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Nephew: Duncan Had 103-Degree Fever; Ebola Fears Cause Panic in the Skies; General Warns of Ebola Coming Over Southern Border; Black Teenager Shot by St. Louis Police Officer; ISIS About Eight Miles from Baghdad Airport
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ERIN BURNETT, CNN HOST: OUTFRONT tonight, breaking news on several fronts. In the first interview since Ebola patient, Thomas Eric Duncan, died, his family tells OUTFRONT that the hospital sent Duncan home when his temperature spiked to 103. My exclusive interview with Duncan's nephew.
Plus a black teen shot by a white officer in St. Louis. New surveillance video showing the teen's final moments. His parents speak out to OUTFRONT.
And Suze Orman on the Microsoft CEO who told women, don't ask for a raise, trust good karma. Let's go OUTFRONT.
Good evening. I'm Erin Burnett. OUTFRONT tonight, the breaking news, 103 degrees. Ebola patient, Thomas Eric Duncan's family telling us tonight that Duncan had a 103 degree fever when a Texas hospital sent him home.
Duncan's family tells me that on Duncan's first visit to Texas Health Presbyterian in Dallas, the same night he told staff he'd just arrived from Africa. He was sent home with a fever of 103. It is a stunning revelation.
If true, it is the latest indication that the hospital missed major signs of a man with Ebola. We asked the hospital about this today and they told us that they are, quote, "evaluating the chain of events leading up to Duncan's death this week."
In a moment I'm going to speak exclusively to Duncan's nephew, Josephus Weeks. It's the first time Duncan's family has spoken out since his death.
But first we begin with Miguel Marquez OUTFRONT.
MIGUEL MARQUEZ, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Questions about the care and death of Thomas Eric Duncan. Did Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas make critical errors in his diagnosis and treatment?
Duncan's nephew, Josephus Weeks, said his uncle was sent home from the hospital's emergency room, despite having a temperature of 103 degrees and that he had just been in Liberia.
But in an October 3rd press release, Dallas Presbyterian Hospital said Duncan came to the emergency room with a temperature 101.1 degrees describing his symptoms as not severe.
The press release went on saying Duncan suffered abdominal pain for two days, a sharp headache and decreased urination. These symptoms could be associated with many communicable diseases as well as many other types of illnesses.
When he was asked whether he had nausea, vomiting or diarrhea, he said no. Duncan's family upset at the apparent difference in care between Duncan, Dr. Kent Brantley, Nancy Writebol and NBC freelancer, Ashuko Mukpo received at other medical facilities.
Dallas County Commissioner John Wiley Price said the reason Duncan was initially turned away from the hospital -- race.
JOHN WILEY PRICE, DALLAS COUNTY COMMISSIONER: Historically, what has happened in this community, if a person who looks like me shows up without insurance, they don't get the same treatment.
MARQUEZ: The hospital added Duncan got the same high level of attention and care that would be given to any patient regardless of nationality or ability to pay for care. In this case that included a four-hour evaluation and numerous tests.
We have a long history of treating a multi-cultural community in this area. But Eric Duncan was treated unfairly says a family statement. He to walk into the hospital on his own and it took eight days to get an experimental medicine to him.
Dallas Presbyterian said Duncan had 50 people looking after him and dedicated an entire intensive care ward to him. It also said the drug, ZMapp, was not available, but that Duncan was the first to receive the experimental anti-viral drug, Brincidofovir.
MARQUEZ: Now does Mr. Duncan's and his family's statements square the big question, Nancy Writebol, the American nurse who contracted Ebola while she was serving in Liberia. She went to the hospital there. They initially sent her home with 103-degree temperature.
They thought she had malaria. It's a very tough illness to detect and now, you know, Mr. Duncan and his family are sorting through this and they are saying that, look, this was America. He should have gotten much better treatment -- Erin.
BURNETT: They feel that and they have many reasons for feeling that way. Miguel, thank you so much.
And I want to bring in Thomas Eric Duncan's nephew, Josephus Weeks. And Josephus, it is not good to talk to you in these circumstances again. But we are so sorry for your loss, for your family's loss, for your mother and your brother, how is your family doing? JOSEPHUS WEEKS, NEPHEW OF EBOLA VICTIM THOMAS ERIC DUNCAN: We are all stressed right now and it has been hard on everybody. But we are still holding together, trying to support each other and doing the best we can.
BURNETT: Josephus, I know that you have your uncle's medical records now and I wanted to ask you questions that are so important for the nation and for the world to understand what happened in Dallas.
The hospital said that when your uncle first arrived, he had a temperature of 100.1 degrees, abdominal pain, sharp headache, and decrease urination, those are the words that they used to describe it.
But now you have the records. That night that he went and was sent home, is that what they say?
WEEKS: I think you're asking me about his first visit and his temperature. But his temperature was 101 and he sat there, his temperature increased to 103. I don't know what was done before then, but he got released with a fever.
BURNETT: So he was released then from the records you have with a fever of 103? Obviously that is surprising to a lot of people. You gave us a statement, Josephus, yesterday, saying that your uncle was treated unfairly. What do you feel was unfair?
WEEKS: Why do I feel that way?
WEEKS: Because I feel he should have been treated better the first time around. He's the only person that has died from Ebola here in America. He's a black man. He's poor, didn't have insurance. He came for a visit and now went to the hospital.
Had that been another name or another color, he would probably be living today and he would have survived it and that is what is hurting me the most is because they treated him the way they did because of the color of his skin.
And that is very upsetting and disturbing. And I know that you stand a chance if you are white, but you don't if you are black.
BURNETT: Josephus, on Tuesday, I know you were with the Reverend Jesse Jackson. You went to the hospital with him. You thanked Duncan's doctors at that time. You are very eloquent. You said they treated him like a diamond. That was obviously Tuesday. He was still alive. Now you feel very, very differently. What changed?
WEEKS: The day I went in there, I met with the president and they were saying they were doing something and we all felt like they were doing something. So that is why I made that statement. That they treated him like a diamond, but they lied to us the whole time.
BURNETT: And that is because of how you feel about the experimental drug that he received and also I know about the blood transfusion. And I want to ask you about that, Josephus, because I know you repeatedly asked the hospital for a blood transfusion for your uncle.
They, in response, to your statement to us yesterday have come out and said, look, your uncle didn't get the serum that a white patient in Nebraska got because his blood type was not compatible with the donors that they had available.
Now of course, we know in the U.S. there are only a few donors in the United States, the ones who returned with Ebola. Do you think there was a way to get blood from someone who had survived Ebola from Africa? That there was something that they could have done that they didn't do?
WEEKS: Yes. There was a lot of things they could have done that they didn't do. They could have transferred him two states over from Texas to Emory in Atlanta. I requested that, they denied me. I requested a blood transfusion, they denied me.
My mother requested a blood transfusion and serum, they denied both of us. I offered to give my blood. I offered to volunteer and help in a hospital. She is a registered nurse. She offered to go at the hospital and volunteer her time without pay.
They turned us down like every step of the way. There were people in Africa available to contribute blood. They turned everything down. They said no to everything.
BURNETT: But in terms of the blood transfusion, do you know for sure that there was a blood transfusion and serum available from Africa? I mean, do you know that for sure? You are assuming because so many people there survived that there would be.
WEEKS: If you can fly a man from Africa 18,000 miles on an aircraft and if they want him to survive, they can fly that blood over here from Africa, just like those people. Nobody helped him. They didn't give him a chance.
If they would have given him a chance, he would have fought his way through. They didn't give him a chance. We cannot see our family the whole time he was in there. Never saw him one time.
I asked if they can transfer him to Emory so we could go there and see him, at least, they have a facility that was set up. He said he could see people walking around his room and outside of his door. Why couldn't we go there?
BURNETT: And you had been willing to go outside the door, perhaps in the room they would have been concerned about infection, but you are saying, you would have gone outside the door so he could have seen you through the glass, but you weren't able to do that?
WEEKS: Turn the camera off. BURNETT: Josephus, it is all right. I know it's hard and I know you feel that wrong things have happened to you, and it is OK. Do you think there is anything that can be done to make it right?
WEEKS: He's dead. There is nothing you can do. You can't bring him back. If they bring him back, I'm good. They can't bring him back. I just want my brother back, my uncle, my best friend. I want him back. I can't have him and I never will, to burn his body without even telling us.
Eric was a very good person. He is a very good person. I grew up with this man. He would help you no matter what you got. He didn't care about your skin or disease. Eric is a person that would come up to you with itches all over your body or infected with anything. If you needed help, he would step up and help you.
BURNETT: Josephus, I'm so sorry and I think it took a lot of courage for you to come out and tell the story to the country and I really appreciate it. I know it is really hard for you to have people see you like this, but we are all really grateful.
WEEKS: Thanks, Erin, I appreciate it.
BURNETT: We reached out to the Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital to respond to Josephus Weeks and his complaints about how his uncle was treated. The hospital at this moment is not commenting.
OUTFRONT next, a top general said if Ebola spreads to Central America, the United States will have to shut down the entire south border. Is that the hard truth or fear mongering?
Plus the black teen shot and killed by a police officer in St. Louis. There is now surveillance video of the final moments before that shot. We'll speak to his parents.
And it's that career advice heard around the world. Microsoft CEO said if you are a woman, the best thing to do if you want a raise, is to be quiet and trust the system. Suze Orman is our guest.
BURNETT: Breaking news, there is a fear in the skies tonight. Fears of Ebola spreading are causing all sorts of changes along the border in terms of screening and testing.
The Pentagon's top commander in South America now warning that America's borders may be the next Ebola entry point. Here is exactly how he said it.
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GENERAL JOHN KELLY, COMMANDER, U.S. SOUTHERN COMMAND: If Ebola breaks out in Haiti or Central America, I think it is literally Katie bar the door in terms of the mass migration of Central Americans into the United States.
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BURNETT: There is no question that that is a pretty aggressive thing to say. The question is, is it true? Rene Marsh is OUTFRONT.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think the man that said this is an idiot.
RENE MARSH, CNN AVIATION AND GOVERNMENT REGULATION CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): A dramatic scene on a U.S. Airways flight to the Dominican Republican, four emergency workers in blue protective suits board the plane responding to a disruptive passenger.
Witnesses say the man was coughing on the flight and reportedly said, "I have Ebola, you're all screwed." The man appears to say, it was just a joke. But he was escorted off the flight, and infuriated passengers were stuck on the tarmac for more than two hours.
MARK DOMBROFF, ATTORNEY AT MCKENNA, LONG AND ALDRIDGE: I believe a court in today's environment isn't find it to be a particularly funny comment. No more so than the person on board the aircraft that says I have a bomb, only kidding.
MARSH: Today in Dallas where Thomas Eric Duncan died from Ebola, a congressional panel examined the nation's response to the disease.
DR. TOBY MERLIN, NATIONAL CENTER FOR EMERGING AND ZOONOTIC INFECTIOUS DISEASE: If the disease progresses to the point it can't be stopped, it is going to spill over into other countries and create a greater threat for the U.S.
MARSH: The top U.S. general is warning attention should turn to the southern border as well. Marine General Jim Kelly says U.S. Embassy personnel in Costa Rica told him this story.
GENERAL JOHN KELLY, COMMANDER, U.S. SOUTHERN COMMAND: There were five or six black guys at the border, waiting for the line to pass into Nicaragua and on the way north and the embassy person walked over and just asked who they were.
And they said we're from Liberia, been on the road about a week and we're on the way to New York City, illegally. They could have made it to New York City and still be within the incubation period of Ebola.
MARSH: Well, that's a pretty inflammatory statement from that general, clearly not speaking from the administration's playbook. We just heard yesterday Homeland Security Secretary Jay Johnson addressing the issue of the possibility of Ebola making it into the United States through its borders, and he shot that down -- Erin.
BURNETT: Thank you very much, Rene Marsh.
And joining me now is Dr. Ivan Walks, the former chief health officer for the District of Columbia. Also with me CNN political commentator and radio host, Ben Ferguson.
All right, Dr. Walks, I want to start with you. You just heard what General Kelly said. Look, he is the Pentagon's top commander in South America. It's a significant position and what we just heard him say was frankly pretty shocking.
Talking about, as he said, a few black guys on the border and that they were planning to head illegally to New York City. Talking about that would be well within the incubation period for Ebola. Is he right to be worried about Liberians coming to the U.S. illegally from southern borders or not.
DR. IVAN WALKS, FORMER CHIEF HEALTH OFFICER, DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA: I think he's right to take those concerns to the doctors, to the people whose job it is to decide how we move and advice people like him. Making policy without a background to make policy, no, it doesn't make any sense to me what he is saying.
And I'm sorry, are we now magically going to learn how to close the southern border of the United States. It doesn't make any sense. We have not historically been able to do that. Let's talk about what we can do.
We can do screenings. Other countries have done screenings for years. We know how to do that. We can follow good strong public health advice and not wait for some imaginary thing to happen. We know where to go to fight Ebola. It's in Liberia. It is in other countries in West Africa. Let's go and let's help.
BURNETT: And I want to ask you about that in closing those borders. But first, Ben, if there are outbreaks of people flooding into the United States, is that fear mongering or is that crazy?
BEN FERGUSON, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: No, it is not crazy at all. Because if you are around people that have Ebola, where do you want to get to? You want to come to the United States of America.
If you think you've been exposed to it, you're going to want to come here because the success rate where you currently are isn't even 50 percent and most places say it is above 70 percent for people that get Ebola.
So if I am exposed to it, I will do everything I can to get to the United States of America. If you arrest me, but it saves my life, it's worth it. But the other issue is this.
To act as if we can't close the border because we haven't done a very good job in the past is not a reason not to do it now. You say we've never been good at this. We've never given it a real effort and I'll tell you this --
BURNETT: Well --
FERGUSON: -- if Ebola comes across the border, let me tell you, I promise you we're going to be asking the military to go down there and deal with it. And I'm sure this commander -- WALKS: No, we are --
FERGUSON: -- because we are seeing it around the world right now.
WALKS: We are not going to wait and use somewhat-if scenario. We know where Ebola is now. We know people are dying now. We are already --
FERGUSON: Can you guarantee me it's not going to come across the border?
WALKS: You can't guarantee me your story. So let me just tell you what we should do --
FERGUSON: I can guarantee you -- your story --
WALKS: I can tell you that we right now are helping people in West Africa and that is where we need to be. We need to be helping them there and preparing --
FERGUSON: Totally agree.
WALKS: We need to shore up our public health infrastructure here so that we can help the folks who may or may not get sick here, but then we need to continue helping people where they are currently getting sick. We have to do that.
BURNETT: OK, Ben.
FERGUSON: Erin, here is the problem. Being in Dallas and seeing what happened when one person out of 300 plus million people in America has Ebola and the disaster that it has been from the lack of people that knew how to deal with it.
The fact they didn't clean the apartment in time, the fact that people are walking into that apartment serving quarantine orders that didn't have protective suits. The fact they were following 100 people shows you just how unprepared the CDC really is at dealing with this.
And even the family's claims saying that he didn't get the proper care he needed. This is one person. Imagine if 50 people come down with this.
BURNETT: What about though the issue. You have the southern border issue and then Dr. Walks said the issue of what to do with the fact that we know where the hot zone, the central zone for Ebola is, Guinea, Liberia, Sierra Leone.
All right, at first, the CDC said there was no way that they were going to ask those country's borders to be closed. Now after meeting with President Obama, it seems nothing is off the table.
Last night Dr. Sanjay Gupta told me, look, you know what? Maybe we should close those borders, flood it with humanitarian aid, give them help, and close the borders for two incubation periods. Why risk one person going to India, going somewhere and having this to be an international out of control outbreak, is it time to close those countries, no more flights.
WALKS: Erin, when we already have an area with a tremendous amount of infection. The public health team needs to come together and decide the best next step.
And I would like to thank the other gentleman for making the point because we actually don't have a history of doing particularly great stuff with one -- and I really want to reach out to Mr. Duncan's family and my heart, my prayers, go out to his family.
WALKS: But we are learned from that. We are Americans. We don't just do the same thing over and over again that doesn't work.
FERGUSON: But, doctor --
WALKS: Let's go where the epidemic currently is and follow good public health advice.
BURNETT: Ben, should you close those borders?
FERGUSON: Yes, you do, at least for two incubation periods and here is the issue. We are over confident at our ability to beat something and let's be real candid. Right now, we are batting zero percent when it comes actually saving people's lives in this country that come down with Ebola in this country.
So until our batting average goes up, I don't think we should be acting as if we have this under control. We don't have it under control and the CDC, on the 16th of September standing there with the president of the United States of America said the likelihood of Ebola coming to the United States of America was incredibly low.
Well, they were totally wrong on that one. So why am I now going to act as if they have it under control when they don't.
WALKS: Well, let's not --
BURNETT: Final word, Dr. Walks.
WALKS: Let's not say incredibly low equals zero. It does not. We have not gotten bad advice from our public health leadership. We should let them make policy --
FERGUSON: It hasn't been amazing.
WALKS: By not responding to one horrible case, let's not let that make public health policy for America.
BURNETT: All right, thanks very much to both of you. We appreciate it. We wish we could get all of your feedback as well. Please send it to us.
Next OUTFRONT, surveillance video taken moments before a black teenager was shot and killed by a white police officer in St. Louis. We're going to show that to you. Was he armed or not? And his parents are OUTFRONT.
And a wakeup call, the women in the work force, so the CEO of Microsoft says, you know, the best thing for a woman to be is a superhero and woman with superpowers don't ask for raises, they come to them. Suze Orman is our guest.
BURNETT: Breaking news, protesters in St. Louis, Missouri, gathering right now, angry at the death of a black teenager who was shot and killed by a white police officer. Last night's protests were violent.
Protesters burning at least one American flag in a particularly ugly demonstration. Tonight, the parents of the dead teen are speaking out to our Jason Carroll.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Kids are supposed to bury their parents. He was my only child. He was my baby. He was my baby and they took him away from me.
JASON CARROLL, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Vonderrit Myer's mother and father sit in the same church they have taken their son to on so many Sundays and it might be the same place they eulogize him in the coming days.
SYREETA MYERS, VONDERRITT DEONDRE MYERS' MOTHER: I'll never get to feel him again, talk to him, see his big smile, and get his big tight hug. I'll never get to feel him again. My life is empty now.
JASON CARROLL, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Vonderrit's mother and father sit at the same church they have taken their son to on so many Sundays, it will likely be the place they eulogize him in the coming days.
SYREETA MYERS, VONDERRIT'S MOTHER: I'll never get to see him again, talk to him, get a big smile, get his big and tight hugs. I never get to feel him again. My life is empty now. My heart is empty.
CARROLL: Myers was shot by a St. Louis police officer on Wednesday night after police say he fired at the officer three times.
VONDERRIT MYERS, VONDERRIT'S FATHER: They took my son and destroyed his life. And now they are trying to destroy his character. And I'm to going to allow that to happen.
CARROLL: Myers' parents do not believe the account of what happened. The 18-year-old seen on this store surveillance video minutes before the shooting Wednesday night. He was wearing a black printed t-shirt. The family attorney says no gun is seen beneath Myers' clothes. Police say shortly Myers and his friends left the store, that an off- duty officer noticed something and confronted Myers.
CHIEF SAM DOTSON, ST. LOUIS POLICE: There was a physical altercation between the office and the suspect where they were hands on fires at least three shots towards the officer in which the officer defends himself against the fire.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They are saying this young man fired at the officer first and that the officer returned fire.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The witnesses we spoke to, none of them say this young man fired at an officer. None of them say this young man had a gun.
JERRYL CHRISTMAS, MYERS FAMILY ATTORNEY: Saul he did, as his mother said, is buy a sandwich. So now is it illegal to be eaten while black.
CARROLL: St. Louis police say a 9mm handgun was recovered at the scene. Ballistics test still pending. Myers, they say, was known to police. He was out on bound for a previous gun-related offense.
A peaceful candlelight vigil was held for Myers Thursday evening. Later in the night, more clashes between the police and demonstrators in a community already on the edge over the distrust of the police.
S. MYERS: Who are you to decide when life is supposed to end? That was my baby.
CARROLL: The Myers family has seen all of the protests that have occurred here in the community and they know about more protests that are planned. They are asking demonstrators to be peaceful.
Also, Erin, in terms of when Myers will be buried, they said they are still so grief-stricken, they still haven't had a chance to plan his burial -- Erin.
ERIN BURNETT, CNN HOST, OUTFRONT: All right, Jason Carroll, thank you. But please don't go anywhere. Jason is going to stay with us and we are also now going to be bringing in criminal defense attorney and prosecutor Paul Callan.
All right, Paul, let me just start with you. Police say, this is their version right, that this teenager, Vonderrit, fired three shots at the officer who then fired back 17 times. This count though (INAUDIBLE). The Myers family says Vonderrit did not have a gun.
Let's just show the video again that Jason was able to obtain so you could see it. Here he is in the convenient store where he bought his sandwich. So this is you see him full body. You see him with the water bottle walking back and forth. You see the front and you see the back. And the Myers family attorney said that video proves Vonderrit is unarmed. There is no bulge, there is no gun under his waist or in his pockets. What do you see?
PAUL CALLAN, CNN LEGAL CONTRIBUTOR: You know, it is a damaging video on the surface as far as carrying a gun. But bear in mind, the gun involved is an automatic, which can be put in the small of the back or in an area where witness are not be a large bulge.
BURNETT: How big would it be?
CALLAN: Well, it wouldn't be huge. You can hide it. But -- I mean, what troubles me in terms of the police officer's story is that, of course, one of the things he says is that he saw a bulge at one point. I think one of the reports, at least, was that one of the young men slowed down because to adjust their pants and that is when he saw the gun or the bulge. So you would think it would be more obvious than in the video. But we don't know what happened once he went outside of the door. And you know, there was another report, by the way, that seems quite contradictory about a gray sweatshirt being worn by the person who fired the gun. That was said by police earlier today. So that would be contradictory to what his current dress is in the video.
BURNETT: And Jason, of course, you look at him buying that water bottle. I mean, could he have stuck that in the back of his pants and that is a bulge. I mean, there is a lot of questions, but I know, Jason, the St. Louis police say that a 9mm gun was recovered at the scene. I know you have been saying ballistic tests are still pending, but I guess the question is, is there a way to definitively answered who shot that gun? Because I know the question is was it Vonderrit, who we saw in that video, or maybe one of his friends, meaning Vonderrit did not fire and was unarmed.
CARROLL: Well, a couple of things there. I did ask Myers' attorney about the gray shirt sort of controversy being that was sort of been talked about here and the attorney did acknowledge that once he got outside, that he did change and put on some sort of a gray sweatshirt. That is first. Second, I also asked him, the attorney, I said could it be a possibility that once he left the store, even though you didn't see a bulge inside of the store on that surveillance video, is there a possibility that once he left that he obtained a gun in the ten minutes since he left the video store and then we have the shooting? It he said possibly. But he said not likely. Not based on the people that they have spoken to, not based on the witnesses that they said that they have spoken to that say he was unarmed.
CALLAN: Jason, where does he get the gray t-shirt, though? It is not around his waist or over his shoulder. So if he could pick up a gray t-shirt, who is to say he couldn't pick up a gun when we went outside? Where does the shirt come from? CARROLL: Well, I think that is something that will be determined
later on in terms of whether or not the whole idea of the gun situation. But in terms of the gray sweatshirt, I asked him about that. Because as you know, you hear police say that the officer said that he wrestled with the other suspect, who was wearing a gray sweatshirt, very clear on that surveillance tape that he was wearing a black t-shirt. I said to the attorney, have you talked about this gray sweatshirt, t-shirt sort of, back and forth and he said yes, we have. He said it is very clear once he left the store, that was not seen on the surveillance tape, that he at some point put on the gray sweatshirt it. It was cold.
BURNETT: All right, Paul, let me just play again one more time. Because when you look at the video for a third time, what you see is he is wearing his pants really low. I mean, they are really low. You can see his underwear. So, I mean, you would see a gun if it was sticking in the back of his pants, at this particular angle. And now as you say, maybe he got one later. But to this point of this video, and then the fact that they find the 9mm gun, are they going to be able to prove, from what you know and you've done these cases before, definitively that Vonderrit who fired that gun? Vonderrit who was holding the gun or not?
CALLAN: Well, the first things is the officer, apparently, has said the he actually physically grappled with one of the youths, presumably the gunman, in advance of them running away. So the officer may be able to identify him by appearance. And the second thing that he is going to be persuasive, I think ultimately is if there are gun charges pending against him which we have reports of, he kind of looks like if he has carried a gun in the past, why is it so surprising that he might have been carrying a gun now.
BURNETT: Can I just ask you a question? I know no one knows exactly what happened and maybe we won't ever know, but let's just way it came to path that it was a friend who fired the gun, not Vonderrit, the police officer fired because he was threatened and fired at the wrong person, what happens to the police officer?
CALLAN: Well there is a doctrine called it is a transferred intent doctrine. And if the officer accidentally fired at the wrong person but was firing in good faith, he would not be necessarily guilty of a crime on that scenario.
BURNETT: All right, thanks very much to Paul and of course to Jason Carroll for that excellent interview with the Myers' family.
Well, OUTFRONT next.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It leaves me speechless and you know I'm not speechless that often.
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BURNETT: I know Suze. She under stated. She's never speechless, but she is tonight. And we'll tell you why.
And defense secretary Chuck Hagel said Iraqi troops are up against the wall, cut off by ISIS. The big question tonight, will Baghdad fall?
BURNETT: Breaking news on ISIS advancing in Iraq. Despite weeks of U.S. airstrikes, the terror group is only about eight miles from the Baghdad airport. Secretary of defense Chuck Hagel is also saying tonight that a key province in Iraq is in trouble and at risk of falling. ISIS has been bearing down on Iraqi forces at Anbar province, just west of Baghdad.
Jim Sciutto is our chief national security correspondent and he is here in New York with me tonight.
All right, let's start with this, some people look at Iraq, they look at the map, they seen ISIS in certain areas, why is Anbar so significant?
JIM SCIUTTO, CNN CHIEF NATIONAL SECURITY CORRESPONDENT: (INAUDIBLE), Anbar matters, right? You know, Kobani is very visible because it is right across the border from where a lot of journalists are, should the cameras have not strategically important. Anbar is close to Baghdad. It would be great platform for attacking the capitol and taking it down. So the defense secretary tonight saying it is in danger and that gels is what I have heard from a number of defense officials today, who say that one, ISIS is still advancing there, despite an enormous investment of Iraqi troops on the ground and the U.S. airstrikes and those Iraqi troops, some of them in danger of being cut off.
And this gets to the strategy, right? Because here you have the two ingredients they say you need. You have U.S. air power and you have Iraqi forces on the ground. And still ISIS is advancing.
BURNETT: And I think people are just shocked to hear this. I mean, you know, as you've talked about, about 400 airstrikes, in this particular case, you have all of the pieces they say that they need to have. How significant is it that the defense secretary feels the need to come out and admit this. It is the last thing he wants to say.
SCIUTTO: It is. It is, you know, what you want into the air campaign in Iraq and two weeks in Syria and you haven't had a measurable effect. Now, the one thing U.S. officials do tell me is that the units that are protecting Baghdad are more capable of defending, plus better visibility there because you have U.S. military advisers with them. One problem we have in Anbar, we don't wait visibility because there are no U.S. military advisors.
BURNETT: But do you believe at this point? I mean, people keep thinking, how could this be happening? How it keep happening? And it does and they move and they move. There is mortars in Baghdad. They are eight miles from Baghdad. They are now near the airport, these headlines that we hear. I mean, is it a real thing to say? Baghdad could fall or could it not? SCIUTTO: Well, it could. There is no question. I mean, it could
fall. It has better defenses but it is a real danger and the closer they get the more the danger is. But the bigger picture here is this. Officials have been telling us from the beginning, air power can only do so much and we are seeing that play out. We are seeing it play out in Kobani, in Anbar and some day maybe in Baghdad.
BURNETT: Incredible. I don't think anyone would have thought to hear that just days ago, you know.
Jim Sciutto, thanks so much.
And OUTFRONT next, Microsoft CEO says, look, here is how you do it. You sit and you be quiet and you trust the system. And that is what people want from a woman. Good karma will get you a raise. Suze Orman is my guest.
Plus, a sperm bank that is harder to get into than Harvard. It is for would be moms and dads looking to build a better baby. Lisa Ling with the (INAUDIBLE) experiment.
BURNETT: Superpower, that with women who don't ask for raises have, according to the CEO of one of the most valuable, prominent important companies of the world. Satya Nadella is the CEO of Microsoft. And here is what he said in an event for women when asked for advice on what they should do when they are afraid to ask for a raise.
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SATYA NADELLA, CEO, MICROSOFT: It is not really about asking for the raise but knowing and having faith that the system will actually give you the right raises as you go along. And that -- I think might be one of the additional super powers that quite frankly women who don't ask for a raise have because that is good karma. It will come back, because somebody is going to know that is the kind of person that I want to trust. That is the kind of person that I want to really give more responsibility to.
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ERIN BURNETT, CNN ANCHOR: And Suze Orman joins me now.
Suze, thank you so much.
So, you see this original comment that we've just shown that it is karma, good karma, that will come if you don't ask for a raise, that will give you that raise that you deserve, because you're hard working, because it gets recognized. Sure, it was horribly said.
Is there anything to it?
SUZE ORMAN, AUTHOR, "WOMEN & MONEY": Here is what is to it, is that, first, we have to make the statement or at least Suze Orman has to make the statement that it is an absolute travesty in the year of 2014 that we have a CEO from a major corporation that even think that it's OK for women have to be silent, and their silence will be paid off in good karma.
Good karma I don't think is what you get when you're silent. Good karma is what you get when you do what is right in this world if you ask Suze Orman.
And it's wrong, Erin, it's absolutely wrong for women to stay silent when they do have something to say. It's wrong when women are paid less for the exact same job that men are doing by being paid more. Do you see what I mean?
ORMAN: Good karma comes from good actions.
BURNETT: Karma comes from good actions. But then -- you know, so then he continues to say, you know, that having faith that the system will reward you for your work, as opposed to coming in and pounding the table. He says, "If you have that faith, that I think might be one of the additional super powers that quite frankly women who don't ask for raises have."
So, by the way, I'm just making it clear here. He was very gender- specific. It wasn't just that he happened to be talking to women, he was talking about women specifically there.
But he called that a super power. I mean, is that his way of saying, well, I like women who are like that more?
ORMAN: I have no idea what he meant when he said it, why he said it or how he feels about these things other than what he actually said.
ORMAN: But true superpowers are superpowers that affect not only women, but men, as well. And the power that is super that we should all have is asking for what we think we are worth. And you know and I know that the system has not been fair in many ways. But again, to have a CEO that has thousands of women working for him, that he was addressing women, to even think this way, that was the most powerless statement I have ever heard in my life from a CEO.
BURNETT: So, Suze, what should happen to the CEO of Microsoft, Satya Nadella? He then tweeted to apologize, "I was inarticulate re how women should ask for a raise. Our industry must close the gender pay gap, so a raise is not needed because of a bias."
Microsoft then went on to follow up with that with a statement, talking about how they support women and women's equality on pay.
My question to you is, though, what should happen to him?
ORMAN: Wow. You know, I don't think his statement that he made that he was inarticulate, a CEO of a major corporation, when it's a slip of a tongue. We've all had a slip of a tongue. We've all had a slip of a tongue. We've all said something, no, that's not what I meant.
ORMAN: But he went on for a full paragraph, Erin. Like a paragraph. And as you so correctly noted, it was geared that women, their silence is a superpower. That's not inarticulate. That was a thoughtful statement that he had time to think about.
I don't know. I mean, I think this is a very serious thing. And I would really have to think twice about somebody who feels this way about women is running a major corporation.
BURNETT: All right. Well, Suze Orman, thank you.
ORMAN: Thanks, Erin.
BURNETT: Let us know what you think about that. Did his apology measure up? Is there anything that could explain what he said, anything that you would accept?
OUTFRONT next, a genius gene pool for couples in search of the perfect child. Is it playing God or just common sense? Lisa Ling is next.
BURNETT: How far would you go to create the perfect baby? Well, apparently some parents are now opting to choose not just gender, OK, intelligence, looks, even personality. I think that is downright crazy. But people are doing it. And earlier I spoke to Lisa Ling about her upcoming episode on this very topic for her new series "THIS IS LIFE."
LISA LING, CNN HOST, THIS IS LIFE: The decision had been made and order placed. Donor Clear (ph), professor of a hard science at a major university, outstanding intellect and exceptional athletic ability.
So this big canister shows up in the mail?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, it shows at FedEx.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. And then like a sci-fi movie, it takes just lit off the tank and I will just the shock comes out and everything. It was a learning experience for me, an eye opener to say the least.
LING: The insemination was a success on the first try.
BURNETT: So this is spring-like the slippery slope conversation, right? People now that there is technology when it comes to fertility, all of a sudden if you can choose the gender of your baby, maybe you can choose a whole of other things, too.
LING: Why wouldn't you want to choose the best character who has been the donor? Well, in the 1980s, there was a very wealthy man named Robert Graham (ph). And he became really disenchanted by the mediocrity that he was experiencing in the current gene pool. He felt like people who are mediocre should not be breeding with people who are a mediocre because it was just -- it was ruining the gene poll. And so, he started this repository for general choice, this facility where he would collect sperm from highly intelligent people, and he was hugely criticized. It was very controversial at the time because people accused him of trying to create the superior race.
BURNETT: So do people have this belief that they will -- that this will work and that you can get the incredible athlete or the incredible genius or I mean, is that why they're doing it?
LING: You know, I think as you have said when people do have a chance to choose characteristics in their donor, why wouldn't they want to choose the best? I visited a sperm bank in Fairfax, Virginia, that told me that it is harder to get into their sperm bank than to get into Harvard because they require such meticulous things from their donors. So it is pretty interesting to see how full circle has come since Robert Graham (ph) say.
BURNETT: Harder to get into sperm bank than to Harvard.
BURNETT: There are so many --
BURNETT: All right. Well, I can't wait to see this. Lisa, thank you.
LING: Thank you.
BURNETT: It is going to be pretty outstanding show. "THIS IS LIFE" with Lisa Ling airs this Sunday night at 10:00.
Thanks so much for watching. Have a wonderful weekend. Anderson Cooper's "360" begins right now.