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Jeb Bush: Repeal Obamacare; Obama, Holder Treated Differently?; Hillary Clinton Dodges Flying Shoe; Aussie PM: Location Narrowed "Within Kilometers"; Lawyer Wants Teen Tried As Juvenile;

Aired April 11, 2014 - 07:30   ET


NIA-MALIKA HENDERSON, "THE WASHINGTON POST": You gotta change something, and you gotta change the subject from talking about immigration and (ph) an act of love, right?

KING: Is that what that is? He said it's an act of love, you shouldn't think of it as a felony. Conservatives, you may not like me at immigration but I will repeal Obamacare?

MARGARET TALEV, "BLOOMBERG NEWS": You have to touch the base. You need to be against Obamacare if you're thinking of running as a Republican nominee.

HENDERSON: This is the only way for him to touch the base for him.

JOHN KING, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Interesting and somewhat difficult conversation. We've heard sometimes through the president's aides and now directly from the attorney general who thinks sometimes the treatment this administration gets from Republicans in Congress might have something to do with race.

Listen to Eric Holder here, the president's attorney general, like the president, an African-American. Eric Holder served in the Clinton administration, has a history with the Congress. Listen to him talking here to a progressive group in New York about how he believes he and the president are treated differently.


ERIC HOLDER, ATTORNEY GENERAL: Forget about me. You look at the way the attorney general of the United States was treated yesterday by a House Committee. Had nothing to do with me. Forget that. What attorney general has ever had to deal with that kind of treatment? What president has ever had to deal with that kind of treatment?


KING: Now, the House Speaker John Boehner says this has nothing to do with race. This has to do, he says, with Republican complaints that Eric Holder has not been fully forthcoming when they've asked for documents about "Fast and Furious" or when the administration and some other cases whether it's Benghazi or health care, the Republicans and then the Republicans go on and say that the administration plays the race card. It says, you're beating us up. Can we sort this one out or is this all in the eye of the beholder? HENDERSON: Beholder. Holder has always been pretty frank in his discussions about race. One of the first things he said was that this is a nation of cowards when it comes to talking about race. He hasn't really taken too kindly to the treatment that he's faced on the Hill. He's seen it as sign of disrespect. He was there preaching to the choir, a very progressive group. You will see the president there today talking about voting rights. They are gin up the base with this talk.

TALEV: What's been fascinating about this week is President Obama, I mean, since his campaign has tried to tread very lightly on race. In the span of three days now, three days, we've seen Nancy Pelosi talk about race, context of immigration. Eric Holder basically say that he's treated differently by Congress because of his race.

HENDERSON: Not about me though.

TALEV: And President Obama raising this issues of race at the LBJ. It's almost like too tempting to say, are they testing this as parallel tangent to the economic equality message? It's hard to imagine they will do that between now and November. But a little bit here and a little bit there.

HENDERSON: But he's going there and Obama will be there. I think the first lady is.

KING: We are very much listening to them as they go forward to see how much of this comes directly from the president and the first lady.

Let's move on. One of the key races of 2014 officially has its candidate. Scott Brown was the former Massachusetts senator. Now he wants to be senator from the state of New Hampshire. He's moved back there. He says he was born there. Look at the polling numbers. He was down 10 points to the incumbent Democrat, Jeanne Shaheen, in January. It's a six-point race now.

A lot of Republicans think this is proof maybe not that he's going to win, but they have another race, when they need six to get the Senate majority. But this proves that the map is still expanding for them, Margaret, that their odds are still getting better, right?

TALEV: I love when he says he was born there.

KING: I shouldn't say it that like that.

TALEV: A birth certificate. No, that's right. In fact, when you listen to the Republicans promoting him they're not saying like he is the world's greatest candidate or he's really a New Hampshire guy at heart.

HENDERSON: He is standing there in New Hampshire.

TALEV: It's all about beating Democrats for control of the Senate. They think that. They think that maybe Shaheen could be weaker by the drag-down effect of the other Democrats, anti-Democrat year. He's running as an outsider, the alternative to her and alternative to Obamacare. And he is grabbing a little bit closer in the polls.

KING: The biggest winner here is WMUR TV, the local TV station, which going to make a boatload of dimes on all the ads.

Before we go, Hillary Clinton has been on the road. She is giving a lot of speeches, a lot of people think she's testing things and getting her mojo back to run for office in 2016. One of the things you've got to do as a candidate is deal with criticism. Sometimes it's spoken. Sometimes it's hurled. Hillary Clinton in Nevada last night as a shoe thrown at her. Listen.


HILLARY CLINTON, FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE: What was that, a bat? Was that a bat? That's somebody throwing something at me? Is that part of Cirque De Soleil? My goodness, I didn't know solid waste management was so controversial. Thank goodness, she didn't play softball like I did.


KING: As we get back to the great folks in New York, very quickly, good reaction, right reaction?

HENDERSON: Pretty good reaction, my goodness. You know, yes, it was funny. Good reflexes.

TALEV: She nailed it and she ducked well.

KING: So you guys are debating this in New York last hour. You know, when George W. Bush faced this in Iraq, that shoe came from head on. Hillary Clinton thought it was a bat. She saw it out of the corner of her eye. A lot of people don't understand this, liberal or conservatives. I've known Secretary Clinton a long time from her days of first lady of Arkansas. She's actually a very funny woman.

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: The jokes are strong.

KATE BOLDUAN, CNN ANCHOR: The softball joke is hilarious.

CUOMO: Kate had a great physical part of that joke to go with it. What is the gesture that she should have made when she made the softball joke?

BOLDUAN: What do you mean?

CUOMO: The blowing up the spot move. Do it for John.

BOLDUAN: I'm not doing that. John?

CUOMO: She got very gangster when she said it. You would appreciate it.

BOLDUAN: John King knows probably because he's --

KING: I've been on the end of Ms. Bolduan's wrath before. CUOMO: Want to hear something funny? The lefties are saying that my comparing Hillary's ducking to Bush's ducking is false equivalency.


CUOMO: Because it was dark in the theater where she was and it was harder for her to duck. It was easier for Bush. So it's false equivalency.

BOLDUAN: How many more can you throw up?

KING: Stay away from people throwing things.

JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: Analysis of shoe throwing, you know?

BOLDUAN: Exactly.

BERMAN: Fair or unfair.

CUOMO: Why didn't she duck? It just shows.

BOLDUAN: She's that liberal. Thanks, John. Have a great weekend.

CUOMO: Come on, show them what you did.

BOLDUAN: I'm not showing.

CUOMO: I'll show.

BOLDUAN: I cannot believe --

CUOMO: When the softball joke was made, good thing she didn't play softball. Kate went like this.

BOLDUAN: This is why you cannot do anything off the record with him because he will tell everyone.

CUOMO: You know you liked it.

BOLDUAN: I'm tearing up right now.

CUOMO: We're going get back to the news that matters. We're going to zero in on Flight 370 because Australia's prime minister says he is confident those pings are from the missing plane. Why is he so confident? We'll take it apart with our own experts.

BOLDUAN: And the teen accused in that vicious Pittsburgh area stabbing spree is talking. What he revealed to his attorney just ahead.


BOLDUAN: Welcome back to NEW DAY. Breaking overnight, Australia's prime minister saying authorities are confident the pings are related to the Flight 370's black box. Let's dig deeper on this. How are they so confident? David Soucie is back with us, a CNN safety analyst and the author of "Why Planes Crash."

Let's start with what we know, David, because that's really the important thing of where we are. We know we have the arc, right?

DAVID SOUCIE, CNN SAFETY ANALYST: This is from the Inmarsat data, the fascinating math and science that they did to figure out this arc. So let's go back to what that is.

BOLDUAN: So we've got the arc. We've got the Inmarsat data. In addition to that, we have this is the "Ocean Shield's" path and how they've been searching for pings, right?

SOUCIE: Exactly. You notice this pattern here because the arc is -- give me a color. The arc was somewhat like that.

BOLDUAN: This shows that -- this shows why they started searching right about here.

SOUCIE: Yes. And that's also why they're so confident in what's going on because this is where they started. They ran up in here and then lo and behold what they found was some pings.

BOLDUAN: For a little bit of background before we move on, explain, because everyone thought that they were doing the path was this back and forth pattern. Why does it look like this in how they searched? There's a reason.

SOUCIE: There is a reason and you heard this mowing the lawn term. That has more to do with the underwater search.

BOLDUAN: Got it.

SOUCIE: This isn't mowing the lawn. If they did it would be a really scrappy lawn. So the ship is going around. What they're trying to do is look at this most probable locations. There's only about a six- mile radius on the ocean floor, which as you go up about 1,000 meters from that it's less than that. So you're only trying to find this five or six-mile primary signal from the beeper.

BOLDUAN: Let's add the pings. We've added in, right, exactly, clear out the arc.

SOUCIE: Put the arc back in somewhere.

BOLDUAN: We know they're confident because they have these pings.

SOUCIE: Right.

BOLDUAN: They come up on the arc.

SOUCIE: Correct.

BOLDUAN: What more do they need though? They've now narrowed it down. I was just looking at the most recent press release. Now searching an area that is much smaller than what we thought yesterday. They're looking at an area that is really focused on about 18 square miles.

SOUCIE: Right. You've got about 24 -- well, about 18 square miles this way.


SOUCIE: Between these pings. The first ping they got was a 2-hour journey here. So for two hours they were within somehow within that -- that reach of the pinger. These others are what I'm going to call outliers.

BOLDUAN: Why is there such a discrepancy, if you will, in the duration of the time? You think this is the most reliable, the two hours plus.

SOUCIE: Without a doubt.

BOLDUAN: But then what happened here?

SOUCIE: What happened down here is they're trying to rule out other areas because they're trying to say is this a false positive or is it real? And so they ran this. Then they said, let's verify it. Let's move around in this big 25-mile radius and see what else is going on in here. They picked this up. These are probably, most probably, reflections or refractions off that temperature layer that we talked about.

There's a temperature layer so that when this ping starts radiating out it hits the temperature layer and then it can come back down. So you've got these things. So now you're dragging your pinger through here, the TPL, and from here to here, maybe 7 minutes. From here to here, maybe it's 5 minutes.




SOUCIE: So you may not necessarily be -- I got a lot of lines going up there.

BOLDUAN: You do. You're going crazy. I don't know what to do with you. Let me ask you about, how does the fifth ping, the fifth ping that they do say was a false start. How does the fifth ping into this?


BOLDUAN: Is that a huge setback? Do we learn anything from it?

SOUCIE: Actually yes. Here's how. Remember all this is all about ruling out, not necessarily ruling in.




SOUCIE: So you're trying to figure out where it's not.

BOLDUAN: Testing theories and finding out where it's not maybe.

SOUCIE: Exactly. Exactly. So now this airplane flies over here and they drop these sonobuoys, 84 of them, I think it is, 84. They're all over the place. Give me a different color. So we've got all of these sonobuoys. This one picks something up. These are not designed to do this.

What they're designed to do is find a submarine underneath the water. When you drop these sonobuoys, if they hear something here, you're going to get a signal for this one, this one, and that one and immediately through triangulation they know there's a submarine there and they can come in and search and destroy that submarine. That's what they're designed to do.

A singular beacon here is saying there's noise here. Tuned it in as close as they can do that 37 kilohertz range and from that pick up a signal. All that does is say now let's get the ship over there and look. If you go to the marine tracker web site and look at where the ship went -- where is the end?

It came back down here at 7 knots until then this is 1.5 knots, 1.6 knots. Now it's 7 knots. Somebody said get down there because at 7 knots you can drag the sonobuoy, you're not going to pick anything up because the TPL is behind it. Sorry, not sonobuoy.

BOLDUAN: They found that they didn't have it.

SOUCIE: They came over there and ruled it out. So is that good or bad? What it says now is it's not over here. It's not over here.

BOLDUAN: So now they can at least start focusing somewhere.

SOUCIE: Now you look at this 2-hour run and this is looking more and more and more like that is the 3-mile area, 6-mile radius.

BOLDUAN: They say they're going to take a couple more days, as many days as needed to let the batteries run out on the ping because they want to see if they can get another ping somewhere in here to help them narrow it down even a little bit more.

SOUCIE: That's right.

BOLDUAN: David, thank you very much, helped me out -- Chris.

CUOMO: Kate, let's take a break here on NEW DAY. When we come back a teen accused of going on a stabbing spree at his school speaks out. His attorney reveals what was going on in his mind during the attack.

And we have a quick programming note for you. Anthony Bourdain is back. "PARTS UNKNOWN" returns this Sunday at 9/.m in the premier, he heads to india where he takes a real white-knuckle ride up the Himalayas. Take a look.


ANTHONY BOURDAIN, HOST, CNN'S "PARTS UNKNOWN": Twisting up further into the Himalayas I find myself at a place known as the "Land of the Gods." Nearly every village credited with having its own deity. Getting there you might well have an opportunity to meet one of those deities.

As you tear around narrow guardrail-free mountain roads, overlooking terrifying dropoffs. I could do heights like I've done jumping out of planes thing a number of times. But I feel it, you know, looking over that one, I feel uneasy. You know, like my knees could vomit with terror, they would be. They would be vomiting with terror right now. They should have little underwear stops on this road, you know, where you could like get a fresh pair. Every couple of miles, that's scary.


CUOMO: Welcome back to NEW DAY. Why would a student with no obvious signs of trouble slash or stab 21 people at his high school? We're learning about what the accused has to say now. We're learning more about the heroes of that terrible day as well. Miguel Marquez is live covering the story for us. Miguel, what do we know now?

MIGUEL MARQUEZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, according to the lawyer for this young man, the 16-year-old, he says, look, this is not a random attack -- this was a random attack. He didn't target any individuals specifically and this as we are learning in ways big and small the heroes who saved the day.


MARQUEZ (voice-over): The 16-year-old Brett Hurt recovering from a knife wound to his back and a bruised lung now speaking out.

BRETT HURT, STABBING VICTIM: What was going through my mind, will I survive or will I die? Gracie saved my life.

MARQUEZ: That would be Gracie Evans, a junior here at Franklin Regional and a friend who wouldn't leave his side.

GRACEY EVANS: My best friend jumps in front of me and takes the knife for me. I started putting pressure on the wound to stop the bleeding or another hero, William Yakshe, everybody calls him Buzz. He helped subdue the 16-year-old Alex Hribal.

WILLIAM "BUZZ" YAKSHE, SCHOOL POLICE OFFICER: These kids are like my kids.

MARQUEZ: Hribal's lawyer, Patrick Thomassey, spent hours speaking to his clients about what happened.

PATRICK THOMASSEY, ALEX HRIBAL ATTORNEY: He knows he's in a world of stuff right now and how serious it is and he can't believe he did this. MARQUEZ: Hribal, he says, remembers everything.

THOMASSEY: Of course, he remembers doing it. He did it. This is not a who done it. This is a question of why?

MARQUEZ: Saying Hribal targeted no one specifically his lawyer hinted bullying and more may be at the heart what drove this 100-pound, 5'2" hockey-loving kid to unfathomable rage.

THOMASSEY: I don't want to comment specifically right now, but I think there are some things that have occurred that led to where we are today.

MARQUEZ: Hribal says his lawyer called in no threats prior to the attack despite rumors and will fight to have the 16-year-old who has been charged as an adult tried as a juvenile.


MARQUEZ: Now he also says this young man is remorseful, very remorseful, remembers everything that happened on that day. Says that he will call in mental health experts in order to evaluate him. The entire thrust of his efforts at the moment will be to have this case tried at the juvenile level. Chris and Kate, back to you.

BOLDUAN: And for that community, hopefully they can focus, trying to get back to some sort of normalcy and begin to recover. That's where the focus can be. Miguel, thank you very, very much. So difficult to even see it and talk about it.

Coming up next on NEW DAY, Australian officials say they are very confident, their words, that they're close to narrowing in on Flight 370's location. What makes them so confident? Our experts are going to weigh in.

CUOMO: And 10 people are dead, dozens more injured after a fiery head-on crash. What caused a FedEx crush to cross the center line and slam into a bus full of high school students? We'll take you to California for the latest.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are confident that we know the position of the black box flight recorder.


CUOMO: Breaking news, Australia's prime minister with the strongest words yet saying they've narrowed down the area of the black box to within miles. So why aren't they searching for wreckage?

BOLDUAN: Breaking overnight, tragedy on the highway. Ten killed, many of them teenagers as a FedEx truck collides with a bus. The scene, terrifying. We're going to hear from those who survived. CUOMO: Stepping down. The woman who oversaw the Obamacare rollout is leaving the White House. Kathleen Sebelius has resigned. New details on who will replace her. Your NEW DAY continues right now.

BOLDUAN: Good morning and welcome once again to NEW DAY. It's Friday, April 11th, 8:00 in the east. Search teams may be close to a breakthrough in the hunt for Flight 370. Australia's prime minister saying they are, quote/unquote, "very confident the signals picked up over the last are from the plane."