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New Poll Shows Americans Thoughts On Flight 370; North Carolina: GOP Establishment Wins; Can Clay Aiken Avoid Runoff?; Video Show Teen Climbing Out Of Wheel Well; Stars Protest Beverly Hills Hotel Owner
Aired May 7, 2014 - 07:30 ET
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MICHAELA PEREIRA, CNN ANCHOR: Here at home interesting new results of a CNN/ORC poll shows a majority of American, 69 percent, say the hunt for the missing plane should continue, 51 percent believe the jetliner is in the Indian Ocean while 46 percent believe it is somewhere else. When asked if we will ever know what happened to Flight 370, 52 percent said yes while 46 percent believe it will always remain a mystery. Always remain a mystery or we'll find it?
CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: No.
PEREIRA: You think it will be found?
KATE BOLDUAN, CNN ANCHOR: We will know what happened to it, not we. When I mean we, the collective, smart people actually investigating it.
CUOMO: Maybe we. You never know.
CUOMO: Maybe the media undertakes a project with salvage people and they find it.
BOLDUAN: Let's not go there yet.
CUOMO: "Titanic" wasn't found by the government. Next subject, "Inside Politics" on NEW DAY with John King. John, see how I won that one?
JOHN KING, HOST, CNN'S "INSIDE POLITICS": You did win it. When you win, move on. That's the best way.
BOLDUAN: There's the advice he can never understand.
CUOMO: Let the pain set?
KING: Turning the page. All right, a busy day inside politics. Back to you guys in a minute. This morning, we begin with a big establishment win, GOP establishment win in North Carolina, in a big Senate race you might not think it matters to you but it does. Let's explain. With me to share their reporting and their insights, Robert Costa of the "Washington Post." On the ground in North Carolina this morning CNN's Peter Hamby. Here's why this matters, Republicans need a net gain of six Senate seats to take control of the Senate. They are likely to keep control of the House. The GOP establishment candidate was the State House speaker. His name is Thom Tillis. Look at the vote board here. He needed to get above 40 percent to avoid a runoff.
All those other challenges, those two you see on the board and a couple others inspired by the Tea Party and grass roots base. Peter Hamby, the establishment spent a lot of money to try to keep Thom Tillis above 40 percent. Now he can turn his attention on the vulnerable Democratic incumbent, Kay Hagan. How important is this in the establishment Tea Party war. We've watched play out in recent years?
PETER HAMBY, CNN NATIONAL POLITICAL REPORTER: Well, I think it's very important for the establishment. I mean, it's a sort of a flawed frame to say that this is a classic establishment versus Tea Party narrative. There is two sort of grass roots backed candidates, Greg Brannon and Mark Harris, didn't have a lot of money. They struggled to get their message out.
And Tillis coasted in the end, but he did have the help of outside groups of more than $2 million from the Chamber of Commerce and American cross roads helped prop him up. He actually gave credit to those outside groups for providing him air cover, in his words, that's what he told reporters last night, John, after his victory speech. So this is big for them. They avoid a big headache.
Democrats really wanted a 2-1/2-month Republican owned, Republican primary that would drag on, be expensive and possibly hurt the Republican Party. This is a big early win for the establishment as they look to retake the Senate -- John.
KING: That early win in an important race, Robert Costa, and the establishment will feel emboldened. The chamber is going in ten House districts this week where you have establishment candidates versus grass roots or Tea Party candidates. We have the next big ones coming up. Mitch McConnell, the Senate Republican leader, he wants to be the Senate majority leader if they get that plus six. He has a primary in two weeks.
Then Ted Cochran, veteran Mississippi senator, he is being challenged by a Tea Party candidate. At this point does it look like the establishment will have a sweep that Mitch McConnell will get his dream of, quote, "crushing the Tea Party?"
ROBERT COSTA, "THE WASHINGTON POST": It looks like it, John. I think McConnell is poised to win. So is Ted Cochran in Mississippi. It comes down to the same issue in North Carolina. Quality of candidate, when you look at Matt Bevin who is running against McConnell and Chris McDaniel running against Cochran, these aren't type a, top flight candidates. They are not running great races. They don't have a lot of money. If you want to beat the establishment, you better come with some heft.
KING: In your piece this morning in the "Washington Post," Robert, you quote the former RNC Chairman Michael Steele saying this is great, but you better not rub the base's nose in it. Peter Hamby, you've been on the ground down there where Rand Paul came in late and campaigned for one of those Tea Party candidate who lost. How much is there a risk there will be bad blood lingering within Republican voters and maybe some only take a tiny percentage don't play in November?
HAMBY: Yes, look, Rand Paul came in down here on Monday. He endorsed Greg Brannon, did a rally at the NASCAR hall of fame up the street here. A lot of people questioned why he did this because Rand Paul has spent two years cozying up to the Republican establishment and Republicans in Washington were wondering why would he go down here and possibly push Republicans into a runoff? There are questions about his judgment and his decision making there.
But Rand Paul did come out immediately after Tillis secured the nomination and put out a statement on Facebook saying it's time for North Carolina to unite. This is important because this is a big win for the establishment. Tillis got 45 percent but the flip side of that is that 55 percent of the Republicans voted against Thom Tillis.
And a pretty hard core part of the base did, too so it's important for Rand Paul, it was smart of him I think to come out and do that pretty quickly right after the results came in and the race was called last night -- John.
KING: Important for the establishment not to gloat. One more North Carolina footnote before we move on. If you an "American Idol" fan as Kate noted a little bit ago Clay Aiken was on the ballot there in a congressional primary. He needs 40 percent to avoid a runoff. He's above 40 percent as we speak this morning, but there are still have some absentee ballots to call. But listen, he wishes we did things a little differently.
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CLAY AIKEN (D), CONGRESSIONAL CANDIDATE: I said a little bit earlier tonight that I sort of prefer it when they just open the envelope and tell you who won.
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KING: He sort of prefers that. We'll keep an eye on that race and see what the absentees tell us. Keep watching on CNN or cnn.com/politics. Something else to look out for today, President Obama will be in Arkansas. That's another big state with a vulnerable Democratic incumbent. He'll be side by side with Mark Pryor. No, this is not an official campaign event.
But Mark Pryor did invite the president to come down to Arkansas to view some tornado damage. Watch this one and how it plays out. Again, Mark Pryor has distanced himself from the president on Obamacare, distanced himself and have been critical of the president on energy policy.
Watch the two of them together in the state of Arkansas this afternoon. They will watch that in the campaign. They'll see the voter reaction. It could be a test of whether the president might get an invitation back later in the campaign year but don't count on it.
Let's move on now to Hillary Clinton. Everyone assumes the former secretary of state is running for president in 2016. If so, gun control will be a big issue in some states. Listen to Hillary Clinton yesterday in suburban Washington.
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HILLARY CLINTON, FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE: I think that we've got to rein in what has become almost article of faith that anybody can have a gun anywhere any time.
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KING: Robert Costa, she's talking in the context of mental health. We should be extra careful. People who might have mental health issues have guns. I think we've got to rein in what has become an article of faith. Anyone can have a gun. I can see that playing in Southern Ohio, I can see that playing in Florida, I can see that playing in Colorado, I can see it where Mr Hamby is on the ground in North Carolina today. Is it a calculation that is less of an issue?
COSTA: Maybe, maybe not, maybe she's speaking to a different area of the country, maybe she is speaking to the Philadelphia suburbs, the people who vote Pat Toomey into the U.S. Senate who applaud the gun control in the Senate background checks. I think Hillary knows as Secretary Clinton know she moves a little bit left ahead of the 2016 race, she still wants to win the suburban voters she won so well in 2008.
KING: Peter, to the point where you are in North Carolina, how would that play and I'll say this, you know, candidates, I'm all for candidate speaking their mind and being very clear on the issues as opposed to being vague and trying to duck them. At least she's speaking on the record there.
HAMBY: That's right. I think what struck me about this was having covered Hillary Clinton in the 2008 Democratic primary when she was really fighting from behind and sort of adopting that blue collar working class mantel. She talked a lot about how important guns are in the American fabric, in our culture. To me this was a pretty big rhetorical distance from that time.
But again, a lot has changed since then. We've had several mass shootings including the one in Newtown. The policy of guns have shifted. In some competitive states there are pockets where guns are important and this is going to be something of an issue for her, I think.
KING: I want to get both of your thoughts on something that everybody in Washington is talking about. Monica Lewinsky wrote an essay in "Vanity Fair" essentially saying she wants to move on talking about the scandal in the Clinton White House 16 years ago. The value of a Robert Costa and Peter Hamby, two young political reporters who get out in the country and talk to people.
Peter, let me start with you quickly. It was primary day in North Carolina yesterday. Were people in politics talking about this?
HAMBY: Actually, it's interesting. Last night another reporter friend and I were filing at the hotel bar where Thom Tillis had his event and a couple of women overheard that we are a political reporters and asked what's the deal with this Monica Lewinsky story, is there a book or something? That is not data journalism, but maybe it's something that can seep out into the political consciousness a little bit.
As this relates to 2016, who knows how important it's going to be. But any day that the Clintons are not talking about their own message on the campaign trail is probably a day lost. I think that's something that could be an impact with stories like this moving forward.
KING: I got the sense more pop culture than politics?
COSTA: I think so. I think you see someone like Rand Paul, he is trying to bring up the Clinton history and there's a little bit of Clinton nostalgia out there in Democratic ranks. But this Monica story I think feeds into a lot of Republican apprehension about Hillary Clinton race and I think Republicans are going to run against that hard into 2016, if she'd be the nominee.
KING: Robert Costa, Peter Hamby, thank you. Back to you guys in New York. It is something everyone here is talking about. I don't see -- I'm a big skeptic about whether there's political impact. I think people are talking about this, some are still fascinated by the drama, but I don't see a political impact.
BOLDUAN: I think it's any political impact I might be getting too far ahead of this is, I think it will be backlash if people try to make it a political issue if Hillary runs. I think there is backlash for anyone who really tries to take it on any Republican who wants to make it an issue with her.
CUOMO: Yes. I think Kate is straight on about it, John. You, too. You know, look, she was the first. We see so many of these scandals now. But look at the current context, I think Lewinsky has a great case that he was demonized and deserves a chance to live her life. So I don't know how it will be relevant and I agree with Kate about the backlash thing.
BOLDUAN: See, full stop. Let's move on.
KING: You guys both agree. That's breaking news.
BOLDUAN: Couldn't have said it better myself, John. Thank you.
Coming up next on NEW DAY, he flew from California to Hawaii in the wheel well of a Boeing 767 and somehow survived. Now we're getting a first look at the teenager, at the teenage stowaway as he emerged from the belly of the plane. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BOLDUAN: Welcome back to NEW DAY. We're now seeing the first security footage of that teenager who stowed away in the wheel well of a Boeing 767 during a flight last month. You can see him climbing out of the plane and walking unsteadily on the tarmac. He somehow survived the five-hour flight from California to Hawaii despite very little oxygen and facing subzero temperatures.
Let's bring in David Soucie, CNN safety analyst and a former FAA inspector to talk about all of -- to talk about all of this and to break it down. So David, I mean, I want to get your take first. Let's play through it and we can pause and discuss. I want to get your take.
I've done this three times now. You would think I know how to work my magic wall. We're going to highlight. You can see his feet dangling and jumps out of the belly of the plane.
DAVID SOUCIE, CNN SAFETY ANALYST: That's a far drop.
BOLDUAN: It is a far drop. He is a young kid. He's supposedly agile, but also just survived a 5 1/2-hour flight in subzero temperatures. Continue it. You see him drop out. So let's pause it there because I do want to get your take if you think this fits with the story line we've been told so far by investigators what they think happened.
SOUCIE: Yes. Well, it definitely does. There is no place else he could have come from. There is no access from there into the aircraft. As a safety investigator, this is the best possible outcome you can imagine because it exposes all kinds of vulnerabilities in the system without anyone having a fatality.
BOLDUAN: This video, this is just one vantage point obviously, one camera angle. Does this video expose any vulnerabilities here?
SOUCIE: Other than he's walking around a long time without anybody approaching him. Typically, I've spent a lot of time on the ramp looking at airplanes from underneath here and when you're out there someone approaches you all the time. If I go out in my suit and tie as an FAA inspector, they come over and check your badge. There maybe it's looser because of the fact that it's, I don't know, it's a little bit more accessible out there.
BOLDUAN: He does walk around quite a bit. You see that he doesn't -- he doesn't --
SOUCIE: Technical difficulties.
BOLDUAN: It's the anchor. Not anything else. Here we go. Let's continue this so we can see him. See him walking around and see him more than walking around. Stumbling around. He's disoriented. That, we can understand at the very least he would be. Does this tell you anything more about how he survived this? SOUCIE: Well, obviously there's oxygen deprivation. He's not thinking straight, 35,000 feet or 30,000 feet for that period of time, I am really surprised he survived. The temperature thing though, there's a good explanation for that.
BOLDUAN: The temperature of how he survived subzero temperatures?
SOUCIE: Exactly. It's 40, 50, 60 degrees below zero at times. These aircraft are designed, even this is Hawaii and warm air, they are designed to stay warm in that wheel well. As the wheels come up, imagine if it landed in Colorado you don't want that snow and ice up there freezing it 50 below because it may not come back out right. You have to add heat in there. There's a tube that goes from the heat exchanger here that comes out to the aircraft to start the engines. So that air is going through there at very high temperatures. So the temperature stays warm in there as well.
BOLDUAN: Is this when you would expect someone to come up and talk to him. We don't show you in this video but in another part of the video he ends up walking himself up to one of the workers on the tarmac.
SOUCIE: Right. Here's the thing, as the aircraft is taxiing in, there is somebody is guiding that airplane in. There are people there. Understand the baggage people are not there yet. There's someone out there guiding this airplane and you have wing tip spotters, you have people guiding it into the front. Where are those people?
BOLDUAN: The only thing I guess could be an explanation is that -- I remember that they said that it was about an hour after the plane had landed that he ended up jumping out.
SOUCIE: Was it that long?
BOLDUAN: That's what they had believed at least at one point.
SOUCIE: That's a better explanation.
BOLDUAN: Why someone might not be around the plane. In the end this fits with what investigators say happened.
BOLDUAN: It answers the questions and puts away kind of some of the skepticism that he actually did ride in the belly of the plane.
SOUCIE: Yes. It would have been easily missed by the pilot walking around in the first part because there's an inner door. And you drop that inner door to do the pre-flight inspection. In this case, the inside door was up. You wouldn't have been able to see if someone was in there or not.
BOLDUAN: Thankfully it doesn't happen very often. Not entirely likely any kind of pre-flight check policies are going to change because of it.
SOUCIE: There is. They will start opening those doors now, I guarantee it.
BOLDUAN: So we'll see that. David Soucie, thank you -- Chris.
CUOMO: All right, Kate, coming up on NEW DAY, what does killing people for being gay have to do with the Beverly Hills Hotel? Real life drama as Hollywood comes out in force against a hotel owner. The story, ahead.
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JAY LENO: This is not something that's debatable. It's people being stoned to death. Hello!
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CUOMO: That's Jay Leno, obviously. He's got some time on his hands. He joined up with a lot of Hollywood in telling the owner of the Beverly Hills Hotel he's got to go. Why? The owner is the sultan of Brunei. You may have heard of him. His country implemented Islamic Sharia law. It's a very traditional and harsh form of law that includes punishments like flogging, dismemberment and death for a lot of things.
Stoning for crimes such as adultery and homosexuality. Very offensive to many people outside of there. Overnight the Beverly Hills City Council passed a resolution calling for action but stopped short of an all-out boycott.
Here to discuss is CNN political commentator, Paul Begala. Mr. Begala, good to have you on the show as always. I must admit, I find no confusion in rejecting Sharia law. I am somewhat confused about this current pop-up around the Beverly Hills Hotel. Explain.
PAUL BEGALA, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: It's an iconic building. It's an iconic hotel. I think one of Elizabeth Taylor's eight honeymoons began in that hotel. I've stayed there. I'm sure you have. All the big shots have. We just finished here in Washington the correspondents dinner where all the Hollywood people come and hang out. It's a mess.
This is Hollywood at its best. This is Hollywood doing what perhaps some in Washington should be doing, which is calling attention to a potential, almost certain human rights violations. Sharia law is only now being implemented. It's supposed to start tomorrow. It's going to be phased in over a number of years. God bless Jay Leno and hurray to Hollywood for calling attention to this.
CUOMO: I'll take the other side. First of all, don't throw me in with that hoity-toity group. I'm lucky if I'm in a Motel 6. I'm not staying at the Beverly Hills Hotel. Jay Leno says, hello, Sharia law has been in place in a lot of places for a long time. Plenty of places to protest, if you're just waking up to it, that's fine. They jump out of the back door and jump out of the Bentley, going to protest at the Beverly Hills Hotel. Isn't there a more direct approach?
BEGALA: That's a very good point, very valid point. The truth is, we do, the United States of America does and frankly has to do business with lots of countries that practice Sharia law and have for years. Saudi Arabia, Qatar. My goodness, we liberated Iraq and Iraq is imposing forms of sharia law there after we sacrificed 4,500 of our heroes. It's very complicated and there's always charges of hypocrisy.
Still it's a good thing when citizens of conscience stand up. It happens to be in their neighborhood of Beverly Hills. This is important to call attention to. We're talking about it. We're covering it. The fact that we still in the 21st Century live in a world where people can be stoned for being gay is just astonishing. I think it's great they're raising attention.
CUOMO: Right. The question becomes the focus of the attention. The hotel manager makes an interesting point. Yes, the sultan's development company may own it, but you're only hurting the employees here who are regular Americans by protesting in front of the hotel. If you want to pick a fight, pick a fight with the big boys. Fight with the United States government because we do business with the sultan of Brunei. The current administration considers the sultan a friend. Does it not, Mr. Begala?
BEGALA: Yes, sir. I believe President Obama has used that word, friend, about the sultan of Brunei. I would suggest -- you make a good point about the employees of that hotel. I think this is about drawing attention rather than trying to get him to shut down the hotel or something. If you want to draw attention, Mr. Leno who has 300 cars ought to be protesting next at Shell gas station.
Shell Oil Company is in business with the sultan of Brunei. The sultan didn't become one of the richest men in the world by owning hotels. He did it because his tiny nation sits on an ocean of oil. That oil is produced in partnership with Shell. If you wanted to really turn up the heat, jay should take 300 of his cars down to the Shell gas stations in Hollywood and raise attention there. That's really the source of the sultan as well.
CUOMO: That's a good point, too. You said I made a good point. I'll say you made a good point. There's something about this.
BEGALA: Once in a blue moon.
CUOMO: Sharia law is something you want to be against. Whatever you want to say about forms of injustice, this is something that's completely beyond the pale of anything that's decent. Something about the nature of this protest, while it is good to bring attention, that bothers me about it. I can't put my finger on it. I it's something about Beverly Hills. I feel like they're not trying hard enough to protest. It's a good start.
BEGALA: They're starting somewhere. They're starting in their own back yard. It's a great sacrifice to not have to be able to eat cob salad at the polo lounge. CUOMO: I wouldn't know anything about that. That's about you hoity- toity, Begala.
BEGALA: See you at the Motel 6.
CUOMO: That's why they brought you in for this segment.
I'm going to start calling you Tony Begala. Paul, thank you for your perspective as always.
BOLDUAN: Neither of you are invited to the Motel 6 anymore.
Coming up next on NEW DAY, the desperate search for the Nigerian school girls stolen by terrorists. More kidnappings reported this morning. Can the United States help save the girls? We'll hear from the State Department live.