending on what it is or is she not doing enough? Those are all issues that the community is looking at going. I don't even know if somebody know how to do her job.

LEMON: She talked about that last night. She addressed the overcharging. She said there is no such thing as overcharged. She said that someone on the prosecution has the right to -- they can go for stand your ground or there are other facets of the law that they can use.

FERGUSON: Sure.

LEMON: She said that that was a fallacy about being overcharge. Marc, did you hear --

FERGUSON: But I'll say this, though, would you want her representing you? I wouldn't hire her? I mean, that is the issue is, even --

LEMON: I would hope that I would never be in the position.

FERGUSON: Would you had to choose a lawyer would you pick her?

LEMON: I don't know enough about her. So, I can't really answer that question.

But Marc, where do you see the failure in the prosecution presenting its case?

HILL: I think in a few areas. Everything from -- and this is the same on the Trayvon Martin case. Part is jury selection. Part of it is not presenting motive. You know, you don't have to present a motive as a prosecutor. But it really something like they were constantly chasing the defense's tail which is the exact opposite of what you want the prosecution to be doing in this case like this. I don't think they give the jury enough. They were already skeptical to make that first-degree case. I think that was a severe problem here. I never saw the compelling argument. I never saw a complete narrative strong out.

The other piece of it is overcharging. It seems to me, despite of what she says, that she did overcharge. The second-degree murder was a much easier reach than first-degree murder. It is a much harder case to move. People aren't compels to lockup people like Michael Dunn for first-degree murder and we saw that twice. They are She isn't somebody that the community has lost the most confidence in and it is time for her to go.

LEMON: Well, speaking of the charges, should this have been charged as a hate crime, Marc, and then Ben?

HILL: I'm dubious on hate crimes in journalist. It is hard to get inside of people's heads and in this philosophical question of whether we want to punish people more for having hate in them. I'm not sure if this was a clear hate, but it was certainly clear racist crime and that is where I found disappointing.

LEMON: Ben?

FERGUSON: I have never understood a hate crime because if you are pulling a trigger at somebody, you obviously hate them. I have always thought that is kind of a ridiculous overreach. I mean, if you are trying to kill someone in the situation or you are not, you are either a murderer or you are not. If you kill someone you hate them. I mean, you don't love them. No one says I went out and shot someone because I love them? I thought the hate crime thing, if anything, makes it be more -- I'll say this. Being a victim of a gun crime and knowing when the two guys got caught, they said they racially profiled me because I was white. Should they have been charged with hate crime? They were charged with the crime of attempted murder. That was enough for me. I don't need to know if they hated me or not while they were doing it.

HILL: Ben, here is the counter argument. This is a public policy consideration. That if we were where people are being stop and track because they are black, that creates a major danger. It is dangerous. The same reason why we heightened crimes when police officers are killed it is because the world believes that if people we live in a world where police aren't safe, it is a more dangerous world to be heightened and promise this way the type of behavior. So, there are times when we do attach different penalties for different types of crime or for the same types of crimes against different people. I doesn't makes sense.

FERGUSON: I understood that. But the idea of a hate crime is simply to me, let's make it clear, did you try to kill someone or not, that should be enough in the law to put someone away without having to add on the special caveats. And I think that is one thing that actually does confuse jury sometimes is, well, no one shoots someone that they like. No one decides to go kill somebody.

LEMON: Well, that is not true.

Hang on, Marc. That is not true when you look at the domestic violence, there are crimes of passion. People killed their love ones and they love them. So, I mean, they do it because --

FERGUSON: Well, but at the moment they didn't. They hated them is my point.

LEMON: Not really, that is not true.

FERGUSON: That you love.

LEMON: That's not true. I don't believe that. I have to run, though.

Quickly, Marc.

HILL: I think this is a white person's dilemma, right? Because white people have never been systematically stalked, you know, through lynching or systematically attack on the street like women have with sexual assault. There is a certain kind of privilege, and I mean this respectfully Ben, that white men have when it comes to hate crimes. They have never been systematically attacked or targeted. So, there might be a different legislative or citation.

FERGUSON: So, what would you do then? Are you saying that any person that is white that commits any crime against African-American should be charged with a hate crime?

LEMON: No. I don't think that --

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HILL: Remember, I started by saying that I don't know if Dunn was a hate crime. And I'm not sure he should be charged with that. But if we know that it was a hate crime, absolutely they have the penalties. And people are targeting people from particular reason. That creates a policy dilemma in a civic crisis that we do engage in. And I'm sure, believe me Ben, a white man being systematically stalked and killed, there would be all kinds of legislation to make sure that they were protected, Ben.

LEMON: OK. That's it. We are done. Thank you guys.

I have to stop right there because I know we can have this conversation all evening. We'll see you soon. I appreciate it. I love talking to you guys every weekend. I really do. Thank you. Have a good Sunday, rest of your Sunday.

They have only been married just a few weeks when police say a young couple decided to commit a murder together. Now the young bride says this isn't the first time she has killed. New details coming up.

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LEMON: (INAUDIBLE) from an accused killer awaiting trial in Pennsylvania. Miranda Barber, we first told you about her last December. When Barbara and her newlywed husband were charged with using Craig's list to lure a man into their car and then murdering him. Well tonight, we are learning Barber claims, she is a serial killer. So, so many she says she can't remember.

Our national correspondent Susan Candiotti is joining me now to explain all of this. So many she can't remember?

SUSAN CANDIOTTI, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: That's barely what happened. All of this came about because of a jailhouse interview. She invited in the reporter from a newspaper in Sunbury, Pennsylvania, "The daily Item." And in this interview, she says that she not only killed the craigslist victim but that she also killed many other people at least 22. But after that, she told the reporter I stopped counting after that. It was at least 22, she says. In Alaska, in Texas, in California, and in North Carolina all where she used to live.

LEMON: Isn't she claiming that she was also part of a satanic cult?

CANDIOTTI: She said that when she -- she told the reporter when she was 13-years-old that she was with the leader of the satanic cult who helped -- made her helped him kill somebody. And then she went on to kill other people. It is unclear whether Satanism, she claims, was involved in that too.

LEMON: Do police believe all of this? Because, I mean, if she said she killed that many people, I mean, are there murders or missing people there to substantiate what she is talking about?

CANDIOTTI: Well, you can imagine these are pretty amazing claims. So the police chief tells CNN that he is looking into all of this. He has got his own people calling authorities in other states to try to track all of this down. However, a law enforcement source tells us quote "this appears to be the real deal. It is conceivable." And thus the FBI, we contacted them. They said that they will assist, they will help this local police department if they ask for help.

LEMON: Did they interview her regarding these claims, police? CANDIOTTI: The local police have not interviewed her about this just yet. Right now they have an audio type of what she told the reporter. The jailhouse is not allowed a reporter to go in with a notepad or a recording device so they recorded the audio and they have yet to go in there and interview here themselves.

LEMON: My God, thank you, Susan Candiotti.

CANDIOTTI: It is not over yet.

LEMON: Yes, not over yet. Thank you very much.

You know, it sounds a little bit like high school, but we are talking about NFL players and bullying. Now, a new report shows the problem in the Miami Dolphins locker room was even worse than initially thought. Details coming up nest.

But first, can't get enough of snowboarding at the Sochi Olympics? Well, you are going to love this week's inspirational human factor featuring Chris Klug, an Olympian who works to save lives.

Our chief medical correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta has the story.

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DOCTOR SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Chris Klug, he has had numerous successes on the snow. But a routine checkup when only 21 almost ended his budding career.

CHRIS KLUG, 2-TIME OLYMPIC SNOWBOARDER: They said you have a disease called PSC, primary sclerosing cholangitis. And I said, doc, you got the wrong guy.

GUPTA: Unfortunately, Klug was the right guy and his liver disease was slowly damaging bio-ducts inside and outside of his liver. He spent almost six years on the transplant list before finally receiving a liver.

KLUG: I said I'm going to do everything in my power to give myself the best chance to bounce back strong from this.

GUPTA: And he did. Klug's body reacted well to the transplanted liver.

KLUG: It is like a new engine got dropped in me. That summer, my best snowboard results ever and was on the world cup podium four times.

GUPTA: In 2002, he became the first-ever organ transplant recipient to compete in the Olympics. He won bronze in parallel giant slalom. But Klug didn't forget how he got there. He started the Chris Klug foundation to help bring together organ donors and recipients.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The donors are the real miracle in this whole process.

GUPTA: And this father of two isn't taking that second chance at life lightly.

Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN reporting.

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LEMON: I want to go now to Sochi, Russia and an update on the winter Olympics medal count to be specific. The Netherlands remains in the lead 17 medals. Team USA tied for second with Russian with 16 medals, four gold, four silver and eight bronze. And winning two medals for the U.S. today were all-time skiers Andrew Weibrecht and Bode Miller who you see here. Weibrecht won silver in the super G and Miller tied for bronze. Miller is the oldest alpine skier to medal at age 36. And he was quite emotional after his run after he talked about a young brother, a competitive snowboarder who died of an apparent seizure last year.

Bullying in the Miami Dolphin's locker room maybe much worse than we initially thought. A new report from the NFL reveals startling details about the alleged abuse of Jonathan Martin by teammate Richie Incognito. But it also says Incognito wasn't the only one harassing players and martin wasn't the only victim. The report names three players as the alleged bullies are John Jerry who is a guard drafted in 2010, Mike Pouncey, a center drafted on year later and, of course, Incognito, also an offensive lineman.

Well, I want to bring in now Terrence Moore is in Atlanta. He is a sports contributor to CNN.com and columnist for mlb.com.

Terrence, it is disturbing but is this really shocking?

TERRENCE MOORE, CNN SPORTS CONTRIBUTOR: Don, this is very shocking. And I'll tell you why. I've talked to a lot of former NFL players and NFL executives and nobody I've talked to has heard anything close to this there happening. And I'll tell you something on a personal level. About 35 years ago, I guess when you were a toddler or around that age, I covered the Oakland raiders. And this was the wild and crazy Oakland raiders. And if something like this happened with that group, it would have lasted about ten seconds because some of those iconic leaders like Gene Upshaw would have thrown somebody up against the wall.

If they wouldn't have done it one of the coaches would have or somebody in the management team. I will tell you the biggest thing here, Don, that nobody's talking about, according to this report, if you believe this report, outside of those three players, the NFL wants us to believe that the only coach, the only management type that knew about this was Jim Turner, the offensive line coach. And that is ridiculous because in the NFL, whether you're talking about going back to Vince Lombardi and modern times, these guys, coaches, management people, even owners, they know everything about these players on the field and off the field. And just like here in Atlanta, Georgia, the Falcons owner Arthur Blank, the head of his security team is a former secret service agent. What does that tell you?

LEMON: OK. Listen, I want to talk about the NFL, their response. They said we appreciate the work of Ted Wells and his colleagues and the cooperation of the Miami Dolphins organization in the investigation. After we have had an opportunity to review the report we will have further comment as appropriate. So, what is the NFL's next move here?

MOORE: Well, I'll tell you what they should do. What they need to do, the NFL needs to partner with the players association and get the message down from top to bottom that this has got to stop. This will not be tolerated. That's number one. The second thing the NFL has to do is take a bounty gate approach to this. Bounty gate is where saints were guilty of putting out bounties on opposing quarterbacks. And then, there were suspensions involved from the front office down to coaches to players. Something very similar has got to happen here.

LEMON: All right, let's talk about Derek Jeter announcing this week that he is retiring after 2014, after the season 2014. What kind of loss is this for major league baseball?

MOORE: I think this is huge. Because when you look at Derek Jeter on the field and off the field for 20 years, he is the closest thing ever to a perfect player in the history of major league baseball. You don't replace perfect players. Then you look at the team he played for, the Yankees. Outside of maybe Notre Dame Football is the most visible team in the history of the sport.

But here's what I like about Derek Jeter, OK. People talk about the 3,000 hits, they talk about the iconic moments in the field in the clutch, his great nickname, Mr. November. What I like is every single time you talk to this guy, he will look you straight in the eyes. And that's not necessarily a given.

LEMON: Terrence Moore, thank you, sir. Good seeing you.

MOORE: Thank you.

LEMON: All right. Straight ahead, an exclusive report from inside the fighting in Syria. CNN's Arwa Damon looks at the battle between Islamic fundamentalists and moderate rebels with both sides opposed to the Assad regime.

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LEMON: I'm about to show you images from Syria that you'll only see on CNN. The death toll from that country's civil war keeps rising. More than 100,000 people have died, many of them women and children. But there's also been a war within a war with moderate rebels fighting against Islamic fundamentalists. They're all opposed to the Assad regime.

CNN's Arwa Damon has an exclusive report now from the killing fields near the Syrian Turkish border.

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ARWA DAMON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): We cross from Turkey into northern Syria escorted by armed rebels. For months, these lands were under the brutal and merciless control of ISIS, the Islamic state of Iraq and Syria. As we drive forwards the town of Adana, (INAUDIBLE) tells us ISIS came in and took over the area and called it their Islamic state.

This was the main ISIS check point leading into Adana. And as part of their terror tactics, eyewitnesses were telling us that they would leave some of the bodies of people they'd executed ling the check points so that every single car coming through would be forced to slow down and could not ignore that brutal message.

Across from it, the courthouse. Executions took place out front. Freshly dug up date of birth marked the graves of several victims.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There are two corpse over there, two corpse here. And there are some corporation near the northern part. Some corpse.

DAMON: Anyone who dare defy them pay a price. Even smoking was banned.

This is another of the ISIS headquarters. And everything here, all of the walls were painted black. You can see they've just been freshly painted over in white. And when ISIS was under control of Adana at a time like this, and it is Friday, and it is prayer time. None of these people would have been able to be on the street. They would have forced the markets to be closed.

Many here don't want their identities revealed or even to be seen talking to us. ISIS may no longer be in control, but many fear they could come back.

Arwa Damon, CNN, Adana, Syria.

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LEMON: All right, thank you, Arwa.

You can see more of Arwa Damon's exclusive reporting from inside Syria all day tomorrow right here on CNN.

And before we go this hour, I have to give you a cuteness alert before this next story. Rachel Nichols and I'm talking about Rachel Nichols, she is cute. But look at these little puppies. Rachel Nichols meets up with U.S. slope skier Gus Kenworthy who's not only coming home with a silver medal at the Olympics, but he is trying to bring home some stray dogs off the streets of Sochi. Hear this remarkable story coming up. Look how cute they are.