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Clinton & Cheney in War of Words; Interview with Team USA's Goalkeeper, Tim Howard

Aired June 27, 2014 - 06:30   ET




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The Ukrainian National Guard base come under attack in Donetsk. The attack took place despite cease-fire declared last week by Ukraine's new president, Petro Poroshenko, in an effort to calm the situation in the eastern parts of the nation. Meantime, pro-Russian rebels in southeast Ukraine have released four out of eight international observers that were captured over a month ago.

The suspected mastermind of the deadly attack on the U.S. mission in Benghazi is nearing American soil. Ahmed Abu Khattala could arrive as soon as this weekend, according to a senior law enforcement source. He has spent about two weeks being interrogated by the FBI aboard the USS New York. Khattala was captured earlier this month in Libya.

A U.S. defense official is downplaying North Korea's claim that they fired new advance missiles, saying there's no evidence that they new technology. The officials described Thursday's launch as a routine firing of short range missiles. North Korean state media had touted them as, quote, "cutting edge culture precision tactical guided missiles".

Big shake-up over at ABC on "The View." A string of host departures will leave Whoopi Goldberg as the only current host returning in July. Sherri Shepherd and Jenny McCarthy both confirmed on Twitter that they are leaving the show. Network executives did not say if McCarthy or Shepherd would be back when the show returns live next month. Of course, you'll recall earlier this year, Barbara Walters retired as host but stayed on as executive producer.

All right. Let's talk about weather because it's Friday.

Can I yell that now because it is actually is Friday? Indra Petersons is here keeping track of the forecast for us. It's Friday.

INDRA PETERSONS, AMS METEOROLOGIST: I think you did the opposite. You went Friday. That's not yelling.

PEREIRA: That's why I was whispering it because I didn't know. PETERSONS: I want to hear it, Michaela, yes, we need a little bit of

excitement in here.


PETERSONS: All right. Guys, yes, it is the weekend, let's start with words maybe not so pretty and that's going to be in the Midwest. A lot of rain expected your way, but also the threat for severe weather.

Things in an upper level low cruising into the region. The next several days, we're going to watch what that system does today. The threat from Bismarck, all the way back down through Dodge City. It does extend a bit farther tomorrow, really affecting more of you from Minneapolis, all the way down through Oklahoma City. So, that's going to be a big concern, that severe threat.

Then, we kind of shift the focus into the Southeast. The gulf is wide open. What does that mean? All that humidity and moisture is still funneling into the region. So, every day even through the weekend, it does mean there's a chance for an afternoon thunderstorm, hot and muggy. That is your story.

But there is one place where it is oh, so nice where you're not going to be looking at these heavy rain totals and that's, of course, right here in the Northeast. This is what I mean by the good note, high pressure for you. You don't know what that means.

It means dry, beautiful, sunshine in the forecast. Temperatures right where they should be, 70s and even 80s, and that is what I say.

Scream it, Michaela, a good -- cover your ears.

PEREIRA: I'm going to do it.

PETERSONS: A good weekend.



BOLDUAN: We haven't had --

PEREIRA: We don't have enough coffee.

BOLDUAN: That's right.

PETERSONS: Coming your way.

BOLDUAN: Thanks, Indra.

PETERSONS: Coming up next on NEW DAY, the war of words between Bill Clinton and Dick Cheney. It's become rather unseemly, that's the word they are using.

Our political panel will discuss. CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: Plus, Team USA now preparing for Belgium as

it enters the rarefied air of the round of 16. Anything can happen now. We're talking live to the team captain, outstanding goalkeeper, Tim Howard.


BOLDUAN: Former President Bill Clinton, former Vice President Dick Cheney engaged in a war of words over the current turmoil in Iraq. Clinton taking a shot at Cheney over his harsh criticism of the way the Obama administration is handling the current crisis. Then, Cheney fired right back. Listen.


BILL CLINTON, FORMER PRESIDENT: Mr. Cheney has been incredibly adroit for the last six years or so, attacking the administration for not doing an adequate job of cleaning up the mess that he made, and I think it's unseemly.

DICK CHENEY, FORMER VICE PRESIDENT: Well, I usually haven't looked to Bill for advice. He doesn't call me very often. He also warned about weapons of mass destruction and the possibility that if Saddam had them, which they believed he did, that he would some day use them.


BOLDUAN: Joining us to discuss, Errol Louis, CNN political commentator, anchor of New York 1's "Inside City Hall" and John Avlon, CNN political analyst and editor-in-chief of "The Daily Beast."

Good morning, guys.



BOLDUAN: So, when you hear that, I really -- it just does make you want to scratch your head, because Clinton kind of finished that conversation with David Gregory, by saying this, I give President Bush, by the way, a lot of credit for trying to stay out of this debate. Why, oh, why, are they doing this back and forth now?

AVLON: I mean, you know, there's this impulse we have. I think we want to see a senior citizen death cage match between Cheney and Clinton. I think this would rate. I do -- I think we have an animal need.

And you just see -- I mean, Bill Clinton is just so damn talented, haven't done an adequate job cleaning up the mess he made, boom, drop the mike.

CUOMO: Narrative matters, though. I know it's convenient for people to say, don't look back, let's focus on the present. But in politics, reality is open perception and there's no question that this is being spun as the president now, President Obama having messed up the situation in Iraq.

AVLON: Sure.

CUOMO: And that's the needs for correction, right?


LOUIS: There's going to be some of that. But look, it takes two to have a debate. So, it's fine. To me, it's fine to have a debate, a couple of old guys, you know, sort of like a couple of old guys yakking it up in a senior citizen home. But it's actually in a very serious way. This both men who had, you know, access to the nuclear trigger, they made real life decisions that cost people lives.

And we're never going to get forward, unless we really go back to the past and understand what happened. The fact is this country is divided over this, and these guys are the spokesmen for it.

BOLDUAN: It is a serious debate to be having, for sure, but then, why does it go to the personal? This is what Dick Cheney then said. He's quoted as saying, at energy trade show on Wednesday, "If there's somebody who knows something about unseemly, it's Bill Clinton."


AVLON: So, look, I mean, it goes to personal because ultimate politics is personal.


AVLON: There's a lot of personal feelings that drive these relationships that can have massive impact.

BOLDUAN: And maybe why they are reacting harshly for so others, personal for Dick Cheney, personal for his legacy.

CUOMO: If you don't have hard facts, you go at the person. That's one of the ground rules of -- you know, argument in general and they don't have a lot to stand on here in terms of the background of Iraq.

AVLON: No. Look, and this isn't a deep debate anymore. Vast majority of Americans now think Iraq was a mistake but it's an active debate because of Colin Powell's partnering bond (ph) rule, you know, to what extent do we own the mess?

And so, we're still ferreting out, you know, questions of responsibility and so, that's one of the reasons this remains a vital debate in the country.

BOLDUAN: And the important conversation we're having, though, when I use these words, everyone is going to try to cover up their ears -- recess appointments.

AVLON: Boom!

BOLDUAN: But it is important. The Supreme Court, probably the biggest blow, many people think, to the Obama administration in this session for the court, the Supreme Court ruling 9-0, really sending a message, though, a little bit split in between there, that the president's non-recess recess appointments were really unconstitutional.

What do you think about it, Errol?

LOUIS: I mean, look, first of all, it's an act of judicial activism, the fact that all the justices were involved doesn't really make that much difference. They really stepped in and did some gap-filling.

They basically created a standard. They looked back through the law and what had actually been done and then they sort of said, well, this is going to be the standard. Ten days, and only after ten days can you do a recess appointment. So that's going to be the new standard.

On the other hand, they have given a green light to Congress to stay in session perpetually, you know. Every three days, they show up for 30 seconds and say we're in session so they have sort of teed up the mother of all gridlock battles for sometime in the future.

MADDOW: But there is an argument that the -- where this comes from, the Constitution, kind of arcane anyway, because you can -- you can have this debate over nominees pretty quickly because it's not like people are going to be gone for months and months on end and unreachable because you have to send the messages back and forth by horse and carriage.

AVLON: Right. I mean, look, obviously, technology changes the conversation but recess appointments were first employed by George Washington, where the chief justice of Supreme Court, almost 250 of them were done by Ronald Reagan. Republicans didn't have a problem them.

What's different now is that the gridlock has become institutionalized. That, actually, officially, there is -- even when the Senate is out of session for 20 days, as Errol said, they still gavel in for 30 seconds.

CUOMO: I don't see this decision as activism at all, not because I'm taking the other side from you. It's just -- think about it from the court's perspective. They don't want to make the rules about what recess is and what recess is not. That's a political issue which takes you right back to judicial review with Marbury/Madison. The court always stays out of the political issue.

And what they did is they said ten days means recess. You go figure out though, we're telling you how long it is, you define what recess is, I don't think it's a blow to executive power at all. They don't even discuss executive power. Conservative judges said you're bending over backwards court, so you give the president his power.

BOLDUAN: The Obama administration says they were very -- says they're very disappointed by the decision.

CUOMO: Because Obama has done this at least from modern presidents. BOLDUAN: Why does this matter?

LOUIS: You got to keep in mind. This wasn't just any recess appointment. What looked like Senate Republicans wanted to do was cripple an agency and stop it from functioning, both the national labor relations board, as well as the Consumer Financial Protection Agency and they were on the action saying that's what we want to do. We don't want anybody appointed to these positions, we don't want this agency to function.

BOLDUAN: But this decision feeds Republicans' complaint that the president is overreaching.

CUOMO: But that's a political matter.

AVLON: No, but look, Republicans have been playing King George III card with President Obama for some time now and this decision, one of the reasons it's so impactful and the 9-0 sends a real message. The larger context here is war of attrition affecting Washington, when both sides out of power are deeply invested in delegitimizing and blocking a president's appointments.

As Errol said, they weren't going to allow anyone to take over the Consumer Protection Bureau. So, then the question is, what recourse does the president have to run a government and next time the roles are reversed, you're going to see the same fights will occur.

LOUIS: And we'll be back in court.

CUOMO: Right. And this won't be settled in court. It's a political issue and, by the way, I don't think it's settled in court. I don't think Congress has standing to sue the president over executive power. We'll take that up another day.

Errol, thank you very much. John, as always.

BOLDUAN: Happy Friday, guys.

CUOMO: Let's take a quick break here on NEW DAY. A roller coaster of emotions at the World Cup. The man, the Berlin Wall, goalkeeper Tim Howard, on yesterday's loss, yes, but it could have been much more than 1-0. He was amazing, and it wound up being a win for Team USA, and we'll discuss live.


CUOMO: Imagine dragons but no need to imagine what may happen next for Team USA, say it with me -- we believe that we will win.

The U.S. did not win against Germany at the World Cup yesterday, but it did win because it advanced, thanks to Portugal's win over Ghana. Germany in control most of the game, you could say, but it could have been conditions. The goalkeeper was amazing, Tim Howard, and we're going to have him on the show to talk to us live about what it was like yesterday going against what's probably the best team in the tournament, Germany, and what he thinks will happen against Belgium. But first a little bit of background on what happened in that game, and what may happen next.

Here's Shasta Darlington's piece on that.


SHASTA DARLINGTON, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): They say winning isn't everything, and for Team USA that certainly proved to be true. Losing to Germany in a match filled with heavy rain and high drama, America now advancing to the World Cup's knockout round. The anticipation and excitement reaching fever pitch.

Team USA defender Omar Gonzalez giving patriots something to cheer about. Never backing down against Germany's full force.

CLINT DEMPSEY, TEAM USA FORWARD: We've always said we wanted to get to the next round and after that, anything can happen. So, here we are now. I think we can get pretty far.

DARLINGTON: Even the heavy rain unable to dampen the spirits of soccer fans in Recife, millions cheering across the team across the country.


DARLINGTON: At watch parties from New York to California, Illinois to Florida, painting the country red, white and blue.

Many playing hooky or taking an extra long lunch break from work to catch the big game.

Soccer fever right now heights this year. Even President Barack Obama watched the match aboard air force one.

Our home team now faces Belgium on Tuesday, a team with iron-clad defense this World Cup, conceding only one goal through their three match-ups.

DEMPSEY: We're in the knockout stages. Doesn't matter what you do in the group stage, it matters what you're doing today.


CUOMO: That's right, Captain Clint, it doesn't matter until that day of that game, anything could happen.

Let's bring in Team USA's goalkeeper, Mr. Tim Howard.

Mr. Tim Howard, can you hear me?


CUOMO: It is very good of you to join us with so much on your plate to get ready, but America is very hungry for your participation. We all watched the match yesterday. Take me back to it, the conditions, terrible. Rain coming down, the NASA-designed ball like a speeding bullet, you facing arguably the best team next to the USA in the tournament.

You wind up being Berlin Wall. Where was your head facing this team in these conditions?

HOWARD: It was focused. The conditions were tough. We played in nasty weather before. We got thrown for a loop a little bit and not being able to warm up on the field, but that's happened and we've been in that position before. So, it was just trying to refocus and make sure that little things like that didn't throw us off.

I thought we played well. Although we lost, we played well.

CUOMO: You had unusual intensity. Is there an equivalent of being in the zone as a goalkeeper? Did you feel you were on yesterday?

HOWARD: Yes. I think there is -- the zone isn't sports specific. When you're a competitor and when the game starts to slow down and you read things quicker, I think I think you feel like you're in the zone. I felt like all season, I've been in good rhythm, you know, with my club team, and I feel like that's carried over. So, hopefully, it can last a few games longer.

CUOMO: The best save of the day. By the way, Tony Meola says you're one of the five best in the world, right? And he should know, that's high praise.

And he pointed out a goal where I think you were looking at Besler, and the German player kicks the ball through his legs and you were somehow able to pick it up and make the save. Were you impressed with yourself on that play?


HOWARD: Again, I was just focused. I remembered the play. High praise coming from Tony, one of the greats. So, I appreciate that, but, you know, that was something that happened in the game and you see it 1,000 times and that's what happen when you're experienced or old like I am. You start to see things quicker.

CUOMO: Well, you didn't look old when you were jumping around like a puma in the goal yesterday for all the world's eyes to watch.

So, let's talk about the one goal that was scored. You made a great save. You punched it back out in. Did you see that shot from Muller or was it just give him his due, a perfect shot? Was it on you or on him?

HOWARD: It was definitely on him. It was a brilliant strike to keep it inside, keep it low, hard, to the back post. It came through a couple of bodies as well, but to finish that the first time was excellent and from a player of his caliber, no surprise.

CUOMO: Now, when you look at Belgium, how do you look at them, how do you think you size up against them? I think we match up really well with them.

Having said that, they are strong and they're powerful, defensively rock solid. In the attack, they have some dangerous and some very tricky players. Very much like Germany. So, we'll have our work cut out for us, but we feel like we're strong, we're powerful and we've been playing some of the best soccer that this team has seen.

So, hopefully we'll give as good as we get.

CUOMO: Are you aware at how you have won over the country? There's no question that soccer has embraced this World Cup, this team in a way I haven't seen before. You have even old jocks like me who didn't play soccer loving you guys.

Uh-oh, I may have lost it. People running in front of the camera.

Can you hear me, Tim?

So, just answer me by saying nothing if you believe you will beat Belgium.

If you believe that the U.S. has what it takes to go, just say nothing.

I will accept that.

Now, Tim has lost his line down there. Coms are tough in Brazil. But you just get to see a little bit of the character and the poise that makes him, as Tony Meola, one of the greatest goalies in soccer history, says he's one of the five best out there, and that's the big reason that the U.S. should feel good going into Belgium, and also why so many people are embracing this team.

He's just a real cool guy who played great against probably the best team in the tournament. I mean, I hate to say it, but Germany was ranked number two. The number one team is out.

So, there you have it, one more reason to love U.S. soccer. One more reason we're so excited. I'm so confident that the U.S. is going to win, I will return to Brazil to cover the game for you guys.

Thank me later. This is just one story that we're covering here as you start your NEW DAY There's a lot of news so let's get right to it.



UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police found Charlie in his own basement.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There's no way he could have erected this makeshift area of concealment.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The 12-year-old seemingly excited to see police.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have not done anything wrong to my son.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: President Obama fired up about the partisanship that has defined his term.

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Despite all that, we're making progress.


DEMPSEY: We've always said we wanted to get to the next round and after that anything can happen.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The NBA selects Isaiah Austin from Baylor University.

ISAIAH AUSTIN, BAYLOR UNIVERSITY: It's one of the greatest moments of my life.


CUOMO: Good morning. Welcome back to NEW DAY.

We begin this hour with new details on this bizarre family drama unraveling in Detroit.

Today, police plan to talk again with 12-year-old Charlie Bothuell. That's who you're looking at right there, amazingly found alive after almost two weeks missing, and where he was found equally amazing, barricaded in his own family's basement just Wednesday.

Now, you remember, Charlie's father was told live on TV by HLN's Nancy Grace that he was found in the home, found alive, and since that, people have been skeptical of his reaction. Investigators say they are not ruling out abuse. But the father has denied any wrongdoing.

So, what's the latest? His wife, Charlie's stepmother, is now in police custody but on unrelated charges. What does this mean?

Let's bring in Alexandra Field. We have her in Detroit figuring out latest.

Alexandra, what do we know now?

ALEXANDRA FIELD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hey, Chris. The details of this case have been baffling to so many people but the latest is that this 12-year-old boy, Charlie Bothuell, is in the care of his mother two days after being found in his father's basement.

His stepmother, as you pointed out, now in police custody but on an unrelated case. It's a probation violation for an unrelated weapons charge. Meanwhile, Charlie's father says he's not been able to see his son.

Here's what he told our Nancy grace.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) NANCY GRACE, HLN: Can you just tell me whether you have seen little Charlie yet?