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Ebola Patient News; Weather Forecast; Interview with Riyad Mansour; Second Criminal Featured on "The Hunt" Found Dead

Aired August 4, 2014 - 08:30   ET

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DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN SENIOR MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: See something happening. Whether it was the medication, certainly seems like the medication, but also that one of the doctors that was taking care of Brantly described this as miraculous. It's not a word that we like to throw around too much, but that was the word that they used to describe this. And Dr. Fauci, I mean, does - again, I know antibiotic treatments typically work much more slowly, but what do you make of that when you hear this sort of description of Dr. Brantly?

DR. ANTHONY FAUCI, DIR. NTL. INSTITUTE of ALLERGY & INFECTIOUS DISEASES, NIH: Well, I think it's interesting, Sanjay. Again, I express the skepticism that any physician would. If, in fact, it was as rapid as we've been reported, that you just mentioned, that would be very interesting and very impressive. But as we all know in medicine, when you have, as we say, an n equals one, a single individual that had that experience, you note it and you hope that, in fact, that's the way it has worked, but you've got to withhold judgment as to whether or not that was completely related to the antibody.

I hope it was. I'm not trying to be -

KATE BOLDUAN, CNN ANCHOR: Right.

FAUCI: You know, undully skeptical. I hope that, in fact, that happened. But, I mean, we've taken care of individuals who come in, in shock and you give them an antibiotic, if they have a bacteria infection, but you also give them a lot of fluid and they get better real quickly. And what was it, the antibiotic or was it the fluid? So we really need to be careful.

I do hope that it was as impressive as being described, because if it is, that bodes very well for that particular product.

BOLDUAN: And also then it, of course, begs the question, you'll have a lot of people asking, and, Sanjay, I'll have you weigh in on this as well, but first to you, Dr. Fauci, do you have any impression that this experimental treatment could quickly be mass produced? Could service as -- be helpful for all of the other patients that are suffering from the outbreak in West Africa?

FAUCI: Well, one of the real problems with if, in fact, it is this product that we're talking about, is that there are very, very few doses and apparently the company is trying to scale up. It's not easy to scale up to very large numbers of doses, but that's something that's under intense discussion now about how one can actually scale up so that there are more doses available.

BOLDUAN: And what do you make of it, Sanjay?

GUPTA: Well, it was interesting when we did some of the background research and interviews yesterday. The Defense Threat Reduction Agency, a particular agency, actually secured more funding for this particular company which makes this product Zmap (ph), this investigational medication that we're talking about. And they said they improved the funding due to, quote, "promising results."

Kate, if I could, just ask Dr. Fauci one more question.

BOLDUAN: Sure.

GUPTA: The NIH -- our understanding was the NIH, at least representatives from the NIH, had awareness of this medication being offered and then subsequently given in Liberia to these two American missionary workers. Did you have knowledge of this? Do you know of other people within the organization that had knowledge of this?

FAUCI: Now, I had heard that there was an NIH person there who had knowledge that this antibody was given. That was done under no authority or chain of command. I only heard about it after the fact, that that person did -- was aware that antibody was being given.

BOLDUAN: All right.

GUPTA: So an NIH representative did -- was aware of the situation. Because the only reason I ask, again, it is unusual, right, Dr. Fauci, for a medication to be given in this manner. There are clauses like a compassionate use clause, for example -

FAUCI: Sure.

GUPTA: But this happened very, very quickly, so -

FAUCI: Right.

GUPTA: It seemed to be (INAUDIBLE) protocol of unusual.

FAUCI: Exactly. Again, the person - yes, the person only had awareness of it, was not involved in the actual administration. That was from the physicians who were primarily taking care of Dr. Brantly, as well as the company who made it available.

BOLDUAN: All right, Dr. Sanjay Gupta, Dr. Anthony Fauci, thank you so much.

GUPTA: Very good, sir (ph).

BOLDUAN: Great to have this conversation. Great reporting by Sanjay. Dr. Fauci, thank you, of course, for your time.

FAUCI: Good to be here.

BOLDUAN: I was going to ask him - I was going to spend time asking Dr. Fauci about the chances for a vaccine that obviously has been in the works, but we've got a lot to talk about today. We'll have to bring Dr. Fauci back on to talk about that as well. Thank you both so very, very much.

We'll take another break. Coming up next on NEW DAY, more on what Israel calls an attempted terror attack in Jerusalem. It comes - it came during Israel's humanitarian cease-fire in Gaza. Israel committed to seven hours. Why wouldn't Hamas commit to hold its rocket fire for the same amount of time? We're going to talk to a top Palestinian official about how he views the situation on the ground right now.

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MICHAELA PEREIRA, CNN ANCHOR: Time for the five things you need to know for your new day.

At number one, Israeli police say there was an attempted terror attack in Jerusalem. Police say the attacker drove a tractor into a bus, knocking it over. Thankfully that bus had no passengers onboard, but the tractor driver was shot and killed. This comes against the backdrop of an Israeli cease-fire. About 90 minutes remained despite accusations of violations from both sides.

A second American infected with Ebola is expected to be flown back to the U.S. tomorrow. She'll join her colleague, Dr. Kent Brantly, who's already receiving treatment in Atlanta. A secret serum is believed to have saved his life.

Nearly half a million people are still being told not to drink or cook with the water - the tap water in Toledo, Ohio. Tests show the water system is now safe after toxins were found in the water Saturday. However, the mayor is keeping the advisory in place.

One person has died and thousands more are stranded in southern California following heavy rain and mudslides which cut off roads to the towns of Forest Falls and Oak Glen. Among the trapped, 500 children at a church camp.

Washington welcomes leaders from across Africa today for the first U.S./Africa summit. Three days of meetings will focus on economic development and establishing ties with U.S. businesses.

We do update those five things to know, so be sure to visit newdaycnn.com for the very latest.

Chris.

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: All right, thanks, Mich.

Let's get right to meteorologist Indra Petersons. She's keeping track of the latest forecast for us.

What do you see?

INDRA PETERSONS, AMS METEOROLOGIST: Take a look at the south east, guys. You're talking about the same frontal system that's been sitting out here. And it's not the only thing. So we're talking about flooding concerns and heavy amounts of rain, especially when you take a look at what is hanging off the coastline. You should know by now this is Tropical Storm Bertha and it is continuing to strengthen, guys. We're talking about now steady winds at 70 miles per hour. Only at 74 miles per hour. It is so close. It doesn't become a hurricane and that's exactly what it is now expected to do. The latest forecast says, yes, Bertha's expected to be a hurricane as it goes through the overnight hours tonight, just hanging off the coast of the Carolinas.

Just keep in mind, the good news is the forecasts all says it's going to stay off shore and remain off the U.S. coastline. However, even though it stays off shore, you still talk about this frontal boundary very close to it. So we're still going to be talking about a lot of moisture kind of being pulled in from the Atlantic. Heavy amounts of rain into the southeast.

And it's not the only place. If you're going to the Midwest, Chicago looking at a different frontal system, bringing rain for them today, then into the Ohio Valley tomorrow. And then by Wednesday, it looks like it is climbing into the northeast. But regardless, there may be some rain. Good news all around that Bertha is staying off shore.

BOLDUAN: Good moves, Bertha. Thank you.

PETERSONS: Yes, right.

BOLDUAN: Thanks very much, Indra.

CUOMO: A little break here on NEW DAY. When we come back, an attempted terror attack in Jerusalem only complicating the quest for peace in the Middle East. The Palestinian observer to the U.N. is with us. We're going to ask him the tough questions that demand answers.

BOLDUAN: And he has been the focus of a manhunt for over a year, this man. Now after his story aired on CNN's "The Hunt," an anonymous tip led police to the suspect's dead body. More on this discovery when we get back.

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BOLDUAN: Welcome back to NEW DAY.

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BOLDUAN (voice-over): We are following breaking news in what Israeli police are calling a terror attack. A man slammed a tractor into a passenger bus in Jerusalem, knocking it over. No passengers were on board that bus at the time but the driver and the tractor, the driver of the tractor rather, was shot and killed. It happened during a cease-fire declared by Israel and follows another weekend of intense violence between Israel and Hamas militants in Gaza. The Palestinian perspective with on ongoing conflict in Gaza, we are joined once again by Ambassador Riyad Mansour, the Palestinian permanent observer to the United Nations. Mr. Ambassador, thank you so much for coming back in.

RIYAD MANSOUR, PALESTINIAN PERMANENT OBSERVER TO THE UNITED NATIONS: You're welcome.

BOLDUAN: So I want to get your take on what you think of this seven- hour cease-fire. Israel has declared a seven-hour cease-fire. They're moving their way through it right now. Why have you heard, why Hamas did not agree to the seven hours?

MANSOUR: This is the, first of all, unilateral cease-fire. There is a cease-fire called for by Secretary of State Kerry and secretary general of the U.N. for 72 hours, and we have a delegation in Cairo for the last two days negotiating with the Egyptians and hopefully through them, with the Israelis, if Israeli delegation shows up in Egypt in order to discuss further the cease-fire to make it a mutually agreed cease-fire, not one declared by one side and expecting the other side to abide by it.

BOLDUAN: I was going to ask you that, what you think will come in Cairo because Israel has said that they are not going to send anyone for those talks.

MANSOUR: Well, I think that if they are interested in calm and beginning, you know, to agree to a cease-fire, they should send the delegation. I understand also that the American side has a delegation there, and the Palestinian side is sending, you know, their position through the Egyptian to the Americans. And we hope that the Israelis will be convinced soon to send their delegation and to begin the process of talks.

BOLDUAN: As you have been on the show, Mr. Ambassador, you have said we need to stop the fighting, we need to stop the violence to begin talks of a permanent cease-fire. We have heard Israel agree, unilateral or not, Israel said they were stopping the fighting. They were stopping, they were putting in place a cease-fire. Where is the outrage against Hamas that they are not agreeing to it as well?

MANSOUR: Well, as I said, Hamas is part of the delegation in Egypt. It's agreed to that cease-fire, it is negotiating as part of the Palestinian delegation through the Egyptians to have a long-lasting cease-fire and to address the root causes of this conflict. Let me just say one other additional thing. We appreciate the strong statement yesterday from the U.S. administration and from the secretary general about the crime committed against the U.N. school in Rafa. And I think that somebody asked, I think in this show, what should be done with the spokeswoman of the state department. I believe that there should be an accountability. And those who have committed this crime from the Israeli side should be held responsible for that crime.

BOLDUAN: And you do believe on the other side there should be accountability for any of the attacks that Hamas militants have committed?

MANSOUR: There should be accountability for all the crimes harming innocent civilians. In this case, let me just say that more than 1, 800 Palestinians have been killed. 80 percent of them are civilians. More than 9,000 have been injured and more than 80 percent of them are civilians. Those who have committed these crimes should be held responsible.

BOLDUAN: Let me ask you this, Hamas started this latest conflict by firing rockets. Hamas has built the tunnels that they say for the sole purpose of going out and committing attacks against Israelis. Hamas, according to Israel, has hidden rockets in civilian areas, even in U.N. shelters. That's according to Israel. They say they have strong evidence of that. With all of that, do you believe that Hamas is looking out for the good of the Palestinian people at this point?

MANSOUR: International law does not allow the occupying power Israel to help civilians, even if there are some combatants close to them. The Gaza Strip is so tiny and even Israel isolated a zone of two miles deep, both around the Gaza Strip, which made this tiny strip 25 miles long with about five to seven miles in depth even smaller. When you have 1.8 million people in this highly condensed area, where is a safe place? Where would people go?

BOLDUAN: Do you ask the same question of Hamas who is a member of your national, your consensus government, as you point out whenever you're on the show. Is Hamas working for the good of the Palestinian people today?

MANSOUR: Hamas is part of our political, you know, configuration. It is part of our political, you know, rainbow. And it is part of our group that is negotiating in Egypt. The question is, how do we deal with this complicated situation? I believe that if we have a cease- fire in place and we lift the siege of Gaza and give people hope, since we have 50 percent of the population in Gaza are young people. And if those young people do not see any future for themselves, any hope for themselves, this is a great recipe for extremism and, you know, going into a direction of something even beyond Hamas. But if we give them hope, if we open the borders, if we allow them, you know, to go to schools and to look for good jobs, if we rebuild Gaza and allow for the economic vitality of Gaza, then those people will move in the direction of moderation and also we would put an end to this extremism environment that we see there.

BOLDUAN: Why is part of the conversation not speaking out when outrage is outrage? Why not have that part of that conversation be speaking out against Hamas on the part of the Palestinian authority?

MANSOUR: We are saying that let's lift the siege in order to allow for this environment. An environment different than the environment of extremism, of trying to fight the enemy, but an environment where we can rebuild Gaza and move in the direction of hope, especially for the younger generation. The national consensus government is working very hard in that direction. Number 1, let's negotiate the peace, put it in place, make it long-lasting peace. Then secondly, let's move in the direction of lifting the blockade, give people of Gaza hope, we cannot go back to the status quo. And then after that let's move to the bigger political discussion of ending this occupation, allowing for the independence of the state of Palestine so that we can have two state solution at the end of this process.

BOLDUAN: And for that to happen the rockets must stop firing, being fired. MANSOUR: All the fighting should be stopped. All the fighting,

harming innocent civilians should be stopped.

BOLDUAN: On both sides.

MANSOUR: On both sides.

BOLDUAN: Mr. Ambassador, thank you very much for your time, as always.

MANSOUR: You're very welcome. Thank you.

BOLDUAN: Chris, over to you.

CUOMO: Alright, Kate. Time to talk about "THE HUNT." The show has done it again. Another cold case closed after John Walsh brought the story to CNN. It remains identified-- remains identified in California Sunday turned out to be suspected murderer Shane Miller. Now, Miller was wanted for the killing of his wife and two daughters. Just last week, a tip led police to a New York smokes shop where they found sex offender Charles Mozdir. So you have two shows, two different discoveries in a row for the John Walsh show. And we have Deborah Ferrick with more on this one.

DEBORAH FERRICK, CNN CORRESPONEDNT: That's exactly right. First it was Charles Mozdir, now its Shane Miller. And the interesting thing about this is authorities are not yet releasing exactly how he died or when he died. What we know is that his badly decomposed body was found in a California creek by a hiker. Now, Miller was not far from the place where his truck was seen about a year ago. There was an identification on his body with his name, but he wasn't positively identified until a couple days ago.

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FERRICK (voice-over): A massive California manhunt for an alleged killer profiled on CNN's "THE HUNT" finally coming to a close. An anonymous tip leading authorities to the body of Shane Miller who police say shot and killed his wife and two young daughters.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:911 your emergency? Hello?

FERRICK: Officers discovered the bodies of Miller's wife Sandy and their two children last year when responding to a suspicious 911 call.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Our dispatchers knew there was something very wrong at the scene.

FERRICK: When authorities arrived, Miller and his truck missing. The family, murdered almost three weeks after wife Sandy fled with her daughters to a shelter for abused women.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Shane Miller became our main suspect almost immediately.

FERRICK: According to authorities, Miller's body was found near a river bank not far from where his truck was last seen. His decomposed remains identified through dental records. "THE HUNT"s John Walsh reacting to the news on CNN last night.

JOHN WALSH, HOST "THE HUNT" (voice-over): I decided to come back on CNN and this guy was one of the reasons. He's just a horrible, violent guy. Who can shoot their 5 and 8-year-old daughter to death? These families and these two towns are breathing a big sigh of relief tonight that Shane Miller is off the streets.

FERRICK: The discovery coming one week after a shoot out in New York City between police and another alleged criminal featured on "THE HUNT," Charles Mozdir.

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN (voice-over): My son sad me down and he said, "Mom, I have something to tell you." He proceeded to tell me that Charlie had touched him inappropriately.

FERRICK: Authorities tracked him down thanks to a tip submitted to the show. Just weeks into Walsh's "THE HUNT", two suspects now off of police wanted lists.

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FERRICK (on camera): And as for Shane Miller, authorities did find a bunker they believed belonged to Miller. Inside it was more than 100 weapons, 50 assault rifles and 100,000 rounds of ammunition. Chris?

CUOMO: Wow. And again, the show operates off the principle that people get involved and that's how these cases have been solved.

FERRICK: You need eyes. The more eyes you have, the better your chances of catching someone.

CUOMO: Be sure to watch "THE HUNT" on CNN Sundays at 9:00 p.m. eastern.

We'll take a break here. Coming up, much more on what Israeli police call a terror attack in Jerusalem.

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CUOMO: We have developing situations in the Middle East, we have the latest on what's going on with the Ebola patient, so let's get you right to the "NEWSROOM" with Carol Costello. Carol.

CAROL COSTELLO, CNN CNN ANCHOR: Alright, have a great day. NEWSROOM starts now.

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