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Clay Aiken's Primary Opponent Dies; Rove: Clinton "Brain Damage?"; Boehner Cagey On Future; New Doubts Raised About Flight 370 Pings; Are Red Wine And Chocolate Good For You?

Aired May 13, 2014 - 07:30   ET

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DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR: Officials are expected to certify the results today, but Aiken suspended all campaign activities after news of Crisco's death. It's certainly a very interesting turn. I mean --

KATE BOLDUAN, CNN ANCHOR: It was already getting more attention than a normal Democratic primary does in a congressional race in a red district. But now it's so unfortunate.

LEMON: She was our congressional correspondent so you know everything about this.

BOLDUAN: Dialing back.

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: It's such -- the worst way to win.

BOLDUAN: That's right.

CUOMO: So hard spot for Clay Aiken to be in, but obviously everybody's thoughts are going to be with Mr. Crisco's family.

BOLDUAN: It's unexpected, healthy, 71.

CUOMO: So you've got that issue.

LEMON: It is an odd twist. Former "American Idol" winner and then you have this and the guy dies. Come on. Strange turn of events.

CUOMO: A lot of bizarre stuff. That's often what happens in politics.

There's another one going on today as well. Let's take it over to John King for "Inside Politics" on NEW DAY. You have to deal with what Karl Rove is stirring up as well this morning -- John.

JOHN KING, HOST, CNN'S "INSIDE POLITICS": Chris, Kate and Don, good morning too. We begin right there as we go "Inside Politics" this morning and with me to share their reporting and their insights Margaret Talev of "Bloomberg News" and Robert Costa of "The Washington Post."

Let's start, Robert and Margaret, with shocking and I'll say, I think reprehensible comments from Karl Rove. Remember Karl Rove, the architect of the two George W. Bush presidential wins. "The New York Post" reporting this morning that at a conference late last week in Los Angeles, he brought up Hillary Clinton's health.

Remember she was hospitalized late in her term as secretary of state and he said this, 30 days in the hospital and when she reappears she's wearing glasses that are only for people who have traumatic brain injury. We need to know what's up with that.

Margaret, now, anyone who runs for president is going to have to answer questions for health. She was hospitalized while in the cabinet. No question she would be asked what about your health records, be more forthcoming than you have been so far. That's fair game. But to say she has essentially saying I think she has brain damage or some sort of a traumatic brain injury beyond the pale?

MARGARET TALEV, "BLOOMBERG NEWS": Shot across the bow would be like the understatement to describe this. I think Karl Rove is sending a very clear signal, an unmistakable signal, that if she really wants to do this, it's going to be hard core from the get go. He is going to take a lot of heat about this. Maybe he figures better him than the Republican candidate. Is she going to have to talk about, you know, what happened after the fall? Of course, does it have to be framed this way? No, absolutely not.

KING: Robert, that asks the question. Liberals don't like Karl Rove. He's been their Bogeyman for some time. He says a lot of provocative things. A lot of people are going to say this is reckless. I think it is way over the line. You can raise the question. You don't have to raise it this way. But he doesn't do things by accident. The "New York Post" reports that he repeated this a couple of times during this conference. What's he is trying to do?

ROBERT COSTA, "THE WASHINGTON POST": Karl Rove is not a doctor, but he is very connected to wealthy conservative donors. I think he's trying to signal to them in 2016 Hillary Clinton's health will be part of his conversation. He's trying to cross that threshold early. I think the problem for rove is, as much as some in the GOP base may cheer speculation about Clinton's health, at the same time, some donors, wealthy donors, may be wary of Rove's comments. When you look at groups that he's associated with will those dollars still be there if this is the way Karl Rove is going to operate ahead of 2016. That's an open question.

KING: A Clinton spokesperson did tell the "New York Post," please assure Dr. Rove she's 100 percent. Karl Rove has deceived the country for years, but there are no words for this level of lying. No question Republicans are trying to lay down a marker for her, if you run, we are going to be tough. We're going to bring back up Monica Lewinsky if we so choice, Benghazi and the State Department.

But again, I'm just having a hard time where you would suggest someone has traumatic brain injury before -- as they're considering a candidate for presidency. They think they're going to scare her out? Do you think they're going to say, don't you just want to be a grandmother and have a peaceful life?

TALEV: We've seen her on the road already in these sort of unofficial non-campaign events where she's talking about complex issues, ducking a throwing shoe. She is going to be demonstrating by her daily actions as she's out there whether or not she's in fighting shape. So to some extent that will short itself out. This is a very aggressive tact to take.

COSTA: I think it's reflects Republican nerves. It's only May 2014.

KING: Nerves or fear?

COSTA: I think a bit of both. They're not sure if they can beat her, they're not sure if there's a candidate on the Republican side who can beat her. If they're already talking about her health in this way at this time, there is fear in the Republican ranks about her ascendancy and about their ability to really combat her in 2016.

KING: Interesting. We'll continue to watch this one. And this is at a corporate meeting reported by the "New York Post." What we have not seen yet is if there's any video or audio of this event. Normally in these circumstances, it's surfaces so we'll keep an eye on that. Also be interesting to see if his employers at the Fox News Channel, whether he's asked about it on the air and whether they think that that's appropriate for one of their employees although it was not on Fox News when he said this. We need to make clear there.

Let's turn to Speaker John Boehner. He gave a news conference yesterday. A lot of speculation about John Boehner because the conservative base is so unhappy with him. John Boehner says he's running for re-election. He expects to win. He expects to keep the speaker's gavel.

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REP. JOHN BOEHNER (R-OH), SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE: I'm running for re- election. I expect to be speaker.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you fully expect to serve out your full term, Mr. Speaker?

BOEHNER: I can't predict what's going to happen? I'll be 65 in November. I never thought I would live to be 60. So I'm living on borrowed time.

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KING: Why Robert Costa, the last part, I'm not sure if I'm going to complete my two years as speaker. Why not just say I assume so, sure? That's what the election is. Why would he say that?

COSTA: Well, I think Boehner is pretty candid. He knows he's going to stay through November because he wants to carry House Republicans through the election. At the same time, I think there's always been this rumor about potential retirement. He is maybe looking toward the door. He knows Republicans take over the Senate he's going to be in a position as speaker to get reforms through to really push up against the White House. And if Republicans don't take the Senate, retirement may look like a pretty good option. KING: And Margaret, Robert is talking about after the election. If the Republicans take the Senate. There are a lot of people including the business community that wish Speaker Boehner before the election would bring immigration reform up for a vote in the House. He has dally danced around this a couple of times. He says it's still a possibility this year although people think it's not going to happen before the election.

Listen to Tom Donahue, he is the president of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. His organization, the political is spending a ton of money to help Republicans this year. Tom Donahue wants this done yesterday and if Republicans don't do it soon, listen --

I'm sorry. We don't have the found here. If Republicans don't do it they shouldn't bother to run a candidate in 2016. Think about that. Think about who the voters are. I just did that to get everybody's attention.

Obvious demographics, the rise in the Latino population. It's hard to see winning Nevada, winning New Mexico, winning Florida, the battleground states unless Republicans improve their standing here. How much of that is frustration and how much of that is serious?

TALEV: I actually think it is serious. When you connect the dots you look at what Boehner is saying, which is I want to serve out, you know, the remainder of my time as speaker, but I care about immigration reform and this is a card I have in my pocket. It's always been debated, would he be willing to lose his speakership to go big on immigration reform?

He is promoting Jeb Bush as a candidate. Donahue is saying, look, Republicans are not in the game if they're not talking about immigration reform. This is certainly shaping up to be a major issue in 2016 and could become a major issue earlier.

KING: Would the chamber withhold its money in 2016 for Republicans?

COSTA: I don't think so. Donahue know it's not there to do anything. However, when he looks at the 2016 field he sees Jeb Bush, Paul Ryan, Marco Rubio and other Republicans supportive of comprehensive immigration reform efforts. They're rising. They are in the Republican sphere for 2016. He's got to be happy about that even if there's no action right now on the Hill.

KING: Robert Costa, Margaret Talev, appreciate you coming.

As we get back to New York, we know one of the Republicans who is push for immigration reform, who might run for president in 2016 is a guy named Jeb Bush, the former Florida governor. He was messing a little bit, Mr. Cuomo, I guess, with your neck of the world. Listen to him right here, Jeb Bush, joking about his own future but working in a little something else.

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JEB BUSH (R), FORMER FLORIDA GOVERNOR: There's been a lot of speculation about what may happen in the future. I've been candid that I'm weighing my options. But I'd like to take this opportunity tonight to confirm that, if asked, I would be willing to chair the Rudy 2017 campaign against Bill Deblasio. Let's do this, Mayor.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KING: That is a fun way to stir up a little trouble. That's a fun way to stir up trouble as opposed to what I'll say is the reprehensible conduct of Mr. Rove.

BOLDUAN: I think that's probably the good way to stir up some trouble, good trouble. It's a good strategy. Deflect, deflect, deflect, until it's time for you to announce one way or another.

CUOMO: I don't really like this strategy. I get why it works. I get why it works with us. I come from a political family. I feel like being straight about it is often --

BOLDUAN: So fine, Chris, announce, are you running in 2016?

CUOMO: I'm going to run for the door.

LEMON: You come from a political family?

CUOMO: I do. The women, horrible.

BOLDUAN: Right.

LEMON: I saw your brother last night and I said, Chris, jokingly, he didn't smile at all.

CUOMO: Did he punch you in the face?

BOLDUAN: That's a joke with them.

LEMON: But our boss said to him, you have to get up, you have to be on at 6:00 a.m. He didn't like that, either.

BOLDUAN: Thanks, John, by the way.

CUOMO: He likes to say that Cuomos helped people for a living except for Chris who talks to people who help people for a living. Love families.

BOLDUAN: Chris until tend unless the governor wants to take me on.

CUOMO: No, he loves you very much. Everybody likes you. I'm the problem. Rudy can run in 2017, by the way. He could. Just saying.

BOLDUAN: I love when Chris though throws up a just saying.

LEMON: New tag line, just saying.

CUOMO: I put it on a tie, lengthwise.

Coming up on NEW DAY, there are growing doubts that the pings detected in the search for Flight 370 were from the plane. Why? We'll explain. And also, there are new questions about what it will mean for where the search goes. We have our experts weighing in.

Plus, listen to this. Don't cry yet. It turns out red wine and chocolate may not be so good for your health after all. This is very difficult for a pregnant woman to hear. We're digging deeper on a new study that dismisses their supposed benefits so what is true, what is not? We will tell you.

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BOLDUAN: Welcome back. There are new concerns this morning about the search for Flight 370 and whether all of the pings that have been detected and have been so important to the search in Indian Ocean are actually from the missing plane's black boxes. These doubts are being raised as an international organization is exploring the future of plane's safety including realtime flight tracking.

Here to discuss is CNN's own Richard Quest. Richard, it's great to see you. So the global aviation community is coming together essentially look at better ways of tracking flights, which also means better safety in flights. What are some of the things that they're discussing that could make a real difference, do you think?

RICHARD QUEST, CNN AVIATION CORRESPONDENT: Well, of course, now that we've moved from the initial phase of the investigation going into a much more detailed, much more difficult phase under water, but the aviation industries that to deal with the future. That means the very real question of realtime tracking of aircraft.

International Civil Aviation Organization, IACO, based in Montreal, it can be as boring and sclerotic as you can imagine, but they have been galvanized into action by the awfulness of MH370 and frankly, I have never seen this organization move so fast. A, to recognize a situation and, B, to decide to do something about it.

So by tonight, we expect in Montreal ICAO to have come out with a short-term solution. What are they going to do to make sure planes never get lost like this again? And then, put in place a medium and long-term solution that will see the aviation industry through into the future.

BOLDUAN: Is it wrong for folks who have kind of talked about aviation safety for a long time to be skeptical of what ICAO is going to come up with? We know that the discussions of how to have more realtime tracking, safer flights, all of that jazz was you discussed also after the 2009 disappearance of the Air France flight and nothing came of it. What has been the hold-up and what is different this time?

QUEST: And there you have elegantly put your finger on why ICAO cannot afford to be seen to drop the ball again. You're right. The 447 report said explicitly this needs to be dealt with. The Malaysian airlines interim report had a safety recommendation, the preliminary had a safety recommendation, so they can't ignore it.

The issue is how do you do it? But here you have Inmarsat, which came out yesterday and basically said, 11,000 planes flying around at the moment have our technology and we will give them free realtime tracking. Now, they hope to sell them premium data services, too. But this is a short-term solution. Not long term. It's a short-term solution that would help prevent, not that one would expect another 370.

BOLDUAN: Absolutely right. What about not being able to turn off things on the plane. That's a huge problem with Flight 370, is they turned off some of the tracking devices for lack of a better term or they were turned off somehow. What about just not being able to turn them off? Doesn't that seem like a simple solution?

QUEST: Yes, it does, but you need to give the flight crew the flexibility to respond in certain situations. I'll give you an example. If there is a serious electoral issue on the aircraft and they need to switch off the electrics fast, they need to be able to pick and choose, which ones to pull, which ones to keep. You need to have the ability to we decide, we don't need that, switch it over. There's a fire over here, leave it on. And that, of course, would constrain the captain and the first officer in what they do.

But having said that, of course, there are ways in which you can satisfy the needs of the flight crew and at the same time make sure that the plane is always traceable wherever it is in the world. Switching off the transponder is a relatively simple one to solve. It's not a difficult issue long term.

BOLDUAN: This may be a little premature because the recommendations have not yet come out. But any suggestion that the airline industry, the airlines themselves, are ready for this type of change? It had been suggested to me that the airlines and the cost of making these upgrades, if you will, that had been one of the obstacles previously.

QUEST: It was indeed because not only is the more equipment on the aircraft potentially, there's the cost of the data transmission, there's whether or not the satellites simply have enough data bandwidth to cater for all the information that would be coming from various aircrafts. Those arguments have long since gone.

Everybody -- every airline CEO that I've spoken to in the last two to three months have basically said it's not a question of the, it's a question of when and a question of how. So now everybody is looking at the modalities by which it can be done. One point to make, before we finish, of course, because they are going to be looking now back at 370 and everybody is starting to pull apart the evidence and the science upon which the search has been based.

We've seen one article destroying or attempting to destroy the Inmarsat handshakes. The "Wall Street Journal" article drew criticism on the so-called underwater pings. But here's the real problem with all of these critics. If you take away the signs that they've been looking at you've you only have the Inmarsat handshakes, you only have the underwater pings.

And frankly since the batteries have long since died, if all of these are wrong, or inaccurate, then we are facing a very challenging, a very different, a unique situation, and, I might add, one in which that is why they're having this complete and utter review of the evidence and the science.

BOLDUAN: If you do not search where this data suggests, you have nowhere to search and no path forward. Great explanation as always, Richard. Thank you so much, great to see you -- Chris.

CUOMO: Which again, Kate, puts pressure on the Malaysian authorities to give up all information and analysis they have. We had the vice president for Inmarsat, the satellite company here on NEW DAY saying they've turned over what little data they have. So, you know, to open the field of research on this is really going to fall on the Malaysians.

Let's take a quick break here on NEW DAY. When we come back, we'll call it bitter sweet. The ingredient in dark chocolate and red wine may be too hold to be true. I know. Hold your surprise. We'll tell you about all the new healthy hype.

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LEMON: Welcome back. It sounded too good to be true, anyways. For years, studies suggested that drinking red wine and eating chocolate promoted better health and even help people live longer. But a new study looking at the impact of resveratrol, an antioxidant found in grape skin and dark chocolate suggests that it may not be the fountain of youth. As I said, many people hoped it would be.

Here to explain this, Dr. Suzanne Steinbaum, the director of women's heart health at Lenox Hill Hospital. So what gives here? We were all loving it.

DR. SUZANNE STEINBAUM, DIRECTOR, WOMEN HEART DISEASE, LENOX HILL HOSPITAL: I know.

BOLDUAN: Do we have to talk about it now? This is, like -- those are the two things I'm really excited about post-pregnancy. More red wine and more dark chocolate.

LEMON: What does this all mean? It's not good for you?

STEINBAUM: I wouldn't say that. I wouldn't say give up the red wine and dark chocolate, but it showed us in one study, about 800 people in Italy, where they do drink red wine, is that the amount of resveratrol that they drank, it didn't prevent heart disease and cancers like they were hoping. So it's not that we're saying resveratrol is not good for you, but it's not a magic fix. There's is no such thing as a magic pill to make you live longer and be healthier.

LEMON: They drink a lot, perhaps, and forget about their problems. It was 783 men and women at age 65 or older, used urine to measure the levels for nine years. Found the levels did not influence heart disease, cancer nor longevity.

STEINBAUM: That's what it is. So when we talk about people going out and buying supplements, really, we know is a huge thing, about $30 million were spent on resveratrol supplements in this county so now we are seeing the study. Even if you take a lot of it, it's not going to change your life, make you live longer. What's the take-home? I hate to break it to everybody, it's really about eating a diet filled with the bioflavinoids, those found in cocoa and berries, and eating, I have to say, the best diet is Mediterranean.

BOLDUAN: You're not saying, we really want to know this, I can't have red wine? You're not saying --

CUOMO: Yes, you cannot have red wine right now.

LEMON: You can have red wine now. Right? Moderation?

BOLDUAN: The excuse for it has gone out the window.

STEINBAUM: You can still use it as an excuse. The reason, because it's really part of the Mediterranean diet. It is part of that heart healthy diet.

CUOMO: In moderation. The problem with the studies we're looking for something easy and overdo it. Don got himself in great shape recently and he did it the hard way. He changed how he ate. He changed how he moved, and he made sure --

LEMON: Get on the treadmill.

CUOMO: You got to do it the hard way.

STEINBAUM: Look at "The Biggest Loser" people who are losing weight. What are they doing? They're going out. They are exercising. They're changing their diet. They're changing their lives. There is never, ever, going to be that one pill that's going change everything and make you healthy. You've got to do the work. You have got to do the work.

LEMON: The best diet, I found, is let stuff roll off your back. Just let it roll off your back.

BOLDUAN: Doctor, you're wearing a red dress. It is also important, I think, and a great opportunity to point out that heart disease is not just a man's problem. It is one of the leading causes of death among women. Pay attention to this and take care of this.

STEINBAUM: I'm a spokesperson for "Go Red for Women," and I spend every day reminding women heart disease is their number one killer of women. Control it 80 percent to 90 percent of the time. Diet, exercise, lifetime, not about the pill, the red wine, it's about the big picture, getting rid of stress and really taking care of your heart.

LEMON: Next time bring samples of red wine.

STEINBAUM: I brought some.

LEMON: OK. Keep. Quiet. America won't hear it.

CUOMO: Anything worthwhile is hard. You have to just put in the time. We all know it. Common sense tells you.

BOLDUAN: Good to see you.

CUOMO: Great headline.

Coming up on NEW DAY, Donald Sterling lashes out at NBA legend, Magic Johnson, why? We have no idea. You have to hear it for yourself. Here what he says about magical battle with live. We'll bring in one of Magic's final teammates, AC Green, knows him well, and he's going to speak for his friend, when we come back.

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