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Killer`s Father Speaks Out for First Time; Justin Bieber: Snotty, Stuck-up & Smug
Aired March 10, 2014 - 21:00 ET
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DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST (voice-over): Tonight, Adam Lanza`s father speaks publicly for the first time about his son and the massacre of 26 people. Calls him weird, evil and wishes he`d never been born. The behavior bureau sounds off.
Plus, Justin Bieber cops an attitude.
JUSTIN BIEBER, POP STAR: I don`t have to listen to anything you have to say.
PINSKY: And the Duke University student who is a XXX porn star. She`s putting herself through college. What`s wrong with that?
I`ll tell you what`s wrong.
Let`s get started.
PINSKY: Good evening, everyone.
My co-host is Sirius XM Radio`s Jenny Hutt.
Coming up, Justin Bieber, whom you saw there on that video, under oath and defiant, you have to see this to believe it. His attitude -- he`s 20 years old!
All right. But first up, Adam Lanza massacred more than two dozen people at Sandy Hook elementary school. Now, his father speaking publicly for the first and only time. He says he wished his son had never been born.
Take a look at this.
PINSKY: This is a day like no other. We have moved into a different realm.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: With hindsight, I know Adam would have killed me in a heartbeat if he had the chance. I don`t question that for a minute. The reason he shot Nancy four types was one for each of us. One for Nancy, one for him, one for Ryan and one for me.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Lanza says he knew his son had problems, but he was difficult to treat.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Adam was not open to therapy.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Lanza also describes changes he saw in his son.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was crystal clear something was wrong. Asperger`s makes people unusual but doesn`t make them like this.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Adam had holed up in his room, windows covered by black garbage bags.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I want people to be afraid of the fact that this could happen to them. You can`t get even more evil. How much do I beat myself up about the fact that he`s my son? A lot.
PINSKY: As you saw on the screen, that dad`s voice was a re- enactment.
But this is just again a chilling reminder of that day. Just too recent in our memory.
Joining us Jillian Barberie, co-host of "Midday L.A." on KABC Radio, Dan Bakkedahl, comedian, actor, co-star of "Legit", 10:00 p.m. on FXX, we kindly made an appearance on there. It was really fun. And the face on the show Vanessa -- Dan himself is a new face on this show, and Vanessa Barnett who is not a new face. She`s a social commentator, host HipHollywood.com. And Loni Coombs, former prosecutor, author of "You`re Perfect and Other Lies Parents Tell."
Loni, what do you make of this dad`s comments today?
LONI COOMBS, FORMER PROSECUTOR: You know, Dr. Drew, I think reading between the lines here, you hear heartbreaking regret from a father who worries every day that at the most crucial time, he backed off. He sort of gave up on being able to do any more for his son.
I`m not talking about when he got divorced. After he got divorced, he stayed very involved in the parenting of this son. He knew there were issues, both the mother and father did. He put a lot of financial support towards making sure that he got the best type of mental health that he could. But there, you know, at the end, when he started to isolate himself, the son, and pushing the father away because the father was saying, look, you need to deal with your issues, you have issues that you need to work on and look at reality. He was pushing the father away and really using the mother to enable him, and that`s when the father said, you know what? Maybe the best thing is to leave him alone, let the mother deal with it.
And the mother was saying, stay away, it`s easier. But that`s the part where the father really needs to step up and be more involved and say, look, I`ve got to do something here.
PINSKY: He and the mom and Adam Lanza were in a dance that was extraordinarily pathological. It was sick, the poor kid was -- I can`t say poor kid. What became a monster was sinking into something atrocious and the mom was dancing with him, allowing this to happen.
Jillian, what would you ask or tell the dad if you could?
JILLIAN BARBERIE, KABC RADIO: I just think it was incredibly strong of him to come forward. He`s met with many of the parents. He -- I believe that he did what he could. He`s remarried.
The mother is an enabler. She allowed Adam to take gun lessons with her. She had guns in the house.
And I just think that I commend the father for going about this route. It takes a lot of strength to face the victims` families and he said he wanted to help other people.
PINSKY: Yes, of course, I`m glad he faced the families and that he has deep compassion for them, but giving up on that child two years before this disaster.
Dan, do you have any thoughts about this?
VANESSA BARNETT, HIPHOLLYWOOD.COM: Exactly.
DAN BAKKEDAHL, ACTOR: Me? Yes. Look, first of all, what more can you do? When you send a person to therapy and they`re not honest with the therapist, there`s not much more that a doctor can do about it, right?
I mean, as far as giving up on the child, who can say they saw this coming. I knew a lot of weirdoes in school, they don`t wind up shooting people. I know people that own guns. They don`t wind up shooting people.
This is a perfect storm of mental health, ability to get at the guns. If this kid wanted to do this, he was going to do it whether the guns were in his mother`s house or not. He`s going to find a way to do it.
PINSKY: You know, you guys, I worked at a psychiatric hospital for 20 years. We had chronically ill psychiatric patients in what`s called long- term psych settings. You don`t see that any more. I took care of probably 20 people that could have easily ended up like this.
And you know what? They had a wonderful life. They had a little community they built. They had people that cared about them. They had professionals watching them all the time. And they would occasionally drift into trouble and we`d bring them back into line where they were OK, where if they`d been out in the world with a mom doing a crazy dance with them, Vanessa, the people I treated could have easily ended up like this.
What do you say?
BARNETT: Exactly. I was thinking we`re condemning the mother and commending the father for coming forward, but I think it`s pertinent that we do realize that the father is coming out not only because of regret but there is some sense of guilt there, too.
I know we talked about him just stepping away too soon, but that`s a big issue. And I know there`s several problems that you`ve mentioned that goes into this. But we can`t discount this father that feels like he needs to tell this story now as a way of almost an apology, almost as a way of saying, you know, this happened, I don`t know how. But there is a level of guilt there, too.
And I`m not sure how many people know this, but he even wanted to change his last name. He didn`t even want to be associated with this name because it`s such a heavy burden that he has to carry and now he`s telling this story.
JENNY HUTT, CO-HOST: Yes, Dr. Drew, what`s so sad to me is that this mother, who was clearly in distress and knew something was horribly wrong, couldn`t speak about it. But she wasn`t comfortable to speak to anybody about what was going on. So, it was hard to give her the help that she needed because she couldn`t speak up, for whatever reason.
PINSKY: She got in the way of the help. But, guys, the mom got in the way of the help. There were people that had trouble helping her, but the mom did not allow them to keep trying to figure things out. There are ways to manage things like this.
HUTT: Well, sure.
PINSKY: Hang on a second. I`ll bring in the behavior in here who have been watching this and they`ve got a lot to say. I don`t think they`re going to blame the dad. I think the dad did everything he could. He was just bowled over by the dance, the lock -- the mom and the son were locked into a death dance.
And later, Justin Bieber in his own word that you have to hear to believe. Oh, yes, oh, yes. Oh, don`t you want to mess with Justin. There he is.
Back after this.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The worst possible evilness.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Peter Lanza says he is haunted by his son dreaming about him nightly. Detailing one nightmare, being hunted like one of his son`s victims.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What surprised me was I was scared as (EXPLETIVE DELETED). I couldn`t understand what was happening to me. Then I realized I was experiencing it from the perspective of his victims.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: Back with Jenny.
Now in his first and only interview about his son that murdered dozens of little children and teacher, Adam Lanza`s father says he`s still -- of course, he`s still haunted by this thing. That little piece you saw there, he was actually having nightmares where his son, who he now realized had become a monster, had the capacity to murder in cold blood and he, in that nightmare, had the experience of the children and he said it was shattering.
Can you just imagine, Jenny?
HUTT: No, I can`t. Listen, Dr. Drew, this story goes beyond anyone`s wildest imagination. Just --
PINSKY: All right. Well, let`s bring in the behavior bureau. They may know something about this.
Erica America, Z100 Radio personality, psychotherapist, Tiffanie Davis Henry, HLN contributor, psychotherapist, Judy Ho, clinical psychologist, and Samantha Schacher, social commentator, host of "Pop Trigger" on the Young Turks Network.
And if you would like to join our conversation you can tweet us right now. I`m watching the Twitter feed @DrDrewHLN #behaviorbureau.
All right. Judy, you`re first.
Adam`s father said Adam had rejected treatment. And I say, not only he rejected treatment, he was toughened up (INAUDIBLE) during that situation. But that mom abandoned treatment and no one knew how bad that kid got because no one would have allowed it.
JUDY HO, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: That`s right, Dr. Drew.
And at one point he did get that designation of an Asperger`s disorder, OK? And with that diagnosis, I believer that parents kind of just washed their hands clean of him. It`s like, OK, he`s going to be a little weird, he`s going to be a little bit of awkwardness, but he`s not going to be dangerous. So, that`s OK.
But you know what? Asperger`s occurs so much with other clinical issues. And that`s what they should have been aware of when they still had the chance while he was under their household and their control.
PINSKY: He was floridly psychotic toward the end there. He was boarding up his windows. He wouldn`t talk to his mom, wouldn`t let her in a room, communicated with her only by e-mail. He`d been on one medication which he had a bad reaction to, and never anything again. The family never brought him back around.
Sam, what do you say?
SAM SCHACHER, POP TRIGGER: Yes, Lexapro is what he was on.
And, Dr. Drew, here`s the thing -- yes, what happened was atrocious. But for the father to describe Adam Lanza as evil as they come and then to also say he wish he never died -- I`m sorry, I would have rather heard the father say that he wished that he and Adam Lanza`s mom, his wife at time, would have done more to explore Adam Lanza`s mental health treatment instead of what Judy said, just used and settled with this Asperger`s syndrome when clearly there was much more going on.
Adam Lanza was screaming for treatment. By barricading himself in the room, as you stated, by cutting out the tags in his t-shirt because it caused him pain, by crying for -- not for hours and hours at a time, this kid needed treatment!
PINSKY: Absolutely. And I say, Tiffanie, folie a deux with that mom. I say that is a folie a deux. They`re dancing together. The mom is in massive denial about how sick this kid is.
TIFFANIE DAVIS HENRY, HLN CONTRIBUTOR: Absolutely. This -- the behavior described in this report is enough to actually get him committed even if he didn`t want to get treatment on his own, he could have been committed by having two people at least her, maybe somebody else, going before a probate judge or even talking with a psychiatrist and having him come to the house and having him committed.
PINSKY: Hold on.
DAVIS: It was easier for her. It was easier for her --
PINSKY: Wait a minute.
PINSKY: A probate judge. A probate judge, tell people about that. No one ever does that. That could have saved dozens of lives here. Describe that.
HENRY: Well, a lot of people do that and a lot of people don`t know about it, like you`re saying.
In most places where we live today, if two people who have witnessed the person`s behavior, you go to the probate judge in your county of residence and you can have that person committed. But those people have had to have witnessed that person`s behavior. It can`t just be one person and hearsay. Two people have to be in agreement.
I`ve seen this behavior. I`ve witnessed it. This person needs help, they`re a danger to themselves, to others. They`re mentally unstable. And you can get that --
PINSKY: No way --
PINSKY: Yes. And no way that mom would have done that. No way she would have done that. She would have -- she would have absolutely been not the second person, yet she`s the most active observer on what was going on.
Jenny, what do you say?
HUTT: Look, Dr. Drew, you talk about all the time on your show. People -- the mental illness issue is a stigmatized issue. And this mother was so embarrassed and so ashamed and so delusional, Dr. Drew, that I believe she couldn`t deal with what she had to deal with so she shuttered everything away and aloud him to close off his windows and kill kids and kill her. She was lost.
SCHACHER: But Dr. Drew, the father, too. People are in my opinion are being too nice to the father. This is somebody that was updated on a daily basis by the mother of everything that was going on, yet he didn`t see his son for two years.
I`m sorry, his answer in the article was, my son did not want to go to therapy. Oh, really? I didn`t want to go to piano as a kid. But my kids made me go to piano. Make your child go to therapy especially if your kid is acting so emotionally unstable and erratic.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Right.
PINSKY: Lie on the floor for hours and crying, delusional, preoccupied.
Here`s a twitter from somebody just identifies as V. I can`t quite read the Twitter handle.
I think having a child with mental illness is shocking. Parent must learn with the child they don`t know everything.
Erica, I think that`s a very -- that`s the point we`re trying to make here for everybody else that might be listening that might know somebody that might have a child. Please do what you can. It`s for their own good and everybody else`s.
ERICA AMERICA, Z100: Yes, and especially because again here in this case, I mentioned this before, the mom was wearing mom goggles. Meaning, she really thought she was doing her best, but she was almost mentally ill in her own way. You`re right, Dr. Drew, they were doing this dance where she kept getting him educational testing and educational testing, but it really was something much darker, much deeper.
And the fact that he had no psychotherapy in his teens at all and was only on one medication, when there`s people with far less dangerous diagnosis that have tried so many times. There`s a big problem here. So, whether it was a teacher, a social worker, a friend, it wasn`t going to be the mom, it wasn`t the dad who stepped away, but there needs to be someone else.
PINSKY: I think Sam made an excellent point here, which is that whether it`s piano lessons or homework or take your mental -- or see the doctor or see the psychiatrist, that`s parenting. That`s parenting. And we got to do that.
PINKSY: Go ahead.
HO: You know what, Dr. Drew, there`s so much denial here. You know why there`s denial on the part of these parents, is something that we definitely seen before where their child is mentally ill. And it`s because our children are a reflection of ourselves.
HO: And sometimes our parents, they just cannot face that their child has turned out this way, and instead of dealing with the problems directly and making them productive citizens.
PINSKY: I say -- and, by the way, for any viewers that want to argue about us talking over each other, we have a terrible problem with the delay here. Please stop getting on us about that.
But I say it is stigma, they would not be in denial if a child had appendicitis necessarily.
PINSKY: But just because it`s a brain disorder, that`s when they won`t do their parents. I think that is atrocious and we all have to do something about this.
Next up, I have something to show you, kind of atrocious also. It involves Justin Bieber, raise a lot of question about this boy`s behavior.
Behavior bureau, you stay with me and we`re going to talk about this.
And later, Duke University student by day, porn star by night. You will hear from her.
Back after this.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Your bodyguards have attacked photographers.
BIEBER: What kind of question is that? That didn`t make sense. It doesn`t make sense. That`s a weird question. It didn`t make sense.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did I say something funny? I didn`t hear your response. Again, sir --
BIEBER: I didn`t finish.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, I`m sorry. I didn`t want to interrupt.
BIEBER: You didn`t want to interrupt. Guess what? I don`t recall.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: Back with Jenny and our behavior bureau. Judy, Sam, Dan joins us, also body language expert Blanca Cobb.
You just saw Justin Bieber antagonizing the lawyer in a deposition who is questioning him about an assault case.
And, Sam, he`s got other cases against him. You say deport him, right?
SCHACHER: I wouldn`t go far as deport him. But here`s the thing -- I was laughing when I was watching this because to me, I thought like I was watching an "SNL" parody, because that`s how bad Justin Bieber is making himself. Look, he`s acting like a snotty-ass 10-year-old who is defiant in the principal`s office. It`s crazy to me.
But this is a great example that he doesn`t have anyone in his life who is laying down the law, who is trying to ground him, because he thinks he`s above everybody else. So, I hope, Dr. Drew, that one of these charge that you just mentioned actually sticks and he actually does have to do jail time so it humbles him and he comes down to planet earth.
PINSKY: Dan, what say you?
BAKKEDAHL: I don`t think there`s any amount of jail time that`s going to make a difference. I mean, this kid is on the same path, it seems to me, of say, Robert Downey Jr., you know, Chris Farley, John Belushi. Granted, two of those guys died, one of them got his stuff together.
I think we`re looking at a boy king who we created and he thinks that nothing he does is wrong. I mean, this is King Tut of show business, you know? This kid isn`t going to be stopped until he stops himself. Either he gets drunk and kills somebody in his car or he gets his stuff together.
PINSKY: You know, Blanca, I agree with what Dan was saying. Is there any body language to back that up?
BLANCA COBB, BODY LANGUAGE EXPERT: Oh, yes, Dr. Drew. Justin Bieber is full of bravado. And we can see this when he doesn`t even look at the attorney. He`s turning his body away. He`s turning his face away.
It was a really hot spot and telling for me is when we were talking about Selena, because what he does is he gives this nonverbal F-U and he does it with his middle finger. He curves two finger. You see the middle finger is most prominent.
And then he turns and he`s looked at the attorney, and he`s like, don`t talk about her. Do not bring her up again. And he gets very serious and confrontational. And then they stop the deposition and they take a break.
PINSKY: You know what? I`m going to show you that footage. Here`s what happens when the lawyer asks about Justin`s girlfriend, Selena Gomez, a former girlfriend. Take a look.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Selena Gomez.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Have you ever talked with Selena Gomez, discussed your feelings about paparazzi with her?
BIEBER: Don`t ask me about her again.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sir, have you ever --
BIEBER: Don`t ask me about her again.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Have you ever --
BIEBER: Don`t ask me about her again. Don`t ask me about her again.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You know what? Let`s just stop.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re going to take a break.
BIEBER: Don`t ask me about her again. Don`t ask me about her again.
(END VIDEO CLIP
PINSKY: I -- Judy, I`ve been in a few depositions, isn`t that contempt of court? You can`t -- you can`t just not answer. You can`t tell the attorney what he can and can`t do.
And speaking -- and speaking of the boy king syndrome, you know who he reminds me of, Dr. Drew? He reminds me of King Joffrey from HBO`s "Game of Thrones."
HUTT: Right. And --
HO: That reminds of. That attitude of I can treat you guys whichever way I want. And guess what? He`s built that environment for himself, by hiring yes men and women around him, by only having people around him that will confirm all of his behavior, say that he`s right, say that he`s always in the know. And guess what? This is what`s turned up.
So, is jail time going to help? Is that going to be enough boundaries for him? Probably not.
That`s why he has this attitude because he`s gotten away with it all his life and when somebody actually confronts him, he gets rid of them. He has the power to do that.
PINSKY: Yes, Jenny, King Joffrey, is that right? If so, I feel bad for his parents who can`t do anything, I don`t think.
HUTT: Look, Dr. Drew, King Joffrey mixed with he`s an obnoxious teenager. He`s acting like an obnoxious, naughty, disrespectful teenager who needs to be taught a lesson. That`s what he looks like to me, like a kid in high school and he shouldn`t be that way because he`s freaking Justin Bieber. It`s enough.
BAKKEDAHL: I was going to say --
SCHACHER: What was that, Dr. Drew?
BAKKEDAHL: Other than ignoring him, what lesson are you going to teach him other than ignoring him? Because that`s the thing that will kill him, ignore him and he`ll wilt.
HO: And that`s actually what we need to do.
PINSKY: And that`s what we will do.
Now, but I want the behavior bureau to stay. I haven`t shown you the worst of what he`s got to offer. I`m going to show you that in a second.
Later, are you judging, cannot judge, everybody, but might you judge the elite college student who pays for tuition by working in pornography? And you`ll hear from her.
Back after this.
PINSKY (voice-over): Justin Bieber cops an attitude.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Remember earlier today when I asked you?
JUSTIN BIEBER, SINGER: No.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why don`t you listen to what I have to say first, then maybe --
BIEBER: I don`t have to listen to anything you have to say.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What an arrogant little snot!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What was the question? Should we have it read back?
BIEBER: Well, I don`t know. Katie Couric, you tell me.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you calling me Katie Couric?
BIEBER: No. My lawyer is asking a question.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m not here to answer his questions. You`re here to answer mine.
PINSKY (on-camera): Back with Jenny and the "Behavior Bureau," Judy, Sam, Tiffanie, and Erica join us. And you just saw Justin Bieber being obnoxious and disrespectful to an attorney in the court, in a deposition who`s questioning him about an assault case. And Tiffanie, he`s got at least two other cases against him. And people, I was getting some Twitter where saying, oh, I think he`s a narcissist. I`m not even sure he`s a narcissist because I can`t even tell. All I see is entitlement and arrogance, do you agree?
TIFFANIE DAVIS HENRY, PH.D., PSYCHOTHERAPIST: Definitely a sense of entitlement. Nobody likes to be deposed. Nobody wants to be there and wants to be asked those questions. But because he has all of these charges, you would think that his lawyers probably prepped him and told him they`re going to ask you some things. They`re going to try and get under your skin. They`re going to do this to you.
Just be cool, calm, collected, answer the questions, get it over with so you can go home. This is definitely -- I guess, a little narcissistic, but definitely a sense of entitlement. It doesn`t look defiant to me. It just looks like I shouldn`t have to even be here answering your questions, you peons.
JENNIFER HUTT, ATTORNEY: Right.
PINSKY: You know, it`s also -- Erica, I`ll tell you what`s really the hardest thing to look at is he`s in the court of law and he`s addressing a professional with disdain and contempt.
ERICA AMERICA, Z100 RADIO & TV HOST: Well, I think something really interesting is there is an awesome Freudian slip. I don`t know if you guys caught it, but he says, basically, I think I`m detrimental to my own career. And then, of course, the lawyer says I think you meant instrumental, but that`s exactly what he is, OK? The narcissism, the ego, the defiance is actually taking precedence over his talent.
And I, I work in music, I want to be team Bieber and his fans still are, but will they be if this continues and gets worse and worse and worse. And like, we talked about it earlier. I remember hearing this interview with Justin Timberlake who was once big in his, you know, in his teens in N`sync. And he said the amount of power that you would get during that time is insane.
And somehow, he got through it and he has, you know, he has a level head, but in this case, I don`t know if he`s going to get through it. I really don`t.
SAMANTHA SCHACHER, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: Dr. Drew, I`m curious, I have a question for the clinical people on our panel. Do you guys see when you`re watching the footage Justin Bieber, even though he`s defiant, do you see almost like an emotionally stunted way of handling the defiance as opposed to an adult would handle it? Because he fakes sleep almost like Honey Boo Boo did on your show. Remember that? Like a couple of years, she fake slept as exactly what he did. Ridiculous.
HENRY: Sam, are you comparing Justin Bieber to Honey Boo Boo? I just got to get that clear.
SCHACHER: Right now, I am.
PINSKY: She`s clearly doing so. Why don`t we get that footage where Honey Boo Boo goes to sleep on me while I was trying to interview her?
PINSKY: But Judy, I`ll have you answer Sam`s question after we look at these further videotape refusals by Justin to answer some questions from an attorney. Take a look.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Have you ever disciplined, Mr. Hesny (ph)?
BIEBER: Disciplined? What kind of question is that? Is he my son?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Would you please look at the film that`s up there.
BIEBER: This is a film? This is a film?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Pause it. Would you please watch --
BIEBER: You said it`s a film. You should watch the film. Is this a film?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is there a difference between a film and something else?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PINSKY: Judy, come on now. That is like --
JUDY HO, PH.D., CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Oh, my gosh.
PINSKY: -- spoiled nine-year-old.
HO: Yes. Well, Dr. Drew, I would actually even venture to say that we`re seeing somebody who`s in the middle of his terrible twos. You know, our two-year-olds are always saying, no, no, no to everything? That was a great question from Sam because talk about a limited emotional repertoire. All he`s got in this deposition so far is no, no, no, no, no, no, and then, it`s don`t talk to me that way.
I don`t want to do this. That`s his two or three reactions. That`s it. And he just keeps cycling through them. And it`s confusing because we`re seeing this big pop star in front of us and we`re thinking, OK, maybe he`s just being entitled. But you know what, maybe that is the range of his emotions. Either people --
PINSKY: I have to wrap this up. Yes. I`m sorry. I have to wrap it up, but I was just thinking I was going to notify Tiffanie and Erica, didn`t you guys get the willies when she was doing a two-year-old?
PINSKY: Judy does a very good two two-year-old. I don`t know.
HENRY: Makes you think.
PINSKY: When she takes off her professional hat, who knows what she`s like.
PINSKY: Next up, a teacher shows middle school teachers her own sex tape in class. How does that happen?
Reminder, you can find us anytime on Instagram @DrDrewHLN. And we will be right back.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was performing sex acts.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nicholas Tollerson (ph) says Wednesday his son came home from Forest Heights Middle School saying he saw a sex video in class. And the video shows his son`s teacher.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Images of herself were incorporated with classwork.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: School leaders (ph) say the teacher admits she showed an inappropriate video in class because it got mixed up in her lesson plans, but they strongly tell us it was a mistake and certainly not planned.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My heart goes out to not only my son but the other children in the classroom.
PINSKY: Back with Jenny, Dan, Loni, Vanessa, Jillian. The teacher calls the incident unfortunate and embarrassing. No kidding. Students apparently didn`t see much but enough to know this, in fact, was their teacher doing something not appropriate for class. Dan, what do you say?
DAN BAKKEDAHL, COMEDIAN: I think my heart goes out to those kids, too, because if I`d seen Mrs. Beckman doing that kind of thing back when I was in school, I wouldn`t be sitting here with you today. But look, I think, she needs -- she just needs to keep two clouds. One for her sex acts and one for school stuff.
HUTT: That`s the problem.
VANESSA BARNETT, @ITSME_VANESSAB: Dr. Drew. --
PINSKY: Who`s talking? Go ahead. Whoever said that. Vanessa.
BARNETT: I don`t -- who knows how to use the cloud? I swear I ask my husband on a daily basis, where is this cloud?
BARNETT: I don`t get it. All my stuff is there. I don`t know how it gets there. This could have easily happened to me. I`m not ashamed to say that. Yes, it`s unfortunate, but none of these kids are traumatized. And they see far worse on cable TV nowadays. I think they`re making a big deal out of --
PINSKY: No, you`re right.
PINSKY: Well, Loni, you`re going to say no, but in fact, 42 percent of kids between age seven and 16 have viewed online porn. Loni, what do you say?
BARNETT: Thank you. Exactly.
LONI COOMBS, ATTORNEY: I get that, but I don`t think we should downplay this. Look, these kids were looking at their teacher who they probably have a certain, you know, admiration for. They might really feel strongly about her. They see her doing something that probably made them feel awkward. They can be feeling violated or betrayed.
COOMBS: You can downplay this.
COOMBS: Let me say something. I prosecuted a child in juvenile court who watched accidentally his parents had a porn video. He watched it and he went and acted it out on the neighbor girl and ended up getting arrested --
PINSKY: That happens with young, young kids. That does happen with young kids that they can see porn and they can start to act out inappropriately when they`re sexualized at a young age. But, I don`t know. Dan, I heard Jillian on Howard Stern this week and I feel uncomfortable and I feel let down. I wonder --
JILLIAN BARBERIE, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: What?
PINSKY: I`m just saying.
BARBERIE: Wait. What are you talking about, Dr. Drew? What do you mean?
PINSKY: I`m teasing you. I`m wondering if you`ve ever had experiences where things got out of hand on the internet and you`ve regretted it?
BARBERIE: No. I just wanted to say this is a teacher, OK? This is unacceptable. Vanessa, you must not have children because I got to agree with Loni.
BARNETT: Exactly. I do have a child, and I know things happen. Accidents happen. I walked in on my parents having sex. Am I now not supposed to be their child? Accidents happen.
BARBERIE: This is a person in authority, Vanessa.
BARNETT: You never made a mistake?
BARBERIE: It`s wrong. She should be reprimanded.
BARNETT: I understand that accidents happen.
PINSKY: Dan, well, you seem outraged there. Dan, what are you thinking?
BAKKEDAHL: I just -- what -- she`s not supposed to have a private life, you`re right. This is unacceptable behavior for a teacher. She should go home and climb into a box and slide into the basement and then reawaken in the morning and baby-sit our children all day long. You`re right.
BARNETT: You`re missing a point.
BARBERIE: If this was male teacher, would you feel that way?
BAKKEDAHL: I think you`re missing the point. If it was a male teacher, of course, I would feel the same way.
BARNETT: -- for the kids. It was an accident.
HUTT: Guys, the issue isn`t about the porn video. She didn`t purposely showed the kids a video. She made a mistake and that mistake is what the unacceptable part because if she`s a teacher, she should know how to work the iCloud so that the wrong information doesn`t end up on the kids` iPad. That`s the real issue. It`s not really about the porn.
PINSKY: People still get punish for mistakes. They do, Loni. Guys in legal system. Sometimes, ignorance or mistakes is not an adequate defense. So, I got to leave it right there.
Don`t go away. You`re going to hear next from a Duke University freshman who`s putting herself through college by doing porn. And reminder, all new on HLN "Detective Files," an examination of real life cases that lets you play detective by answering multiple choice questions about the cases you`re watching. Watch "Detective Files" 5:00 eastern right here on HLN. Be right bak.
PINSKY: Jenny and I are back. A freshman at Duke University admits she makes porn to pay for her -- to help pay for her $60,000 a year tuition.
PINSKY: A fellow student who evidently enjoys a little porn himself recognized her and then that secret went public. Take a look at this.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I can make about $1,200 --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Bell Knox (ph), this is her industry name, if you will.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s $60,000 a year. I don`t know how many families can afford that.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don`t thing an 18-year-old should be allowed to make any decision except maybe to order from a menu.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: To be in porn and to be able to be naked and to be able to be free.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I find her insulting to women.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m not telling my family from the get go. I think that`s a really about mistake.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Good for her for finding a way to pay to go to a good school.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s dirty, it`s gross, it`s disgusting.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So incredibly freeing.
PINSKY: Bring in the "Behavior Bureau," Judy, Sam, Jillian, and joining us, Simone Bienne. Let`s see is that everybody? Jenny, Samantha, Jillian, Judy, Judy`s on that panel, too. What happened to waiting tables, Sam, to help pay for college? And I know you had an interesting sort of -- what did you call your job? Server, whatever?
SCHACHER: It was bottle service, which --
PINSKY: Bottle service.
SCHACHER: But I`ve had a multitude of crappy jobs. I`ve worked in a closet shop during college. I worked as a nanny. I`ve scrubbed floors. I`ve done what I had to do in order to pay for my school. So, the fact that she`s using her tuition, paying her tuition cost and using porn as -- as the reason -- that is validated because of the fact that she`s trying to do this heroic thing, I think is BS.
I think it`s ridiculous. And then calling it feminist? Oh, my gosh! I had no idea that being ejaculated on is a representation of feminism. That`s appalling.
PINSKY: Go ahead, Simone, have at it.
SIMONE BIENNE, @SIMONEBIENNE: Sorry. I just want to say, I agree wholeheartedly with Sam and this is not to bash men, it`s not to bash porn, but this is just to say this is not empowering to women! It might be empowering to an 18-year-old that allegedly wants to buy a designer handbag. It is not empowering to women.
If I`m missing the point, this is not cool. And Dr. Drewe, you are the one that taught me this, her brain as an 18-year-old hasn`t even developed fully yet. So, how is she supposed to make full decisions?
PINSKY: No, that`s right. Jillian, you said --
PINSKY: The horror (ph) says with which she approaches her sexuality suggests something happened to her, don`t you think?
BARBERIE: I don`t know about that, Dr. Drew. But I`m just going to go the opposite route and say, at least, she`s not suing her parents to pay for -- listen, if I believe -- if there`s no victim, there`s no crime. How about the guy that was watching the porn? Then he puts you on blast and he shames her. But he`s the guy that`s watching pornography.
Nobody cares about him. We`re all focusing on her. And by the way, he subscribes to something called facialabuse.com. And the reason I know this is because the guy who owns the website came out and said, hey, you, stop putting her on blast. What about you? What about your actions? Why are we putting this girl? She`s paying for her as a college. I just have an issue with us getting all over her.
HUTT: I`m right there with Jillian.
HO: It`s a very, very slippery slope because you know what? They start with one thing and they say it`s paying for college, and eventually, they`ll just keep moving forward with this new career because they make the money. And they`re getting attention. You know, when I was going to school --
BARBERIE: Where else can she go from here?
HO: My sister`s roommate actually moved out. My sister`s roommate actually moved out because she eventually ended up into porn. But you know how she started in it? She was only a stripper who was paying for her college tuition by doing that, and then eventually, it went to escorting, and eventually, it went to doing porn, and eventually, she dropped out of school. And that only took six months.
BARBERIE: You`re assuming that she`s doing that. This is a means to an end for her, so she says. She wants to put herself through school. I don`t see where the problem is if --
PINSKY: Hold on.
PINSKY: I say here`s the problem. Listen, there`s nothing wrong with a capital W about it except this girl, in my opinion, is undoubtedly re- traumatizing herself. This is not the way you gain emotional help when you`re a freshman in college!
Next, I`m guessing everyone out there has an opinion about this student. We cannot judge. Of course, everybody knows, we cannot judge. No way! We can`t be allowed to say anything about anybody`s behavior. Of course, we can judge. We know what it means. She can do whatever she wants, but we can say something about the behavior and we will continue to do so. We`ll be right back after this.
PINSKY: Back with the "Behavior Bureau" and Jenny. I`ve Got Judy, Sam, Jillian, and Simone.
And just you guys retract your claws and fangs a little bit. Let me put up a lovely tweet here from @Sdelamia (ph). "Wow, Dr. Drew, you`re surrounded by the most beautiful and intelligent women on the planet."
So there you go, guys. Now, pull your claws back out and put the fangs in. Let`s go after that poor Duke student you`re talking about.
SCHACHER: Well, no. Dr. Drew, it`s not about -- listen, I have a problem with it because she`s 18, 19 years old. If she was in her mid-20s, I would say, girl, do you -- do whatever you need to do. But it`s the fact that she`s so young. I don`t think that she really doesn`t understand the weight of her decision. I think it has a lot to do with her really strict upbringing.
She has a very strict catholic upbringing. Her dad was a military father. He`s still in the military as a doctor. So, perhaps, that`s all playing into it.
HUTT: Dr. Drew, I wouldn`t --
PINSKY: No. Focus on the guy all you want. But Jenny, what if your daughter was doing porn, it would be OK with you?
HUTT: Listen, no, I would not encourage my daughter to have a life of porn.
PINSKY: Why not? It`s no big deal. Just a choice. What`s the big deal? Pays for school. What`s the big deal?
HUTT: Hold on a minute. It`s not that I don`t think it`s a big deal. What I think is I`d rather that we had highly educated people doing porn than dopey ones or bright ones who were able to get into a school like Duke. And you can`t be --
PINSKY: -- discriminate now.
HUTT: So wait, yes, I am -- however, I do think -- I don`t think we`re ever going to get rid of the porn industry, Dr. Drew, so why not be open about it? And if this kid, whose of age, though she is a kid, is wanting to do this, then let her do it. That`s why I think -- I think it`s the more uptight people --
PINSKY: I`m not saying I`m going to do anything otherwise. Simone she tweeted you. She says, quote, "How dare you tell me how I should feel about my experiences?" Then something about Playboy had hard core porn, FYI. What was your response to that?
BIENNE: Well, you know, I (Inaudible). I go all maternal. And I hate to out myself on TV, but I am old enough to be her mother and I was concerned about her. And I said to her that she`s a beautiful, smart, gorgeous woman, but she`s barely legal. And I think once she`s out of her teens, maybe she will prove us all wrong, but I think she will regret this. I don`t mean it as a moral judgment. I mean it as the emotional impact.
And, if I just want to get on my soapbox, what concerns me is the message she is giving to all of those college women where research has actually shown even if they hook up, they get depressed. So, now imagine, if they`re expected to be porn stars, where are we going to go next?
PINSKY: Judy, help me with this. I`m just concerned that from a mental health standpoint -- I`ve treated a lot of these people, there`s always trauma -- not always, but the majority have been through some trauma. She`s young and she`s sort of using this as an excuse. There`s something else going on clearly, you agree?
BARBERIE (ph): Yes.
HO: Absolutely, dr. Drew. And actually, I have somebody who`s in my private practice now who`s a porn star and she has a ton of sexual abuse trauma in her past. She now has four children with four different daddy that have all been taken away by child protective services and she`s in her 30s and pregnant with her fifth child and doing pregnant porn.
And it is an opportunity for retraumatization like you said, Dr. Drew. There is something else going on. And I think she`s in a lot of denial by saying this is empowering to me. No, it`s not.
PINSKY: That`s right. And to let it sit out there as just, oh, it`s just a choice for tuition, that is again misinformation. "Right This Minute" starts right this minute.