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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL

Mom Found Dead: Where Are Her Babies?

Aired June 11, 2014 - 19:00:00   ET

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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST: Tonight, breaking news. It`s a race against time in the desperate hunt for two precious missing kids after

their mom is found brutally murdered and badly disfigured inside an abandoned house.

Who put two bullets through the head of this beautiful mother of two? And what on earth happened to her precious infant son and her 6-year-old

daughter, who have vanished without a trace?

Good evening, I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell, coming to you live. Thanks so much for joining us.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Like a movie, a horror movie, that you know not going to unfold right.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police say 6-year-old Kayla`s father made the call to police on June 3. She, her half mother, 6-month-old Christian

Justice, and their mother, Alicia Fox, all went missing. The remains of Alicia Fox in an abandoned home on Detroit`s West Side.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m not going to say what my mind is telling me, because I want to be optimistic. I`m not going to be pessimistic.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Cops say 27-year-old Alicia Fox and her two kids, 8- month-old Christian, a boy, and 6-year-old Kayla, a girl, were all reported missing on June 6 by the 6-year-old`s father when they missed her

kindergarten graduation.

Alicia was currently married and living with another man, Aaron Justice, who was the father of her infant son.

Tonight, a local station is reporting that the now-dead woman and her husband, Aaron, had recently separated. Neighbors saw the couple moving

out of their house late last month over the Memorial Day holiday. They had a U-Haul.

After they moved, nobody set eyes on Alicia or the children ever again until the mom turned up dead. In an awful twist, just a few days ago, yes,

the mother was found murdered with a two bullets in her hand, wrapped in a moving blanket and hidden under a door in an abandoned house.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And as I tilted the door back, I saw some legs that were cut off at the kneecaps. So upon seeing that, I know now that

I`m on a crime scene. So I back off, and I back up off of it, and I don`t mess with anything else.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Cops have questioned the dead woman`s husband and have not charged him with a crime and have not named him as a suspect. But

could he know more than he`s letting on?

Plus, even though the mother is murdered and both fathers claim they have no idea where their children are, police still have not issued an

Amber Alert for these two missing kids. Why the heck not?

I want to hear from you. Call me at 1-877-JVM-SAYS, 1-877-586-7297.

We have a fantastic and fiery Lion`s Den panel, ready to debate tonight. But first, straight out to CNN`s Elizabeth Espinosa.

Elizabeth, you`ve been digging on this case. What have you learned about the U-Haul the family was last spotted moving their belongings into?

ELIZABETH ESPINOSA, CNN ESPANOL: Well, Jane, we actually did reach out to that U-Haul facility, and they have confirmed for us that in fact

the father of that baby, that 8-month-old baby, Christian, who is missing - - we have no idea where this child is -- did rent that U-Haul and did return it on time.

But here`s the next question. So does this mean that detectives on this case have done forensic testing on that unit? We don`t know that yet,

but we`re still looking for as many answers as possible, because as you can imagine, there are two babies, a 6-year-old and an infant, missing and the

mother found dead in an abandoned building in Detroit.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Adam Thompson, attorney, is that the smoking gun? I mean, is the U-Haul the smoking gun? Could it be the original

crime scene? What if there`s DNA? What if there`s blood spatter?

ADAM THOMPSON, ATTORNEY: You called it, Jane. That really, to me, is one of the big factors in this case if not the biggest factor. They know

that this gentleman took out the U-Haul when his family moved. So the truck was returned on time, returned on time where? Did anybody see the

kids or the mom when it was returned?

When these people are missing for this amount of time, the father`s in the best position to know where the family, in particular his children are.

Even if he`s fighting with the mom and they`re separated, you still keep tabs on your kids every day. How do you go a week without hearing from

them and not calling them in missing? This to me is the smoking gun.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, look, cops almost always start their investigation with those who last saw the victims, those who were closest

to the victims. Alicia`s family has expressed concerns about her husband, Aaron Justice.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Her husband fled the state. He will not come forth or give us her whereabouts.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. So the family raised eyebrows when the husband left Detroit and went all the way to Georgia right after the move,

even though Alicia turned up dead, and his own infant son and the boy`s sister are missing. So he`s in Atlanta when cops call to question him.

The disappearance occurred in Detroit. The murdered mother was found in Detroit.

Cops have questioned him. They have not charged him or named him as a suspect. He`s invited on our show any time. We`ve been trying to reach

him. We checked into his background. He has one charge of carrying a concealed weapon.

All right. So back out to the Lion`s Den. From a psychological perspective, Dr. Judy Ho, forensic psychologist, is it strange? Would this

father and husband be in Detroit, like looking like the rest of the family?

DR. JUDY HO, FORENSIC PSYCHOLOGIST: That`s right, and that doesn`t really help their alibi if they were ever questioned about why they`re not

in the same location with their family actually being part of the active search. And so this, to me, shows that there`s definitely something that

we need to look into. But for whatever reason, the police have decided not to issue the Amber Alert. And I really want to know why not?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Me, too.

HO: Is it because there`s so many other cases that there`s a threshold that they have to meet to issue an Amber Alert?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I want to get to the Amber Alert. I want to get to the Amber Alert in a second, but Areva Martin, he rented the moving van.

They were last seen moving into that moving van. Then the wife turns up dead; the children are missing. So what answers would he hypothetically

have that cops need to know? And they have talked to him, and they`ve released him.

AREVA MARTIN, ATTORNEY: We need to know from him, Jane, when did he last see his wife and his children? We also are hearing from family

members that apparently he was on the street asking for a hammer. And that the abandoned building -- that the door to the abandoned building was

actually nailed, or there were nails hammered into that door. So there are a lot of questions about what his movement was even after the family

allegedly moved out of the house.

You know, how does he account for being separated from his children and the wife, and as you said, not being in Detroit where all the action

is, where all the searches are going on. It`s very concerning, and we`d love to know what the police ask him and what his responses were, because

it`s not making sense.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And we want to stress that he`s not considered a suspect. Cops say the father of the older child, Kayla -- that`s a

different person -- first told them that the family was missing after the child and her mother failed to show up for her kindergarten graduation, the

big event.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We received a missing report from Kevin Hunter regarding his daughter, Kayla Hunter.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: But even though Alicia is now dead, cops say the situation does not say the situation does not meet the criteria for an

Amber Alert. Investigators have claimed various things: that too much time had elapsed between the time Alicia and her children were last physically

seen and when they were reported missing, a total of two weeks.

Gaetane Borders, the president of Peas in a Pod, you are the nation`s leading advocate for missing children among them. They`ve got a car.

They`ve issued an alert for this burgundy Impala that they`re looking for with the license plate CCR-1286.

Why on earth would two helpless children, 8 months and 6 years old, that cannot survive on their own and have been missing two weeks, have cops

not said, "Hey, let`s do an Amber Alert?"

GAETANE BORDERS, PRESIDENT, PEAS IN A POD: You tell me, Jane. Seriously Jane, I mean, I get so sick and tired, when I hear that, the

criteria have not been met, then change the criteria. It is not working.

There are these two children out there, defenseless. God knows what has happened to them. And right now we`re talking about cadaver dogs. And

we couldn`t just simply issue the Amber Alert. It doesn`t matter if too much time had passed. That to me would signify the urgency for them to

move fast.

Clearly, if their mom is found, body members, dismembered, bullets. It`s obviously a grisly scene, and those children were taken from her. I`m

sure they weren`t taken to have ice cream. That`s all I`m saying. If there`s a problem with it, change it.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let`s go out to the phone lines. Yes -- go ahead.

MARTIN: I just want to say, I went to the U.S. Department of Justice`s website to look at the criteria for when an Amber Alert should be

issued and there`s nothing in those guidelines and criteria that says there`s anything about this lapse of time. Now, states don`t have to

follow those guidelines. They get to set their own. But the U.S. Department of Justice`s guidelines...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Areva, let me ask you a question. And, you know, this is a difficult question, but do you think that the fact that

this is happening in an inner city and this mother has a rap sheet, which we`ll get to in a second. It`s not long, but she did have on violent

confrontation in the past. Do you think that her socioeconomic status, even her race has something to do with the lack of an Amber Alert being

issued?

MARTIN: That actually always comes to mind. I was taken back to the Hannah Anderson case, and we know an Amber Alert and a national search

resulted in us finding Hannah. So whenever these cases, you know, come up, the issue of disparities in the criminal justice system is -- issued how

African-Americans and poor people are treated. Has to be a question that we all ask.

And in this case, it just didn`t appear to be any justification, particularly given those guidelines, why an Amber Alert cannot be issued

and we can`t...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let`s go out to the phone lines. Nodia, Georgia. Nadya, Georgia, what do you have to say?

CALLER: I love in Georgia. There has been no Amber Alert for those kids. I have a metro. I get the Amber Alerts, as soon as they`re posted.

They`re posted right to my phone. I have kids, so I would love for people that were looking for mine, if anything would have ever happened to my

kids. There`s been no Amber Alert. I`m trying to figure how the dad of the 8-month-old knows that his kids are missing, why aren`t you back in

Detroit? Why are you down here? We...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Those are very good questions. Listen, does anybody on our panel -- I want to go back to the panel. Does anybody on our panel

think that cops were correct in not issuing an Amber Alert?

Remember, they offered two explanations. At first, they said nobody - - nobody`s raising their hand? OK, so everybody on our panel thinks cops have made a mistake by not issuing an Amber Alert for these two missing

children. They gave two explanations.

First, they said, in some of the published reports I read, well, they were leaving voluntarily on their own and packing. So therefore there was

no alarm, so therefore we didn`t issue an Amber Alert. And then, when they`re missing for two weeks, they reportedly said they`ve been missing

too long to issue an Amber Alert. So it`s like, wow, which is it?

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much more on the desperate search for these two innocent missing children. Where are they?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She saw what appeared to be someone wrapped. She dialed 911. We responded and determined that there was a deceased. We

believe it to be Ms. Fox.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The mother and her two children have been missing since June 1. Fox`s body was found Monday night in a vacant home on

Detroit`s West Side. Her remains were wrapped in a U-Haul moving blanket.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: According to neighbors, the family was last seen loading a U-Haul truck for their move. But soon after, a U-Haul truck is

allegedly seen near the area where the mother`s body was found riddled with bullets. Listen to this from the "Detroit Free Press."

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One of the white houses down that way on that side of the street called and said that they had seen a U-Haul truck over there.

So they came back. That`s what caused them to come back and search. And they hadn`t been searching very long before they -- somebody started

screaming and they say, well, they found the body.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: But there was also an anonymous tip, according to published reports, that let them to that general area first.

Now according to the store, Aaron Justice, the infant`s father -- that`s the youngest of the two missing children -- rented a U-Haul truck

like this one, and then the neighbors see the U-Haul truck outside Alicia Fox`s, the mom`s apartment, as they`re moving away, and reports say they

were recently separated. Plus, she ends up wrapped in a moving blanket.

Elizabeth Espinosa, you`ve been tracking this. What occurs to me is the mileage on that U-Haul truck, which they track very carefully, wouldn`t

that show the radius of where these missing children might be?

ESPINOSA: Absolutely, that is a really great question, and listen, I mean, look at -- look at us there. We`re not even detectives, and we`re,

like, figuring this out. And this is what I`m talking about. We need to get all this information in now.

But I will also mention that the FBI is involved, so the FBI apparently did reach out to the dad who is in Georgia, right, that`s the

baby`s father, and he`s cooperating for now. Of course, he has to corporate, but it does raise a lot of questions, Jane.

If your child is missing, and they find out that the mother of your child is -- was found dead, her body badly decomposed in an abandoned

building, the first thing you would do is get on a plane, on a train, on a bus, call it what you will, and you would be in that city to find out,

where is my child?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Absolutely. Let`s go out on the phone lines. Eden, Missouri. What do you have to say, Eden, Missouri.

CALLER: I would just like to say this case is not really being taken seriously by police. Like if there was two little white babies missing,

then they would issue an Amber Alert. But I don`t see why an Amber Alert isn`t issued in this case. This is absolutely ridiculous.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: You know, I find this the lack -- I mean, look, they have the FBI involved, and unfortunately, we have to look at the

possibility -- Gaetane borders, you`re an advocate for missing children. You know a lot about this -- that these children are deceased.

They have had cadaver dogs searching. So when you think about two weeks they haven`t been seen. One`s 8 months old, one 6 years old. How

long are they going to be able to survive on their own, unless somebody is keeping them somewhere for God only knows what reason.

BORDERS: Right. They`re clearly not surviving on their own. But I have two words: Demesha (ph) Connor, the name of a little girl, 12-year-old

girl who was gone missing for 12 -- for two weeks. She was reported, no Amber Alert, because you know, she didn`t meet the criteria.

Again, they found her body in an alley, two weeks later. The coroner ruled that she had been alive up until that time, so she was alive for the

majority of these two weeks. So that`s why I get enraged when I hear that these kids did not -- or do not meet the criteria for an Amber Alert.

Because it could very well save their lives.

Cadaver dogs are involved. That`s not good news; it`s not.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Dr. Judy Ho, I mean, what would you say. I mean, what is the point of not -- I understand you don`t want to issue an Amber

Alert all the time, because basically, it waters down the urgency, and so people might start taking it for granted. But we`ve got two little kids

missing here.

HO: That`s right, Jane. And the problem with this case, as you alluded to before, is that this is a family that comes from a lower

socioeconomic status. They`re African-American. The mom has a small rap sheet. All of these factors will play a role in terms of whoever`s in

charge of deciding whether or not this meets the criteria or not.

That criteria to me is completely subjective. I don`t care what it says on the website. They can change that rule at any time, and they`ve

decided not to, and they have pre-judged this case.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: In the past, I`ve heard that the criteria is do you have names and descriptions of those who are missing? Do you have a

vehicle? Because a lot of these are put, obviously, on the freeway.

They do have a vehicle they`re searching for. The mother`s vehicle is missing, an Impala. So I think, frankly, they do have the criteria to

issue an Amber Alert.

All right. We`ve got more on the other side. We`re going to talk about the mother`s criminal record. It`s not extensive. It`s one big

fight, the kind of fight you see on reality TV all the time. Does that make a difference?

This is the car. If you see this car, call local police or the FBI immediately. You may be saving two children`s lives. Stay right there.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Like a movie, a horror movie that, you know, not going to unfold right.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Her husband fled the state. He will not come forth or give us her whereabouts.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If her husband is -- going in there with hammers and tools and then a couple of days later, whatever, her body`s down there,

we`re not rocket scientists standing here, but we`re not idiots also.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Where`s 8-month-old Christian, the little boy, and his older sister, 6-year-old Kayla? They`ve been missing for a couple of

weeks now, and their mother was found with two bullets to her head.

Now, she wasn`t exactly a model citizen, according to court documents we`ve obtained. Alicia Fox, the mom, pleaded guilty to attempted felonious

assault. The victim, another woman, said Alicia grabbed her hair, repeatedly punched her in the face while holding a steak knife in her hand

and even claimed Alicia kicked her reportedly pregnant stomach.

You know, I have to say a couple of things occur to me. Adam Thompson, attorney out of New York, one, two bullets says it`s personal.

And two, she could have enemies.

THOMPSON: She could. I mean, first of all, the fact of what happened to her in this case, really, you know, they should have been looking back

at what the prior criminal case she has is, because really, one has nothing to do with any -- with the other.

You could have a criminal background, but it should be a victim of a crime in a new situation. And there`s kids involved here, so it should

really be separated.

But to do a real thorough police investigation, the fact that she may have enemies could be other suspects, other motivations of why she was

injured or killed. So they do have to explore those.

And in this case, there was violence against a pregnant woman. Who knows if the boyfriend or the father of that child?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I do respect you. You`ve contradicted yourself. You said no they shouldn`t focus on it. And then he said, you know, it could

be relevant. Let`s run through the timeline.

Alicia was last seen by her family at her mother`s house May 24 around the Memorial Day holiday. A few days later, May 27, 28, neighbors see them

moving out using a U-Haul. The last contact anybody had was with Alicia June 3, she allegedly texted her ex, the father of her older, the 6-year-

old daughter when Alicia and the kids miss the 6-year-old`s kindergarten graduation. That ex reports the family missing.

So I want to ask, Gaetane Borders, you are an expert in missing children. I would think that the text on June 3 would be crucial. Even if

somebody else was pretending to be her, where that is pinging, either in Detroit or some other place would be absolutely crucial.

BORDERS: Absolutely. And let me tell you, the thing that really concerns me, as well, Jane, is the fact that this happened around the time

that she was separating from that father. And we know that, in cases where there`s domestic violence, typically that`s the time when, you know, things

happen; negative things happen.

So I don`t know if there`s a history of domestic violence there, it sounds as though her family has concerns about him. I don`t know.

Obviously he has not been convicted or charged with anything.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: He`s not even considered a suspect. But there`s a lot of questions for him.

Let`s go to Dray, California. Let me -- just quickly, what do you have to say? And then we`ll go to Areva.

CALLER: OK. I had a question. I was wondering why is it that the dad ended up all the way in Atlanta, and the mom was found in Detroit? How

did he get there? Where`s the kids at? What`s going on?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: You know, where`s the kids at, Dray, that`s the crucial, crucial question. Areva Martin, attorney out of L.A., you wanted

to say something.

MARTIN: Yes. I just wanted to say in addition to that text message, Jane, there`s also this anonymous tip that apparently was made to one of

the family members` cell phones. If the FBI is involved, we know the technology that they have access to. We should be able to figure out who

made that call to the relative`s cell phone, who was the person with information such that they would find the mom in this vacant house and find

the mom.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Exactly. Who is likely to have known the phone number of a family member? Not some stranger, certainly.

All right. We`ve got to leave it right there. We`ve got so much more for you, but we`re going to stay on top of the case. We want to find those

kids.

Up next, Sandra Bullock, the superstar, had a close encounter with a stalker. Cops say this is the guy who broke inside her L.A. mansion,

hopping over a barbed-wire fence, and that she`s -- she`s the one who confronted him.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s hard to imagine anyone could slip through, but one man did this morning. Police say the suspect actually gained entry

into Bullock`s home.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sandra Bullock had a rude awakening according to the Los Angeles Police Department. An intruder broke into her home.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s a shame that anybody would be subject to an intrusion.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police say they received a hot prowler call, which means a resident inside saw someone on the property attempting to break in.

Police say the suspect 39-year-old, Joshua Corbett of Glendale actually gained entry into Bullock`s home.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, chilling new details about the crazed stalker cops say he scaled a barbed-wire fence breaking into superstar

Sandra Bullock`s million dollar Los Angeles mansion while the actress is fast asleep inside it.

In a move right out of Miss Congeniality, where Sandy plays an undercover cop, the quick thinking superstar, sees the guy, locks herself

inside her bedroom calls cops and then cops race to the scene. Tonight TMZ says the intruder did not want to burglarize her fabulous home, he wanted a

face to face with the star -- that`s even scarier.

Look at the video we have obtained of 39-year-old Joshua Corbett, the suspect, in court. Look at him, look at his eyes, does he look crazy?

Prosecutors say he quote, "willfully, maliciously and repeatedly followed and harassed the actress. And apparently he owns a machine gun too

although he didn`t have it with him -- thank God.

Around 5:00 in the morning, Corbett who reportedly kept a diary on Bullock broke into her home despite the barbed wire fence and the

surveillance cameras. But cops say Sandy wasn`t able to call 911 until 6:30 in the morning. That means this crazy guy was inside her home for

about an hour and a half.

I don`t know what`s more frightening, being alone in your home with a crazed stalker or being stuck in space minus gravity.

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SANDRA BULLOCK, ACTRESS: Houston, do you copy? Houston, this is mission specialist Ryan Stone. I`m drifting. Do you copy? Anyone?

Anyone?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: She is such an amazing actress. I love her. The actress filed an emergency restraining order against this guy. He`s behind

bars charged with burglary, stalking and owning an illegal machine gun. We reached out to Sandra Bullock`s camp, have not heard back but we are -- you

know, I just love her. She is one of my favorite actresses and I`m so happy she`s ok and I think this is an abomination.

"Lion`s Den" -- I`ll start with Jasmine Simpkins, you`re at Los Angeles Bureau, you know all about Hollywood, you`re an entertainment

reporter. I mean this is the ultimate downside to fame. And now as these stars become globally famous, I mean really, they`re targets, aren`t they?

JASMINE SIMPKINS, ENTERTAINMENT REPORTER: They`re huge targets and it`s really unfortunate. And I hate to use the word mental illness to

describe people like this every time something happens. And I think we have to take a really hard look at the society that we live in and there

are a lot more people who are suffering from some sort of chemical imbalance and they are doing these kinds of things to celebrities. We live

in a very celebrity-obsessed culture nowadays and they just aren`t safe anywhere. They can`t be on red carpets and they can`t even be in their

home, God forbid.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. And you know, this guy had quite a little history and I understand it involved DUI, and drugs, and reckless driving.

So Elizabeth Espinosa, what have you learned about this character?

ELIZABETH ESPINOSA, CNN ESPANOL ANCHOR: Well, I`ll tell you one thing, just to give you a little reference. I know that you used to live

in Los Angeles so you know where Glendale lives, that`s not very far unfortunately from the area where her home is.

And again, it just goes to show as you pose the question, where are celebrities safe? Are they safe on the red carpet when they`re there with

all that security? No, look what just happened not so long -- what was it -- two weeks ago. Right in front of the El Capitan Theater here in

Hollywood, the Walk of Fame, Brad Pitt at the, you know, that "Maleficent" premier with his wife. And of course that was a Ukrainian (inaudible)

that`s now been fired for that little prank.

But that just goes to show how vulnerable they are, and in this case, in her own home. I can`t even imagine, she`s asleep and this guy`s going

around her home for over an hour? So again, we have to probably do something more in terms of --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, one of the things that I would say first of all is that there were many sophisticated surveillance systems, how about some

old-fashioned alarms, that go -- because you can have surveillance cameras and see somebody and be terrified watching them on the monitor.

ESPINOSA: What about security?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I mean the systems that I see every time I go to upgrade my cell phone, supposedly, if somebody crosses a line -- an

invisible line, they call police automatically and that person`s coming in. But then again, I remember when I had a system like that I would always

trip it by accident and the cops were showing up in the middle of the night making me get outside my house to prove that it was me.

(CROSSTALK)

ESPINOSA: Oh no.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: You can mess with it, sometimes you disable it. But I think -- you know, first of all, I want to congratulate her for

absolutely and I`ll go to Judy Ho on this, forensic psychologist. Staying cool, calm and collected and instead of freaking out and getting

hysterical, she retreated back to her room, locked the door, called 911, I mean that is brilliant.

JUDY HO, FORENSIC PSYCHOLOGIST: That`s right, Jane. She did a really good job here of staying calm, not antagonizing the person further by

actually getting into it with him right there in her house. She did the right thing. She did the wise thing by getting back into her room, locking

it and calling police right away and letting them take care of it.

But one thing I wanted to say too, about the profiles of stalkers. I know you mentioned that he has a rap sheet. But more than anything,

stalkers tend to be really lonely individuals, who tend not to have friends, who tend to be kind of isolated from the outside world and that

breeds delusional thinking. They believe they have a personal relationship with these celebrities. That`s actually what led to him going to her house

the way that he did.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. And I want to very briefly mention the suspect`s criminal history. He`s been arrested for a slew of DUIs,

possession of controlled substances, reckless driving. So to me that says -- and I say this as a recovering alcoholic with 19 years of sobriety --

that he has some kind of substance abuse problem quite probably.

I want to go to Kristen Pratt, you are a survivor of stalking, we are talking to you via Skype, you don`t wanting your location mentioned for

safety reasons. When you see something like this -- a guy scaling a barbed-wire fence disabling or getting past security systems including

surveillance -- I mean she`s -- this woman`s super rich. She`s got to have the best surveillance security system. And there he is, roaming around the

house. What can you tell us about how that makes you feel, given that you were -- you`ve been stalked?

KRISTEN PRATT, STALKING SURVIVOR: I feel like when a stalker or anybody has their eye on the prize, they really don`t care about what is

between them and that prize, they will go to any lengths to get to that. And I would like to commend Miss Bullock for what she did and she was able

to recognize the threat and deal with it in a mature manner, it`s very commendable.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And remember, the complaint says that this guy repeatedly followed and harassed her. So it`s very possible when she maybe

woke up, heard something and saw him that she heard something woke up and saw him, that she recognized him. I can`t even imagine, Kristen -- give us

a sense of the terror that that must have been like. Because she`s been allegedly stalked by this guy -- in others words breaking into a house

isn`t stalking, you have to have repeated instances of following and harassing which is what it says in the criminal complaint.

PRATT: Yes. I know from my own experience that just seeing that person whether or not they see you as well, can be one of the most

terrifying and emotional experiences. It`s like kind of being a deer in the headlights type of things where you just stop dead in your tracks and

you kind of have to think of what to do next and like play a chess game with that person.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: This guy could go to jail for seven years and one thing that I have learned about stalking, Elizabeth Espinosa, is that they

want any attention, it can be negative attention --

ESPINOSA: Yes.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: It can even a court appearance. We saw that with poor Alec Baldwin who went through his own stalker -- alleged, purported --

however that ended up. But the point is that they just want that connection.

ESPINOSA: Absolutely.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: They`re willing to really risk going to jail for years just to have that one instant where they have a connection.

ESPINOSA: Yes, what about the guy even here with Rihanna, that like went into her house a couple of times. Thankfully Rihanna wasn`t in her

house. You know, all the celebs, a lot of them living here in Los Angeles or having properties here. And I will tell you as a television personality

yourself, and you know working on TV, you`re on TV every day in the local market for us here, and naturally people feel a connection. And it is

scary.

I`ve actually had a stalker, unfortunately you have to in the past, being in the business for as long as we have. And it is -- it`s tragic

because when there is a violation, you do feel a certain sense of violation, I had a situation where I had to have a 24-hour detail. I would

go to the gym --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh my God.

ESPINOSA: -- I would go to the supermarket and I would have somebody with me all the time. And you know, hopefully Sandra Bullock makes

definitely a lot more money that I`ll ever see --

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: It`s sad. I want to just go back to Jasmine Simpkins for a second. It`s sad that these celebrities, she`s a great actress,

she`s just a class act, she`s an Oscar winner and now she`s got to walk around like she`s in the witness protection program or running for public

office with a bunch of security dudes around her.

SIMPKINS: It`s really sad, but I have to say, Sandra is going to have to up the ante even when it comes to her security. And now that she knows

that this guy could possibly get out after, you know, he goes back -- after the trial, rather, in July, she may have to get herself an old-fashioned

beware of dogs sign and some good old bars on those windows and kick it old school. And that might keep him out.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: It`s a horrible way to live. I say move to a high- rise, get a doorman.

Next, the latest scandal to rock the cast of "Love and Hip-Hop", this one -- you`ll off your chair.

Here`s the question -- how do you rack up a million dollars in unpaid child support? And that`s just for starters.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m wondering why this is so important to Mimi. If I know no better, I think she was still feeling the guy. What`s the

matter baby? You mad I married (inaudible) instead of you?

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: The hit show "Love and Hip-Hop Atlanta".

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Good lord, I`m a lucky guy.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When people watch it for the first time, they just can`t get enough and I hear that everywhere I go.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I got one and I put all the money for a lawyer to make sure my daughter`s good.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I didn`t want to watch and then when I watched it, I was glued. There`s been something about "Love and Hip-Hop Atlanta".

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m not complaining. You`re looking well.

What a life.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, what do you know another massive scandal for one of the stars of VH-1`s hit reality show "Love and Hip-Hop Atlanta".

No, it`s not another sex tape -- sorry to disappoint you.

But it`s pretty shocking. This time Hip-Hop`s producer Steven Jordan, better known as Stevie J has been arrested for allegedly owing more than $1

million in back child support. Stevie J has a daughter with his "Love and Hip-Hop" turned Vivid porn star Mimi but he also has two kids from a

previous relationship with music producer Carol Bennett.

Prosecutors say he stopped paying child support for his kids with Bennett more than a decade ago. Prosecutors claim Stevie J is paid $27,000

a month to star on "Love and Hip-Hop Atlanta". If he had paid the $8,557 a month he owed in child support he`d still have about $18,000 left over each

and every month. That`s a lot of dough and that`s not including the money he makes from music royalties. Stevie is now with entertainer Jocelyn

Hernandez and the two claim they`re married. Watch this from VH-1`s "Love and Hip-Hop Atlanta".

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: His house you say it`s a castle.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You must care this much.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Had to do that, do the right thing. Get the castle for the princess, you know, and make sure that the queen did.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: And we`re seeing that castle. You just saw it a second ago. Stevie is home tonight, maybe in that castle after posting a

$25,000 bond, but he`s facing up to two years in jail.

Straight out to Kendra G, you know Stevie J. What`s up with this guy? He lives so lavishly, what`s your explanation?

KENDRA G, ENTERTAINMENT REPORTER: I mean why are we surprised? This is all a front for television. First of all, Stevie J. wasn`t really

making money again until he got cast for "Love and Hip-Hop". He definitely has the money but he has a lot of kids that he`s not only taking care of

right now. So these two are coming forward with baby mamas and I don`t blame them, he should pay up, I like Stevie J., he got me into the VIP area

at clubs at different times of my life so I like him in that way. But you have to be responsible and yes you`re (inaudible) yourself on television,

you`re spending all this money, it`s time for you to be a father and take care of your responsibilities.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, I mean look, he`s hanging out with you, he`s got this huge, huge house, he`s probably buying, what do they call that when

they sit in the VIP areas and they buy -- I don`t drink alcohol, but I see it. What`s that called?

G: Bottle service.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Bottle service, that`s right.

G: Very expensive.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. So he`s spending the money on himself. But do you -- did you ever get a glimpse that he had these kids that he wasn`t

supporting? You were with him.

G: I mean well, you can watch the television show and get that. How many times have we seen all his children on TV, except for the one he has

with Mimi. He has -- I want to say -- I think five kids. Don`t quote me on that. So I don`t he`s ever been the best dad award ever, so right now

it`s just pretty much catching up with him -- Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right Stevie J has a daughter with his co-star Mimi Faust. And let`s see how he reacted when she told him about her now

infamous sex tape with boyfriend Nikko. Are you following along? Watch this from "Love and Hip-Hop Atlanta".

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STEVIE J, REALITY TV STAR: That`s you -- right?

MIMI FAUST, REALITY TV STAR: Yes, that would be me.

J: And you look a little fuzzy like it might be from a tape or something. It`s you (EXPLETIVE DELETED) on tape.

FAUST: You`re no saint yourself. I can Google your name. Your kids can Google your name and your penis -- on Google.

J: I`m just trying to see if you`re making all the right decisions, if my daughter needs to be around you`re making irrational decisions.

FAUST: Irrational?

J: Yes, because you know that I got money and I put all that money up for a lawyer to make sure my daughter`s good.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Jasmine Simpkins, entertainment reporter out of L.A., he`s bragging about his money, he`s bragging about taking care

of his daughter but then prosecutors are saying he`s a deadbeat dad to his two other kids.

SIMPKINS: You know -- here`s the deal. I think that Stevie does have money. According to reports he made $300,000 in 2013 and he could have

started making payments to avoid this whole debacle. I don`t feel any sympathy for him.

On top of the fact that he does get music royalties, he gets a check from "Love and Hip-Hop" and there`s those fact checks that him and Jocelyn

get every time they go to a party and sipping bottle service. Jane, they`re not paying for that, they`re being paid to party.

But he`s raking in a lot of dough and it`s time that he started paying this woman. She`s been on a campaign since 2013 to get this money.

He deserves to go to jail.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: What happens -- everything that he has is like rented or -- you know, what if he can`t pay the million dollars? On the other

side.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ironically, Stevie J produced that hit song, "Mo Money, Mo Problems". I wonder if he was inspired by the child support bill

that he was staring at that says you`re supposed to pay $8,500 a month to these kids and he hasn`t done so according to prosecutors.

Let`s go out to the phone lines -- Lakisha, Indiana, what have you got to say?

LAKISHA, INDIANA (via telephone): Hi, Jane. Thank you for accepting my call tonight. I think he should spend more than two years in jail

because any other normal man out here in the street, they would have spent 10 to 20 years in jail being $1 million behind on child support. He should

be ashamed of himself. He got all that money being a rapper and can`t take care of his kids? Is he mentally ill or crazy? That`s what I think.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, it raises the point, a great point, Lakisha. Kendra G, how do these kids feel? It`s not just about the money but it`s

about how they perceive their father and his regard for them.

G: Right.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Or lack of.

G: Exactly. You know what, I kind of agree with Lakisha. But here`s the deal. Putting him in jail for two years, the kids are still going to

suffer because they won`t get any money at all. I don`t agree with him going to jail for two years. He should pay up, thought, but Jane going

back to your original question --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wait a second. I don`t think he has a million dollars to pay up do you?

G: I was going to say that next. I don`t think he can afford to pay a million dollars. He is earning (ph) a lot on television. He`s not

making as much as we may think. He is making money but to pay a million dollar child support bill, I personally think he cannot afford that.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, maybe he can make a deal, because he`s going to have to pay something. He`s going to have to pay something. And I wonder

why they didn`t garnish his wages. I mean they did some, but why they didn`t garnish a heck of a chunk every month.

Stay right there, the phone lines are lighting up on this. Unbelievable. A million dollars in back child support?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Everything we done on that camera has been exposed.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If we do a deal, you guys stand to make a lot of money.

FAUST: I have a daughter.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You know you`re a porn star now.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Mimi`s sex tape with Nikko, obviously a scandal that they survived and even thrived with, but I`ve got to wonder Jasmine

Simpkins, entertainment reporter out of L.A. if this is a different kind of scandal and it might make him toxic for vh1?

SIMPKINS: You know, VH-1 is known to boot someone from a show for scandals that they want no part of. I think they might allow Stevie to

stay on the show if he does decide that he wants to start paying this and be responsible for his actions. Stevie, you may have to start riding the

bus as opposed to driving the bus and actually start taking care of your children.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: He`s producing music -- now he`s got to face the music.

Thank you fantastic panel.

Nancy is up next.

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