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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL

The Draft-Day Kiss Seen Round the World; Is Mouthy Mom Crazy?; Jay-Z Attacked?; Deadly Shooting Caught on Tape

Aired May 12, 2014 - 19:00:00   ET

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The true satisfaction is basically getting this animal off the streets.

JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST: Tonight, trending No. 1. Shocking new surveillance video of what appears to be Beyonce`s little sister, Solange, violently attacking Beyonce`s husband, Jay-Z, in a hotel elevator. You won`t believe it.

Plus, breaking news in the Shaky Mom murder trial. The defense spills horrifying details about Julie Schenecker being molested as a child. But what does that have to do with her executing her two supposedly mouthy kids?

And then stunning video, really gut-wrenching and upsetting, of cops shooting and killing a man. His family insists he did not have to die. The horrific standoff caught on tape. You will see and hear the chilling footage in a bit.

But first, the kiss that`s gone viral, seen round the world. Michael Sam kissed his boyfriend after hearing he`d been drafted into the NFL. Now blistering backlash. And that has triggered its own uproar.

Michael Sam made history Saturday, becoming the first openly gay man drafted by an NFL team. But it was the kiss he shared with his boyfriend that immediately stole the spotlight and the headlines.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The 249th pick of the 2014 NFL draft.

MICHAEL SAM, DRAFTED TO ST. LOUIS RAMS: I`ve been in locker rooms where all kinds of slurs have been said.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The St. Louis Rams select Michael Sam.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The first openly gay drafted player by the NFL kissed his boyfriend, sparking some hateful tweets.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Jones now apologizing for what he calls inappropriate comments.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Some guys are not going to accept that there is a gay player in their locker room.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In the center of an online firestorm.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How open-minded are these hard-core religious football players?

(END VIDEOTAPE)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Good evening, I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell, joining you live. Thanks for joining us.

Tonight reactions to "the kiss" caught fire on Twitter. Some positive, some downright nasty, like Dolphins player, Don Jones. He tweeted, "O-M-G! Horrible!"

The Dolphins wasted no time fining Jones, barring him from all team activities while he undergoes sensitivity training.

Former Houston Texas player Derrick Ward called the kiss "disgusting." He tweeted, "Man, you`ve got little kids looking at the draft. I can`t believe ESPN even allowed that to happen."

Ward says he is not backing down from what he said, even though he claims he and his children have gotten death threats.

Now you know what draft-day celebrations garnered zero attention? These heterosexual players kissing their girlfriends or wives. So what do you think? Call me: 1-877-JVM-SAYS, 1-877-586-7297.

We have a fantastic and feisty Lion`s Den panel ready to hash it out. I want to start with a former NFL linebacker, Dhani Jones. So great to have you on tonight.

Are these tweets against Michael Sam a form of discrimination and bigotry?

DHANI JONES, FORMER NFL LINEBACKER: Oh, absolutely. I mean, you cannot, as a player or as a person in this day and age, have that type of attitude. I mean, we live in a world where we`re trying to bring people together, and that`s just splintering people apart. And it`s splintering the locker rooms and the success of these teams.

So when that type of things happen, I mean, that`s only detracting from the game, not adding to the game.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jay Thomas, it`s distracting from the game. It really turns what should be a joyous event into something now that`s controversial.

You know why he`s crying? He`s crying from relief that him coming out a couple months ago did not affect his ability to be drafted into the NFL. A huge sigh of relief: "Oh, my gosh, the sky didn`t fall down on me. I can be myself and still play football professionally."

JAY THOMAS, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: He`s going to be in for a rough season. Yes, I mean, he`s in for a rough season.

And Dhani, I think you are the upper 1 percent of the intelligence quotient of any football, baseball, basketball players. And you`ve got to admit it, man: 90 percent of the guys in the locker room are guys that are just there to play football. They went to football factories. They`re bought and paid for out of high school. These are not diversity-trained individuals. Let`s stop pretending.

JONES: And I would definitely -- I would definitely disagree with what you`re saying. Because I think that the trajectory of the players now have changed. I think that the sensitivity has changed. I think that people are more open.

I mean, you have Arkansas passing laws against banning against gay marriage and it`s now allowed in the south. So I think that as you think about the way that we have progressed as people in terms of LGBT community, acceptance, even within the locker room, I`ve heard, and I`ve even talked to players that said, you know, "We`d be OK, because our first and foremost mission is to win football games."

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Look...

THOMAS: Well, let me tell you what...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: You know, if you`re heterosexual...

THOMAS: Arkansas -- Arkansas now, the governor is trying to overthrow the state supreme court`s...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh, please.

THOMAS: But they are. They are.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let me give you the big picture.

THOMAS: It`s the SEC. It`s the SEC.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Whether you`re a heterosexual TV host standing up and saying "I`m straight," but as many of you already know, I`m gay. And I want to show a picture of me and my partner Donna. And we`ll show that in a second. There it is. There is a picture of us.

I`ve noticed extraordinary changes, personally, since I came out during a ratings show in 2007. And the climate is radically different than when Ellen DeGeneres was on the cover of "TIME" magazine with the headline, "Yep, I`m Gay" back in 1997. And this woman broke down so many barriers.

Look, just the other day, "GMA`s" Robin Roberts came out. The world has changed. "Don`t ask, don`t tell" is gone. Polls show most Americans now support gay marriage. Today the president congratulated Michael Sam.

So Clay Cane, you`re an openly gay man, BET.com entertainment editor, still despite all of that that I`ve said, there is still this pressure out there.

CLAY CANE, BET.COM ENTERTAINMENT EDITOR: Definitely. I think what an important point is, is that people are somewhat OK with somebody coming out. But then seeing their relationship, seeing them in love, seeing two people kissing when someone just made NFL history, that freaks them out.

It`s this idea that LGBT people, they`re not going to have relationships. That`s being too visible for us. I think it`s important for folks to be as visible and have as much freedom as possible.

And let`s be honest here. Michael Sam, he is a good guy. He`s a great player. Look at the history of the NFL. You know, he hasn`t beat anybody up. He doesn`t have any mug shots. He is a great player who didn`t get drafted until he was the 249th pick. So the emotions that you see, they`re authentic and they`re real.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes.

CANE: And I`m sure he can handle a locker room.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But -- but Wendy Murphy, former prosecutor, Jay Thomas is suggesting that all the niceties are really surface, and that the nasty tweets are what he`s really going to encounter in the locker room.

WENDY MURPHY, FORMER PROSECUTOR: Yes.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And Jay, it sounds like you`re saying, "Well, as long as somebody can play football, I don`t care what they think." And I disagree with that. But I`d like to get Wendy Murphy`s take.

MURPHY: Well, I think he`s right on a very basic level that there are feelings beneath the surface that partly because of political correctness people aren`t expressing, but they really do feel it, because there is still tremendous discrimination against gays in this country, especially in a hyper masculine environment in the NFL. Are you kidding me? That is where manliness gets blown out of proportion. And you`re not supposed to be gay, where the super men show up to play rough football.

But what I love about this is, it`s a real challenge to stereotypes that will probably make the NFL a more popular place for people to go, like me. Suddenly I want to go watch football, because...

JONES: I know.

MURPHY: ... I feel so good about this happening. And it`s not -- look, most people -- most guys who are homophobic, they go, "Ooh, God, O-M-G, this is so freaky. Creepy," because they think they`re going to get raped in the locker room.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh, please, no. They don`t think they`re going to get raped in the locker room. I`ll tell you.

MURPHY: No, I`m saying -- I`m saying...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And I`m not making reference to any of the people who tweeted here. But hypothetically, if you ask a psychiatrist...

MURPHY: It`s a prejudice...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: What they say is, people who have intensely negative reactions...

THOMAS: OK. I get it. It`s over.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: ... are really trying to suppress their own feelings that are confused about this issue, if you know what I mean, Clay Cane.

CANE: Exactly. Can I just add really quick, the idea that Michael Sam, who`s been black and gay all of his life, can`t handle the locker room does a disservice to him. He`s a strong guy. I`m sure he`s experienced homophobia, racism. He can handle the locker room. The idea that he can`t is really weakening him, his personality. I`m sure he can deal with it.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Let`s go to the phone lines. Kent, Utah.

JONES: Let me ask you. They said -- they said while he was in school...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let`s get this caller in and then we`ll continue our conversation. Kent, are you there?

CALLER: Yes.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: What have you got to say, Kent?

CALLER: I think it`s now great that they accepted a football player in the NFL like that. And what they showed on TV, I think that`s great, too.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So you don`t have a problem with it.

CALLER: No, I don`t.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, maybe we should show the kiss again. I want to ask a very Provocative question. There are two huge stories in the news about bias right now. Michael Sam`s historic draft selection comes on the heels, of course, of the scandal surrounding Clippers` owner Donald Sterling and the racially offensive comments he made on those infamous audiotapes. We`re going to compare the two in a second. We`re going to continue this in a second.

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DONALD STERLING, L.A. CLIPPERS OWNER: Yes, it bothers me a lot, the fact that you want to broadcast that you`re associating with black people. Do you have to?

V. STIVIANO, STERLING`S GIRLFRIEND: You associate with black people.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: By the way, don`t miss Anderson Cooper`s exclusive sit- down with Donald Sterling on CNN tonight at 8.

But I want to go back to Lion`s Den. Dhani Jones, what`s the difference between Donald Sterling`s hate speech and these tweets calling Michael Sam`s kiss horrible and disgusting? One is prejudice based on race; the other is prejudiced based on sexual orientation. Aren`t they equally bad?

JONES: Yes, but it`s all hate. It`s all hate. Hate, hate. I think that`s -- that`s the name of what we`re exactly talking about right now is how people have not necessarily progressed in this world. How they will show their bigotry towards people, and also a large amount of their ignorance.

And when you have an owner of a team with a predominantly black team playing for you, allowing your team to get better and for you to make more money, having that attitude, you should be punished accordingly.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let me -- let me point something out, though. I want to point out that the players who were tweeting negative things about Michael Sam happened to be African-American. Is that a factor that needs to be considered? Clay Cane, you are an openly guy African-American man.

CANE: Yes, you know what, listen, I have been called the "N" word a billion times, and I`ve been called the "F" word a billion times. There is certainly discussion as far as homophobia in the African-American community.

And -- but the bigger issue here is someone like Don Jones needs to realize, who is tweeting, is that you`re at work. Just like any other American out there working, you have to respect people. If there is sexism, racism, homophobia, you`ve got to respect people. And if you don`t, you might get fined; you might get fired.

You`ve seen folks who have lost their jobs working at McDonald`s for bad tweeting on Twitter. So you really have to be aware of that. And it is another big conversation as far as homophobia in the African-American community. But all communities have homophobia.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I believe that, you know, unfortunately, hatred, bias, bigotry, is something that can be part of the human condition that we really need to eradicate. And the way we do it is by looking at it and seeing the insecurity, the fears underlying it.

And I don`t know what exactly there is to fear about an openly gay player in the NFL, in the locker room. These men have nothing to fear. Why did these men express fear? Or disgust? We`re going to continue to debate it on the other side.

And later, a man dies in a hail of gunfire after a really, really gut- wrenching confrontation with police spirals totally out of control. And now the victim`s family wants the world to see the video, which they had.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Drop the gun! Drop the gun! Drop the gun!

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(COMMERCIAL BREAK) (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SAM: On the night of my announcement that week, I`ve gotten so many e- mails, so many text messages from my college and NFL players and other athletes in the sport industry about how courageous I was, that themselves are closeted homosexuals. So, yes, I`m not the only one. There`s a lot of us.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: That`s from ABC. Michael Sam, the first openly gay player drafted into the NFL. But certainly not, I would say, the first gay player. There are probably people in the closet who are in the NFL. He just alluded to that.

Jay Thomas, Sirius XM radio host. I get the impression from you that you don`t -- you`re not really upset about these tweets that called his kiss, which we`re going to show again, disgusting.

THOMAS: Yes.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: You just care whether people can play football or not. Is that really the only criteria in life?

THOMAS: At the end of the day, I believe that to be true. As a NFL fan and as a guy that bets constantly, I just want you to win football games. I don`t care if you`ve got six wives and live in Provo, Utah. I don`t care.

By the way, Jeff Fisher, the head coach of St. Louis -- Dhani, maybe you can speak to this. Do you not think he went to his team leaders and said, "Look, we`re going to draft this guy. What do you think? What do you think of that?" I like him for doing this. I think he must have talked to his players.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I don`t care about what. What I care about was my question to you, and I`d like to have our panels weigh in on it. Jay Thomas is saying he doesn`t really care what somebody believes, as long as they play good football. And I don`t think that`s the criteria.

JONES: Yes. Yes, that`s the most -- but that`s the most important thing when it comes to the game of football.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: You`ve got somebody who`s a Nazi playing football, that doesn`t bother you? You have somebody who is a racist playing ball, well, then you`re apparently not upset about Donald Sterling?

CANE: But the truth is, Jay is saying that he doesn`t care. But people do care. One of the craziest things I heard on Twitter were people saying, oh, the children are seeing two people in a long-term relationship kissing, which got me -- I got so angry.

I said to myself, so what are you going to do when your kids are at an airport, and they see a same-sex couple kissing each other goodbye? What are you going to do when you see your -- when you see a same-sex couple walking down the street holding hands and your kids are there? I think it`s more about the adults than the children.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Go ahead.

JONES: I think it`s also comes down to educating young people about what they`re going to be -- what they`re seeing. And I think that there`s a lot of different media platforms out there that are expressing this, and you still have to consistently educate people. It`s going to take people time, you know. You mentioned before about the masculine environment. You have to be able to continue to educate people.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well...

THOMAS: On this point, you know what...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: ... I`m keeping jay Thomas on the hot seat for saying it doesn`t really matter.

THOMAS: No, no. No, no. This kid has got to play pro football. And I hope they give him the time to do it.

By the way, he`s the No. 1 defensive player in the SEC. We`re talking the toughest defense in the United States. This guy has got to knock some people down.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But wait a second...

THOMAS: He`s going to show he plays pro football.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I don`t want to talk football. I want to talk about...

THOMAS: All of this goes away. All of it goes away.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: ... if you are not upset, it doesn`t matter, as long as he plays good football. But by that logic, Wendy Murphy, then, what Donald Sterling, wouldn`t really matter what he said. Would just cause such an uproar, because, oh, maybe he`s a good team owner in other ways. Is that the criteria, then we`re in trouble?

MURPHY: I understand your point, Jane. You make a good point that we should make harsh judgments about people who are barbarians, and we shouldn`t buy tickets to, you know, go to their games or go to their stores, whatever.

But I think what we all have to agree is true is that there is a tremendous amount of racism and phobias around homosexuality. There`s a tremendous amount of sexism and hatred toward women, especially in these hyper masculine environments.

The difference is, we don`t see it. It doesn`t come on display. You don`t have people dumb enough like Donald Sterling to say it out loud.

You know, I used to be an NFL cheerleader for the New England Patriots. What I saw there...

THOMAS: You were? Yes!

MURPHY: What, am I not blonde enough? Are you shocked? Come on.

THOMAS: I`d like to kiss you right now.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jay, I want to get back to...

MURPHY: Me too! I like him.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And feel free to jump in, guys.

CANE: You know what...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And listen! It`s your criteria, I think is very dangerous, Jay.

THOMAS: No, you know what? I think that the -- I`m talking about fans. I`m talking about people that watch football. There is going to be this discussion for weeks to come or whatever. But I think that, if the kid really plays good ball, which I think he will. I think St. Louis got a deal. I think Jeff Fisher is a terrific guy. I think this kid, Michael Sam, is a terrific guy also.

And as football goes, once he plays well, you won`t have a lot of people calling him names or saying anything. He`s probably much more like Jackie Robinson than anyone we`ve had in a long time.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Dhani Jones, former NFL linebacker?

JONES: Don`t forget about -- look, don`t forget about Kenny Washington. You know.

THOMAS: Yes.

JONES: And the Los Angeles Rams...

THOMAS: That`s right.

JONES: ... and when they were able to draft him into the NFL as the first African-American player, and now the first African-American openly gay player on the St. Louis Rams.

So I think it definitely comes down to his ability to play, 110 percent. And that was part of the reason why he fell in this draft stock, because of the fact that he wasn`t able to perform on the big stage when they had the combine.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, let me tell you something. I disagree, in the sense that, if he`s a mediocre player like many other mediocre players, he should not be judged unharshly. In other words, oh, we`re only going to accept an openly gay player if they`re absolutely extraordinary. Not every player is absolutely extraordinary, and he should have the right to be mediocre as any other person has the right to be mediocre.

On the other side, was a Florida mom insane or was she evil when she shot her mouthy kids to death execution-style? And what on earth did Julie Schenecker say to her son right before she killed him? We`re going to tell you on the other side.

Also, stunning video released of cops gunning down a man just outside his bathroom. Did they have reason to fear for their lives, or was this out of control?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Lay down. Lay down on the floor, you hear me? Drop the gun.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "We have two beautiful children."

JULIE SCHENECKER, MURDER DEFENDANT: The last straw: My daughter, my 16- year-old, was just mouthy.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why did you want to shoot her in the mouth?

SCHENECKER: Because it angers me so much.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: An all-American family with a sick member.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you know what kind of condition they`re in?

SCHENECKER: They`re a mess.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They`re a mess? Are they alive or dead?

SCHENECKER: I don`t know.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You may think, she looks crazy.

SCHENECKER: I hope they`re dead.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sane people don`t shoot and kill their children. Even psychopaths don`t kill their own children.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight a ferocious battle in the Mouthy Mom courtroom, as Julie Schenecker`s defense trots out psychiatrist after psychiatrist, trying to prove the mother of two was legally insane when she murdered her two teenage children.

We are finally hearing details about Schenecker`s molestation as a little girl. But did it cause her to go crazy? And will that matter to the jury?

This Florida mother charged with two counts of first-degree, premeditated murder. Cops say she plotted the murders of her two beautiful teenage kids, 13-year-old Beau and 16-year-old Calyx, shot them both in the head and then, just for good measure, in the mouth because they were mouthy, she said, and sassy.

Today the defense brought a parade of psychiatrists to the stand to say Schenecker was insane. They tried to convince the jury that, of course, she was crazy, because sane people don`t kill their children.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In my opinion, based on all of my contacts and clinical interviews with Ms. Schenecker, I firmly have the opinion that she was insane at the time of the crime.

Sane people don`t shoot and kill their children. They don`t kill their children. Even psychopaths don`t kill their own children.

I think she was in a psychotic state. People who are not psychotic do not kill their children.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I beg to differ, doctor. I believe -- and I`ve covered so many of these stories, that sane people kill their kids all of the time. They`re called evil people. Not insane, always.

Plus, we now learn that Schenecker lied to her son, telling him the gun was fake right before she blew him away. Does that sound like an insane person or just a wicked, awful person?

We have a fantastic Lion`s Den panel ready to debate. But first straight out to CNN producer John Couwels. John, you were inside the courtroom today. Tell us how she lied to her son before she executed him.

JOHN COUWELS, CNN PRODUCER: Well, Jane, just like you said. I mean, she was entering the car that -- while they were driving on their way to soccer, that she said to him that -- she pulled it out and she was like, what`s that? She goes, "Oh, this isn`t real. This isn`t real. This isn`t a real gun." And then shortly right after that, you know, he got so angry at her that he almost punched her in the face. That`s how she felt until she turned sideways and shot him in the side of the head.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And why was he angry at her?

COUWELS: He was angry at her because she was -- he was -- she was lying to him, that this was a fake gun. You know, he -- she scared him to death by pulling out that gun. And then, you know, just pulled it up next to his head.

But you know, they said that leading up to it, that she was walking him to the car. She walked by and saw his soccer uniform that needed to be washed. And in one fact, she`s thinking about washing his clothes and a few minutes later, while driving, shoots him and kills him.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, of all the things I`ve heard in this trial, that makes me think she`s crazy, for the first time, that she`s thinking of washing his clothes when she`s plotting to kill him, and has journaled about how she`s going to kill him.

We`ve been hearing about the molestation allegation. The defense says Julie Schenecker was sexually assaulted when she was a little girl, and it traumatized her for life. Listen to this.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She was molested by a neighbor several times when she was about 7 years old. He would sit there and make furniture for little girls` dollhouses.

He would have them sit on his lap, and he would put his hand up their underwear and their pants and their underwear and molest them.

That sexual abuse episode really affected her. All her life, it affected her. She told me the man had a beard, and that people with beards would trigger her.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Straight into the Lion`s Den. Dr. Tiffanie Davis Henry, psychotherapist, is she playing the pity card or is there a connection between molestation and insanity?

TIFFANIE DAVIS-HENRY, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: No doubt molestation has profound effect on anyone, no matter what age they were when they were molested. But I do, Jane, think that she is playing the pity card. And why shouldn`t she?

I mean, as a defense attorney -- and I don`t agree with this. But if I were defending this client, I would certainly pull out every -- every stop I could, every nook and cranny, dig, dig, dig, until I could find something that could maybe justify or soften the hearts of these jurors so that she doesn`t have to spend the rest of her life in jail. So I`m thinking this is their way to kind of gain some empathy or some sympathy from those jurors.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I mean, the defense spent all day making a case for why Schenecker is insane, including that she wanted to secretly buy a plane ticket and dye her hair so she could attend her own kids` funerals, the ones she killed.

You know Diana Aizman, criminal defense attorney, we see this case trying to paint her as crazy. It`s like the defense is really doing everything it can, just every little story, every anecdote, when there is a lot of evidence she was just a drug addict and an alcoholic with some mental problems but not legally insane.

DIANA AIZMAN, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: You know, a lot of mentally ill people use drugs and alcohol to self medicate, to make the horror that`s going on in their life a little less impactful. And I think that in this case the defense needs to absolutely pull out all of the stops. They need to establish that she is legally insane. That she did not understand the difference between right and wrong, when this happened. And I think they`re doing a great job of that. I believe that she truly is nuts.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I don`t think -- I think she`s nuts, but I think she knew the difference between right and wrong. I think alcoholism and drug addiction were really the weight that crossed her over from just being a bad mom with bipolar to a killer mom.

For more on the Julie Schenecker trial, stay tuned for Nancy Grace. She comes up in just a couple minutes, and she`s going to have a whole bunch more.

But next, right here, newly released surveillance video appears to show hip-hop mogul Jay-Z getting attacked in an elevator. You will not believe the woman who reportedly is throwing the punches and kicking. It`s a shocker. Stay right there. We`re going to play the whole tape for you.

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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, no, no.

(MUSIC)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The winner of 19 Grammy Awards.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Jay-Z.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The personification of the American dream, Sean "Jay-Z" Carter.

JAY-Z: Either love me or leave me alone.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, shocking new surveillance video from TMZ appears to show Beyonce`s little sister Solange violently attacking her super famous mogul brother-in-law Jay-Z in a fit of rage. It all reportedly went down in an elevator at the Standard Hotel after the super-glam A-List only New York Met Gala.

You can see four people who appear to be Jay-Z, Beyonce, her sister Solange, and a body guard. The woman who appears to be Solange argues with Jay-Z before she starts to repeatedly punch and kick the hip-hop mogul. TMZ says that`s when a body guard attempts to restrain her.

Watch as Solange continues to kick wildly at Jay-Z. Who the hell attacks their famous rich brother-in-law like that? Beyonce and Jay-Z have been married for six years.

Here is one of the little sister, alleged attacker, Solange`s music videos.

(MUSIC)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: What ticked her off? Could it be jealousy? She`s the younger sister of one of the most famous women in the world, Beyonce`s on the cover of "Time" magazine as one of the most -- 100 most influential people.

(MUSIC)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: We can`t independently confirm the authenticity of the video. Solange`s rep has no comment. We haven`t heard back from Beyonce and Jay-Z.

Straight out to TMZ News Manager, Mike Walters. What the heck was this about? What were they fighting about?

MIKE WALTERS, TMZ NEWS MANAGER: Well, Jane, we don`t know exactly what the argument was over, but I can tell you, if you watch right here at the beginning of the video, this argument is already ongoing. They get into the elevator and Solange goes right up to Jay-Z. She`s probably already given him some of the pieces of her mind before it gets violent in the elevator.

But I will tell you some of the evidence is this to me. You see Beyonce in this elevator. And if it was something that she disagreed with or that she thought maybe her sister shouldn`t be saying or doing to her husband, she is violently attacking him, then she would have stepped in. And it`s weird to me that Beyonce stays back, doesn`t say anything, and even as the video goes on Jane two or three minutes later, when the elevator finally opens, Beyonce isn`t scolding her sister about what just happened.

And if you, me or you or somebody in our family, this happened where our spouse was attacked by our sibling, you would think you would you`d jump in the middle of it or even just say, "Hey, stop, back off, don`t do that." Beyonce almost seems like --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I don`t have the answer but --

WALTERS: -- she is letting it happen is my point.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Mike, quickly. Was alcohol involved, perchance?

WALTER: Well, I was told by one person who worked at the hotel that they believe that parties were intoxicated. They would not be specific on which one of the parties. I think a lot of people are speculating, obviously, Solange is doing all of the attacking. But I will tell you that what I`m told so far is that these three got out, and Solange and Beyonce left together. Jay-Z went separately. Even in the end, Beyonce rode with her sister away from the Met Gala.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Maybe she needed some accompaniment, if you know what I mean. Mike Walters always fabulous, TMZ breaking another story.

Sian Pierre Regis, HLN contributor, founder and editor in chief swaggernewyork.com. What to me speaks volumes is look how cool Jay-Z is. You know why he`s a mogul worth more than $500 million, and Beyonce too. They are cool as cucumbers, no matter what the craziness.

SIAN PIERRE REGIS, HLN CONTRIBUTOR: They totally are. I mean I don`t think that, you know -- I don`t think that Solange is really used to these type of situations, you know? There`s a question whether Beyonce and Jay-Z are always cool, calm and collected or whether they just know that they are always being watched.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Can I just jump in for a second? I understand you know Solange. So is this uncharacteristic, is she hot-tempered, does she like to party? If you what I mean.

REGIS: No, she -- listen, I`ve met Solange multiple times, both in private and public settings. And she is a very cool cat -- she`s super gregarious, very low-key. I`m shocked to see this happen. I think, you know -- as Mike mentioned earlier, something happened just before they walked into that elevator to get her so hot-headed. I have never seen Solange raise her voice or be so aggressive.

I mean she -- she`s a mother. She`s 27, really cool. It`s very surprising, it`s shocking.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Dhani Jones, former NFL linebacker, they could have used a former NFL linebacker in this situation. What do you make --

JONES: I would have been a body guard.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: -- of this? Yes. What do you make of this? I mean is this jealousy?

JONES: Well, what do I make of this? I can only speculate that there are probably some jealous words that were spent between Solange and Jay-Z. But to watch Beyonce in the corner not even kind of coming to either person`s attention kind of caught me off guard. And I thought it was actually pretty good on the part of the body guard to hold Solange back and tip the emergency button to hold the elevator for a minute. And then they get off the elevator, and Jay-Z still fixing his pants and you see Solange with her walk. It was very strange for Beyonce and Solange to get into the car and Jay-Z get in the other car. And I was trying to look into the other car on the video to see if there might be somebody in there. Would that have happened?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I think she cared about her little sister, even though her sister was out of control. And Doctor Tiff, you know, to be the little sister of such a globally famous woman, again, on the cover of "Time" one of the most -- 100 most influential people on the planet. And she`s married to a mogul who has won I don`t know how many awards and is worth more than half a billion dollars. It`s got to -- it`s got to eat away inside you.

DR. TIFFANIE DAVIS-HENRY, HLN CONTRIBUTOR: Yes, yes. It`s got to. And Jane, to be honest, aren`t we all just a little jealous of Beyonce? Just a little bit?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. I`ll say it.

DAVIS-HENRY: Just a little bit. We all are.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: We all are jealous of Beyonce.

DAVIS-HENRY: Of course. But you know what, certainly, Jane, that video to me looked like this was not the first time that this has happened. Because they were so cool, so calm, so collected it was just like, you know what -- here`s the interesting thing. Jay-Z has a line in one of his songs that says, you know, you never argue with fools, because people from a distance can`t tell who is who. You remain calm, cool and collected, because this person is out of control.

And it seems like they were taking a line from one of his songs and just saying, look, we don`t want to feed into her behavior. We`re just going to sit back, let her do what she does and get off this elevator quickly, because she is out of control.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, forgive her for she knows not what she does. Wendy Murphy, former prosecutor, I just watched "Son of God" this weekend that`s why that came to me.

MURPHY: I tell you, I have a very different view of this because I have a sister that I feel so protective of. I think this is a story of a little sister sticking up for her sister. That`s why they left together and without him. I think she was angry on behalf of her sister.

And look, Beyonce is no wall flower. She is tough. There is tough girl DNA in that fair family. I think they were angry at Jay-Z. And my guess is he`s in trouble. He`s in trouble.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh, but they were seen at a game -- Jay-Z and Beyonce.

MURPHY: I don`t care.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Over the weekend and they were all huggy-huggy and lovey- lovey. So I don`t know. We`ll have to -- we may never solve the mystery.

But this story is gut-wrenching. I honestly felt sick as I watched this video. The man in this video -- did he have to die at the hands of police? His family released the video of the deadly confrontation with cops. We`re going to play it all for you or at least a good chunk of it on the other side and let you decide.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stay down. Stay down. Stay down. Stay down.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Take him. Take him out. Take him down. Now.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`s got a knife. He`s got a knife. He`s got a knife.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get back.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Please.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Drop the knife. Drop the knife.

Stay down. Stay down. Stay down.

Take him. Take him out. Take him down. .

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, a routine police call takes a deadly turn; it`s all caught on tape. I warn you, the video you`re about to see is extremely violent. Late last year, cops respond to a 911 call made by the family of Michael Blair, a 26-year-old paranoid schizophrenic who locked himself in the bathroom with a knife and was threatening to kill himself. The ordeal starts out peacefully. Cops try to coerce Michael out of the bathroom. Check.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Michael. Hey, man.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Michael opens the door a little bit. Cops see a knife and they stand back. They continue asking him to open the door eventually kicking it in. From there, the officer commands Michael to drop the knife.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Drop the knife. Drop the knife. Let the knife go. Drop the knife.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Over the course of this five-minute video, officers asked Michael to drop the knife 50 times, approximately. They also tase him repeatedly. At one point officers appear to have the situation under control, with one officer approaching Michael, who`s lying in the bathtub.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let the knife go. Let the knife go.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: But then the officer backs out of the bathroom. Michael stands up and allegedly, apparently lunges toward the cops who begin shooting, shooting. Warning: this is very graphic but it`s essential to see to understand the story.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stop.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: The officers have been cleared of any wrongdoing by a grand jury. But Michael`s family is outraged saying he did not have to die.

Straight out the Lion`s Den. And again I want to stress, the cops have been absolved of wrongdoing. But I`ve got to ask Dr. Tiff, since we`re dealing with a paranoid schizophrenic. Could the police have handled this situation differently.

DAVIS-HENRY: First and foremost Jane, we are dealing with a person, that`s diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia and that`s what we have to remember. They are not their diagnosis and this guy was in extreme distress. The family had already called and said he`s suicidal. That means they need to walk into the situation and handle with care.

Remember, Antoinette Tuff, the young woman who talked down the guy in the school that came -- he wanted to kill himself, but he had this gun. It was all about how she handled that situation. She talked to him calmly. She made sure that she talked him down, got on his level. They have to do that --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes.

DAVIS-HENRY: They have to do that with this type of client.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Diana Aizman, criminal defense attorney, couldn`t they have shut the door, walked away, called for backup and waited. I mean you`re dealing with a paranoid schizophrenic. These are people who have delusions. They hear people talking to them through walls.

Yes, they asked him to put the knife down 50 times. But who knows what was going on in his mind. Why didn`t they back off and like close the door?

AIZMAN: Because if he then went and killed himself and the family would be all over it saying why would you just leave him there, we told you that he was suicidal. I can`t believe you left my family member unattended in a bathroom with a knife.

They tried to handle the situation as best they could. Unfortunately, they were untrained in how to handle somebody who has paranoid schizophrenia. They treated this guy like he was just an armed subject. And they were attacked by this armed subject in a sense that he lunged at them. And so based on their training, they felt the need to open fire.

And because every time an officer is under attack by somebody with a weapon, they`re trained to shoot to kill. That`s exactly what they did here.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: On the other side, were there civil rights violations involved?

The family of the victim of the man who was shot dead wants an investigation. Stay right there.

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QUANELL X, COMMUNITY ACTIVIST: These cases always have cops no build (ph). These are cases are always lies and truths are not told. And so that tape was held until they would finish their quote unquote "investigation", until all the lies and then we would have a tape to expose those lying hypocrites for what they have.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: That is community activist Quanell X. And he said -- you all heard it that the family held the tape until after the investigation. So, Dhani Jones, host of Playbook 360, it begs the question, the grand jury that decided that these officers did nothing wrong, even see this video, weren`t they hurting their own case by not releasing it at least until the grand jury could see it. Is this a civil rights issue?

JONES: Well, I think this is definitely an issue where it has to be revisited now. I mean the reason why the tape is there and the reason why the family held onto it is so that they could see how the jury would find the officers in question. Now, I think that one thing that the officers, unfortunately did act upon is a premeditated assumption of the suspect. I mean, don`t forget, he was tased. So, that lunging could have been from his being shocked and moving forwards the officers.

In my opinion, it`s definitely a case that has to be reopened, revisited and the officers acted over-aggressively. They could have just held him down, they could have just shot him, maimed him so that they could bide their time. I mean, I think as a man watching this video, I mean I was -- I was very moved and it hurt me deeply.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wendy Murphy, we only have a couple of seconds. They shot him 11 times, reportedly.

MURPHY: Yes. Yes. I mean -- look. Gun trumps knife. And one bullet usually does it. Plus, you`ve got a taser and a couple of cops and a sick guy -- this is so wrong on so many levels. I hope the family files some kind of lawsuit under the Americans with Disabilities Act, because that`s their best chance for winning a ton of dough.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I want to thank our fantastic panel and particularly Dhani Jones, former NFL linebacker, for joining us tonight. What a great conversation.

And stay right there, because Nancy Grace is next with the very latest on the very latest Schenecker trial.

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