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DR. DREW

New Video of Ray Rice Punching Fiancee; Teens Beat Up Disabled Man Caught on Video; Teen Girl Attempts Arson

Aired September 8, 2014 - 21:00   ET

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DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST: Tonight, outrage. New video of an NFL superstar punching his fiancee in the face and knocking her out cold. It

is the story that is topping every Twitter feed right now. The Behavior Bureau is infuriated. Plus, a mentally challenged man is tortured and it

is all caught on tape. Can social media catch the teens who did this? Let is get started.

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PINSKY: Good evening. My co-host is Samantha Schacher and coming up, the internet meme. Sam, remember Slender Man?

SAMANTHA SCHACHER, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: I do.

PINSKY: Is he responsible for another crime?

SCHACHER: That is right, Dr. Drew. Police say that a 14-year-old girl tried to burn her house down with her brother and mother in it after

reading about Slender Man.

PINSKY: Fantastic. We will get into that. And, the where fors and what fors and why. But, first, the TMZ sports video that has almost 2.5 million

YouTube views at last counts. It is a surveillance video from inside an elevator. It shows football star Ray Rice punching his fiancee at the

time, she was the fiancee then. Now, she is the wife. We will tell you about that timeline in a minute. He punches her in the face. It is tough

to watch, but here it is.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: There is some brand new video of Baltimore Ravens Running Back Ray Rice punching his then fiancee in a hotel elevator

in Atlantic City. The video posted by TMZ and it shows Rice and Janay Palmer walking into the elevator. It looks as though a heated argument.

And, then you can see once in the elevator, he punches her so fast and so hard, she goes down immediately. She hits her head against the handrail.

He then drags her out, drops her face first into the floor. They were married a month later.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

RAY RICE, BALTIMORE RAVENS RUNNING BACK: This thing happened with me and my wife and everybody questions, you know, what happened? You know,

sometimes in life you will fail. You know, but I will not call myself a failure. Failure is not getting knocked down, it is not getting up.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: Joining us, Vanessa Barnett, Hiphollywood.com, Leeann Tweeden, social commentator, the host of the Tomboys Podcast and Blog Talk Radio,

and Michael Catherwood, my co-host on Love Line. Here is the punch in slow-mo from TMZ Sports. Sam, what else do we know?

SCHACHER: Well, Dr. Drew, this story unfolded so fast because it is social media. Because when TMZ posted the video, just hours later, it was

everywhere. The NFL suspended him indefinitely. The Ravens axed him. Now, the NFL told CNN that they had not seen the video until today.

PINSKY: All right. Well, let us look at this --

LEEANN TWEEDEN, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: Ha! Ha! Ha!

PINSKY: Leeann is smirking about this. Look at this timeline, though. Two things of note here. These two were married the day after he was

indicted for this incident. He then avoided charges by going to some sort of program. It is only documented as an intervention program.

It is a year-long program of some sort. Now, I like that. I mean people should have a chance to get treatment if he is sick, and that what has lead

to this. But still, maybe it was too little too late. Leeann.

TWEEDEN: You know, first of all, somebody is lying at the NFL. This makes me really mad. And, you know, I am a sports caster by trade, Dr. Drew. I

have been on "The Best Damn Sports Show" for seven years. We you see something like this -- OK. We saw the first video that came out earlier

this year, right? The video after they came out of the elevator.

I am sorry, in the security room at the hotel, that other tape from inside the elevator is right next to that tape. So, also Peter King from "Sports

Illustrated" and Chris Mortensen from ESPN also tweeted in July that people from the NFL had seen the inside the elevator video and said that it was

hard to watch and that was awful.

So, right there, Roger Goodell needs to be held accountable, because the NFL -- look, they are like the CIA. They can find out any information they

need on this guy. And, then he gets off scot-free. And, then today when the video was released to the public, suddenly, now they are going to do

something. Full crap.

PINSKY: That seems weird. Vanessa, you are having a reaction. Go ahead.

VANESSA BARNETT, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: I think that is the society we live in. People do not believe it until they see it. People do not react until

they see it. And, we saw when Chris Brown and Rihanna had their incident, until those pictures came out, people did not go in rage and people did not

tweet and Facebook and Instagram about it until they saw it.

We saw the end of this video. People were upset, you know? But, then at the game in July, they are giving him a standing ovation. Women are still

wearing his jersey. So, people are like, "OK. You know, he apologized. We will move on." Now, we have seen the inside footage and people are not

letting it go. And, they want to see immediate action and that is why he does not have a job.

MIKE CATHERWOOD, RADIO HOST PERSONALITY: Well, also I think that the Baltimore Ravens and the NFL are also reacting to the hot water they were

in for not necessarily acting swift enough when the initial video was released.

BARNETT: Exactly.

CATHERWOOD: This gives them kind of their second chance to act a little more swiftly, a little bit more severely. But truth be told, you know, he

is doing a year long intervention program.

PINSKY: Something. I wish I knew more about what this was. I looked into it, there is nothing I can find out about this, whatever treatment he is

getting.

CATHERWOOD: Whether or not the NFL has seen this tape, which is asinine to say that they have not --

TWEEDEN: Thank you.

CATHERWOOD: The D.A., who initially brought these charges upon Mr. Rice has 100 percent seen all of the video that was brought forward. So, to

give this man, which is clearly -- I mean one of the most heinous acts of violence towards women I have ever seen.

TWEEDEN: Thank you.

CATHERWOOD: I have ever seen, and this man is doing a program for a wayward teenager.

PINSKY: Hang on, Mike. Yes. I know. But, Mike, you are going to love this. I think Sam has some tweets. I just bring them in this segment or

not. But, a lot of women are being critical of the victim in this case, which I love you ladies. You take the woman that has actually been knocked

out and dragged out of an elevator and you blame her.

SCHACHER: Yes. And, Dr. Drew, do you want me to read those tweets? But, I wanted to really quickly response to what Mike was saying, because it is

so infuriating that the NFL would sentence Josh Gordon, is that his name? From the Browns -- yes, for a year for smoking marijuana. And, then this

guy has this insane domestic violence charge and only two games. But, do you want me to read the tweets?

CATHERWOOD: By the way, marijuana use, which is legal in a lot of the places where the NFL plays. I cannot think of a place where the NFL plays,

unless they have suddenly got a game going on in Yemen, where you can just punch a lady out like that and get away with it. It is unbelievable.

TWEEDEN: Right. And, it is never OK to punch a woman, ever. They do not need to start to figure it out. It is not OK --

PINSKY: Wait. Hold on, Leeann. Slow down. Slow down. You mean it is not OK to punch a woman? I am shocked.

TWEEDEN: No. But, it seems like they are getting away with it, Dr. Drew. It is nothing to joke about.

PINSKY: Vanessa, you are not going to say people think that is OK.

BARNETT: No, I am not going to say the people think it is OK, but people do blame the victim quite often. They want to know why the women stay.

They want to know why.

TWEEDEN: It is called a $50 million contract.

PINSKY: Well, Sam have --

BARNETT: Not just that. Not just that.

SCHACHER: Are we ready for these tweets?

PINSKY: Yes. Yes. Give it to me.

SCHACHER: There is 98 percent of the tweets that we looked into today that were criticizing this girlfriend/now wife. Guess what? Were from women.

So, from Michelle, "I am going to save my outrage for an abused woman, who is smart enough not to marry her abuser after an attack like this."

From Erica, "And, yet the idiot goes and marries him. Guess, she felt the money was more important. And, finally, another one from Dina, "What gets

me is she married him after he beat the hell out of her. Teacher, daughters, who respect themselves, enough to walk away from the abuse."

TWEEDEN: I agree to all of those tweets.

PINSKY: Well, listen. But, I cannot argue with Dina. That at least -- at least there is a prescriptive advice there.

CATHERWOOD: But, Dr. Drew, do not we every single night talk to abused women on Love Line. And, one of the most uncanny and unfortunate aspects

of domestic abuse is that the same unique and very unfortunate mind frame that it takes to be an abuser is also this leading to the same kind of

unique and very rare mindset of the abused victim. It is almost uncanny how can they find themselves.

PINSKY: You are tiptoeing around something that I am going to get into with the Behavior Bureau next, which is that somebody -- the victim and the

victimizer have an uncanny ability to find each other over and over and re- enact these things over again. And, I think that is what you are talking about. We do talk of that a lot on Love Line.

We will talk about why that happens with the Behavior Bureau, up next. And later, a mentally disabled man, beaten up by teenagers. And, this video

also gone viral, be with that and more, after this.

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LISA BLOOM, LEGAL ANALYST, AVO.COM: NFL, does it take TMZ to do an investigation for you. When a woman is punched in the face, knocked out

and is unconscious on the ground?

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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

RACHEL NICHOLS, CNN HOST OF "UNGUARDED": If TMZ could obtain the video, the video is obtainable. There is no excuse that the NFL or the Baltimore

Ravens are saying, "Oh, we did not see that video.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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JANAY RICE, RAY RICE`S WIFE: I do deeply regret the role that I have played in the incident that night.

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CLINTON YATES, WASHINGTON POST COLUMNIST: Both Ray and his then-fiancee admitted to the police what happened in the elevator, meaning,they knew the

facts. It should not have to be backed up by video evidence in order to indefinitely suspend the guy.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

RAY RICE, BALTIMORE RAVENS RUNNING BACK: I was going to own my actions and be a man about it and take whatever was given to me.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: If a guy can play, somebody will put him on the field.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: Back with Sam and our Behavior Bureau. Evy Poumpouras, Law Enforcement Analyst, former Special Agent Secret Service; Judy Ho, Clinical

Psychologist, professor at Pepperdine University and Ginger Gonzaga, Actress and Comedienne.

We are talking about some disturbing video obtained by TMZ sports. I am going to show it to you again. Take a look. It is a surveillance video

from inside a Casino elevator that caught NFL Star, Ray Rice, in a violent -- Oh, my goodness. He maybe spit on her too. It looked like.

SCHACHER: Oh, my God.

PINSKY: He is with his fiancee at the time, Janay, who is now his wife. So, we were talking in the previous segment about the NFL needing to see

the punch, or at least the rest of us to see this punch before the NFL took action. I mean what if there was no video, Sam?

SCHACHER: Gosh, Dr. Drew, it would have been a two-game suspension. A two-game suspension, because guess what? He is a good player and that is

all they care about.

PINSKY: Judy, were you bothered by the video we just watched coming into this segment? He and his wife seems so matter of fact about their behavior

as though, what are you going to do? You know, I am going to be a man to take a look, you know? Own it up -- As though, it was a speeding ticket or

something. This is egregious behavior. You know?

JUDY HO, PH.D., CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Absolutely. And, what that tells me, Dr. Drew, is that this is a pattern for them. This is not the first

time. It is probably just the first time captured on video. But, firmly, there is a dynamic that has been developing between them for a long time.

And, what really gets me, Dr. Drew, is that the NFL has mandatory psychological evaluations before players even enter the draft.

And, yet, they used that information after Willy Nilly. So, whatever they want to take, they take. And, even when they see some of these elevated

things, stressors, personality patterns, they allow these people to enter the draft and enter their team, because you know what? It is some of the

same personality traits that make them good players on the field.

PINSKY: Ginger, I am going to let you answer and comment. But I just saw a tweet up along side Judy there that said, "I am so afraid for Janay, now

that he is going to lose his job. He is not going to have maybe money. He is going to be more stressed. He is going to have more time. What do you

say?

GINGER GONZAGA, ACTRESS AND COMEDIENNE: Yes. Actually, it makes everything even more dangerous for her as a victim, because a lot of women

who are in domestic abuse relationships, do not actually -- it is very rarely fatal until they break up and that is because that person has

nothing left to lose. In this case, if she were to leave him, he has now lost her and he has lost job for a time being.

SCHACHER: Wow.

GONZAGA: But, what I really wanted to point out was the kind of -- what Judy was saying the roles they are playing with this speech that they gave.

It is a very unfortunate dynamic. He literally says, "I am not a failure. It is about getting knocked down and picking yourself back up again." That

is almost a message to her saying that she is strong. She has been knocked down, but she is picking herself back up.

And, then she apologizes for a role that she played in this. You do not have to apologize for fighting with your fiancee or for your husband. And,

you definitely do not need to apologize for getting hit by an NFL player, which is even more violent. I just think they have fallen into this

pattern that is very unhealthy.

PINSKY: Hit and knocked out unconscious.

SCHACHER: Yes. Her shoes flew off her feet, Dr. Drew.

PINSKY: -- this is a serious -- he could have done her serious -- may have still done serious bodily harm.

SCHACHER: Absolutely.

PINSKY: If you get a brain injury sufficient to lose consciousness, that can affect you the rest of your life. I do not care who you are.

SCHACHER: And, to Ginger`s point, then the Ravens fan tweeted her apology. Just to announce to all the fans that Janay is taking ownership. And, I

thought that was so disturbing and actually disgusting. Because then you are insinuating that she, somehow, instigated it, asked for it. More

victim blaming from the Ravens.

PINSKY: OK. Evy have not talked yet. She is waiting calmly with her guns loaded as usual. Go ahead, Evy.

EVY POUMPOURAS, LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: You know what? This does not matter if it is the NFL or just an average person. It is appalling. The

only reason the NFL is coming out publicly and they removed them from this position is because we all know about it. We all know about it. And,

because of the backlash they are getting from everybody out there, the disgust from everybody, they have reacted to it.

I think if this video had not gone out, they would have done nothing. And, then, what is interesting what you mentioned before about his apology, when

he says, "I do not fail" or I have failed and I am going to get back up," it is

about him. It is not about her. He does not care about her. And, it is very obvious that this is a pattern of behavior with him. It is the norm.

And, she is taking ownership. And, the fact that there is no emotion or affect, it is because they have brought it to this neutral place, where

like, "Well, yes, this happens. It is the norm. It is part of our relationship." Does not this happen everywhere? No, it does not. They

need to charge him and they can make an example that this is unacceptable in American society across the board.

PINSKY: You are so right, Evy. I mean that is the part that I find so baffling and so problematic about this. It is the matter of factness.

Ginger?

GONZAGA: Well, yes. And, the NFL rarely has a problem. In this case, it is clearly business over ethics. They ignored this tape. They know he is

a valuable player. The NFL brings in so much money, but the NFL has several criminals who worked for them. We had Michael Vick.

We have -- oh, gosh, I want to say Ray Lewis, but I might be wrong. You know, athletes who have murdered people and then go on to win, you know,

trophies. I am terrible, whatever you win in the NFL, people.

PINSKY: Let me throw up a few tweets. So, they are really kind of disturbing, if you guys would not mind looking at this, because as usual,

the twitter verse has its own sort of version. We already talked about some of the tweets that were women attacking the victim, and Janay in this

case. Evy, as I bring this one, here is one, "Getting knocked out was not enough for Ray Rice`s wife to leave him. But getting fired from the NFL

will be." Evy.

POUMPOURAS: You know, I think a little bit -- people are a little harsh on her, because one person can say yes. You know what? Maybe she stayed with

him for the money. But, you know what, Dr. Drew, there are so many women who are abused, who there is no money. They are just used to being in an

abusive relationship because that is all they know.

PINSKY: Right.

POUMPOURAS: And, they fear -- it is almost like you have a dog in cage and you keep that dog in cage for years and years. And, then, one day you

finally open up the door to the cage and the dog does not come out because that is all it knows. It is afraid to come out, because they are afraid of

change and the consequences of what will happen.

So, I really think people need to kind to temper themselves down, being a battered women, there is -- you know, battered syndrome, you know where

women stay in these bad relationships and this just happens everywhere. No matter what part of the spectrum you want whether you are making a lot of

money or no money.

PINSKY: That is right. Judy, last thought.

HO: Well, Dr. Drew, I think there are two main ingredients in an abusive relationship. One is the abuser will isolate the abuse and make them their

center of their world. And, that is when they really weird down on their self esteem. They feel like they have no where else to go, Dr. Drew. So,

she has no other contact.

PINSKY: Coercion in control. Coercion in control where you wear the person down. They almost become -- some of them become almost Stockholm

Syndrome like where they identify with the abuser. I wonder if that is where we are here. And, there is a lot to this. There is a lot to be

learned from it.

But, ultimately, I agree with Evy. I think more needs to be done because this is being sort of brushed aside. It is just one of those things. A

year of treatment -- Yes, OK. But, let us know what is happening here and why. Maybe there is an explanation. I do not see it.

Next, an internet memes -- speaking of explanations. An Internet meme cause a teen to burn down her house with her family inside. And, later, a

sickening assault of a mentally disabled man who beg his tormenter to stop. The video has gone viral. Maybe you can help us figure out who all these

perpetrators are in this particular case. Back after this.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE OFFICER: There are things on the internet that are disturbing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: This is the book, "Soul Eater."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE OFFICER: It is about killing people who are trying to get their souls.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: The 14-year-old girl had been reading online when she decided to do this. Set fire to her family`s home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE OFFICER: And, she decided she was going to kill her family.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: Her panicked mother got her son to safety, then risked her own life trying to find her daughter in the fire.

Detectives also found the teens journal with documented thoughts of killing. The teen also references Slenderman, a fictional character who

kills.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: Back with Sam, Vanessa, Leeann and Mike. The 14-year-old girl who apparently was obsessed with Slenderman allegedly set her own house on fire

with her mother and little brother, inside. They forcedly escape. She was found 3 miles away in a park bathroom, where she planned to spend the

night. Sam, tell me about this girl`s social profile.

SCHACHER: I looked at her social media profile, Dr. Drew, on her Facebook Page. Wow, it is very telling. So, not only that she have a number of

pictures of Slenderman. There are also pictures of -- I am trying to see which one you guys are focusing on her. Her profile is Laughing Jack.

That is another fictional character from Creepypasta. That is the guy with a black and white nose.

You also see in her main photo, a Sonic Hedgehog covered in blood. I also looked at the some of the comments underneath the photographs of the

Creepypasta. The fictional characters like Slenderman and Laughing Jack and a number of her friends would say, "Do not you know that these

characters are photoshopped. They are not real." Almost insinuating that maybe she thought that these Creepypastas, these fictional characters were

indeed real.

PINSKY: And, Sam, I looked the Facebook Page. Did you notice that she is on that page. There are pictures of her and she looks like a normal little

girl. Did you see that? It was crazy.

SCHACHER: I did. Yes. I really do not want to say, but yes.

PINSKY: And, that is the thing you have to realize that -- I will talk with the Behavior Bureau, this mental illness. It can strike anywhere,

anytime. You do not have to look a certain way to get this condition. But, we are wondering whether or not, the Slenderman sort of hold scene

contributed to the degree of violence and the dark quality in which she manifest.

Now, she did this whole thing. She carried this whole thing out by dousing a towel with alcohol and bleach. Lights the towel on fire then she lights

her house on fire, runs to a bathroom in a park, 3 miles away, where as I said she had supplies to spend the night. Mike this was premeditated too.

So, people are going to get on before calling it mental illness. There was a premeditation components to this.

CATHERWOOD: No. It is. And, people are so scared of those words. Here is the deal. Whether it was the Beatles, whether it was heavy metal music

after that or then it was video games then it was violence in movies and now it is like memes and stuff that you can get on the internet. They are

always looking for ways. The site is looking for ways to blame and scapegoat stuff on something else that is exposed to our children.

PINSKY: Right.

CATHERWOOD: Truth to the matter is there is a lot of kids out there that are struggling with mental illness and this is how it manifest.

PINSKY: That is right.

CATHERWOOD: It is not Ozzy Osbourne`s fault.

SCHACHER: Right.

CATHERWOOD: It is not video games and it is not Slenderman. These are all like just minuscule-kind of -- very fractional kind of aspects that lead to

kids kind of having these almost cartoonist-like outburst.

PINSKY: Yes.

CATHERWOOD: And, the truth is, this is like 14-year-old children are delicate as is even in the best of circumstances. You throw in a little

salt and pepper of mental illness and things go haywire.

PINSKY: Leeann.

CATHERWOOD: And, the sooner we could start -- really engaging the better - -

PINSKY: I agree. I totally agree. Leeann.

TWEEDEN: Dr. Drew, well, first of all, I thought --

PINSKY: Before -- and, by the way, Leeann, before the Slenderman, it was demons.

SCHACHER: You are right. Or bloody Mary or Candy Man.

TWEEDEN: Sure. It was always something. I mean first of all, I thought we were done with Slenderman. It has been a while since we had done the

story on this, so I though it had gone away. Second of all, you know, I had to think about this. And, my son is turning 1 tomorrow.

So, I am thinking of these things as a parent now through those lenses. But, when I was a kid we went out and play in the dirt. We played in the

earth. We were kids that were -- I mean nobody reads books anymore. This girl is reading this online. They are reading digital stuff, where you can

easily go down the rabbit hole when you are online and you start watching videos and you start going to these Creepypasta sites. It is like the girl

did not even know what was reality anymore. You know what I mean?

And, to me I see a parent that maybe just kind of did not really pay attention to what her daughter was doing. And, it makes me angry that the

mom and the fire fighters actually risked their life to go back into the home, the burning home, because they thought she was still in there.

PINSKY: All right, I am going to show you re-enactment of the text that she sent to the mom right after she had burned the house down. Then

Vanessa will react on that. Go ahead.

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UNIDENTIFIED 14-YEAR-OLD GIRL: Mom, I am sorry. I do not know why I did it. Did any of you get hurt?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: So, Vanessa, I mean she seems remorseful.

BARNETT: Right.

PINSKY: And, she seems confused about what have happened. So, it is not like you know a hard criminal going, "Ha, ha, you know, I got them."

BARNETT: Yes, but also, those text do not screen to mental illness. It seems like she is very aware of what she did.

PINSKY: I do not why I did it. Says, I do not understand what just happened.

BARNETT: But, then, in the next -- I am calling BS on Slenderman like other people said, rap music did not call people to kill, and steal and

murder and all. Slenderman ain`t telling her to get some bleach and light her house on fire. That is all crap and we are looking for an excuse.

My thing is, it comes parenting with me. She may have a mental illness. She may walk me through that, but at the end of the day, it is parenting.

If you see something wrong, you step in and if you do not see anything wrong, you are not looking hard enough.

Every 14-year-old has something going on. You need to be reading journals. You need to be in that bearing. You need to look at social media, because

when you see the bloody hedgehog on her Facebook page --

SCHACHER: Exactly.

PINSKY: Yes.

TWEEDEN: Or take her computer and put it out in the living room. So, you always see your child on the internet. That is what my friends do with

their older son.

PINSKY: Yes.

BARNETT: And, if your child is getting upset because you are giving them stipulations or punishment or they need to do choirs, there is a big

problem. Every teenager has choirs. So, if they cannot handle that, there is your glittering problem, mom.

SCHACHER: Exactly.

PINSKY: But, now, let me tell you something. If your child is having difficulties and you do not understand it. There is a responsible party

that is usually in your life, which is that child`s paediatrician or doctor.

That is his or her responsibility to look after this and evaluate it and advice you, call her doctor if she is saying weird things. Understand that

you do not have to look further than that. There are people who actually have responsibility to look after these people. Sam.

SCHACHER: Yes. Dr. Drew, just going on what Vanessa was just stating. It is pretty interesting that when I was looking at her social media profile

was that some of her friends would write, "Wow, this is scary. You are scaring me."

But, then her own mother would not take notice to this. If she would have just look at her Facebook page, she would have seen this obsession of all

the darkness and creepyness.

PINSKY: Yes. Well, that is right. But, again --

SCHACHER: And, Dr. Drew, do not you find it is weird that his friends are actually writing on her Facebook saying, this is weird --

PINSKY: Yes. Listen, that is why electronic media is the parent`s friend.

CATHERWOOD: That is right, Drew.

PINSKY: What is that, Mike.

CATHERWOOD: We have got to get her to return to traditional kind of ideals and values for children. We need 14-year-olds on the internet looking for

Pristine Beaver not --

PINSKY: Mike. Mike. Mike. Mike. No. No. We need to be more backwards -- when men were men, when Leeann was a child, before the

automobile, before electronic media. She was describing something from another time. But listen. Listen, for parents. This is my point, for

parents, the internet can be your friend.

Your kids are going on it. They just are. Put all the nanny gear on that you possibly can, they are going to be doing things and you need to have

all he password. You need to look on it. You need to go downstream and see what other kids are saying about your kid. You can learn a ton. Learn

how to be a sophisticated user of social media and you can learn about your kids and not be fearful of what they are getting exposed to.

And, then take action, some parenting action. I agree with Vanessa. You got to take some parenting action. But, also notify people that are

responsible for the mental health of their child if things seem out of line, whether it is a school, the school councillor, the physicians. There

are people who are actually responsible. You can rely on them.

Next up, we got this girl`s journal entries and later, who beats up a defenseless disabled man and then tapes it? We will show you that video.

It is making around on social media. We are back momentarily.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE OFFICER: It is very disturbing. It is about killing people and trying to get their souls. There is a part in this book where

two characters get in a fight with each other. All of a sudden that clicks something in her mind and she decided she was going to kill her family.

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PINSKY: Back with Sam and our Behavioral Bureau, Evy, Judy, and Ginger. We are talking about a 14-year-old girl who, perhapsm was influenced by the

internet memes` Slenderman, who is this sort of faceless cartoon figure that people make up stories about. Police say she tried to kill her mom

and brother by setting the house on fire.

Now, Judy, before we get on to talk about what is the psychiatric condition of this young girl, my question to you is why Slenderman? Why is he damn

so popular with teen girls? And, why teen girls?

HO: I know. You know what? So, many of my patients who are teens talk about Slenderman. They dress up on Halloween like Slenderman. It is a big

thing for this particular --

PINSKY: Why? Do you have any idea?

HO: You know what? I think -- here is the thing. You know, I think teenage brains, you know, what are they dealing with in those years? There

are certain developmental things we have to consider. And, they are starting to learn these critical thinking skills. But, their brains are

still overly relying on the emotions, the limbic part of your brain.

PINSKY: Yes. Yes, the frontal lobe shutdown.

HO: Exactly. And, so I think that they are a little more vulnerable. Now, the girls that are mostly affected by it. It is interesting because

the girls who are affected tend to do very aggressive things that are actually outside of the social context of what you would expect with

teenage girls, because they are mostly socially aggressive as well. You know, in terms of being physically aggressive, that is a lot less.

But with Slenderman obsessions, it is very common. So, again, I think it is the emotional. I think it is partially their development. And, they

are so easily influenced by their peers. So, if one person send Slenderman in the class, everybody talks about it.

PINSKY: All right. Sam, you get that?

SCHACHER: Dr. Drew, millions of teens are into Creepypasta right now. And, Slenderman is one of the most popular fictional characters in them.

If I was a teenager, I would probably be into Slenderman.

PINSKY: Judy, let us grab Sam after the show and study her.

SCHACHER: What?

PINSKY: Crack her open and figure out what has gone wrong.

SCHACHER: Oh, please do. It is no different than, you know, being really obsessed with Candy Man or any of those -- I used to love "Pet Cemetery,"

any of those scary movies. But, then with Slenderman and Creepypasta, you can actually write your own and it just takes it to a whole other level. I

do not think it is just that odd. If it was not Slenderman, it would be something else.

PINSKY: Now, in her diary, she talks of having thoughts of killing, even has a message for her mother. Take a listen to this re-enactment.

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UNIDENTIFIED 14-YEAR-OLD GIRL: If this keeps up, there will be no one safe in this house. Mom, if you ever find this before it happens, I am sorry.

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PINSKY: Ginger?

GONZAGA: Yes. I mean I think clearly we are dealing with mental illness here. And, what she is writing about is so childish. Her response for

things does not fit the crime. That happens a lot of times with these mentally-ill criminals. Basically, she is saying, "Oh, we had a fight

about chores. Well, I am going to get you. I am going to burn the house down.

PINSKY: Yes.

GONZAGA: So, it is not a normal response.

PINSKY: Right.

GONZAGA: Yes.

PINSKY: And, Evy, sees evil in some of this, sometimes. I am wondering if she is going to take up there today.

POUMPOURAS: You know, I think that there is something underlying factor or something wrong with this young girl, but I do feel that a lot of this can

be prevented if parents really pay attention to what is going on with their children. Technology is not going anywhere. It is going to get worse.

And, today it is Slenderman. Tomorrow it is going to be something else. I agree with Sam. You cannot blame this stuff. You have to take it overt

action in preventing this. Leeann mentioned earlier in the last block. You know what? The computers, do not have your children have their

computers in their rooms. The computers should be in a public area.

Monitor, go through the history on the internet. See what your children are searching, who they are talking to, read their journals, snoop around,

parents. That is your job. Your job is to be nosey, not to respect the privacy of a 14-year-old girl.

If you want to go even further, get something that is called a key locker. It is a program that actually allows you to see the key strokes of what

somebody types on a keyboard. That way, if your child deletes something, you can go back and see the history of everything she has typed. Be an

investigator, be smart. Watch your children.

PINSKY: It is funny. Yes, Evy --

SCHACHER: I would not want Evy as my mom.

PINSKY: Well, people will be discomfort with that kind of setup. But, you have a job to do. It is not an adult you are dealing with. Judy, do you

agree with that or do you have -- there should be boundaries somewhere?

HO: No, no. The boundaries are actually that the parents need to keep an eye on the children so much more than we expect.

PINSKY: All right, Judy, I am running out of time. But, really quickly, I just want to get your opinion on that. Do you agree on that, basically.

But, my question is, before the break, diagnostically, we are talking about depression and we are talking about an early psychotic illness in this

child, what do you think?

HO: I think it is an early psychotic illness, Dr. Drew.

PINSKY: Yes. Yes.

HO: And, that is really a bad sign, because usually the psychotic break happens late teens to the early 20 stage.

PINSKY: Right.

HO: When that happens this early, their prognosis is very poor for recovery.

PINSKY: That is exactly right. All right, next up. Two arrested in a beating of a disabled man. This disabled man, in fact. Can Twitter and

Facebook help police find the other suspects involved with this incident? We are back after this.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: A mentally disabled man pleads with a group of teens in Newark to stop beating him. But, in a video that is difficult

to watch, the 26-year-old is slammed to the ground, smacked and shouted at. The video has gone viral on Instagram.

His family tells eyewitness news the video made them speechless. The godmother says he trusted the group of teens who hurt him to be his friends

and then he is suffering emotional along with his physical trauma.

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PINSKY: Back with Sam, Vanessa, Leeann and Judy. Law enforcement confirmed at least five separate attacks on the victim, videotaped, two

suspects, get this, ages 13 and 14. Not Slenderman aficionados, by the way. Two of them have been arrested, so far. Sam, social media played a

big role in this arrest. Tell me about it.

SCHACHER: A huge role, Dr. Drew. So, enraged locals, who saw the video began to post them on Instagram and Twitter. As the videos went viral,

people who recognized the alleged teen culprits began to post their names and phone numbers online.

That is when the teens were reportedly bombarded by phone calls and get this, their parents went to the police to complain their children were

being harassed. And, that is when investigators turned the tables and arrested the teens for their alleged involvement in the attack.

PINSKY: Now, two teenage suspects face misdemeanour charges with assault on vulnerable adult and offensive touching. Both are now free after

posting $2,500 bail. Leeann, you also think the parents should be charged with something?

TWEEDEN: Yes. I mean parents can be held responsible if your kids does not show up for school. OK, truancy. And, then you have your kids beating

a man that has the mind of a second grader, I think his mom said.

PINSKY: Yes.

TWEEDEN: And, they are doing it over and over and over, again. It makes me want to throttle the parents by their throat. I mean they are punching

this kit. One of the kids, you see him, obviously there is multiple cameras, because another kid goes around and gets in the kid`s face when he

gets punched in because he they turned around and face the other way. And, I am thinking, what is wrong with these children?

SCHACHER: Right.

TWEEDEN: Obviously, their parents did not teach them anything and then the parents to call and say, "My child is being harassed," because some other

brave, senior students at that high school actually said, you know, we need to out this people and find who these kids are and hold them responsible.

So, yes, let us hold the parents responsible too.

PINSKY: Vanessa, you want a pile on there?

BARNETT: I mean where is empathy? Why are not these kids -- why do not these kids feel for them?

PINSKY: Vanessa, hold. You are going to love this. This is somewhat I would thought. You are right, where is the empathy. Let me tell you about

the victim. He had a syndrome called Williams Syndrome, as Leeann said he functions as at a second grade level.

Now, Williams Syndrome is a genetic disorder. It is characterized by some cardiovascular problems, developmental delays like what you have said,

second grade level. But, Vanessa, the thing about these kids is that they are very likable. They are excessively social personalized, they are

excessively trusting, they are excessively likely to be nice and kind and sort of lovely to be around.

BARNETT: That -- I do not want to cry. I am not going to cry. But, it almost breaks my heart more to know that all he wanted was to be their

friend. And, all he wanted was for them to like him.

PINSKY: That is right. He probably went up and just said hi, and in a weird way, I am almost scared that this is what he had, because I can see

some lawyer coming in and saying the kids were scared because they thought he was too nice and he was going to do something inappropriate.

PINSKY: Poor boundaries, yes.

BARNETT: But, it scares me where this could go. And, I feel for his family. I do not understand how kids cannot connect with another human

being and say, "You know, I do not want to be hit. So, why would I hit you?" It scares me.

TWEEDEN: That tweet was great. I see humans but not humanity.

SCHACHER: And, Leeann, if he was actually right around, I was going to bring up that tweet. That tweet was tweeted by somebody just around the

same age as these alleged suspects.

PINSKY: And, Judy, you have dealt with Williams syndrome. Tell me what you have been through. What you have noticed about that syndrome?

HO: Well, you have just the mention the excessive social personality and we kind of call that a cocktail party personality syndrome. They are very

talkative. Their language skills are very developed. But, unfortunately, because of their cognitive deficit when they speak, there is not really a

lot of content to it. They are very tangential, but they are very likable. Now, the problem is, with Williams syndrome, there are -- take out your

brain, Dr. Drew.

PINSKY: Here we go. Bring it in.

HO: All right. I am so excited.

PINSKY: I am going to split it in half.

HO: Split it in half and point the amygdala for me.

PINSKY: The amygdala is down here.

HO: The amygdala is a seed of our human emotion. It is also where our fear responses are.

PINSKY: Right. Our fear response and we note things that have an important valance. We go, "Oh, my Gosh. That is important and it is

scary."

HO: Absolutely.

PINSKY: And, then it triggers emotion, violent based emotion. In the Williams syndrome case, that is suppressed. Right?

HO: It is suppressed with human beings, meaning that with humans they do not think to be fearful. So, when somebody is yelling at them, they are

not scared. But with non-human like animals, they are more hyper vigilant. So, this explains why he might have seen these kids and said, "Hey, they

love me." Even though they are yelling at him and hate him.

PINSKY: All right, next up. The woman responsible for this video going viral is here with us. She is a young girl, almost the same age as the

kids, the perpetrators. We will talk to her after this.

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PINSKY: We are back with Sam, Vanessa, Leeann and Judy. We are talking about the beating of a 26-year-old man with a mental disability, caught on

tape. And, when the disturbing video goes viral, it inspires tens of thousands of tweets. On the phone, I have 16-year-old, Angeliz whom after

seeing the disturbing video posted to Instagram with a hashtag, #THEBULLYPROJECT. It exploded from there. And, Angeliz, this is a very

personal story for you, right?

ANGELIZ, 16-YEAR-OLD GIRL: Yes, sir.

PINSKY: How come?

ANGELIZ: Well, I have a mentally disabled brother, actually, at home. A few years back, he actually got bullied and they jumped him when he was

walking home from school. And, we filed a police report and nothing was done about it. And, I was not old enough to even know social media and

things like that. But, then when I seen the video, I was like, that could have been my brother again.

It hit me so hard and it hit so close to home, as soon as I seen it, my emotions were just enraged and at the same time, I was like, you know what?

We are going to fix this. We are going to change this. I put it on YouTube like at least 20 minutes later, I get an e-mail that they deleted

it. And, then I am like, that is not where I am going to stop. That is not it.

I had so much motivation to get this video out there. I wanted everyone to see this. He is shrieking and crying, saying leave me alone. I did not do

anything. And they continued to beat him and punch him, stomp on him. And I just -- just looking at the video. It is disturbing. I do not know how

I can finish the video.

PINSKY: Angeliz, a couple of things. A. I know I speak on behalf of everyone both on the panel, God bless you. Well done. An important

feeling to follow and great instinct. Maybe you could help us understand what is going on with a 13 or 14-year-old that would do this? Is there

something going on with your peers that we need to understand better?

ANGELIZ: I do not know. Some people have the mentality of, it is OK to mess with everyone. It is OK, as long as I have my friends behind me. I

can do whatever I want. As long as I groups or cliques or squads, whatever they want to call them, they think OK, I have my friends. So, if you want

to fight, everyone is going to be there. If you hit me, they are all going to hit you.

PINSKY: Again, Vanessa, it is the psychology of moms. It scares me that we are getting more and more this way these days.

BARNETT: And it is also the want to go viral and the want to be popular, because everyone has their phone out and everyone was taping it.

TWEEDEN: What if we have these college kids come down and show these little 13 and 14-year-old kids what it is like to be beat up. It would be

a different story.

PINSKY: Sam.

SCHACHER: Here is the positive part about social media. This young girl, this 16-year-old girl, who is utilizing hash tags, not only to raise

awareness, but to have a call to action campaign. Kudos.

PINSKY: And, Angeliz -- one of the producers was just telling me that she wants to be a forensic investigator. So, you are on your way, my dear.

Please continue to contribute. All right, Angeliz. We need to have her back. Get your training and come back. I like that idea.

TWEEDEN: She is going to be a young woman that changes the world.

PINSKY: It could be. Listen, somebody has to turn this battleship around. Thank you all for watching. DVR us then you can watch us anytime.

"Forensic Files" is the show that follows us. Thank you, panel. Good job, tonight. "Forensic Files" up now.

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