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Have Flight 370 Black Boxes Been Found?; Outrage: Pillowcase Rapist Being Set Free
Aired April 7, 2014 - 21:00 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
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DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST (voice-over): Tonight, breaking news. Have the flight 370 black boxes been found?
Plus, the pillow case rapist is getting out of a mental hospital. Where should he live? How about your neighborhood?
And viral video violence. A teacher is attacked by a student and fights back.
Then, a woman with scissors sneaks up on a cop. Look out.
Let`s get started.
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PINSKY: I am joined by my co-host Jenny Hutt from Sirius XM Radio.
Coming up, you saw that video of a police officer who looks like he`s about to be stabbed in this video. He`s just writing a ticket and this woman cops up behind him and, pow, he is with us tonight. Yes. It`s stunning.
But first, the best clue yet in the search for Malaysia flight 370 -- underwater pings appear to point searchers toward the missing plane, off the coast of Australia. A full month after Flight 370 vanished, some experts are still skeptical that this is going to be a significant lead.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is the best lead yet.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Over the weekend, they heard two promising signals in the southern Indian Ocean. One of them held for more than two hours.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Those signals are consistent with transmissions from the flight data recorder and the cockpit voice recorder.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Go here. This is our best guess, where you`re going to find something. They go there, they put down this TPL and happen to hear a ping in the final hours, really, of the black box battery life.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This has been done without finding any wreckage.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It certainly would be a miracle if this does turn out to be the aircraft location.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The eventual finding of the downed aircraft has been enabled by wreckage on the surface.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Cautious, measured optimism.
PINSKY: Joining us, HLN`s Lynn Berry. Michelle Fields, correspondent for PJ Media. Sam Schacher, host of "Pop Trigger". And by phone, Mary Schiavo. She`s a CNN aviation analyst.
Mary, it seems like this is a breakthrough. I understand the various agencies are there on the scene sending out sort of unmanned vehicles to try to find the box. Is this a viable -- do you think this is going to yield the box?
MARY SCHIAVO, CNN AVIATION ANALYST (via telephone): I think it will. I actually think that it is the sound. It is the pinger.
Now, the question is, they`re trying to replicate the transmissions that they have picked up before. The first day they got it for a couple hours then they got it for substantially less period of time when they turned around and tried to get it again.
At this point, given where the coordinates are, they have the latitude and longitude, it would be in a three to five mile circle of where they heard it, but they want to narrow that down before they deploy the submersibles and map the ocean floor and really finding the box.
But there`s nothing in nature that sounds like this. It`s the right frequency. It`s the number of pings per minute. It`s the right thing.
And they have two. They found not just one pinger, but two pinger sounds, which would indicate flight data recorder and cockpit voice recorder.
PINSKY: Interesting. Oh, I didn`t realize that.
Mary, this business of him coming -- we`re looking at the flight path now. They flew around the Indonesian -- presumably outside of their ability to capture the flight by radar. Do you think that was a legitimately somebody trying to avoid radar? Is that -- I`ve heard some theorists say that that`s the captain realizing the plane was not going to be able to be landed trying to avoid land.
What do you think that was?
SCHIAVO: I think it`s Indonesia`s radar was not capable of picking them up. I`ve been reading a lot of news stories from Indonesia, and they`ve had great problems with their radar. In fact, they`re rebuilding it right now.
One of the articles said it would be a national disgrace or point of national pride if they couldn`t pick up their aircraft, and yet other articles say they can`t pick up civilian aircraft transversing their airspace.
So I think the fact that they spoke up 30 days later and said, oh, they were trying to skirt our radar, really they don`t have any tracing as a way to explain it away. So, I`m skeptical and I want to wait for the facts. The things we`re working off before were four waypoints and I think those are the facts. That`s what we go with until we have more.
Besides, if we have the black boxes, it doesn`t matter. We`ll have what happened.
PINSKY: Now, lots of people are sending in twitter questions using #370qs. Sam, bring up that question about people, somebody, whether or not somebody could jettison the boxes off the flight. Do you have that tweet?
SAM SCHACHER, POP TRIGGER: Yes, I do. A lot of twitter action, Dr. Drew. But the one you`re referring to, Brad asks, could the black boxes have been accessed from inside the plane and dropped out of the plane?
SCHIAVO: They cannot. They`re in the tail. There`s no way to access it from inside. That`s military technology. They`re never be deployed in civilian technology.
And the next thing comes down the civilian pipeline is to have automatic data downloads in-flight. Literally has you`re going around, you would download the information.
So, no, there was no way for anyone to get them.
PINSKY: I want to give Lynn a chance to ask a question. Mary, Lynn, do you have anything?
LYNN BERRY, HLN HOST: Well, Mary, I think that that`s a significant question because there`s no wreckage that has found in that area. We`re talking about three square miles, three nautical square miles. We`re talking about three miles deep.
So, what I`ve heard from experts is there would be some kind of wreckage if this is the spot. So, could this just --
PINSKY: You would expect.
BERRY: So, could this be pings from something else?
SCHIAVO: It`s unlikely they`re pings from something else. However, the lack of wreckage is very unusual. You know, there are planes from World War II they`re still finding in the ocean. They`re different kinds of planes, smaller, metal. Small planes, you often find small planes that land on the water and sink.
But for modern jetliners certainly of this side, there`s not another accident where they landed, or they came down. However they came down, either stalled and came down, ran out of fuel and came down, landed, came down, whatever it is -- there`s not another instance where they were able to make a successful ocean landing.
What usually happens is a wing will hit a wave and then they cart wheel. The only real success is Sullenberger and Skiles on the Hudson. Remember, ferries and boats arrive very quickly and the lines on cables on the plane so it wouldn`t sink.
MICHELLE FIELDS, PJ MEDIA: Let`s say it is the black box. How long does it generally take to retrieve it?
SCHIAVO: Well, that`s going to depend how much they can narrow it down. Today, at least as we understand it, they weren`t hearing signals again, so it`s still a pretty wide area. Three to five mile radius doesn`t sound like a big area, but now they will have to take the submersibles and literally map out the floor. It`s very dark, it`s slow going.
So, it could take several weeks if they have no more indications of pings and can`t narrow it down. Or, you know, tomorrow if they go out and they get the ping and they get it narrowed down to a few hundred feet, you got it.
PINSKY: Thanks so much, Mary.
We`re going to change topics. Thank you, panel.
Next up, coming up, has the pillow case rapist been so-called cured? A judge says he`s no longer a danger, but the neighbors disagree.
And later, looks like this cop is going to be stabbed in the back. We will show you precisely how this video plays out.
We are back after this.
PINSKY: This man raped nearly 40 women and he is about to go free.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The state has found this home for Christopher Hubbart. Hubbart also known as the pillow case rapist is a violent sexual predator believed to have raped as many as 40 women in a 10-year period. He admitted to raping 26 women in the L.A. area in the `70s and 15 more in the San Francisco area in the `80s.
This is the second location for Hubbart. The property owner there withdrew his property after a backlash.
Now, residents are upset the new location is only three miles away.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That would not make me feel safe to have someone like that that close.
PINSKY: Back with Jenny, Lynn, Michelle, and Loni Coombs, former prosecutor, author of "You`re Perfect and Other Lies Parents Tell."
The judge says the pillow case rapist is not a danger to the community, but a new home for the sex offender has been found, upsetting members of that community. Facebook page has been created for these outraged residents.
Lynn, he`ll be released one day soon. Is that OK? Should these people be upset? What do you say?
BERRY: Of course. I mean, can you imagine, I mean, these days we`re worried about our kids just going out for a bike ride and being in danger. To have a serial rapist, we`re not talking slight offense, we`re talking dozens and dozens of women. He was released once before.
SCHACHER: Even one.
BERRY: And struck again, 15 more times.
Now, the judge says that they chose this area because this is where he was born and raised. The residents there say, he doesn`t have any family here anymore. Why are you choosing this area?
In the past, since Meagan`s law has been in place, they`ve had 10 percent of offenders go to that area and they`re only 4 percent of the population. So, they`re saying, what gives? Well, what gives is this is a very isolated area and, frankly, farthest away from schools.
He`ll be monitored. He`ll have an ankle bracelet. I say this guy, no doubt, given the opportunity will strike again. This judge should explain himself as to why he thinks this guy is capable to be let back into the public.
PINSKY: And, Loni, why isn`t the judge being -- his hand being held to the fire on this? Why can`t -- you know, I couldn`t see somebody like this going to be safe. I understand they`re going to monitor the heck out of him but they`re not monitoring him that carefully.
LONI COOMBS, FORMER PROSECUTOR: Right. Dr. Drew, it`s really interesting, it`s under the Sexual Violent Predator Act. And they stay in this mental hospital until they`re determined to be safe again. And at some point, the mental health officials who are watching this man over decades decided he was safe. They took in front of this judge in Santa Clara. And the judge in Santa Clara said, I agree, he`s safe. I`m going to order he be released to L.A. County.
Well, what`s interesting about that is the LADA said, wait a minute, you didn`t let us know this review was going on. If we have known about this hearing, we would have been there, we would have been objecting, we would have been arguing saying he should be kept in the hospital. We didn`t get that chance. And now, you`re releasing him to our county and we`re stuck finding a place to put him and we don`t want to put him anywhere in our county.
PINSKY: Jenny, could he end up homeless if no one takes this guy and the judge releases him?
BERRY: Even worse.
JENNY HUTT, CO-HOST: This guy is going to end up somewhere. He has to. I mean, that`s part of the law. He gets rehabilitated. He gets to go live somewhere.
Look, it`s like an episode of "SVU." This guy is going to do it again. Somebody who has this level of propensity, they do it over -- do you think he can be rehabilitated, really?
PINSKY: I don`t think -- I`m not sure. But, Michelle --
HUTT: He can`t. I mean --
PINSKY: Michelle, you were shaking your head vigorously when Jenny was talking about rehabilitation.
FIELDS: Well, he already was in a mental hospital. They said that he was rehabilitated. They let him out and he committed it again. He raped other women.
If this judge and these health officials feel as though he`s OK enough to be out on the streets, why don`t they volunteer for him to live next door to them and their families and let`s see how OK they are with it.
This guy is going to do it again. He did it before. He should be in prison. He shouldn`t be living anywhere other than prison.
PINSKY: You mentioned bringing somebody in who could be subjected to this in their neighborhood.
I have Lisa Interrante on phone. She lives a few miles away from the proposed new home of the so-called pillowcase rapist.
And, Lisa, you have a 16-year-old daughter. You must be beside yourself with this.
LISA INTERRANTE, POTENTIAL NEIGHBOR (via telephone): Yes, we, in this whole community, are very disturbed on that this is even brought to be an issue again.
PINSKY: And what are you doing to sort of take this to task?
INTERRANTE: Well, we have a community, a small community group right now that we`ve organized. We`ve made a Facebook page to keep the rest of the community up to date on protests that we`re planning. We`re really trying to work right next to all of our representatives. We are trying to get a bus caravan to the courthouse so that the judge can see the faces of the people that he plans to place this monster with. We are absolutely not OK with this.
We are having letters written alongside petitions. We are going to be having a candlelight vigil. We are just pulling together from so many resources everything that we can think of to finally put this to an end once and for all.
PINSKY: OK. Lisa, I want you to keep listening to our program because I`m bringing the behavior bureau up next. A convicted sex offender who advocates on behalf of other sex offenders, he says this guy is rehabilitatable and that by castigating him as such may make him more likely to do something unsavory.
And later, the high-seas rescue -- I know -- high-seas rescue has a happy ending. There they are. Should the mom and dad have been out there at all with those two tiny little kids?
Back after this.
PINSKY: The pillowcase rapist about to be a free man.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hubbart admitted to raping and molesting women at two-week intervals over two and a half year period from 1969 to 1972.
HUTT: Took a pillowcase and snapped them and raped them.
PINSKY: He attacked 10, 20, 30 women, maybe even more.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hubbart continued raping and sexually assaulting victims after each parole.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: One of the times he was released, he raped that same day.
PINSKY: Some say no longer a danger to society or I suppose they mean to women.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But the lawyer in me says, okay, he did the crime, he served the time. We have to respect that.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: People like this who ruined dozens of women`s lives should rot in his jail cell and his life should be ruined.
PINSKY: Back with Jenny, and the behavior bureau. Sam Schacher, Judy Ho, clinical psychologist and professor at Pepperdine University. Erica America, Z100 Radio personality, also psychotherapist.
A southern California landlord lady has agreed to rent a home to the so-called pillowcase rapist. The home is located in what`s described as a dirt road in "a sparsely populated area". That`s in quotes.
Sam, you were fired up last time. What do you say now?
SCHACHER: Yes, this is insane. Should this man be released? Hell to the no. He`s violently brutally raped women. As I stated in the previous package, he`s potentially ruined all of their lives.
And he has reoffended. He has been in a state hospital after 10 years. He was not rehabilitated. What makes anybody think he`s going to be rehabilitated now?
I wouldn`t want to take that chance on him. I wouldn`t want him in my neighborhood.
PINSKY: Sam, you`re giving the average person`s point of view. Let me bring in a couple experts.
I`ll go to Erica first.
Erica, do you think this is a rehabilitatable circumstance?
ERICA AMERICA, Z100 RADIO: I think this is the kind of case that warrants the looking at these whatever these laws are to be looked at and possibly changed. This man has brutally raped over 30 women.
AMERICA: He`s gone out. He`s done that. He`s done it again. I think he needs to be in an institution, a mental health institution.
PINSKY: So, that`s a no. Erica says no.
PINSKY: I`ll take that as a no.
Judy, what do you say?
JUDY HO, PSYCHOLOGIST: Dr. Drew, he`s actually been part of the state hospital program and that`s one of the most comprehensive programs we have for sex rehab. And guess what? It didn`t work.
And these are just the ones that we know about, Dr. Drew. He`s been convicted of, what, maybe 40 women. How about all the ones that weren`t reported, that weren`t convicted? I don`t think this man is rehabilitable at all.
PINSKY: All right. So, on the phone, I have Derek Logue. He is a convicted sex offender, himself, and he fights for the rights of other offenders.
Derek, I`ve got a lot of questions for you. I`m sure my panel does as well.
You heard what Judy said about the program he was in. He was in an intensive program. I`m in favor of treating sex addicts and people with bizarre paraphernalia and things. But they should be treated before they commit crimes. And after they commit crimes, then it`s about the law. Now, the law is ready to release him.
Do you think he`s a -- somebody who`s going to act out again?
DEREK LOGUE, CONVICTED SEX OFFENDER (via telephone): Well, you know this, obviously the statistics would be ruling against him in some respects. I mean, obviously a person with multiple offenses is more likely to reoffend than somebody who committed a one-time offense.
I will say this much that, you know, I do have to wonder what kind of treatment people get in, you know, places like what the woman just mentioned earlier because civil commitment these days isn`t that much about treatment. It`s more about a political lockup, locking people beyond their state-appointed prison sentences and don`t wonder if individuals really, truly get treatment at these places.
PINSKY: I`m going to give Judy a chance to address this since she`s familiar with the program. Judy, go ahead.
HO: OK. Hi, Derek.
The program that I was referring to is actually one of the most comprehensive programs that we know. So there is many treatments throughout the day. It`s seven days a week. So, there`s group treatment, there`s individual treatment, there`s medication. And he went through that for about six years from what I read from the reports.
So this is not a man that`s rehabilitable, but I know that there are many who are. I know that the statistics are that only about 5 percent reoffend sexually, but 70 percent actually reoffend in some other way and get in trouble with the law again.
So what are your thoughts about that, Derek?
LOGUE: Well, I think a lot of the reasons why a lot of people that are in prison go back to prison is because when an individual gets out of prison, and he has a sex offense on his record, you have the public outrage, you have the public registry, you have community notification. You have people ostracizing, humiliating and shaming and threatening the offender.
And those are the kind of things that cause instability in the individual`s life. When that happens, what you have an individual who has nothing to lose and you give them more incentive to commit any type of crime, not necessarily a sex act.
LOGUE: But commit a crime just to go back to prison.
HUTT: Derek, Derek, Derek. A man who rapes 38 times, you cannot blame society on -- as the reason that he continues to rape. How could you possibly argue that it`s our fault that he ends up raping more and more?
LOGUE: You did not -- see, that`s the problem. You`re having such a big disconnect. That`s not what I said at all.
What I said is that individual has served his sentence. He deserves that opportunity to become a productive member of society.
AMERICA: No, no, no, no.
LOGUE: He`s a stable resident. He needs a stable job. He needs a place where he can have support and the opportunity to be held accountable for his actions.
PINSKY: Derek, I have to interrupt you.
LOGUE: It`s a recipe for disaster.
PINSKY: I have to interrupt, I want to ask my producers here. Now, I`ve got Sam and I`ve got Erica all worked up. Do I have time to let them -- OK.
Sam, go ahead.
SCHACHER: Yes, Derek, OK, really quickly, because this guy has been released and he has reoffended. He`s been given his fair shot.
Would you feel comfortable if he moved next to your daughter or grandmother or sister or girlfriend?
LOGUE: Well, I don`t deal in hypotheticals. I deal in cold hard facts. If a sex offender lives next door to me, I`m not going to be concerned about what (AUDIO GAP) a man by his actions, not by his label. That is something the rest of you people should be doing.
SCHACHER: He`s reoffended.
LOGUE: And does that necessarily mean that he`s going to go out and reoffend now? I mean, I was --
PINSKY: Erica, I want to give you that shot. Hang on, Erica, go.
AMERICA: Yes, Derek, there`s a big difference between kissing an underage girl once and raping 38 women, 36 women, whatever it is. We`re talking apples and oranges. These things need to be individually treated.
And you can`t just say, oh, because they were mean to me when I got out, it should be the same for him. Totally different.
LOGUE: You know, I`m not advocating that, you know, that we should invite the guy over for dinner and let your daughter sit on his lap. I`m advocating you let the guy have an opportunity to be a productive member. If you see him doing wrong, I have no problem. Call the police on him.
PINSKY: You got it, my friend. Thank you for joining us. Panel, thank you as well.
Next, I`ve got a seafaring family rescued on the high seas. Parents taking a beating on Facebook and Twitter.
And later, a student attacked the teacher but the teacher ended up getting suspended. Facebook is going crazy over this. We`ll get into that story after this.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER (1): With dreams of cruising the world, Eric Kaufman and his wife, charlotte, took off sailing with their two daughters last month.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER (1): They left Mexico just two weeks ago with their daughters, Cora and Lyra.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER (2): They have been documenting their sailing adventures through their blog and these YouTube videos.
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ERIC KAUFMAN, FATHER OF CORA AND LYRA: Thanks for watching our cool video.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER (3): Their boat was about 1,000 miles off Mexico`s pacific coast.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER (2): Their 1-year-old daughter, Lyra, seen here developed a giant rash across her body.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER (4): Their sailboat then lost power.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: The boat also lost its radios and its ability to move.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER (3): The California Air National Guard sent rescuers who parachuted in, stabilized the girl and stayed with the family.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER (5): The navy assisting in this rescue operation deployed the U.S. Vandergrift.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER (4): Sailors got the sick little girl, 1- year-old Lyra Kaufman onboard along with her sister, Cora.
DR. DAVID DREW, CNNHN HOST OF "DR. DREW ON CALL": Back with Jenny, Lynn, Michelle, and Loni. The 1-year-old apparently will be fine. The navy ultimately was forced to sink the boat. The entire family is right now being taken back to San Diego. And, the parents are facing harsh criticism.
Many say they should never have been out there in the first place with these little kids. Here are some of the comments posted on their Facebook page. Put them up. Quote, "Sailing around the world with a 1- year-old and 3-year-old? Do these two have any common sense? These kids should be taken from them until the parents learn some common sense." Another writes, "I hope the U.S. Government sends you a bill for this adventure courtesy of the U.S. taxpayer." Michelle, do you agree or disagree?
MICHELLE FIELDS, POLITICAL JOURNALIST: Yes. Absolutely, taxpayers should not have to fund their stupidity. They should not have been doing this. This is selfish. They put their children at risk in order to fulfil some sailing fantasy that they have. And, the child who got sick had salmonella right before they left. What are they doing? Taking children so far away from medical facilities? It is stupid.
DR. DREW: Jenny, you seem to agree with that.
JENNY HUTT, HLN CO-HOST OF "DR. DREW ON CALL": Yes. I agree with that? Dr. Drew, I do not want my kids to leave the house for the first year of their lives. To take a baby sailing on the open seas with who knows what kind of danger and possible peril -- not even thinking about a sickness and the fact that the kid had --
DR. DREW: Loni?
LONI COOMBS, LEGAL COMMENTATOR: Yes?
HUTT: -- it is out of control.
DR. DREW: Loni, agree?
COOMBS: Well, yes, absolutely. Dr. Drew, the interesting thing is they were blogging about their experience and they knew how difficult this was. They were struggling with this from the very beginning. The mother writes on day six of this big adventure, "Lyra is the most absolutely challenging part of this trip.
And, Lyra, if you are reading this, no, we do not mean you are a bad baby. You are wonderfully active, happy, vocal, curious, busy, just as you should be. We are the nut balls who decided to set to sea with you. Trust you, we have no one else to blame for bringing a 13-month-old to sea than ourselves." And, then she refers to it as extreme parenting. She knew this was a bad decision. They should have turned around and gone back.
DR. DREW: All right. Lynn?
LYNN BERRY, HLN ANCHOR/CORRESPONDENT: Chances are I do not know that they were talking specifically about the dangers that they may face health wise. I think they were probably talking about a screaming baby on a boat that they did not have do, you know, any escape from.
I think that really what is interesting here, though, is I knew someone that did this. They had a 4-year-old and an 8-year-old. And, they sailed around the world and one thing that is important to know, I do not agree with this, I will put that out there, but they went beyond to be prepared. They went to classes in Colorado to learn how to heal all different kinds of wounds.
DR. DREW: Right.
COOMBS: But a child --
DR. DREW: OK. All right. But, here is the deal.
BERRY: I get it. I get it. I get it.
COOMBS: But a baby does not have the immune system to be out there in that environment. Their immune system has not developed.
FIELDS: Michelle, you are right as a physician, this drives me out of our mind. These people do not realized -- We live in such an insulated world here in the U.S., where we are healthy and not exposed to really the infectious diseases that the rest of the world suffers from.
But, Michelle -- Put Michelle up beside me. I am a little surprised that the conservative libertarian side of you is not ringing in here. And, your interest in telling a parent how to live their life. I do not think they should do that. If they want to go out on the sea, they should go out on the sea. I disagree with all of you guys.
FIELDS: Well, look. I do not agree with what they are doing. Do I think they should be put in jail that their kids should be taken away? No. But, do I think people make stupid mistakes? Yes and that is what they did.
DR. DREW: Yes. They made a stupid mistake, but we should not be telling them how to be a family, how to live their lives --
FIELDS: No. No. No. No.
DR. DREW: Think of the people who abuse and neglect their kids.
FIELDS: The government -- The government --
DR. DREW: We are not going after their parents.
FIELDS: -- the government should not be. The government should not be.
DR. DREW: Well, we the people --
FIELDS: I have every right to say that she is stupid. What they did is dumb. But, the government should not be stomping on their rights.
DR. DREW: Somebody was writing on the Facebook page that they should have their kids taken away from them. That is the government stepping in.
FIELDS: No. I do not agree with that.
DR. DREW: I think -- Listen. Be careful, ladies, we are all getting too involved in telling other people how to live their lives. I am just concerned with it. I am just concerned, that is all I am saying. And, I am a little surprised at Michelle there. The rest of you, I know you are anxious. I am anxious, too.
But, Michelle really surprised me. I thought she will behave. We cannot tell you how to live your life. No, it is foolishness. It is dangerous. People do not have any judgment about this kind of thing because we live in this insulated world in the United States, where we do not have the kinds of medical problems the rest of the world suffers from.
Not to mention the dangers of being -- I am sure the navy and coast guard are beside themselves. I have to read what the family did say though, they said, quote, "We understand there are those who questions our decision to sail with our family. But, please know this is how our family has lived for seven years -- They have been on a boat I guess -- And, when we departed on this journey more than a year ago, we were then and remain today confident that we were prepared as well as any sailing crew could." We question that, but I say, we will leave it at that.
Next, you have got to see this. A woman with scissors sneaks up on a police officer. Guy is just writing a ticket, and this is a woman, I believe, behind him. And look what happens next. We will show you how this ends up.
And later, a teacher who was a wrestling coach gets into it with a student and the brawl is seen worldwide. The teacher ends up kind of on the wrong end of the bargain. We will talk about it after this.
DR. DREW: Back with our Behavior Bureau, Jenny, Sam, Judy, Erica. Now, guys, take a look at this video. It is stunning. We have shown you bits and pieces of it. An officer just writing a ticket, I mean minding his own business on the side of the road. See the woman smoking across the street.
And, she sneaks up on him with a pair of scissors and starts stabbing him. That is right. Stabs him in the back with a pair of scissors and keeps on trying to attack him. Sam, what is this?
SAMANTHA SCHACHER, HOST OF "POP TRIGGER": OK. First of all, when I heard and saw this video, Dr. Drew, I thought it was a scorned lover because of all of the -- oh, heartwarming stories we cover here on Dr. Drew HLN.
DR. DREW: Thank you, Sam.
SCHACHER: But in fact, this woman, they were complete strangers. And she was at work. Those scissors are from work. And, she was intoxicated on the lovely combination of Bacardi 151 and prescription medication.
DR. DREW: OK. Stop there. Stop there. Erica, is that a sufficient explanation to -- for us to understand what went on here?
ERICA AMERICA, AMERICAN RADIO PERSONALITY: Absolutely not. I mean just the other day we talked about a guy who did not remember what happened when he was wearing no pants, tried to get on a school bus carrying a gun.
DR. DREW: You are talking about my weekend again?
AMERICA: Yes. But, I do --
DR. DREW: Just saying.
AMERICA: I do want to say this. We really need to applaud the police officer here for acting in such restraint not to be trigger happy as we have seen in other cases. He thought enough within seconds that he could hit the people in the car, so he used his taser instead.
DR. DREW: Yes. Taser. Yes.
AMERICA: So, this is an example really of really great thinking and a great police officer. Job well done.
DR. DREW: Well. OK. Hang on, Judy. I am going to give you a chance to respond as well. I have actually got that police officer on the phone. Go ahead, Judy.
JUDY HO, PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, I actually think that this woman is in a psychotic state.
DR. DREW: Me, too.
HO: Exactly! Which can be explained by a lot of different medications.
DR. DREW: Yes.
HO: Even ones you can get over the counter like antihistamines, like corticosteroids, like medications for your gastrointestinal tract.
DR. DREW: Well, not very frequently. It is pretty bizarre to have that.
HO: Well, but it can. It is possible.
DR. DREW: Especially when you are using other pills and alcohol. Sometimes people with psychotic illnesses use substances to try to suppress the systems and interestingly, they would not take the medications that will help.
DR. DREW: So, on the phone, Officer Brent Maddocks, he of course was the gentleman attacked in that video. Officer Maddocks, thank you for joining us. And, please tell us what happened, what did you think was going on? And, how are you now?
BRENT MADDOCKS, OFFICER ATTACKED IN THE VIDEO: Well, I am doing great. Originally, it was just a traffic stop. You know, no traffic stop is routine. You got to be able to know what is going on around you, and obviously right there, you know, I had my back to the person.
When she first came up behind me, it felt like somebody just hit me. So, the initial shock, I did not feel like I had been stabbed. So immediately, you know, training kicked in. I started trying to put distance between myself and the attacker trying to assess the situation and she kept her distance.
As I slowed down, she slowed down. If I would speed up, she would speed up. In my head, immediately I am thinking that this is -- she is wanting me to do something here. So, I am trying to -- my left, I have got a packed plant at work. Behind her, I have a carload with a family in it.
And, to the right, just outside my dashcam, there is a busy intersection with numerous eating establishments, full of people at 7:30 at night. So, you know, I felt the need to take her life was not to that point yet. Now, if it had come down to --
DR. DREW: Did you know why she did it? Did you know what was going on? Did you get that information? Can you sort of flush out this story more fully?
MADDOCKS: To be honest with you, it would be me speculating. After the incident, I had no contact with her. My supervisor showed up and he took over the scene. And, I went to the hospital and after that I was kind of oblivious to everything other than what was released in the newspaper here locally.
DR. DREW: Right and Officer Maddocks what I am hearing is that she claims she does not remember anything because she was a blackout drunk and on prescription meds. That for us, I mean, that does not quite fully flush out the whole story. Is this woman hospitalized now? Is she jailed? Do we know where she is?
MADDOCKS: She was jailed in the Moscow County detention facility on felony charges. She is being held without bail right now in the district attorney`s office. DR. DREW: Jenny?
HUTT: I was just going to say, Dr. Drew, do not you feel in a way that walking out with the scissors from the office in a way --
DR. DREW: She may have been paranoid already. She may have been paranoid. That is what Judy and I are saying. Judy and I were saying he was in a psychotic state. She may also use substance but the psychosis is what made her paranoid and violent. Sam, did you have a question?
SCHACHER: Yes. Brent, did I read after you cuffed her that she tried to run in purposely into traffic?
MADDOCKS: Yes, ma`am. Yes, she did.
SCHACHER: Wow. Yes.
DR. DREW: Well, Officer Maddocks, we are delighted that you are well and that you showed restraint. And, thank you for sharing your story with us.
HUNT: You did such an amazing job.
DR. DREW: It is stunning. You did a great job. Thank you for joining us tonight.
MADDOCKS: Thank you very much.
DR. DREW: Next up, student versus teacher. Who won is sort of complicated. We will get into that. And, a reminder, you can find us any time on instagram @drdrewhln. We will be right back.
DR. DREW: Back with Jenny and Behavior Bureau, Sam, Judy and Erica. Cell phone video captures an alarming confrontation between a high school teacher and a student. Watch this tape from KTLA.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE STUDENT: Hey, hold up.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER (voice-over): Caught on cell phone video. A brawl between a teacher and student in a classroom.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE STUDENT: Help him out.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER (voice-over): The two are wrestling and struggling with each other. We do not see any punches thrown in the video. The teacher eventually restrains the young man. We do not know the circumstances that led up to the violent confrontation.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE STUDENT: The wrestling coach came and he was -- he thought this kid had drugs on him. He came up and on confronted him about it.
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DR. DREW: Now, two teens were ultimately arrested. Police say an 18- year-old had marijuana and a box cutter on him. He was charged with possession and battery. Another 16-year-old was also arrested. Is the teacher -- here is a photo from the teacher, of the teacher from KTLA.
So, we will watch that while we are talking about -- there he is. We have seen him in the last tape. Question, Judy, is can we tell whether he was right or wrong? As it stands, he got a lot of grief on social media, but he may have been sort of appropriately restraining these students.
HO: Well, I understand the self-protective nature of what he found himself to be in, but there is actually certified training protocols for how to restrain and prevent physical violence when you are working with teens as well as the mentally ill. What i saw in that video really does not look like one of those protocols. I know when emergencies happen --
DR. DREW: Judy, let me interrupt you. Judy, most of those protocols involve a show or force, multiple people show up to avoid this kind of confrontation.
HO: Right. Right. Exactly.
DR. DREW: Maybe he was alone at the time and could not get a show of force there.
HO: That is true. I understand that. But, at the same time he was using wrestling moves. I just think that that might have been a little bit too much. I understand he was in an aggravated assault position.
DR. DREW: All right. I do not disagree with you. And, when this first happened, the superintendent called the situation, quote, "utterly alarming" and quote, "deeply disturbing," thereby criticizing the teacher and now, over the weekend, this same superintendent apologized for her rush to judgment. Erica, what do you say?
AMERICA: Yes. I just want to say, you know, my dad, Dr. Drew, always taught me a lesson to not rush to judgment before making a decision about something, whether making someone into a hero or crucifying them. And, especially with social media and cell phone videos, we do not know what happened right before.
We do not know if he was provoked with the box cutter. And, you know what I am saying? So, I think the superintendent she made a mistake. She acted too quickly. She threw the guy -- the teacher under the bus and then the whole community came out and said this teacher is a good guy. So, the bottom line is we do not have enough facts.
DR. DREW: Well, Sam got that, Erica. Sam has some of that support. But, I agree with judy, there are protocols that need to be followed for deal with young people.
SCHACHER: But, Dr. Drew -- I do not know, my mom`s a teacher. If a student of her`s came to her with a box cutter, I hope my mom would defend herself like that. You do not see this teacher throw punches.
DR. DREW: Judy? Judy? Hang on. Let`s see what will Judy say.
HO: Sam, I actually used to worked in a special education school and found myself many times as an individual with somebody coming at many we an assaultive weapon.
HO: So, I had to actually deal with it on my own too.
SCHACHER: What did you do?
HO: And, actually, one time I actually had a concussion. So, may be that was not great, but I did not wrestle the student either. I ran. I did not just run quickly enough. And, I am embarrassed to say it was an overgrown 10-year-old who gave me a concussion on my head by hitting me.
DR. DREW: And, Sam to be fair, Judy looks, when she fights she looks like one of those kill bill fights. She is awesome.
SCHACHER: That is hot.
DR. DREW: But, anyway, Sam, you have a couple of tweets for us, right?
SCHACHER: Yes. I do I have a couple tweets. One supporter, Renee Jeda, who might be a teacher, she says, "She would have done the same thing and teachers are held to a double standard." But then mr.exec writes, no patience, #fail.
DR. DREW: Jenny, last thought.
HUTT: No. I mean, he is wrong. That teacher was defending himself, Dr. Drew. There was a box cutter. There were two big teenagers coming at him. If I were him, I would have done the same thing.
DR. DREW: Story will continue to unfold. Next up, the mysterious death of a socialite model. We will get into it after this.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: Model and socialite Peaches Geldof has been found dead. Peaches was just 25 years old.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER: She was very much a media personality. A fashion columnist. The mother of two very young children.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: Daughter of musician Bob Geldof and Irish musician, live aid organizer, close friend of Paris Hilton. She just posted herself as a baby in her mother`s arms. Her mother, T.V. personality Paula Yates died of a drug overdose in September 2000.
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DR. DREW: And The last image was from Instagram. I am back with Jenny, our Behavior Bureau, Sam, Judy, and Erica. Sam, peaches started her adulthood at a young age. Tell me what I mean by that.
SCHACHER: Yes, just at the young age of 25. She had been married twice. She leaves behind two little kids. What we were just hearing about, her mother when she was just 10 or 11 died of a heroin overdose.
And, she is also remembered as being a major pop culture icon. As a teenager, she was a columnist for a newspaper. She was a T.V. host, a model. She had a T.V. series and was very, very well loved.
DR. DREW: Now, Erica, I know you follow a lot of pop culture figures. Did you ever follow her? Have feelings about this young lady?
AMERICA: Sure. I did, I did. Always thought she was very beautiful, awesome style. But, what I think personally is when a child is forced to go through very heavy things early --
DR. DREW: Like what?
AMERICA: -- like the addiction, having her mother be an addict.
DR. DREW: Yes.
AMERICA: Listen. Her mother being an addict. The loss of her mother. Then having so many experiences very soon because of financial privilege. We see this with wealthy people all the time as well as famous people. Think about Drew Barrymore, Britney Spears, Michael Jackson. They get everything so fast --
DR. DREW: Is this afluenza, Erica? Are you making that case again?
AMERICA: Just saying, that a lot of times it allows them not to develop into adulthood in a fully healthy manner. I am not saying that was necessary --
DR. DREW: Yes. I understand.
AMERICA: But, it robs them of a part of their adolescence.
DR. DREW: So, based on what you heard from Sam, what we heard from Erica, Judy, are we speculating that this was suicide or, whenever I hear young person death without an obvious medical condition like a cancer or something that explains it obviously, it is usually mental health or addiction. And, it is usually addiction, frankly. And, especially with a family history of addiction, you got to wonder, that is what takes out so many young people. Just playing the odds.
HO: That is right, Dr. Drew. Because her mother suffered from addiction, herself, and actually died from it, what I see here is her own brain chemistry, I mean, we know addiction is one of the most highly familial disorders out there.
DR. DREW: Yes.
HO: And, so, we see that her own brain chemistry may have been altered, she may have developed higher tolerance. She may have had a different reward pathway. She was using drugs before when she was younger and she admitted to it.
But, somebody who had that in the family, when they use drugs, the brain chemistry is very, very different from somebody who does not have the familial link and just experimented once or twice. These are effects you see for years afterwards.
DR. DREW: Yes. Jenny, it is about 50 percent per child that an offspring of an addict is going to get addiction. You have to wonder in this case. Do you know anything?
HUTT: No, well, just what everyone else is saying. Listen, Dr. Drew, is not it likely that if somebody else has an addiction in their past that potentially they could still have it?
DR. DREW: 50 percent. About 50 percent.
HUTT: Maybe this is something she accidentally overdosed. We just do not know.
DR. DREW: That you got to worry. Or is it a mental health? It is so sad. She looked like a very vibrant person. Again, another reminder of how deep addiction and mental held for that matter. That is what kills young people. We do a pretty good job with the medical illnesses when somebody is young. I am a living proof of it. I had cancer and I am fine. You can do OK. The mental health stuff is taking people out. Last comment, Sam.
SCHACHER: I would say, you know what? She is also remembered to be a very kind, loving person and -- condolences to all her family.
DR. DREW: All right. Thank you, guys. Thanks, everyone, for watching. The Forensic Files is up right after us. In fact they will start right now.