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@THISHOUR WITH BERMAN AND MICHAELA
Riot at Turkey Mine Disaster; Another Bizarre Turn in MH370 Search; Michael Sam Gets Reality Show; G.M. to Pay Over Recall Delay; Beyonce, Jay-Z Comment on Elevator Scuffle.
Aired May 16, 2014 - 11:30 ET
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JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: It's very interesting. In the United States when we have this kind of disaster, you see the government coming in to assist people, people rallying around the relief effort. Here it seems to be a very much a pitched battle of rhetoric between those effected by the mine disaster and the government itself.
The prime minister even said something highly controversial. He said, hey, mine disasters happen all the time, almost seemed to be downplaying the situation. That only infuriated the mining families and the victims there.
MICHAEL PEREIRA, CNN ANCHOR: Again, many lives were lost right in the beginning. Some rescues were made. You can see how violent this is getting. People stomped on the ground. You can tell temperatures are flaring.
Our Ivan Watson is on scene and we've been working to establish to get contact with him.
Ivan, give us an idea where you are and what we're seeing.
PEREIRA: Obviously communication is really difficult warnings but the pictures speak a thousand words when you look at the anger coming on the part of the protesters, the reaction of the riot police there involved that.
BERMAN: Again, the unrest has spread at times beyond this town. This is something that's become a political incident there that could have serious ramifications for this government there.
I know Ivan is trying to re-establish contact. We will go back to him if we can, but, again, that's the scene in soma in turkey right now.
PEREIRA: We're going to take a short break. In a moment, @THISHOUR continues.
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MILES O'BRIEN, CNN AVIATION ANALYST: Isn't it awful that it's quite evident someone is lying here. Someone is lying. We're talking a missing airliner, 70 days, lives lost, families shattered, and there's people lying about this.
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PEREIRA: Another bizarre turn in the event of flight 370. A day after officials said they can't turn over the data to family because the satellite company has it.
BERMAN: Inmarsat says they handed over the data to the investigation team weeks ago. Malaysians say they don't have it.
Joining us to talk about this, our aviation analyst, Mary Schiavo, and our safety analyst, David Soucie.
David, let me ask you this. Is Miles right there? Who's lying about this? Either the Malaysians have the data or they don't.
DAVID SOUCIE, CNN SAFETY ANALYST: You know, there's a fine line between lying and ignorance, and I think that's kind of what we're looking at here, the fact that they don't even know they have the raw data. When you look at the analysis reports, and I've seen some of this in the past, they are mix. You have the analysis and raw data as part of that. Try to look at it at this level of math and complexity. It can appear they don't have the raw data. I think they do. They do have it. But they don't know they have the raw data. I don't know which is worse.
PEREIRA: Mary, let's go with the idea they say they don't have it. They're not misunderstanding they don't have it. What's in this data that could be so controversial that they don't want the families and the public to be made aware of it? Why could they be so closely guarded?
MARY SCHIAVO, CNN AVIATION ANALYST: Well, initially, what was said is Inmarsat said it was proprietary data or that it was attributed to Inmarsat who said it was, and we now know Inmarsat is using this to market to airlines for their service. So other than proprietary information, things the company developed that belong to them, you know, patentable, copyright, that kind of information. There's nothing in this data that could blow the investigation and it should be released. But I think David's right. I think they probably have it and don't realize that's all there is. I mean, sometimes when you're used to very technical investigations, you say, is that it? I think this is the "that's it" phenomenon.
BERMAN: David, this seems like a stupid argument? Shouldn't Inmarsat get in there and say, hey, guys, this is it. Turn it over and go ahead and do it?
SOUCIE: Well, of course, they should. I mean you look at Annex 13, of the IKO rules that say, if you're a parties to the investigation, that you're not supposed to release any information but Malaysia has the authority to release that. What we're missing here is the investigator in charge, the IIC (ph), the investigator in charge by Annex rules. And what that person does is says this person is part of the investigation, this person is not. Clearly, Malaysia said this is not part of the investigation. We don't have the raw data. So Inmarsat is free to release that information. I don't see why they wouldn't. It is just data. It has nothing to do with intellectual property. It has to do with just the facts, ma'am.
PEREIRA: It seems to go back, Mary, to sort this mix up, who's in charge, who's on first, et cetera, et cetera, that we were seeing early on in the investigation. I thought that's why the international committee was set up to, you know, avoid these kinds of issues?
SCHIAVO: Yes. At this point, it's very critical. I fear the investigation is in jeopardy of falling apart. They're seeking contributions to make up for the $90 million bill that they want for the investigation, and no one wants to do that if the investigation is in shambles. I'll bet if I'm a betting person, yeah, the NTSB has pulled their people back. They're not going sit around and wait. They have a lot of work to do. And I'll Boeing is a skeleton team. So already, we're seeing the effects. They're going have to put their cards on the table or they're going to go broke with this investigation.
BERMAN: All right, Mary Schiavo and David Soucie. They do seem to be walking that fine line between incompetence and malfeasance. You can see why the families are so outraged.
Coming up next, Michael Sam, the first openly gay man to be drafted into the NFL, now he's opening up his life to the cameras. His teammates, they aren't too excited about it.
PEREIRA: But first, we want to take a look at this week's "CNN Hero."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I initially got hurt in 2005. I had 46 surgeries and attempts to salvage the leg. I people decide on amputation. A lot of people view it as a loss, but I got my life back.
ROBYN BENINCASA, CNN HERO: Very often people are saying, OK, I survived, but now what. And we want to be that now what.
BENINCASA: I was a world-class adventure racer in the world championships. I hit the deck, and the doctor said, you're never going to run again.
I've had four hip replacements. After my first, I said, I'm just going to put something on my calendar so that I'm still training for something.
It just make use realize it's not about the setback. It's about the comeback. So I thought, let's do that for other women.
BENINCASA: I started an organization that helps survivors of medical or traumatic setbacks live an adventurous dream as part of their recovery.
This is about you going out there and being the badass that you are.
A strong kid. That a girl.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was in a place of such uncertainty, so finding the website was such a message of hope to me. Here was a group of women who understand it on a different level.
BENINCASA: Athena Girls.
BENINCASA: Yeah, baby.
Being an Athena, you're not just a survivor. You're an adventurer, we give them a different label to put on themselves, and it's something they become on their way to the finish line.
PEREIRA: As you know, every week we honor a "CNN Hero." You can nominate someone that you think should be recognized. You can do it at CNNheroes.com.
BERMAN: Michael Sam made history. He was the first openly gay player drafted by the NFL. Now he's made history again. He's the first gay player drafted by the NFL that has his own reality show on Oprah Winfrey Network. Now, the backlash.
PEREIRA: Some of the St. Louis Rams not so pleased to have cameras coming into the locker room focusing on the teammate who hasn't proved himself on the field. Some are slamming the smooch. Some say it was orchestrated for the cameras.
Dominic Romano is back with us, sports and entertainment attorney. Also here, Nischelle Turner, our entertainment correspondent.
Good to have you here.
Really an interesting conversation. One has to wonder. We've heard the critics, Dominic. Is this a good move for a guy who hasn't improved himself yet?
DOMINIC ROMANO, SPORTS & ENTERTAINMENT ATTORNEY: I'm going to go on the other side on this because I think we need to cut him a break, OK? Whether you like it or not, he's going to be the focus of the narrative. Why not tell the story. If we had footage of Jackie Robinson integrated back in the day, it would be not only interesting but it would be important for us to document. (CROSSTALK)
BERMAN: Jackie Robinson ended up being the MVP of the league. Mammal Sam was a seventh-round pick, not very good in the combine. Obviously, this is groundbreaking for the NFL and I want him to succeed there. He also went to Missouri, Mizzou, and I'm concerned about that because Nischelle Turner --
NISCHELLE TURNER, CNN ENTERTAINMENT CORRESPONDENT: Like you said, I am a Missouri Tiger and I roots for all things and all players from Missouri, so this does pain me. I saw the graphic. Too much too soon. I believe it's too much too soon. That's because it's a little bit hypocritical here. What he's said is I want to be a football player, that's it. Leave me alone. I want to play football. That's all I want to do.
ROMANO: But more than that.
TURNER: But that's not what he said.
ROMANO: Yeah, it's inevitable, right?
TURNER: He said, I want to be true to myself and to who I am. Let's be true to everything. The statement he put out, I actually understand where he said my focus is football. But if somebody can be helped with my story, then I want them to see it.
PEREIRA: Can we chalk this up to being the first time off, and trailblazers are the first. There's no rulebook on how this is supposed to go. Can we chalk it up to growing pains, of being a trailblazer?
ROMANO: Yes. Let's give him a break. There's going to be so much noise. Why not allow him to shape the narrative, see what he goes through. Let's not rush to judgment. We don't know how the series is going to be or what approach they're going to take. It might be very tasteful and it might be done well. Why --
TURNER: It will be. It will be.
ROMANO: Why won't we allow him his celebratory moment? If it were a heterosexual man kissing his girlfriend, would we be rushing to criticize? I think we should step back and see how it place out.
TURNER: This is Oprah. It's not going to be salacious. It will be done well. I don't think that's the issue. This is the only thing that's the issue. His issue is to be a football player regardless of what you think about this.
ROMANO: But who says he's not?
TURNER: Listen, listen, listen. Listen to what I'm saying. If you're trying to make the team and you're a seventh round draft pick, you have to devote your time to the game. Filming a reality series takes away from doing your job.
ROMANO: There's going to be cameras in his face at all times. You know that's going to happen. So why not --
PEREIRA: Is it going to help him focus? If he'll focus --
BERMAN: Will he be the first drafted or the first to play in the regular season?
TURNER: He could get cut.
ROMANO: Let's see how he does. Why rush to judgment.
TURNER: Are you going to watch? I'm going to watch.
ROMANO: I'm going to watch.
PEREIRA: Dominic, thank you so much for being here @THISHOUR.
Nischelle, we're going to held you here. We're going to talk about another interesting conversation.
BERMAN: First, a developing story. General Motors has agreed to pay the government $35 million.
PEREIRA: Yeah. It's a fine to settle a federal probe into G.M. delaying a recall for a decade. An ignition switch problem was tied to at least 13 deaths. The companies admitted to its employees that they knew of the problem as early as 2004 but G.M. did not start a recall until this February. Just a moment ago, at a news conference, the government said G.M. must change its ways.
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DAVID FRIEDMAN, NHTSA ACTING ADMINISTRATOR: The fact that G.M. took so long to report this defect says something was very wrong with the company's values. G.M. must rethink the corporate documents we reviewed, including training materials that explicitly discouraging employees from using words like "defect, dangerous, safety related," and many more essential terms for engineers and investigators to clearly communicate up the chain when they suspect a problem.
(END VIDEO CLIP) BERMAN: The settlement calls for G.M. to make internal changes that regulators say will help it do a better job of detecting safety problem. Despite the settlement, General Motors is not completely out the woods. The FBI is still investigation. G.M. could still face additional fines.
PEREIRA: Still to come @THISHOUR, you know the problem with Jay-Z's sister-in-law and his wife? Well, the trio finally commenting on that infamous elevator scuffle caught on security cameras. What does that say about Beyonce's brand?
BERMAN: What does it say about all of us, really?
PEREIRA: That's a better question.
PEREIRA: Well, it appears Jay-Z and Solange have made up. I know it's concerning to you after this crazy video of Solange, Beyonce's sister, punching her husband in the elevator went viral online. The family released a statement, saying, look, all is well.
BERMAN: Can I just say thank goodness this long national nightmare is other? The statement, "The most important thing is our family has worked through it. Jay and Solange each assumed their share of responsibility for what has occurred. Both have apologized to each other."
Let's bring in our entertainment correspondent, Nischelle Turner; and senior media correspondent, Brian Stelter, who hasn't been able to sleep for days because of this.
PEREIRA: He asked me the other day what the Solange was. So carry on.
TURNER: I'm speechless.
BERMAN: Nischelle, let me start with you.
Is this now a done deal? They've dealt with this, the Jay-Z/Beyonce machine has now completely put this to bed?
TURNER: If you believe they've really made up after seeing that tape, I mean, I don't think it's all done. I think there's still some side eye going on because that was a full-on rage. I don't think I could be over it in ten days. Eventually, could I get over it, eventually, can they get over it? Yes. But 10 days later, no. This is just a sit down and shut up and leave us alone statement.
PEREIRA: So, Brian, the machine has scrubbed it and issued this statement. You can look at that statement, as she said, the old side eye to the statement, because talk about managing their pr, did it succeed or not?
BRIAN STELTER, SENIOR MEDIA CORRESPONDENT & HOST, RELIABLE SOURCES: Well, I think what they're trying to do is never have to mention it again. This way, now they have a statement out. If they're questioned about it in interviews in the future, on the red carpet or something, they can say, well, we put out a statement, that's behind us, we're not going to say anything more. I don't think that will work. That almost never works. We're seeing that right now with "The New York Times," they forced out the editor, the publisher tried to issue a statement and be done with it, it's not working there either. It probably won't work but I understand why they're trying.
BERMAN: Extra credit points for equating the executive editor of "The New York Times" with Solange.
Nischelle Turner, I have a prediction that Solange's second line, as we say, the second part of every sentence we hear about her for a long time will be Solange, the guy who beat up Jay-Z.
TURNER: The guy?
BERMAN: Woman, sorry, the woman who beat up Jay-Z.
TURNER: Her narrative needs s to be Beyonce's little sister. Now it's Solange, Beyonce's little sister who beat up Beyonce's husband. I suggested earlier, she needs to go make fun of herself. "Saturday Night Live," go be the musical guest, sing "Kung Fu Fighting."
PEREIRA: She's not known for doing that though, is she?
TURNER: No. They're not ones to put themselves out there. But we saw that video. It was that bad. She's got to do something to repair her image. Because she's in a world of hurt here with her image.
Nischelle Turner, I want you to take the weekend off because you've worked hard for us @THISHOUR.
TURNER: I'm going to L.A.
PEREIRA: You are? All right.
BERMAN: Check out the Clippers game.
TURNER: That was too soon, too soon, Berman.
PEREIRA: Could all of this family drama hurt Beyonce's soup are star career? You can find out on CNN's "Spotlight, Beyonce," 10:00 eastern here on CNN. Brian, don't move. We want to talk to you about something you had the chance to do. You had a conversation with the host of ABC's "Good Morning, America's" Robin Roberts this week.
BERMAN: She's a cancer survivor. She talks about her battle with her new book, "Everybody's Got Something."
Brian, tell us what Robin had to say.
STELTER: Continuing on this theme of powerful women. She talked every day. When she was away recovering from her illness, "GMA" talked every day about her and kept people up to speed. There was a lot people didn't know at the time. I talked to her about going to therapy after her surgery as a part of her recovery.
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ROBIN ROBERTS, CO-HOST, GOOD MORNING, AMERICA: I've been doing a lot more work lately with cancer survivorship. The millions of people who survive cancer after going through a lot of collateral damage with the medications and other things that have saved our life. I'm not ashamed to say I needed help. I needed to seek a therapist and do from time to time just because of the psyche. Because when you not once but twice have been at death's door and you're still standing and you go through this guilt of, why am I still here and others who have faced a similar situation? You hear from loved ones. So it is something that I think is very important. It's still a teachable moment for people.
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STELTER: Even someone like Robin Roberts. You think we've heard everything, but I was surprised to hear her talk about that.
BERMAN: I can't wait until this interview. I've never heard her talk so introspectively before.
Also, Brian, a lot to talk about on "Reliable Sources" with the whole "New York Times" thing. This is a huge week in the media. You cannot miss Brian Stelter's show "Reliable Sources," Sunday at 11:00 a.m. eastern time.
PEREIRA: Good to have you with us, Brian.
STELTER: Thank you.
PEREIRA: A California city wants to make bullying a crime. There are some, though, that are arguing that what they're doing is going just too far.
BERMAN: Carson will be one of the first cities in the country to criminalize bullying. They want to make it a misdemeanor. It will cover anyone bullied or bullying from age 5 to 25. The mayor of Carson, just outside of L.A., said many kids committed suicide because of taunting and physical threats. He says there needs to be a solution. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
JIM DEAR, MAYOR OF CARSON: This ordinance is designed to protect the victims of bullying. It also protects the bullies themselves in the sense that we now have adults who will be intervening in their lives to find out why they're doing the bullying. They naturally have to understand there are consequences.
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BERMAN: You can hear more of our conversation with Carson's mayor. Also with us, HLN legal analyst, Joey Jackson.
This is on our Facebook page, facebook.com/thishour. Joey is actually -- you know, he thinks this is an awful, awful idea. He said making this illegal raises a whole bunch of problems.
PEREIRA: The one thing he did contend, though, was something needs to be done. We've seen what an issue bullying has been. He agrees that something needs to be done. He argues this isn't the right approach for it. He actually has concerned it's not going to stand up in court.
BERMAN: No. There are enforcement issues, too. Complicated, to say the least.
PEREIRA: That's it for us @THISHOUR. I'm Michaela Pereira. I hope you have a great weekend.
BERMAN: I'm John Berman. Have a great weekend as well. Very great.
"LEGAL VIEW" with Ashleigh Banfield starts right now.