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DR. DREW

Kid Killed After Mom`s Facebook Freakout

Aired May 15, 2014 - 21:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


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DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST (voice-over): Tonight, it started on Facebook. It ended with an 8-year-old boy dead, stabbed allegedly by his own mother.

Why didn`t mom`s bizarre posts set off alarms? I will get into it.

Plus, you tweeted, we listened. So, we have more on the drama teacher who married a teen student. Tonight, new allegations another teen is speaking out about the teacher`s racy texts.

Let`s get started.

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PINSKY: Good evening. I`m joined by my co-host Samantha Schacher.

And we are beginning with breaking news. As you just heard on Nancy Grace, mouthy mom, as we have been calling her, Julie Schenecker, guilty of having killing her two children, shooting them at point-blank range in the head and in the mouth. Jurors did not buy her insanity defense. She will spend the rest of her life in prison with no possibility of parole.

But, Sam, I`m going to take issue with something Nancy said at the end of her show, when she said it`s about right and wrong. I don`t think it was about right or wrong. This woman is mentally ill, let`s make no mistake about it.

But this is more than just mental illness. This is the questions of what the limits of mental illness versus premedication -- and let`s not kid ourself, avenging the deaths of two innocents. I think that`s why people are OK with this.

SAMANTHA SCHACHER, CO-HOST: I`m curious -- yes, I agree. I`m curious to see how difficult or easy it was for the jury because she did seem to in court go from being lucid to insane.

PINSKY: She`s insane. She has severe mental illness. That`s why I`m a -- about the whole thing. The only way I can emotionally connect to it is to go --

SCHACHER: She shot her two kids in the mouth. Called them mouthy.

PINSKY: We can`t let that -- there`s so evidence she planned it. That`s enough for all of us. Guilty, no possibility of parole, that is that.

Coming up later, I have another twitter rant from actor Baldwin. He is telling his side of the story about his most recent run-in with the police.

But, first up, we have this mom, similar to the Schenecker case, a mom has a Facebook freak-out. Shortly after that, she kills her 8-year-old boy, stabs him fatally in their home. Police say mom did it and loved ones point to her bizarre Facebook posts and wonder if they could have done something to prevent this. Take a look.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Your name is Jessica Murphy?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just heard some blood curdling screams from a female saying help, help.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Neighbors are still in shock after hearing screams coming from the upper apartment on levering near hurdle where 29- year-old Jessica Murphy lived with her mother and son, Jacob. When paramedics arrived, they found 8-year-old Jacob Noe dying of stab wounds.

On her Facebook page, she posted pictures of a camping trip just last month but her last post reads, "I guess people are calling my mom to complain that they`re worried about me because I like to post weird things. Please stop calling my mom. I assure you I`m 100 percent OK with who I am."

That was five days before the stabbing death.

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PINSKY: Joining us, Segun Oduolowu, social commentator, Leeann Tweeden, also a social commentator, host of "Tomboys" podcast on BlogTalkRadio.com.

Is it BlogTalkRadio.com or just Blog Talk Radio, Leeann?

LEEANN TWEEDEN, BLOGTALKRADIO.COM: BlogTalkRadio.com.

PINSKY: Anahita Sedaghatfar from AnahitaLaw.com.

According to her family, that mom was reportedly diagnosed just last year with a very, very severe form of mental illness, schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. One is a thought disturbance, the other is a mood disorder. She has now pled not guilty to second-degree murder.

Sam, tell us about the things she posted on Facebook. This is a Facebook story. Let`s make no mistake about it.

SCHACHER: Yes, there`s red flags on Facebook, on Facebook, on social media, for all her friends and family to see.

PINSKY: This is the thing about social media. Were the Facebook posts something we should have responded to or be brought down? Are they intrusive?

SCHACHER: You tell me. Let our audience tell us. So, here`s two examples. OK?

On May 1st, she posted, "And to think we left the wildcard out of the game, and that`s how the queen ran away with the joker back when we still played poker."

And then on May 3rd, these are way in contrast to her other posts, OK? And then on May 3rd, she wrote, quote, "You have to become the most brilliant in order to become the most ignorant."

PINSKY: So wild, wacky.

SCHACHER: Different. Yes. Up and down. Drastic.

PINSKY: Leeann, do we take every weird post and go, be careful of that person, never know what`s going to happen next?

TWEEDEN: No, absolutely not. Sometimes people like to post weird things, Dr. Drew. But when you have somebody -- right, when you have a history of somebody that is schizophrenic, or doing different things? Why are there more people surrounding her, knowing she has a child, "a", you could probably hurt yourself or a loved one.

Now, they were saying that she lived with her mom. What I`ve heard she was not living with her mother, but when people call your mom, if somebody called me and said, I`m worried about something your husband is doing or whatever, I would do something.

I mean, you`re reading those Facebook posts. They don`t even make sense. That`s scary to me. I didn`t even know this woman. To know that poor child was screaming while she was stabbing him breaks my heart. I have my young son --

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PINSKY: By the way, if you want to she how cute her young son it, look on Instagram. We couldn`t stand it. He was so cute.

But this is something that Nancy was saying during her show about Schenecker which is the person, the person who`s supposed to protect you become the perpetrator of violence against you.

And she`s sick, Anahita. So, my question is -- what are the ways to protect people from themselves when they have severe illnesses that cause them to do things they wouldn`t do in their right mind?

ANAHITA SEDAGHATFAR, ATTORNEY: That`s a good question, Dr. Drew. That`s something I was wondering, was she being treated for her mental illness? Was she taking medication?

PINSKY: Yes, but what if she didn`t want to take her medicine? That`s what we see all the time. People don`t have to take their medicine, Anahita, law says that.

SEDAGHATFAR: Right. And that`s something that you and I talk about all the time as a doctor, as a physician, it`s very frustrating because you have your hands tied behind your back.

Now, legally speaking, I can tell you where this case is going to go. She`s going to plead not guilty by reason of insanity. We already know she has a mental illness, she`s schizophrenic, she`s been diagnosed with bipolar disorder.

And let me be clear. We`ve had this debate before. There`s a distinction between being mentally ill and being legally insane.

PINSKY: Right.

SEDAGHATFAR: To be legally insane, you have to not know the difference between right and wrong at the time of the crime.

PINSKY: Well, Anahita, she believed she was saving this child from being possessed by the devil or a crazy delusional.

Segun, what do you think ought to happen here?

SEGUN ODUOLOWU, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: Kill her. Kill her and make her public. Before all of you shoot me down, I pose this to you, Dr. Drew -- 100 doctors for 100 years could analyze her mind and not come to a consensus. But idiot on the street knows what she did. She`s 29 years old, she killed an 8-year-old. Not an 8-year-old special needs kid. An 8- year-old in a charter school.

She posted things on Facebook, basically reaching out. And she knew she was mentally ill. We need to make punishments for actions like this so heinous that no mentally ill person is ever going to go off their meds because we will treat them as such. An 8-year-old was stabbed to death.

PINSKY: Well, I`ll tell you what? Now, the mob is going to kick in. So, we`ll see how the mob behaves on social media. That kind of stuff that`s inflammatory, people love that on social media.

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ODUOLOWU: Listen, I`m not meaning in to be inflammatory. I mean it.

PINSKY: I know you mean it. I don`t want to see you after the show. You kind of scare me. Maybe you need to it take your meds, Segun.

Next up, who did this mom suffer from? We`ll talk about that. We`ll get the behavior bureau in. And how something that -- as Anahita was saying, mental illness versus legally insane. We`ll get back with that after this.

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PINSKY: I am back with Samantha Schacher.

A 29-year-old mom charged with second-degree murder in the stabbing death of her own 8-year-old son. She had been diagnosed with bipolar and schizophrenia just recently. People close to her had been alarmed by a string of bizarre Facebook posts. And you were saying people should learn how to use social media to see those things.

SCHACHER: We are all on Facebook, on Twitter. So, use social media as a tool especially with friends and family members that you know are suffering from some sort of mental illness because you can see their symptoms just by paying attention.

PINSKY: And it sounds kind of like, oh, I wouldn`t know. You know. You know when people are thinking bizarre things, if people start saying they have funny thoughts, people are beaming thoughts into their head, paranoid.

Report that. Keep an eye on that. I`m just saying. Maybe a very important tool for the future.

Speaking to that, let`s bring in behavior bureau. Bershan Shaw, life coach, star of "Love in the City", Saturdays, 10:00 on the OWN network, Danine Manette, criminal investigator and author of "Ultimate Betrayal", Erica America, Z100 Radio personality and psychotherapist.

So, Erica, I want to start with just quickly, a little review on schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. Schizophrenia, these are illnesses that come on in young adulthood. Bipolar, used to call it manic depression, these wide swings of mood, when people can become manic and become quite crazy when they`re manic.

Schizophrenia, where people have thought disturbances. They believe people are out to get them or may believe people are beaming thoughts into their head. They may be disconnected from reality, auditory, visual hallucinations.

Anything you want to add to that, Erica?

ERICA AMERICA, Z100 RADIO: Well, it means that she has two access one disorders that are very difficult to deal with, bipolar disorder like you said on the mood side, schizophrenia on the (INAUDIBLE).

But they do have something in common in that it does involve or can involve psychosis. With the bipolar when you get into the manic state, if it becomes really extreme, or on other side, where it`s just hallucinations.

PINSKY: Erica, straighten this out. How that, what you mean by psychotic? How that could be -- what this woman had, the fact she thought she was saving her children from the devil was signs of those psychotic disturbances.

AMERICA: Oh, absolutely. So, we say with psychosis, it`s hallucinations and delusions. You`re delusional. You believe you`re saving your son.

So, she sounds like she was in a period of psychosis. People with these disorders can go on to live somewhat normal lives. You have to be very involved with the illness but have to take medication, medication management is important, as well as psychotherapy.

So, the monitoring is a key thing here. So, I`m wondering where were her doctors and also when all the friends and family called the mother, did the mother who was then, you know, I`m guessing about -- did she call to the doctors?

PINSKY: Well, listen, let`s just talk about Newtown, Connecticut. Moms can be in denial very easily. They don`t like to acknowledge their kids are sick. This woman was recently diagnosed. She may not have understood the spectrum of the disorder yet or educated about it.

Bershan, I see you shaking your head here. What are you thinking?

BERSHAN SHAW, LIFE COACH: Yes, I think it`s time we have to stop pushing mental illness under the carpet. We`re afraid to talk about it. We`re embarrassed. We don`t want to do the work and really get help.

When we hear our children, our family members are dealing with mental illness, we`re embarrassed about it. But we need to stop that.

I`m glad we have a Facebook. We have these social media outlets to get the help we need. Mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, wake up. Get the help. Call the doctors. Go in to the doctors. Get the help for your children.

I`m sorry, because we`re seeing all of these killings and it`s happening over and over again.

PINSKY: To be fair -- to be fair, the people with mental illness are more likely to hurt themselves or be hurt by other people than hurt someone else.

But let`s get off the clinical spectrum for a second -- Danine, you always straighten us out here. I`m wondering what your thoughts are on this case.

DANINE MANETTE, CRIMINAL INVESTIGATOR: Well, you know, the thing is this, Dr. Drew. Certain situation are going to happen and this is a situation where it seems like people were aware and tried to reach out to the mom and they tried to do things to help and alert and this fell through the cracks.

This is going to happen. People are going to fall through the cracks. We can`t be everywhere all the time and see what everyone is doing in their homes.

What I`m hoping we can accomplish by having this dialogue all the time is that people who have mental illnesses, themselves, can take responsibility as best they can for their own care. Recognize that they need to continue to take their medication. Recognize that they need to have a list of people that have the phone numbers for their doctors and a key to their home and note on file to pick up their kid from school. To do the things that are proactive for themselves when they find maybe they could be getting off track so other people can help them. You can`t be everywhere all the time.

SCHACHER: Right. I`m with you, Danine. Here`s my question to you, Dr. Drew. Take this home for us.

Here`s the thing. For someone that is suffering from a severe mental illness and starting to act erratic or have these delusions, are they aware enough to go get help or is it on the family to go and help them?

PINSKY: It depends on the circumstance. Some people can, are aware they`re starting to compensate and are interested in being helped. Some because of the nature of the condition are very much resistant. In fact, their paranoia prevents them from accepting the help from people. So, it can be really a problem.

Here`s the thing I want to be careful about. Do not stigmatize people with this kind -- with any sort of illness. We are biological beings. And as a result, we have a brain, we get brain disorders. We have a heart, we get heart disorders. It`s just an organ in our body. And when it has a problem, a disorder, the manifestations can be unpleasant and disturb relationships in people`s lives.

It doesn`t have to. We need people around the individual who may have distortions in what`s happening to them to step in and support them and not deny it, not be ashamed of it. Nothing to be ashamed of it.

Erica is giving me the two thumbs up. I see on the screen down there.

All right. We`re going to go on to the next story in just a second.

Family and friends, it`s a disturbing story. And it`s another thing that -- it`s another story that played out online. A marine commits suicide and he posts the whole thing on Facebook.

The photos do not come down for a while. The family says they should have. Facebook says no. We`ll find out why when we come back.

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PINSKY: I`m back with Sam. We`re going to talk about a story that bothered me.

It`s a veteran. His name is Daniel Wolf (ph), and he documented his suicide on Facebook. There were a series of bloody photos and cryptic messages.

Then once he had completed the act, it took quite a while for these posts to come down. Here`s some of the things he put before he started putting the grislier stuff up. He said, quote, "The only fight I lost was the one to myself." Quote, "When my body moves no more, give me a Vikings funeral."

Sam, this is exactly what you were talking about in terms of social media being a potentially --

SCHACHER: You can see the symptoms. You can.

PINSKY: Respond to it.

SCHACHER: Especially when it comes to suicide, because we use social media, Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, to connect to people.

So, when you`re reaching out and calling out, that`s where you`re going to go to today. Things are different.

PINSKY: That`s where we need to monitor. I know Facebook goes to great lengths to do so. They really have a nice monitoring system in place.

SCHACHER: I mean, they`re quick to take down a boob shot. But then when someone leaves these types of photos it takes some days? Not OK in my book.

PINSKY: We`re going to get into all that.

Now, I want to say, first, a friend who saw the posts tried to find Daniel but didn`t. There were people responding to this as it got worse. Police found his body days later in an abandoned home surrounded by half empty bottles of alcohol.

Let`s bring my panel in. Segun, Leeann, Anahita.

And, Segun, I hope you`ll reserve capital punishment for other things than this case.

ODUOLOWU: No, but, Dr. Drew, I`m going to be honest with you. This makes me the most mad, because where`s the compassion for our heroes? We treat them like broken toys when they come back from the war and have this guy posting suicide pictures on an Internet Web site, and then his family, when the society shows him no dignity as he`s living, the Internet site won`t take the pictures down until days later of his suicide?

But people get on my case because a mother stabs a kid but we have no compassion for our heroes that do something worth fighting for? It`s disgusting.

PINSKY: Leeann, first?

TWEEDEN: You know, my husband is currently deployed.

PINSKY: Yes, I do.

TWEEDEN: I`m a military spouse. This is something very close to my heart.

And the problem is we have veterans returning that aren`t getting -- that -- we need to help them as a society. We need to help them as a community. Help them reintegrate into civilian life. They need mentorship. They need renewed purpose.

I mean, they get out of the military and have a job to do. Sometimes they get back into civilian world and don`t know what to do. They can`t find a job, don`t know how to change their resume. They need empathy.

PINSKY: I could not agree with you more. However, this guy had a severe head injury as well.

TWEEDEN: TBI.

PINSKY: Traumatic brain injury, which makes him regress, makes him have mood disturbances.

ODUOLOWU: But, Dr. Drew, they saw him in the neighborhood. The policemen are on record saying he didn`t seem like a harm to anyone so let him drift around.

TWEEDEN: Dr. Drew, may I say one thing?

PINSKY: Leeann, go ahead.

TWEEDEN: There`s a group out there called Gallant Few and what they do is they connect like-minded people, other service combat veterans, because you know what happens when a combat veteran comes back, he doesn`t want to talk to a normal doctor that has no idea what he went through.

ODUOLOWU: Absolutely.

TWEEDEN: He wants to talk to a peer. He wants to talk somebody who`s been blown up, who`s been to Afghanistan or Iraq, that understands what he`s going through.

SCHACHER: And, Leeann, to your point, it`s not a coincidence these poor soldiers, not only the ones on active duty but veterans have such an alarming rate of suicide.

TWEEDEN: Exactly.

SCHACHER: If they`re not killed overseas or when they`re fighting sacrificing for our freedom, they come back sheltering themselves and suffering from PTSD.

PINSKY: It isn`t quite secret, yes.

SCHACHER: And, yes, the V.A. has a lot of resources but not nearly enough for mental health.

TWEEDEN: Understand, too, Sam, that actually the suicide rate, the reasons that they`re committing suicide is actually the reason as a civilian side. It`s mental health issues. They have issues --

PINSKY: But special -- they have special --

TWEEDEN: They have manic depression and alcohol abuse.

PINSKY: They have a special problem with PTSD and unwillingness to get treatment for that. They`d rather use what they`ve been trained to do which is --

ODUOLOWU: Why can`t we, Dr. Drew, help them?

PINSKY: Hold on, everybody. We`re getting off topic here.

Anahita, you`ve been waiting quietly. I have to get a phone call. But I let make your comment. Go ahead.

SEDAGHATFAR: Well, I mean, everyone got the point here because when I was reading the story, the issue was Facebook waited three days, they waited four days. That was kind of missing point.

I`m shocked everyone on the panel got the point and the issue is being able to diagnose and treat soldiers that come home that have mental illness, PTSD.

PINSKY: But maybe Facebook can be a tool that we should be using better. Maybe V.A., veterans affairs can be the monitor. Maybe they do. I don`t know.

ODUOLOWU: Before the computer, can it come from us? Can we as a society actually care about the real heroes?

TWEEDEN: Maybe the military can screen them before they even go in.

PINSKY: I want to bring in a gentleman, James Battles. He served with Daniel Ray Wolf and one of the first people to respond to the post on Facebook.

So, thank you, sir, for joining us and for your service as well.

Tell us what your thoughts are on this case. What we can do, what you did and what your feelings are about it?

SGT. JAMES BATTLES, SERVED WITH SUICIDAL MARINE (via telephone): Thank you, Dr. Drew, and others, for having me on your show.

Actually I concur with a lot of what you guys are saying. A lot of veterans are having a hard time adjusting back into the civilian sector. I know I was one of those few in the beginning when I was medically retired from the Marine Corps with some TBI and other related issues.

PINSKY: What do we need to do and -- let me ask you this. What did you do for this gentleman? What did you try to do? How did it not work out for you?

They didn`t take the post down. The family wanted the post down. They wouldn`t take them down.

And then you guys tried to reach out and find him and you couldn`t. Is that pretty much what happened?

BATTLES: That`s exactly what happened. Everyone was pulling together. A lot of us, we used Facebook as a way to help each other out. Just like you guys said. We come out here and we`re not well received.

Even when we go to utilize the V.A., they want to give you pills and come on, TBI and giving people opiates don`t mix. It actually creates more of a problem, I believe.

PINSKY: Of course. Of course.

BATTLES: You`re trying to get help and you`re shut out and -- now what I`m hearing from a lot of veterans coming out, it`s almost a year-long process to get a claim going.

ODUOLOWU: Wow.

BATTLES: Not even just that, we have a lot of veterans out here who aren`t getting prosthetics properly fit.

ODUOLOWU: Oh my God.

BATTLES: The guys get pay cuts. A lot of guys that are struggling and the V.A. is taking money away from them.

PINSKY: James, I feel like we could dedicate a whole show to this.

ODUOLOWU: Oh, yes.

TWEEDEN: They`re failing our heroes.

PINSKY: I hope -- let me -- producers, do me a huge favor. On our Web site, let`s post resources people can go to.

TWEEDEN: Gallant Few, please?

PINSKY: Gallant Few for Leeann, and let`s get some other stuff up there. Talk to Sergeant Battles. See what he`s supporting. Let`s put them up on hlntv.com.

ODUOLOWU: Thank you, sir.

SCHACHER: Thank you, Sergeant.

TWEEDEN: Reach out for help and thank you for your service.

PINSKY: Next up, we`re going to talk to the behavior bureau about what this is, why somebody who is so capable would take their own life. And what about Facebook`s decision to leave the suicide photos up for so long? We`re going to get into that, so please stay with us.

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PINSKY: Back with Sam. Now, Sam, Facebook finally deleted the account of the marine we were discussing who documented his own suicide by posting a series of really unpleasant images on his Facebook page. Facebook says they don`t remove content that could be a public cry for help no matter how grizzly. You get it? I mean, it`s a double -- this is thing about social media. We`re wondering, oh my God, what are the limits of this? You know, everything is always happening publicly now, nothing is private. And yet, the fact that nothing is private, something like this is not private and somebody could help. As you were seeing, you were to watch.

SAMANTHA SCHACHER, DR.DREW ON CALL CO-HOST: Yeah.

PINSKY: You were saying we should read and respond to social media.

SCHACHER: Absolutely. Well, look at his friends. Let`s say his friends were able to connect with him, and gets to him.

PINSKY: And with each other, in order to organize to that term.

SCHACHER: And there`s a lot -- we often harp on social media. There are so many benefits. One of them is to be aware of symptoms, be there for your friends, and take note.

PINSKY: Educate.

SCHACHER: And have support groups. So, there are a lot of things that.

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PINSKY: Well, and the majority of you on our Facebook page agreed saying -- had been found in time, we`d be sitting there, praising Facebook and not wonder why they didn`t take things down sooner.

SCHACHER: Yes.

PINSKY: Join me to discuss, Dr. Dan Reindenberg is director of S.A.V.E., Suicide Awareness Voices of Education. And Dan, just -- I would like to ask you`re an expert in this area if it pertains to Facebook and social media, did the system work, at least insofar it is -- as it was able to for this veteran?

DR. DAN REINDENBERG, SUICIDE AWARENESS VOICES OF EDUCATION: Absolutely it worked. It did what it was supposed to do, which was provide an opportunity for people to connect, and that`s exactly what they did. They reached out to him. They tried everything they could. They actually followed the reporting feature within Facebook. Facebook took all the steps that they could, you know, unfortunately we had a tragic outcome for this individual. But actually the system worked just fine.

PINSKY: Is there reason they didn`t take the photos down quicker? Is that maybe a little gaffe here that we should just -- part of the learning curve of dealing with things like this?

REINDENBERG: Well, you know, the timing of it is hard. We have some people who die by suicide and people want the pictures up forever. Some people want them down right away. And the timing of when he was found versus when they were taken down also makes a difference. So, whether it was not quick enough, those are all things that we`re looking at. And how we could make it happen sooner to protect other people because we really want to protect against contagion.

PINSKY: Contagion, yes, which is another issue.

SCHACHER: Absolutely.

PINSKY: Thank you, Dr. Reidenberg, I appreciate. Are you going to show the contagious report for those out there?

SCHACHER: I do. I do understand.

PINSKY: He means that people copycat. We do copycat. There is a contagious element to behaviors that are problematic. Let`s bring in behavior bureau, perfect time for them to come in. Bersean is back, Danine, and Erica. Now, Daniel suffered a traumatic brain injury, when his Humvee came under attack in Iraq. One if his buddy was killed, friends say, this guy was never the same. Erica, you know what we`re talking about here. What are your thoughts?

ERICA AMERICA: Yeah. No, I mean, back the way you guys are talking about before, we have to spend a lot of time with veterans. I just -- was speaking, I can`t remember the name of this non-profit organization that their main focus was to decrease suicides in people who came back from war, because not only is there PTSD, but it`s whatever (inaudible) you know, pre -- what they have, depression, bipolar disorder, whatever it is. And then there`s not -- the --

PINSKY: The system.

AMERICA: Military is not setting -- the system is not setting them up to.

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PINSKY: I would disagree. I`m going to ask, Danine, about this. I think they are trying -- I know there`s issues still, but I`ve seen it -- I`ve been practicing for almost 30 years and I`ve seen when the VA when it was not good. And I`ve what they`ve been trying to do in the last five, ten years and it`s been dramatically different, but the biggest problem, Danine, I`ve seen is getting the veterans in. They don`t want to go to the groups. They don`t wanna deal with it many times.

DANINE MANETTE, CRIMINAL INVESTIGATOR: I think that there`s a stigma, as we all know, around mental health care that there`s a stigma. And I also -- and really concerned about their ability to trust the people -- the caretakers that they`re dealing with. They`ve come from an environment where they`ve got to be on guard. Everything happens so fast. It`s life or death. And then to then -- try and reincorporate themselves back into society is a very difficult thing for them to do.

PINSKY: Yes.

MANETTE: I think that they have a lot of trouble with that.

PINSKY: And Bershan, what they`re doing is they have to give it up, they have to surrender to a process when they`ve been told never to surrender.

SCHACHER: Good point.

BERSHAN SHAW: I think.

PINSKY: Bershan.

SHAW: Oh, sorry. I think you`re right. I think we really have to do the work, America. We have to really come through for mental health. I`m sorry. With these veterans, with everyone, we have to really have a support system for them. And it`s sad that these veterans are left alone with no help. We really do have to give them help, support.

PINSKY: So, we`re all agreeing on this, but there`s a piece of this that`s so interesting to me, that`s what we`re really sort of slogging our way through tonight which is how social media is going to work for us and/or against us. I think it`s going to be a double-edged sword. I think for the most part, once we learn how to use it, and what the signs are and what to do when, whatever those signs are we`re reading, I think it could be a really important tool in the future. Yes, there are going to be issues. It`s a new medium. We`re just learning about it. But I think it`s something that`s going to have a massive impact. I just read a medical article today who said in mental health, it may be more important than any other health domain in terms of understanding and detecting problematic health issues.

Next, if you want to pretend to be someone you`re not, you`re going to need a fake Facebook profile. So, meet this cat fisher, 31-year-old woman who allegedly tried to pass her off as a 15-year-old and she succeed and it was not good. As many catfish experiences are not good. We`ll tell you about it after this.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I sympathize with her and invite her into my home.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Tamika Lincoln says back in March charity told her she was 15 and needed a place to stay.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She gave me the story about being abused by her biological father then he passed away and her biological mother is dead.

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PINSKY: Back with Sam, Leeann, Danine and Erica. And this is the story that you guys have been re-tweeting and favoriting the most. Pictures are from Facebook, and there shocking especially, when you see them next to her mug shot. Again, police say 31-year-old Charity Johnson had been posing as a 15-year-old high school student for the last six months.

SCHACHER: Wow.

PINSKY: All right. Sam, what do we know about this story?

SCHACHER: Oh, my God. First of all, she doesn`t look 15. And I can`t imagine going back to high school, you couldn`t pay me.

PINSKY: That`s her fake catfish picture, right?

SCHACHER: She doesn`t look like no 15-year-old, but I went to high school with.

PINSKY: Fair enough.

SCHACHER: But talk about a throwback Thursday. OK. So, first and foremost, the lady that we saw in the video, as soon as she realized something was up, she did notify police. Then on Charity`s Facebook page, the 31/15-year- old in question, on her Facebook page, four other women came forward and said that Charity contacted them. Also, a couple from Dallas, Charity did the same exact thing to them. So, she has been arrested. She is in jail on $500 bond.

PINSKY: For what?

SCHACHER: For giving false information to a police officer.

PINSKY: Oh. That`s interesting.

SCHACHER: Well, she probably lied about her age. She probably gave some fake I.D., the same I.D., her school I.D.

PINSKY: I see.

SCHACHER: She`s not 15. She`s 31.

PINSKY: Danine, one of the early tweets, we`ve got a lot of tweets up there, and people are sort of calling her all kinds of less than colorful - - they call her colorful things. What do you think is going on?

MANETTE: Well, I mean, I think all of us could pass for 16, right? I know I can. Anyway, a lot of people are feeling sorry for her and I`m just not one of them. Adults have no business going to school with high school kids. They have no business fraternizing with them. They have no business raising the curve in the classroom, you know, taking the tests alongside them. They have no business fraternizing. And not only should I -- do I think she needs to be charged with some type of false information, but this is a trespassing issue. She had no right to be on campus. So, they need to vote some trespass.

PINSKY: Leeann, this is -- to me this is all distortion associated with cat fishing, what are we gonna do about it?

LEEANN TWEEDEN: Right. Well, I mean, obviously, she`s a scam artist and she was out there fishing for different people. I mean, it seems to be that she`s been doing it to 10, 12 other people and somebody actually took the bait. That woman took her in, you know, gave her a roof over her head, fed her three meals a day. And she`s like, you know, I think I`m just gonna go to school as a 15-year-old. I mean, what made her even think she could pass off as a sophomore?

PINSKY: So, it`s that how far it went?

SCHACHER: Oh, yeah. They bought her clothes and food. Absolutely.

TWEEDEN: Yeah. Took care of her.

PINSKY: That`s craziness. Erica, it is a trespassing issue. Don`t you agree?

ERICA AMERICA: You`re talking to me?

PINSKY: Yeah, you`re Erica, right?

AMERICA: Yeah. You know, I`m sorry. I was having issues with the audio.

SCHACHER: Maybe she was catfishing.

AMERICA: No, I do the less -- I don`t agree with anybody here. Sorry. I`m on the side of this girl. I don`t think we have enough information yet to know what was going on with her. Yes, she misled people and lied, but did she hurt anyone? Did she abuse anyone? Maybe she has a mental illness. Maybe she had a horrible abuse or something like that. Maybe she`s just trying to recreate her family? I just think that there`s two ways of looking at it positively or negatively. And I`m not looking at it that way until I have more information. I`m not gonna pass someone.

SCHACHER: If she was a man?

PINSKY: What if she was man, Erica? What if she was a man trespassing in someone`s household? Stealing in a weird way.

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AMERICA: .she wanted a loving house.

PINSKY: I don`t know. I have a real problem with catfishing in general. It hurts people. I think we need to step up and bring consequences where we can.

Next up, you guys are burning up our Twitter feed with this one. It`s the drama teacher who married the student. Turns out, shocking, other students are coming forward saying the teacher hit on them on well. We will talk to one of those students.

Reminder, you can find us any time on Instagram @drdrewhln. We`re back after this.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you have sex with a 16-year-old girl?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A drama teacher marries his 16-year-old student with the consent of her mother.

PINSKY: The problem is she had sex before they tied the knot.

TWEEDEN: First of all the guy is scum. I`m sure he`s preyed on other little girls he`s taught before.

HO: At age 16, they barely know right from wrong.

SCHACHER: She said I love having sex with you, that was before they got married.

PINSKY: That was enough. OK. Fair enough. There it is right there.

MICHELLE FIELDS: Believe me, he doesn`t love you. He`s doing this so he doesn`t go to jail for what he`s been doing to you.

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PINSKY: Back with Sam. And the question is that, Leeann, brought up, was he`s doing the other little girls, was he inappropriately texting or pursuing other underage girls? A former student tells a T.V. station in Houston it was well known that this teacher was having -- apparently having sex, not just pursuing, but having sex with other students. That student, Chelsi Wright and her mom, Brandi, will join us in just a second. Chelsi says the teacher called himself -- you tell them what.

SCHACHER: He called himself a Honduran hot cake, yeah, because he`s so sexy.

PINSKY: Her mom says she contacted Child Welfare Authorities and nothing. Nothing happens. Let`s bring in the panel, Segun, Anahita, Danine. Segun, you`ve had your knife sharpened all day. Go ahead.

SEGUN ODUOLOWU: Oh, no. I love this, because I want all the bleeding hearts in the mental health community to tell me how a paedophile who`s operating and systemically destroying the lives of little girls, you want to rehab him? What if it was your daughter? That I`m the bad guy, when I talk about a mom who stabs her kid, but you want to rehab all the mental health? There is no rehabbing a paedophile.

PINSKY: Well.

ODUOLOWU: Danine, remember last show, when you said that the only way to rehab a serial rapist is to shoot them. Are you going on my side now?

MANETTE: I didn`t say the that.

ODUOLOWU: Yes, you did.

MANETTE: That`s not what I said. I said the only way I`ve seen a serial sex offender rehabilitated is with a bullet.

ODUOLOWU: Thank you.

MANETTE: That`s what I said. The only way I have seen. Not the only way to do it.

PINSKY: And let me say -- and Segun, let me come to my own defense here, and say, what I`ve always said, which is, once you act out on a child, forget it. It`s not the legal system. Now, it`s the punitive system.

ODUOLOWU: But we can kill the mom, like we can castrate him. Can we castrate him?

PINSKY: Well, he kind of knows what he`s doing, and the point is that he should have gotten help long before he did anything like this. He`s definitely connected to reality. Anahita, help me on this. This is not even anywhere in the realm of insanity.

ANAHITA SEDAGHATFAR: Yeah. This is difficult. I mean, in Segun`s world, Dr. Drew, we wouldn`t have a court system. We wouldn`t have trials. We wouldn`t even have a constitution. I don`t know. I.

PINSKY: I kind of like Segun`s world. Excuse me, Anahita, I`d like you around, but no attorneys around that sounds pretty good, actually.

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ODUOLOWU: Why can`t we do common sense? Why can`t we use common sense? He`s a paedophile. I don`t need a trial.

PINSKY: Anahita, go ahead.

ODUOLOWU: I don`t need a trial for a paedophile.

SEDAGHATFAR: I think, you`re going down a very dangerous slippery slope, when you start making these accusations, and saying we should just immediately castrate a paedophile and put to death somebody who possibly could be mentally ill and kills her child. Look, we have a criminal justice system for a reason. In this particular case, Dr. Drew, what really bothers me, aside from the fact he is a paedophile, he`s admitted to sleeping with his girl, is that this student that you`re going to have on, she complained, she did the right thing. She told her mom.

PINSKY: And nothing happened.

SEDAGHATFAR: And nothing happened.

ODUOLOWU: That`s why you kill them.

PINSKY: Let`s bring her in. This is Chelsi Wright and her mom, Brandi. And Chelsi, you say a lot of people knew about this teacher`s inappropriate behaviour, but nothing was being done, is that right?

CHELSI WRIGHT, TEACHER SEXUALLY HARASSED HER: That is right. Yeah. And he was texting a lot of the students all the time and everyone involved with - - all of the president, everyone, they all knew about it, it was brought attention by several different parents, not just my mom and they continuously did nothing to stop it.

PINSKY: And Brandi, I -- you know, I`m sympathetic -- Sam and I were talking about this, because your mom is a teacher. And the idea of ruining a teacher`s reputation if it`s not founded in good fact, but Brandi, you say there was good evidence and you tried to do something and still nothing was done.

BRANDI WRIGHT, CHELSI`S MOM: Absolutely. Nothing was done. I -- when my daughter brought this to my attention, it was because he was making threats to her. And so, you know, I immediately reacted. I contacted the director of the academy she was going to. I told them everything that I knew. I forwarded them the text messages, which were very explicit. He had snapshots. One was standing in front of a mirror and he was in his boxers. Saying to all these little girls, I like T.I.T.C.A.T.S. that pull down my britches. So, I brought it to the attention. The academy took it to the board. Now, I found out that that the board didn`t have all the right information and they voted to keep him.

PINSKY: Hold on, I just remember we have not yet independently confirmed what Brandi and Chelsi are saying. These are their allegations specifically.

SCHACHER: I cannot believe this. I can`t believe that this board is still allowed to be a board that this academy is allowed to be an art academy. I mean, you guys brought this evidence forward. And from my understanding from the reports that I looked at, there`s a number of reports. There was a lot of people that knew that this was a common knowledge.

PINSKY: Our counsellor is uncomfortable. Hurry, let`s bring it down stairs.

SCHACHER: Let`s talk about the fact really quickly he used to address his students as his Houston hoes. Can we talk about that?

SEDAGHATFAR: Are you going to hate lawyers when I tell you, that if more girls come forward this school is going to face huge, huge civil liability, because they say they conducted an investigation yet they found no evidence of wrongdoing. How much more evidence do they need? I think, the school is in big, big trouble.

ODUOLOWU: But Anahita, how much more evidence do you need, as a lawyer, when I say that the court of common sense, when you have a mother and her daughter doing everything that`s right and nobody believes them, come on.

PINSKY: Brandi, how many women -- do you know how many girls have come forward?

MRS. WRIGHT: Yeah. I`ve been in contact with the police department and just because my daughter was on -- did a news segment the other day, four girls, four additional girls have come forward. That`s what our plea is right now is for everyone to come forward because the list -- this goes back 15 years is what I`ve been told.

ODUOLOWU: Thank you, Brandi.

PINSKY: Let me, Brandi, if I can just speak to, Chelsi, just real quick. Chelsi, listen. I`m sorry you went through this. I hope it will not cause you to distrust authority and in particularly not distrust men. This is a gentleman who is not well, it`s not OK with anything he did. And I hope you feel supported by adults. Do you?

WRIGHT: I do. A lot of people have been very supportive of me and I would just like to encourage any little girl who has this experience to come forward, because I know a lot of my friends who were going through the same thing had it a lot worse than I did.

PINSKY: OK. And let`s remind these girls that you`re appealing to that it`s not their fault. It`s nothing they did. They were preyed upon by a victimizer. None of it is OK. This is not men generally. This is this guy and he is sick and he`s a problem and he will pay.

Next up, busted on a bike. Actor Alec Baldwin tweeting again, this time he`s out. He`s calling out the police who took him in. We`ll be back with those tweets in just a minute.

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PINSKY: Alec tweeted New York City is a mismanaged carnival of stupidity.

SCHACHER: He said I got arrested for riding my bike in the opposite direction. No, you got cited for that. You got arrested because you were belligerent. You were rude. You are uncooperative.

JASON ELLIS: It`s a setup. Always in trouble. He could never be that dumb. You could never be that angry.

PINSKY: That`s right. He was charged with two counts of being Alec Baldwin.

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PINSKY: NBC`s Jimmy Fallon, my panel a few days ago making fun of Alec Baldwin`s recent arrest. I don`t think it`s funny, though, Sam, you`re worked up about this one. Back with Sam, Segun, Anahita, and Erica. He`s making sure, he gets the final say, well, where else, on twitter? The question is, Sam, should he be just shutting up like Mr. Sterling or is he making things worse for himself?

SCHACHER: Well, since we last talked about him on Tuesday, he`s tweeted ten more times about his side of the arrest as well as calling out the officer. And Dr. Drew, I`m sorry, first world problems. I`m sure that all the people that follow you, their problems are much more than what he`s dealing with. I`m sick and tired of hearing him complain and complain and complain. Own up, get some help and move on, and stay off Twitter.

PINSKY: Segun. I don`t know about that. I think, he has got some anger management issues.

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SCHACHER: So, get help.

ODUOLOWU: This one`s coming right back at you, Sam. If this was a regular guy who Actually reported about police treating him bad, we`d look at it differently.

SCHACHER: Segun, he`s a circus.

ODUOLOWU: Hold on a second. Hold on a second. He had his phone call recorded when he talked to his daughter. He had paparazzi stalk him when he was out with his baby. If that was anybody else, not Alec Baldwin, we`d think about it differently. We would sympathize. I love the fact he`s belligerent. I lone the fact that he`s angry.

PINSKY: Hang on, Segun. Erica.

AMERICA: I don`t agree. Yes, he`s a very talented actor, Dr. Drew. I`ll give you that. But listen, there`s -- it`s not just a coincidence that he has multiple issues with paparazzi, multiple issues with the law. This is someone with an anger management problem or impulse control.

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PINSKY: Intermittently.

AMERICA: I`m just saying, someone was there that I know said he said very derogatory words to the police officer and that`s why he arrested him.

PINSKY: Anahita, I`m down to 20 seconds. Anahita, finish me up here.

SEDAGHATFAR: It`s not that sick of a deal. Come on. He`s not being charged with murder. He was riding his bike on the wrong side of the street. I say, keep tweeting. You have your right to tell your side of the story. I felt like I was a hot head, Dr. Drew. He makes me feel like I`m mother Teresa.

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SCHACHER: He`s rude when he`s talking about -- Segun, how are you applauding that? You think it`s okay to be that rude and disrespectful?

PINSKY: We`re going to stop there. DVR us any time, everybody. Forensic Files starts right now.

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