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PIERS MORGAN LIVE
Malaysian Airlines Flight Disappears; Interview with Chelsea Handler
Aired March 10, 2014 - 21:00 ET
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PIERS MORGAN, CNN HOST: Good evening. This is Piers Morgan Live.
Tonight, vanished, where is Flight 370? Last Friday night, when we first came on the air to tell you live about the missing Malaysia Airlines 777 with 239 people onboard including pilots and crew, that's the question everyone has been asking.
Was it an act of terror, mechanical issue, pilot error, all are possible and frustratingly so. I'll talk to Greg Feith, Former NTSB Investigator with CNN's Peter Bergen, an expert on terror and my colleague Fareed Zakaria and he'll tell us what he's hearing.
Also, one of my favorite guest is here and we're talking about her new book, you'd think that she to is an (inaudible) "Uganda Be Kidding Me" by Chelsea Handler is raising up the best-seller list. I'll ask her about everything from international relations to Angelina Jolie to college students making porn to pay the bills.
I want to begin though with our Big Story. No sign of missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 that vanished with 239 people onboard and nobody has any answers.
Well, joining me now to try to make some kind of sense of this, Fareed Zakaria, host of Fareed Zakaria GPS, Greg Feith a Former Investigator for the National Transportation Safety Board, also joining me Peter Bergen CNN National Security Analyst. Welcome to all of you.
Let me start with you Greg Feith if I may. You're a Former NTSB Investigator, how can it be in this modern age, with the modern technology available to all parties involved in tracking and searching a very modern aircraft that it can simply disappear like this?
GREG FEITH, FMR. NTSB INVESTIGATOR: Piers, where the problem is is that the technology doesn't really exist as far as incorporation into all of the airplanes while the technology is out there for GPS tracking or a form of GPS tracking for the airplane.
It hasn't been mandated or incorporated. So we really rely on radar as the primary source for tracking an airplane no matter where it is in the world.
MORGAN: But given the timescale here, I mean obviously there have been other crashes where it's taken a long time to try and establish what has happened. But are you confident at all from all that you're reading and hearing that we will make any en routes to finding this plane in the next few days?
FEITH: I'm not sure about the next few days. But I do believe that there will be evidence found in the actual accident site. It may take a while because this is kind of a unique accident unlike in AirFrance 447 where the radar track indicated the airplane flew into a thunderstorm and then there was a loss of control and actually floating -- wreckage was found on the ocean surface relatively quickly.
We don't have that here because this airplane most likely flew under a non-radar environment for some period of time. Unfortunately, we just don't know what direction it had flown and it's going to really be the search effort and the expansion of that search grid to find the wreckage.
MORGAN: Before I go to our other two guests. Just very quickly, Greg, of all the theories; mechanical failure, potential terrorist attack, a dry run of some capacity, drug mules, hijacking, pilot error. Where would you say the smart money is going on what has caused this?
FEITH: I'm going to give you the politically correct answer. I'm an investigator. You don't rule anything in for anything else. But you have to look at at least logic. It's evident that the airplane was still capable of flying. So that would really rule out a very catastrophic event that would have rendered the airplane so incapacitated that it broke up in flight. It's evident that the airplane, there was no wreckage on the sea that's been scoured by the flotilla that's out there.
So apparently, this airplane was still flyable. The question is why were the pilots possibly not in control? Of course, you have to look at an act or an intentional act such as terrorism to see if they damaged the airplane sufficiently to render the crew incapacitated. Or if it was taken over, you would expect that that airplane would have been found at some point because it does take a very technical savvy person to try and fly a Triple Seven.
MORGAN: OK. Peter Bergen, you're a terror expert, expert in national security, a lot of concern about the potential involvement of terrorism and it's not least of which -- because of the two stolen passports linked to people who bought tickets for the flight, there's an Iranian middle man, the passport is stolen in Thailand. What do we make of this from a terrorism potential point of view? What is your reading of it?
PETER BERGEN, CNN NATIONAL SECURITY ANALYST: Well, Piers, I think first of all, who benefits from this plane disappearing? I mean, I can't think of a terrorist group if it was an Al Qaeda or sort of Jihadi terrorist group. It was unlikely that they would target a flight leaving Malaysia which is after all majority Muslim country. They would target a Western airline. If it was Chinese separatist the plane was going to Beijing but Chinese separatist have shown little or no ability to really operate outside China and they haven't been particularly sophisticated, certainly not sophisticated enough to bring down an airline.
I'm not ruling it out but again the universal people and groups that might want to do this. I don't think it's large in terms of either intention and capability, you need both intention and capability and I don't really see that right now.
You know, one aspect of this that we haven't discussed is also the possibility that the pilot intentionally bought the plane down. We saw that with EgyptAir in 1999 when the pilot was leaving JFK airport and he crashed the plane intentionally. It's a very unusual phenomenon but it's not impossible.
So, all these theories are at least conceivable obviously.
MORGAN: Yeah. And let's make it absolutely crystal clear that none of us know, nobody knows at the moment what has caused this plane to disappear and that is what is so gripping and fascinating, and bizarre about it.
Fareed Zakaria, given that none of us have the answers, if you look at this from, as Peter was saying that terrorist of point of view, it seems unlikely but there has been a one group of Chinese Martyr's Brigade claiming responsibility. People are very skeptical about this.
What is your take on the involvement of any China related terrorism?
FAREED ZAKARIA, CNN HOST, CNN'S FAREED ZAKARIA GPS": I agree with Peter. It seems very unlikely, Piers. But there is some small sporadic terrorism that emanates out of China that largely comes out of the Uyghur minority in China. This is, you know, Ambrose Bierce's Devil's Dictionary once said, "War is God's way of teaching Americans geography."
So now, we learn about the Uyghurs who are the small group of small by Chinese standards group that lives in Northwest China recently incorporated into the Chinese Empire as if were the province they live in is called "Xinjiang" which means "new province".
This is, you know, this was the old empire of Genghis Khan and people like that and they're restive within China. The 95 percent of China is Han Chinese and this ethnic Muslim minority has chaffed under that, the Chinese have tried some strategies recently to throw money at them, development and such but, you know, Communist China was very hostile to organized religion and so there has been restiveness.
But as Peter said, they have never shown themselves to have really either the intention that is to say mass terrorism of the kind that this would represent nor the capacity on March 1st, do you remember there was a train station in China and there was a terrorist attack. I think 29 people were killed, but they used knives.
Flying a 777 and being able to do so with so much skill that there is no trace of the event that seems like a whole different ball game. So one would have to say it's highly unlikely but the one group as you say that has claimed responsibility of which one has to be very dubious or the Chinese Uyghurs.
MORGAN: Right. And back to you Peter Bergen, you know, the most likely theory that investigates that are currently uprooting (ph) on and again they haven't really got a clue. So no evidence to back any of this up and they believe the more likely theory is that the missing passports, the stolen passports, where being used as a dry run by drug smugglers.
Would you think that that from what you've seen and read about this is also a more likely theory than terrorism?
BERGEN: Yeah, but that wouldn't have any effect on the plane going down.
MORGAN: No. No. I'm talking about -- I'm just talking about specifically that the issues that's got everybody going about the terror link is the fact there were two people clearly traveling on stolen passports. But is it more likely given what we now know about the lack of checks with the Interpol backup system and so on that actually the stolen passports were not being used by any terrorist but more likely and in fact probably being used by some kind of dry run drug smuggling operation.
BERGEN: Yeah. Or, you know, I mean another alternative theory is the dry run for some other kind of terrorist event and we've seen dry runs take place in the past.
For instance, there was a Ramzi Yousef who was the mastermind of the first Trade Center attack in 1993 did a dry run where he blew up a bomb on a plane flying in the pacific and he killed the Japanese tourist and he was really using that as basically an experiment then go and blew up another 12 planes.
But again, you know, we just don't know and I'm not an expert on stolen passports but my -- I guess there area a lot of them floating around and this may just be a coincidence and nothing more.
MORGAN: And Greg Feith, on this issue of the passports, it would seem that Interpol has a database of all stolen passports because a lot of billion people I think have traveled in the last year alone without any check being made against that list. It seems preposterous and it does seem also extraordinary that none of these countries of many, many countries apparently have no automatic way of checking if people are traveling with stolen passports against the Interpol list.
How difficult is it to set up a system like that?
FEITH: I don't think it's that hard given the fact that Interpol has made this database very available. And here in the United States, we use it extensively to do these passport checks. But you have to look at the rest of the world because even though -- even after 9/11, we tightened up all of our terroristic type surveillance and security protocols here. But the rest of the world didn't really adopt that level of stringent protocols that we've done here.
And you also have to look back that we had a couple of events in the past. We have the underwear bomber, we had the shoe bomber, you know, you have to look at those kinds of folks that as far as an investigation is concerned, you have to determine if this was an intentional act. If it was, then it's really going to be up to the security folks to take over and try and determine how this person of persons got on the airplane and why they were able to do what they did. If it's a pure accident, then we have to look at it from a safety and pliant (ph) standpoint to see if in fact there's something wrong with the airplane.
MORGAN: Well, there's a massive rescue operation going on. Three dozen aircraft, 40 ships in 10 countries involved in the search, have expanded the search to encompass a larger area of gulf of Thailand between Malaysia and Vietnam and to narrow the science of Pennsylvania (ph) and, you know, you can only imagine the agony of these poor families waiting to hear what has happened to the 239 people on board that we just hope and pray that we get some kind of information that can at least explain what has happened.
Fareed, I want to just say something quickly to the Ukraine. The general feeling over the weekend appears to be that Crimea is pretty well lost that Putin has won the day with this. Is that your take on it and what happens then with regard to Ukraine?
ZAKARIA: There's no question that facts on the ground favored the Russians. They have created these facts on the ground. They've taken over Crimea, they've sealed off the boarders, you know, right now flights out of Crimea into Kiev are now taking place on the -- and the international terminal no longer the domestic terminal.
So they've almost created their own new country, Crimea. The question though is what does Putin want to do with the rest of Ukraine? Because Russia has long wanted to have Ukraine as part of its protector and spear of influence. And the real game is going to be whether Russia tries to continue in some way to influence it. They've done it in the past for money, huge amounts of cash that have gone and to buy politicians in Ukraine, they've done it informally throughout the means of course the use of gas and low price gas.
But I'm not sure that this is all been thought through, you know, there's this theory out there that Putin is this genius strategically playing this game. Here's what I actually think happen, Piers. I think he was watching events in Ukraine slip out of control, this country that Russia has dominated for 300 years, but Putin couldn't do anything about it because it was happening during the Sochi Olympics and he's sitting there seething, watching this country escape his grasp. The minute the Olympics end starts trying to figure out -- he scrambles to figure out what to do and he improvises brilliantly and has able to detach Crimea.
But he hasn't figured out what he's going to do about Ukraine and the Ukrainian people are increasingly becoming anti-Russian and watched this Russian takeover of Crimea with great apprehension. But what's also happening is all the other neighbors from the polls, the Baltic states but also countries like Kazakhstan, you know, the countries around Russia.
Remember, there are 25 to 30 million Russians who live in all these other countries and imagine if you are the president of say Kazakhstan and you're watching this news you say, "Gosh, if Putin doesn't like what I'm doing he's going to stir up secessionist movements in all my country."
So Putin has a lot on his hands and I don't think this is as much a plan as a lot of improvisation.
MORGAN: Fareed Zakaria, always good to talk to you. Thank you very much. And also to Greg Feith and Peter Bergen thank you very much.
Coming up, here she is on her way to me and also a successful comedian, also best-selling author, a host of TV show of course, also one of the single most dangerous celebrities and has ever been my discomfort to interview and she's going to be live and unleashed probably very funny and also extremely unpredictable. Here she is.
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CHELSEA HANDLER, CHELSEA LATELY HOST: OK. I want to have a very professional conversation with you, OK?
KERRY WASHINGTON, ACTRESS: We can try.
HANDLER: This is very professional.
HANDLER: This is going to be about women talking about their jobs because you've accomplished so much, OK don't ...
WASHINGTON: Oh my God. What is ...
HANDLER: I'm talking. No. This is about you, OK?
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MORGAN: Chelsea Handler attempting to act seriously with Carrie Washington there. I'll intend to do the same with her obviously. She's a comedian, host of the extremely successful Chelsea Lately on E! and best selling author of numerous books, her latest of which is called Uganda Be Killing Me. And Chelsea Handler is In The Chair. Welcome back to you.
HANDLER: It's Uganda Be Kidding Me first of all.
MORGAN: It's Uganda where you come from.
HANDLER: Not Killing Me, that's a little too sensitive.
MORGAN: So it's Uganda ... HANDLER: Be Kidding.
MORGAN: Be Kidding.
HANDLER: Like, "You got to be kidding me?"
MORGAN: I got it.
HANDLER: It's an American catch phrase.
HANDLER: Learn the phrase, I should say.
MORGAN: I get it. It's hilarious. Let's look at this cover which is very funny because this is you with -- in your -- well, I don't know where you are but you've got an elephant ...
HANDLER: I'm in Uganda obviously.
MORGAN: In Uganda. You've got giraffe, elephant, lion and is this a wolf here?
HANDLER: That's my dog. He's half German shepherd, half chow.
MORGAN: So you got ...
HANDLER: And no. He's not a wolf.
MORGAN: Is he a guard dog?
HANDLER: He is a guard dog. Someone tried to break into my house last night.
HANDLER: Yes. And the woman who lives with me -- I have a friend who lives with me. She heard the dogs barking, we have a few, we have two and then we have a more serious dog just in -- for these kinds of emergencies. And she ran out to the living room and saw a man by the pool and he ran out of the yard. So if you're watching please don't try that again. We have lots of security and she's also a lesbian, a powerful lesbian so ...
HANDLER: ... yeah, she's packing some serious heat.
MORGAN: Do you get worried about that kind of thing? I mean you're fabulously rich and successful.
HANDLER: Well, I have a lot of protection. I mean, I'm sure somebody can climb over my walls or something but they're not going to get very far, we have an alarm system.
MORGAN: Your book is hilarious because it is like all your books. It's basically an orgy of self satisfaction and self pleasure.
HANDLER: Am I hearing this. I'm hearing this.
MORGAN: Yes, and I love the fact that you're actually prepared to just boast about it relentlessly because it is very funny. But you write the eating or drinking or taking your clothes off or whatever may be having sex, drinking vodka.
HANDLER: If you had a body like mine, Piers, wouldn't you be taking your clothes off? I like to celebrate my life. I have a life that I'm really lucky to have and so, I want to make sure every minute counts and that I go on great vacations and I share my memories with people that I love and that will make me laugh and lalalalalala.
MORGAN: Well, my favorite story that recently involving you was that you went to Jane Fonda's house and get off your head on Quaaludes.. How do you pronounce it?
HANDLER: It's called Quaaludes. They are called Quaaludes.
MORGAN: Quaaludes. And the reason I was laughing was I watched "The Wolf of Wall Street" and we got a clip from this involving Leo DiCaprio actually performing the same act.
HANDLER: Well ...
MORGAN: Does that bring back memories in Jane Fonda's house?
HANDLER: Yeah. I don't -- well, mean it could have happened anywhere because the person who gave it to me I see all the time. But I've never taken a Quaaludes before. I had never taken a Quaalude. It was a little bit before my time. It was more of a 70's thing. I was born in 75. So I kind of missed that era. And I was sorry to miss it. So when I was offered the opportunity to participate ...
MORGAN: Is that the same -- you're at Jane Fonda's house and it must be a wonderful L.A. mansion. She's a goddess of movies, right?
HANDLER: Yeah. Well, Jane didn't really have anything to do with it. That was just the background.
HANDLER: The person who gave it to me was a friend of mine who will remain nameless just because. And I said, "Yeah, I'd try one. And then I thought, "What a disaster." It was a disaster.
MORGAN: You tried two. You tried two.
HANDLER: I tried two when she gave me two. And I gave one to my friend. And my friend said, "I don't want a Quaaludes, those things are crazy." And I said, "All right. Well, then I guess I'll do two."
But that's the adventurer in me, you know.
MORGAN: I'd love that. HANDLER: I like to make the most of an evening.
MORGAN: Right. And I've never having tried a Quaaludes. And having ...
HANDLER: You should have one.
MORGAN: ... having been curious, having watched "Wolf of Wall Street" what is it actually like?
HANDLER: It's very similar to what you saw on screen with Leonardo DiCaprio. I mean I -- I think he may have taken in many more. But it's not dissimilar that -- from that. It's very hard to move. It's -- there's a lot of weight and I don't think I'll ever take one again. It's not appealing to me.
I like things that kind of, you know, make you have a little bit more energy like I like alcohol because it makes me kind of -- it makes you happy, it makes you talkative. Quaaludes is the opposite. You may as well just wrap it up for the night and go to bed.
MORGAN: Are you quite naturally just like dangerous? I mean are you -- do you have a little devil on your shoulder that just constantly raise its ugly head?
HANDLER: I mean, it's not on my shoulder. It's, you know, it's like it's on both shoulders and then on my back and there's one on my leg. Yeah. I'm a devilish kind of person but I embrace it. I don't try to fight it. It's proven very well for me.
MORGAN: It's kind of incredibly well for you.
MORGAN: You're a remarkably successful -- you're the only female in late night television that really at all and you have a spouse that views about that with all the shake-up recently again, none of it involves women. How do you feel about that?
HANDLER: Well, I mean I don't really take it personally. I just want to make sure you're doing, you know, I want to make sure for myself that I'm doing the best job that I can do and that you're given credit for the job that you do. And so, when you are marginalized or anything, I mean there've been so many times in the press where I have them marginalized.
And you know what I, you know, scream and yell about everything, I don't want to be a squeaky wheel. I just want to be respected for what I do. You don't have to like me but you want to acknowledge that I'm in the landscape of late night television.
So that's only my only issue. You know, my only problem now is that I made a big deal about the last article that Bill Carter wrote in New York Times. And now, you know, if I decided not to do late night anymore, being the only woman in late night it would be a problem because then I'm leaving that space empty. So I kind of have to find someone to replace me. So that's what I'm doing right now.
MORGAN: But are very talented, smart funny women being deliberately kept away from these targeted late night post or...
HANDLER: No. Why would they be?
MORGAN: I don't know because I'm not the jobs. I mean you -- have one of those shows?
HANDLER: Well, I don't think they're being kept away. I mean where are they in a brothel? I mean I don't know what you mean.
MORGAN: Well, they're not on the shows. They're not hosting these shows.
HANDLER: No, they're not hosting these shows. Yes. It's a -- I think if a woman tries really, you know, I don't know how many people are attracted to having that job where you work five nights a week and you're doing a show five nights a week. You know, a lot of people don't want to do that.
So it's a matter of finding the right personality for it because you could be a great comedian or you could be a great commentator. But you don't necessarily fit that, you know, fit into that as easily as one would think. So it depends. I mean I'm sure it will change. It has to change.
MORGAN: What's been the best thing about being the single most successful, richest, late night woman on American television? Is it the fame, is it the money, is it the sex -- must come with it?
HANDLER: Sex is really, really a benefit.
MORGAN: Because you're single again now. So I presume you're going crazy again.
HANDLER: I am. I am going crazy about a lot of things. Yeah. I mean there are a lot of benefits to being successful, you know.
MORGAN: What do you like most? What's been the most gratifying result of all the success?
HANDLER: I like being able to, you know, pack up and leave the country and hop on a plane and go wherever I want and stay wherever and bring my friends with me and bring my family on vacation. That's amazing.
MORGAN: Why have I never been in Turkey?
HANDLER: Why -- who wants to go on vacation with you?
MORGAN: Jennifer Aniston, you're friend probably would.
HANDLER: Jennifer Aniston wants to go on vacation with you? I can pretty much assure you that that's not...
MORGAN: Reese Witherspoon?
HANDLER: Well ...
MORGAN: One of the gang of superstar friends.
HANDLER: ... I asked Reese, she actually may want to go on vacation with you. I have to ask her. You're right about that.
MORGAN: Well, talking of those two, you've had their haircut finally?
HANDLER: Yeah. I've had their haircut. Yes, you're right. I copy their hair cut.
MORGAN: It is in Jennifer and then Reese copied her and now you followed it.
HANDLER: Was that what happened?
MORGAN: Well, you're a little gang of three. I'm doing the (inaudible).
HANDLER: We're not a gang of three.
MORGAN: You are.
HANDLER: I'm my own gang.
MORGAN: Why have you done this to your hair? I mean I like it. So what made you do it?
HANDLER: You're so stupid. Why?
MORGAN: What made you do it?
HANDLER: Because I needed a change. I hated -- I have a fake hair. I hate fake and all that stuff. And I had, you know, those extensions in and I just didn't want to do it. It was preventing me from taking as many showers as I would like. I mean when you have a hair like that, a shower is just not a shower, it's an event.
MORGAN: Let's take a break. I want to come back and talk to you, I've had an interview of this woman called Belle Knox earlier this week -- last week, 18 year old student at Duke University who also happens to be a porn star. I want to get your take on what she said was the joy of being a porn star in terms of its liberation.
HANDLER: OK. Well, and we'll find out what her next move is going to be and what my advice is to her.
MORGAN: And whether you've made any of those movies.
HANDLER: Thank you.
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HANDLER: Hi, I'm Chelsea Handler. I'm doing a standup comedy show in support of my new book, "Uganda Be Kidding Me". Based on my previous tours, I have some new tour rules.
UNIDENITIFED MALE: Rule 37.
HANDLER: If you're a member of my family whether immediate or extended and you want to see my show, don't.
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MORGAN: So, (inaudible) from Chelsea Handler about the nature of her comedy and the targets (ph) involved. The standup has the same name as the book, "Uganda Be Kidding Me". I'm back with Chelsea who's in the chair with me.
So I want to play you a clip. This is a young lady called Belle Knox. She's a Duke University student who also happens to be a porn star. This is what she told me when she explained why she was doing this?
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BELLE KNOX, PORN STAR: We are in a society where we are so repressed every single day. We're told that sex is bad. We're told not to have sex. We're told not to show our body. Isn't it really true for women? And to be in porn and to be able to be naked and to be able to be free and have that sexual autonomy, it is so incredibly freeing.
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HANDLER: Well, that's a big leap from being free sexually to porn. I mean there's -- it's not really the same thing. I believe that's ...
MORGAN: Is she massively deluded or not?
HANDLER: No, I mean, you know, she seems sweet but, you know, porn is a hard pelt for even me to swallow. I'm not interested in it. So I don't really -- I'm not really clear on the -- or as well versed on the ins and outs of porn of unintended as people would think I am. It's just nothing that's interesting to me. But I do believe in sexual freedom.
I don't think there's any reason to lie or hide anything about yourself sexually but, you know, some people aren't just comfortable with it. I don't know. Yeah. I don't know, I mean, that's a long way that...
MORGAN: She made a point that there's a certain hypocrisy that 80 percent of all internet traffic in America is supposed to be porn- related and yet if you ask all those people, they'd all be pretty confident in nature of her for doing it.
HANDLER: Yeah, of course. Yeah. People are. I mean people don't like to admit that they watch as much porn as much porn as they do. I think there's a certain amount of shame in it. I mean, if you ware sitting around watching a lot of porn, the indication or the, you know, would be that you're not having a lot of sex of your own. I mean, and that's why I don't need to watch it because it's going on with me.
MORGAN: Because you're acting like a rabbit, presumably?
HANDLER: Yeah. Right.
MORGAN: How is your love life at the moment?
HANDLER: It's great. It's great.
MORGAN: Resolutely single?
HANDLER: Yeah. I'm single. I mean, you know, there are a couple of boys around and everybody knows what the story is. So -- I mean, they know what the story is. They know that there are, you know, it's a nice casual...
MORGAN: What is this tour?
HANDLER: Well, I'm on tour. So I just meet people on different cities and that are around.
MORGAN: You're not the female Mick Jagger, aren't you?
HANDLER: No, I'm not like Mick Jagger.
MORGAN: Certainly, waiting for this peak, you know, might live, you know, everybody is 39 like you (ph).
HANDLER: I wouldn't say I was Mick Jagger, but sure -- yeah. I mean, it's -- I have to focus on work. I really love working, love going on the road. I'm doing this standup tour. So, I can't really have a long conversations with someone about anything other than myself. And I don't want to talk about that either. So ...
MORGAN: Do you -- every time I ask you this, and you would give certain different answers that's why I keep asking you.
MORGAN: Do you actually have any yearning not to be 40?
HANDLER: No. I just turned 39. Let me have this last year in the summer, OK?
MORGAN: OK. I agree.
HANDLER: It's the last year in my 30's.
MORGAN: I'm 49 next week. So ...
HANDLER: OK. Well, no one asked you. So, I mean, why you even volunteering that information?
MORGAN: Do you not have any tiny little bit of yearning to get married, have children, live all the traditional things?
HANDLER: No. I don't know why you continue to ask me those question. It's not going to change. I don't want to be married. I work this way because I want to create a life for myself where I never have to rely on a man. I love -- I mean, if you're in love, that's a great feeling being in love but, you know, that involves a lot of other things too -- logistics ...
MORGAN: How many times did you say you'd been properly in love?
HANDLER: You've asked me that already. Yeah.
MORGAN: Yeah, but you give me a different answer each time.
HANDLER: No, I haven't. I don't know. I don't really know. I'd have to think about that overnight. And I know you don't have that kind of time.
MORGAN: We can come back tomorrow if you could think of an answer.
HANDLER: I don't have a good enough answer. You can ask me more interesting questions.
MORGAN: No. I've read that you've -- you feel a lot of men are quite intimidated by you because you're quite bossy and feisty. Well, I'm not obviously.
HANDLER: Well, you're British. British men understand me. And you know, certain men understand me. But I have to go abroad a lot to deal with men. I mean, then, when there's a language barrier, that works to my favor because they don't really understand what I'm saying. And they don't understand my sarcasm. And it's better because then I can just look cute and just giggle and whatever men like.
And then -- but in America, it's a little bit suffer for me. Men are a little bit -- like "Oh, god, here she comes." You know, and I don't want to be -- and older men like me. Older men -- because they've been around the block and they've seen it all. And gay men love me. But men my own age, it's kind of tricky.
MORGAN: Your book -- you've obviously traveled the world. What is the impression of America from all these places you went to now do you think? Is it better after two terms of Barack Obama?
HANDLER: Well, it's definitely not better after I visit somewhere because, I mean, we were terrible. We went up so far and we behaved -- I mean they called us -- I want (inaudible) like you we've never seen women act like this or drink like this. And we thought we were going in a nice safari educational trip. I want to get in touch with, you know, Mother Earth and find out where rappers are from. So when I went, I went with the intention of actually having been in an educational trip.
But, yeah, I'm not helping America when I travel because, I mean, I'm very generous and I try and tell people "I'm just kidding. This is just us having fun." And I try and always head back to form my behavior to try and make up for that.
But, I don't know. I think American goodwill is kind of always a little -- I see wherever you go. Some people are super annoyed about us. I don't think Barack Obama has heard us in the way that George Bush did. It's not that bad but I think people are just annoyed with us in general that we can't keep our ...
MORGAN: What do you -- more Americans -- I mean only I think something like 27 percent of Americans have passports. Would it help if many more Americans travel outside of America, do you think?
HANDLER: Yeah. I think travel is important for anyone. We're leading the country that you live in. If you can, you should be leaving and traveling. And Americans especially since they have, you know, more of a limited knowledge, you know, if you could give an American a map, it's, you know, it's not always -- it's kind of a role of the dye (ph) to see if you could point out a country.
And I know geographically, I'm sometimes looking -- I'm like, "How did I get over here?" I thought I was in Spain." I mean it's embarrassing. So everyone could always be better educated, but that stands for everybody all across the globe.
MORGAN: Let's take a short break. Let's come back and talk about your tweeting activities recently which got you into hot water.
HANDLER: OK. Great.
MORGAN: It made me laugh I have to say. But, maybe just because I'm just ...
HANDLER: Because you're so funny in front of the camera.
MORGAN: Yeah. Maybe. Maybe.
HANDLER: Yeah. Yeah.
MORGAN: We'll discuss after the break.
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HANDLER: As a friends, you want me to have sex with both of those guys just to test out softensy (ph) who comes back a winner and who doesn't and they wouldn't even know it was me. I will pretend I was you. I'll just put my hair maybe up in a pony and I will stand busy because I'm a mother but I would carve out time in my schedule because that's the kind friend I am.
TOM HARDY, ACTOR: I should listen to that old woman.
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MORGAN: A clip from "This Means War" with Reese Witherspoon. And back with me now is Chelsea Handler to displaying her incredible acting shops there. (Inaudible). That was a joke.
HANDLER: You're so funny with ...
HANDLER: You're so funny from that and I forgot to laugh.
MORGAN: Are you a good actress?
HANDLER: I'm not a bad actress. I can act like my self better than -- that's better than I can say for some people. But no, I wouldn't call myself an actress. I'm not an actress, actress. I don't know if I could some big character arc.
MORGAN: What is the big ambition for you now? Do you find it a lot very young?
HANDLER: Well, I don't know. Just to kind of coast, rest on my loros (ph) and just see what comes around the corner. I don't make a lot of plans. So whatever comes to my life, I mean, I'm sure I'll just continue working in some capacity probably not the same one then.
MORGAN: I bet that you were a (inaudible).
HANDLER: Thank you for letting me finish my thought.
MORGAN: Oh, I get more of that.
HANDLER: You're such a good interviewer.
MORGAN: You're just rumbling (ph) a bit, suddenly improved your work.
HANDLER: Thank you. I appreciate that.
MORGAN: Your concept runs out next year?
HANDLER: 2015, yeah.
MORGAN: '15, right.
MORGAN: And you have hinted you're not happy about the network and you made respect to some of like Netflix which is really interesting.
HANDLER: Did I say that? MORGAN: I think you did, yeah.
HANDLER: Oh yeah. I don't know. I don't have a contract with anyone right now. I made out -- my contract runs out and then I'll see where I go. I don't have a master plan but I have some offers and I have some interests for myself and what I want to do next. So, let's see where that takes me.
MORGAN: Do you like the idea of Netflix where people can binge (ph) watch you whenever they want?
HANDLER: I love Netflix. Yeah. I love Netflix. I think they've done a great job with Netflix. I watch a lot of shows on Netflix only because I can't figure out how to turn on my regular television.
MORGAN: How do you spend your life in your network? What would be your life here be this week? What will you do?
HANDLER: Well, I am working this week.
MORGAN: After the show, where do you go? What do you do?
HANDLER: Well, I have to come here and tolerate this nonsense and then I have to ...
MORGAN: What is nonsense? It's designed to flag your thought (inaudible).
HANDLER: I know. I'm going to go do a book signing at Target in Westwood ...
HANDLER: ... and then I go on the road every weekend and perform live stand up comedy and do book signings and you know, that's it. I'm just -- I'm a workhorse. I'm a workaholic.
MORGAN: You tweet very amusingly.
HANDLER: I wish you did. I mean, in the middle of the commercial break, I want your viewers to know, I mean, they must know because they're probably following you on Twitter. I mean, you can't even pay attention for 60 seconds. You're a terrible interviewer.
MORGAN: Well, you just went keeping my attention. That's what is for you and me.
HANDLER: Well, but that just not my problem.
MORGAN: What is your problem?
HANDLER: This is your show. You have to pay attention to the guest that you invited on your show.
MORGAN: You're so interesting enough. HANDLER: Yeah. They are glistened. It doesn't matter how interesting I am. You signed up for this job.
MORGAN: Because it does.
HANDLER: Well maybe that's why your job is coming to an end.
MORGAN: Don't want to cross you doing it.
HANDLER: I don't know. Do you?
MORGAN: I call that a crossing (ph). I like you when you're being gnostic (ph). And you were tweeting this (inaudible) because it's very funny. You said, "Congratulations "12 Years a Slave," go to Africa or buy Uganda be kidding me. Ahead of the curve, Oscars," you then added, if "Angelina Jolie just filed adoption papers, Lupita Nyong'o."
You got the trouble for this.
HANDLER: I guess it's a trouble all the time. I mean, people, I'm a comedian. I ...
MORGAN: I laughed. Definitely it was funny but you ...
HANDLER: You don't have to laugh. You don't have to like it but not ...
MORGAN: People start to claim you're being racist but you were. Do you -- clearly, the one thing you're not in life is a racist.
HANDLER: Yeah. No, I can't take those claims seriously because that's very far from the truth. If I got really upset about them, there might be some truth to it.
MORGAN: What's the moment if I said to you I can give you one moment back in your life to repeat right now? What would you choose?
HANDLER: It would be spending this hour differently.
MORGAN: Let me try to be nice.
HANDLER: I wouldn't think -- I don't have regrets. I don't live my life like that. I mean, you know, you pick -- you fall down, you pick yourself up, you move forward and just try to be a really good, smart, person. I like to fill my brain up with new information. That's it. I mean, I don't look back and go I wish I did that. I wish I didn't do that. I'm kind of...
MORGAN: And what's been the greatest moment that you've had?
HANDLER: I have great moments a lot. I'm really lucky. I have a great career. I don't want to bore you with real genuineness because I know that then you'll start to go on mind (ph). So, I can't really even answer any of your questions with any sort of earnestness. I loved it. I was on stage last night. I did two shows in Chicago, the Chicago Theater and I was -- and all I cared about for this tour was to really be in the moment. You know, I'm not, you know, I don't want to take any of it for granted to go on stage and have a clear idea of how many people paid money to come see me perform and not to get forget that.
And I did, and I had a, you know, I had a great time. And this tour has been great for me because when I was younger, you're just -- you're working hard, you're drinking, you don't care, like, girls about this said (ph), I care about this. If that many people are going to pay money to see me, then I want to put on a good show and I want to remember it.
MORGAN: There was one thing I wanted to play you before we finish. There's nothing to do with you.
HANDLER: Was that a song (ph)?
MORGAN: No, this is something that really got to me today. Really enraged me. I wanted to get your take on it. It was George Zimmerman who is signing an autograph session at the Florida Gun Show and I think we've got a clip that -- of this. There we go. So there he is.
This whole imagery to me seems absolutely bizarre. There's a man who killed an unarmed young black teenager who is now appearing at gun shows in Florida in America, signing autographs like he's a celebrity.
HANDLER: I think for the first time in my entire life, I may be speechless.
MORGAN: It's gut-wrenching, isn't it?
HANDLER: Well, yes. It's gut-wrenching. It's a terrible -- that's a terrible thing to have happened in the country that you live in. No wonder you're leaving.
MORGAN: And what does it say about the society that allows (inaudible).
HANDLER: Terrible. It's awful. It's awful. That guy should be in jail. I mean, he's a terrible guy. Talk about a racist, I mean, and to be congratulate at gun show? Oh God, I wish you hadn't told me about. I'm supposed to be in a good mood later today.
MORGAN: It's depressing, isn't it?
HANDLER: It is depressing.
MORGAN: I find it very depressing that it comes to that. That this guy, George Zimmerman, is probably watching this thoroughly enjoying being name chat (ph) again, but, to be a celebrity signing autographs? HANDLER: Yeah. Well...
MORGAN: Killing a young unarmed teenage, quite amazing.
HANDLER: The land of opportunity.
MORGAN: Yeah. Chelsea Handler, it's always good to see you.
HANDLER: Thank you. Thanks about anything, on such a high note.
MORGAN: Well, I'm sorry but it just got -- it got me angry of this so I want to brace (ph) it with you. I'm glad you share my anger. Chelsea Handler, "Uganda Be Kidding Me" is a hilarious book.
HANDLER: Thank you.
MORGAN: I love every page of it. Very, very funny. You are very funny and you were at "Chelsea Lately" on weeknights at 11. Thank you very much for coming here.
HANDLER: Thanks Piers. Have a good night.
MORGAN: Nice to see you. Try (inaudible) the smiles of being nice.
HANDLER: You're so handsome.
MORGAN: That will do. Thank you.
Coming up, there is no Green Room in talking of handsome man. Sam Champion is on the room for his (inaudible) adventure. He joins me. That's next.
HANDLER: He's just on my show.
MORGAN: From beast to beauty.
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MORGAN: Tonight, Senate Democrats are holding all night session on climate change. And then more with weather news, my next guest Sam Champion starts a new adventure, brand new live morning show, "AMHQ with Sam Champion" launches this week for tonight Weather Channel and joins me now. Welcome to you Sam.
SAM CHAMPION: Thank you Piers. It's always nice to see you.
MORGAN: It's great to have you here. Give me a bigger geek for a weather guy, right? In the Weather Channel, you're going to be the one that everyone wakes up to, exciting for you?
CHAMPION: It's very exciting. And I hope your right. I mean, the Weather Channel for me, I was always a fan. And so, the Weather Channel for me was where the real weather information was. Because the rest of us in this business are doing little bits of it, you know, we're able to do 30 seconds at a time, a minute a time. But the Weather Channel is someone who's a weather geek like me, is the place you can get the real understanding, the real in-depth and all the great people who do it live.
MORGAN: The thing I've learned about America spending much of a last eight, nine years here is that I thought the Brits were obsessed for weather. We are just the first base you guys are obsessed with it.
CHAMPION: Yes we did.
MORGAN: And I -- I couldn't workout why then I realized it's because there are so many extremities in American weather are they?
MORGAN: There always a hurricane, tornado, a massive snowstorm, tremendous rain, hailstorms and so on. It always seems to be freakish. Has it always been like that?
CHAMPION: No, and in years and years have been calm and quite and sometimes we've done through years where there wasn't much, you know, of a weather pattern discernible weather pattern. It's just that certainly, this last year has been wild. I'll go further the last three or four years have been wild. And the weathers have been -- the weather has been at extremes.
MORGAN: But when I take climate change arguments, because it's a big debate going on the Senate tonight about this, you tend to follow a familiar pattern. The scientists all line up to say, "Look, it's clear signs."
MORGAN: But, global warming, climate is changing and so on. And the skeptic say -- you have, you know, if you look historically over a thousand of years, we always have the cyclical explosions in weather.
CHAMPION: Right, and ...
MORGAN: Where does the truth lie?
CHAMPION: And won't the planet take care of itself?
CHAMPION: You know, is there -- is there a thing. You know, the truth to the matter is, is that we only have a small area of knowledge on the planet that we live in. And we don't devote enough time attention effort or money into studying our world, our planet, our pattern. What we know about it is basically like a doctor looking at your pinky nail and saying "I'm going tell you the health of your body."
You know, we've only have weather records for 200 years. We've only have satellite inventory for more than 20. So, you know, we're learning more about the planet. I have to tell you based on my experience, what I'm seeing isn't soothing. It is a big change. And I'm not a climatologist, but I have to listen to people who've trained to be, and when they say there's change, I believe them.
And when other people say there's not change and they say it for a reason that is political or is a money foreign reason, I don't tend to believe them. I believe the guys who have devoted their life to study it.
MORGAN: When we last spoke, you announced on GMA, you engage your long time partner Rubem. You're two very happily married men now. With all the debate about gay marriage in particular in America moving so fast and so many states embracing it, where will we be in even 10 year times do you think of America?
CHAMPION: Piers I hope it's -- I hope it's just a regular conversation. I hope you're able in this country and really in the world why shouldn't you be, to probably talk about the person that you're in love with, that you share you're life with, and have no one better than I (ph). I think that love is one of those things that I never imagine happening in my live. And I was always happy for other people who did have it.
I cannot imagine being unhappy for someone who is in loved. I just can't -- it's beyond me. It's an argument. I can't even launch to make because I don't understand the other side.
MORGAN: Completely agree with you. Sam Champion, a new show "AMHQ with Sam Champion" premieres March 17th on the Weather Channel. Great to see you. Best of luck with it.
CHAMPION: You've been fantastic. Thank you for every opportunity to be on your show, for every storm, you always were wonderful to work with.
MORGAN: And there were a lot of storms.
CHAMPION: There were, sir. Thank you.
MORGAN: Sam, thank you. Good to see you. Well be right back.
MORGAN: That's all for us tonight. Tomorrow night, a great interview with Hollywood legend Robert Wagner, who really opens up to me. I really urged you to watch it. A great legend talking as you rarely heard him.
But now, breaking news on the disappearance of flight 370. The Don Lemon Show starts right now.