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Remains Fund in Search for Missing Student; Pentagon Preps "Strike Team" to Fight Ebola in U.S.; Pope Francis Beatifies Pope Paul VI; Remains Found In Search For Missing Student; 25 Years Later: The San Francisco Earthquake

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DEBORAH FEYERICK, CNN ANCHOR: Hello, everyone. I'm Deborah Feyerick, in for Fredericka Whitfield.

We are following potentially devastating developments in the case of missing University of Virginia student Hannah Graham. The search for the popular 18-year-old straight A student has been called off in light of what law enforcement is calling recent evidence. Police found human remains Saturday on an abandoned property eight miles from downtown Charlottesville where Hannah was last seen five weeks ago.

Jean Casarez is in Virginia.

And, Jean, forensic teams are searching the area. It is an area that may have been familiar to the key suspect in Hannah's disappearance. What are you learning?

JEAN CASAREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, that's what we're learning. You know, we just got back. We were in a residential area that's about four miles away where these remains were found yesterday and we spoke with neighbors and we spoke with the lady that is now living in the house that Jesse Matthew and his mother used to live in, up until they believe about 2008.

So, if you hear that he was familiar with this area, he was familiar with this area. He lived very close. And four miles may seem like a lot, but the county here is 740 square miles. So, four miles away from where the remains were found is not far at all. And this remains a very active crime scene. All day today, law enforcement, crime scene investigators have been combing for any more potential investments. And we understand, this will be an active crime scene for several more days.

Now, we're in the Charlottesville area, in Richmond areas, where those remains are because the key question is, has there been any identification at all? What will the identification be because we were not even told if it was male or female?

But the facts are that as soon as they discovered those remains it was the chesterfield law enforcement doing a routine search about a little more than 24 hours ago. They searched an abandoned property and local law enforcement told a local television station in an interview that it was skeletal remains that were found, skeletal remains without any hair. They did not feel that the bones at all had been blunt force trauma or any impact to them, but it's been five weeks since Hannah Graham went missing.

And once we get the identification of those remains, then there can finally be an end to this story -- Deb.

FEYERICK: When we think about it. Hannah Graham's parents had asked for any information. They were desperate to know what happened to her. Why right now have police not positively identified her? How long is that expected to potentially take? CASAREZ: That could take a while because as I have said it was

skeletal remains that they found no flesh at all. And that can complicate an investigation right there. I've seen in the past many times they have to bring in a forensic anthropologist to look at the bones, to help determine and get that DNA to be positively identified. And there's really two aspects of this because this is the first full day of the death investigation, because that's what this is now. It's no longer a missing person's investigation. It is a death investigation, and that is from the press conference yesterday.

So, it's an identification of the remains, and then it's also the cause and manner of death. That's something else that the chief medical examiner's office has been looking at. The cause of death can be extremely difficult when you're talking skeletal remains because it just doesn't offer that much for you to determine how someone died.

FEYERICK: What do we know about Jesse Matthews? He was linked to the disappearance, forensically linked to the disappearance of another young woman under similar circumstances. But is this connection here? What are we hearing from him?

CASAREZ: Well, we have never been told what the forensics are that link or do not link him to Hannah Graham. We know there were two searches done at his apartment. There were countless items taken from his vehicle. We know that for weeks at the Department of Virginia Lab, of forensic science, that they were coming through forensically testing board DNA and that would have been his property and define Hannah's DNA. We don't know what the results were, but we do that there was a chart of abduction with attempt to file. So, there is a kidnapping charge against Jesse Matthew. He sits in the county jail not too far from where I am.

FEYERICK: All right. And he has not yet pled guilty to any of this or been charged with abduction.

Jean Casarez, clearly the charges will likely go up as the police continue their investigation. We thank you.

CASAREZ: Thanks.

FEYERICK: And now to our other big story that we're following. The Pentagon taking major action today in the fight against Ebola in America. The Defense Department says that it's forming a military quick strike team that will provide direct treatment to Ebola patients potentially inside the United States.

A short time ago, CNN Pentagon correspondent Barbara Starr explained to us who they'll operate.

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BARBARA STARR, CNN PENTAGON CORRESPONDENT: This is a team for the first time of military medical professionals. They will go to Fort Camp Houston in Texas, get trained up within the next couple of days and ready to deploy its civilian health authorities, CDC, whatever. We need help in this particular location. They'll name a location. The team will be able to go there.

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FEYERICK: Let's go CNN's Eric McPike who is at the White House right now.

And, Erin, what can you tell us about this quick strike team and its intent? Is this the Pentagon acting in concert with the president, or is this the Pentagon just sort of figuring out they've go to do something here?

ERIN MCPIKE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, first of all, Deb, it was the Department of Health and Human Services that requested this of the Defense Department and then the Defense Department agreed to do this. This team will be made of five doctors, 20 nurses, and then five training specialists who know how to use that personal protective equipment and once deployed, they will teach other health care officials and administrators in hospitals how to use that correctly and effectively.

They will be able to deploy within 72 hours once they are finished training in Texas, and this is about a 30-day process. They will be on call. But they will be able to go anywhere within the United States once an Ebola case is determined, Deb.

FEYERICK: We had former Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson on air just a short while ago. And he said really that the strike forces weren't necessary because you have the CDC, you had HHS, you had all of these different departments. Is that what Ron Klain, the new Ebola czar is supposed to be handling? How these big bureaucratic agencies simply to try to work together to create elite teams to handle this better?

MCPIKE: Well, Deb, that's exactly right. And on Friday night, as well as Saturday night, there was a big White House meeting each of those nights, with a number of high ranking officials. We're talking cabinet secretaries, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel, the Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson, as well as Sylvia Matthews Burwell, who is the secretary of HHS. Also the vice president was there briefing the president on what happened in Dallas. The contact tracing, the status of that, as well as all the other measures that they are taking in a kind of help that local and state agencies need from the federal government.

But Ron Klain was not at that meeting. He was at the White House yesterday for some other things, but he has not yesterday started. He has not yet had day one on the job. But it will be his mission over time to coordinate all of the efforts of all these different agencies so that they could have a more streamlined response to Ebola, Deb.

FEYERICK: Interesting. You would have thought that given that he was on site, he may have wanted to knock on the door to start to see what was going on in that meeting. But, clearly, he's got a big job ahead of him. President Obama, obviously, he's going to be back on the campaign trail. We are looking at midterms we're looking at the elections, excuse me. What do you know about that?

MCPIKE: Deb, today will be his first two campaign appearances. He has, of course, done a lot of fundraising for the Democratic National Committee and other Democratic groups over the past year, over the past two years, really in the lead up to these midterm elections that are just two weeks from Tuesday, but he hasn't been very popular over the last year or so. And so, Democratic candidates haven't really wanted to come out and campaign.

But today, he will be campaigning first for the Democratic nominee for governor in Maryland, and he'll head to Chicago where he'll headline an event for the Democratic nominee for governor of Illinois. But these are his first two campaign appearances in this entire season, Deb.

FEYERICK: That's pretty remarkable given how close the elections are.

All right. Erin McPike, thank you.

And a carnival cruise ship carrying a passenger who may have had contact with Ebola arrived back in Texas this morning. Belize in Mexico, the places they were supposed to visit, they would not allow the ship to dock. So, the passenger voluntarily isolated herself from most of the other passengers and spent time in her cabin.

CNN's Alina Machado joins us now from Dallas.

Alina, what more do we know about this woman, this passenger?

ALINA MACHADO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, we know that she is a lab supervisor here at Texas Presbyterian Hospital and that she may -- I want to stress that -- she may have in contact with specimens to belonging to Thomas Eric Duncan as you know, that is the first patient to be confirmed case here in the United States, and also the first person to die of Ebola here in the U.S.

This woman, this passenger did not exhibit any symptoms and her 21-day quarantine or self-monitoring period is expected to come to an end tonight at midnight. She is now as you mentioned back in Texas after the cruise ship of Carnival Magic arrived early this morning in Galveston, and according to health officials in Galveston, the woman and her travel partner were allowed to get off the ship without any restrictions, because again she did not exhibit any symptoms indicating there was an Ebola infection and because of some blood tests that were conducted by the state -- Deb.

FEYERICK: Alina, do we know whether this lab supervisor was one of the 80 health care workers at that hospital who were being monitored? That's one of the things that hospital has kept telling everyone that the health care workers are being monitored. Was she one of them?

MACHADO: Well, we know that there are -- there has been a lot of numbers out there throughout the entire process about how many people have been monitored. We know that she is among the 48 whose monitoring period will be coming to an end tonight at midnight. In addition to those 48, we just got some clarification from Dallas Mayor Mike Rawlings just a little while ago, he says that there are about 75 health care workers who will continue to be monitored for a while. They're monitoring period started the day Thomas Eric Duncan died, which was October. So, we do some math, that indicates that their monitoring period goes through October 29th.

In addition to that, there is a separate group of people being monitored. He could not give me a specific number, but these are people who had contact with the two nurses who became infected with Ebola After treating Duncan, Nina Pham and Amber Vinson. This group will be monitored for a few days after October 29th.

FEYERICK: And, Alina, do you have any idea whether, in fact, the hospital plans to question this lab supervisor if she was being monitored, did -- have they made any suggestion that, in fact, there is going to be a little due diligence as to why she thought it was OK for her to take this cruise?

MACHADO: You have to remember, Deb, that these people who were being monitored were not really given any travel restrictions and this person, this passenger who was on this cruise ship put herself in voluntary isolation. She was not exhibiting any symptoms during the cruise. And in fact, she was checked out by a doctor who was on that cruise ship. And he gave her a clean bill of health. And yet she still remained in isolation out of an abundance of caution.

FEYERICK: Yes, clearly, such a difficult position for all of these individuals who are really just trying to leave their lives in the face of something that they've clearly been exposed to. They never counted on.

Alina Machado, thank you so much. We appreciate it.

And our coverage of the Ebola crisis rolls on. Up next, Dr. Seema Yasmin talks about why the fallout at the Dallas hospital is so dangerous.

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FEYERICK: Dr. Peter Piot is a microbiologist and is one of the co- discoverers of Ebola. He recently told "The Guardian" that he fears this current outbreak is a, quote, "unimaginable," unquote. Well, earlier today, Dr. Piot explained to Fareed Zakaria what he meant by that.

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PETER PIOT, CO-DISCOVERER OF EBOLA: What we're seeing is unprecedented. This is the first Ebola epidemic where our entire nations are involved, where big cities are affected. And I continue to be worried that the response to the epidemic is really running behind the virus. The virus is still running much faster. There are not enough beds to treat patients and people continue to be infected.

FAREED ZAKARIA, CNN HOST: When you say the virus is still running ahead of the response, what is needed at this point?

PIOT: Well, first of all, something that we've learned through (INAUDIBLE) Doctors Without Borders, that is how to treat patients, to care for them and isolate them, so that they don't infect others, but also to reduce more or less mortality.

Secondly, we need to protect health care workers. We've seen it in the U.S. We've seen it Europe. But (INAUDIBLE) in Africa where over 200 nurses and doctors and lab workers have died from Ebola and that can be done by protective gear.

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FEYERICK: Now, we have been telling you about a Dallas hospital apologizing, saying that their training had not been fully implemented.

Well, Dr. Seema Yasmin joins us. She's a staff writer for "Dallas Morning News" and a former CDC disease detective.

And, Dr. Yasmin, how was this letter received among you and your colleagues, the entire Dallas community? Was this like oops?

DR. SEEMA YASMIN, DALLAS MORNING NEWS: When it comes most importantly ten days after Mr. Duncan sadly died and three weeks after he was first admitted. So, it felt like a late acknowledgment. But finally, an apology. Finally, some attempts at explanation about what actually happened.

But still, it's not totally clear why he was discharged that first night that he went to the hospital there and why that diagnosis was so crucially delayed. We know an Ebola delayed diagnosis can be deadly.

FEYERICK: Right. Which in the case of Mr. Duncan, it ultimately was.

We understand, look, the hospital has taken a devastating blow as well. The emergency room not letting people in. Folks just not wanting to go to the hospital.

Can this particular Texas Presbyterian Hospital recover from this?

YASMIN: That's exactly the question. I asked Dr. Daniel Varga, the clinical chief of this hospital on Friday when I interviewed him. And he felt that the crew that is resilient, that they will survive. But we have to look at the numbers there. It's an 8,900-bed hospital. So far, only 200 beds are filled.

And we're hearing from patients who were rescheduling their appointments, choosing to go elsewhere. We're hearing from doctors who work on that hospital campus that they're patients are choosing elsewhere. So, it really remains to be seen what the long term consequences of this Ebola crisis are.

FEYERICK: And do you know the doctors and nurses who worked there, have they been mobilized to other hospitals? This is part of a big sort of system there, or are they sort of waiting to see how this all plays out?

YASMIN: That's another question that we posed and this apology has come today. Some explanations have come. But still, so many unanswered questions.

As a physician, I really wanted to know on that first night that Mr. Duncan presented, did a doctor take a travel history and what Dr. Varga said to me was, yes, a doctor did. The determination about travel history was that Mr. Duncan was a local resident. Well, as a doctor, I know that that's not the end result of a proper travel history. You would actually know if the patient had traveled outside of the state or outside the country.

So, this acknowledgment really comes too little too late, and still, we have unanswered questions.

FEYERICK: You know, the one thing in looking at these two nurses who really -- they were heroic, being there, treating him, trying to do the right thing as nurses and doctors are trained to do. They are very young and you have to wonder whether in fact, while they may have been trained to deal with some infectious diseases, perhaps they were not trained properly how to deal with this kind of infectious disease, Ebola, because it's not just Ebola. It's how you get rid of all of that waste. And even that takes weeks and weeks for people to understand how to do that properly.

Is that a factor?

YASMIN: Absolutely it's a factor. We know this nurse is compassionate. We know they want to provide a really good level of care, that they need to be protective.

What Dr. Varga said to me on Friday morning, Deb, was that he thought the hospital did do a good job of communicating about Ebola care to the health care workers. But then he said where they failed was the next iteration of that training. So, he said to me, they should have done an in person training. That's a fair acknowledgment to make.

But when I pressed him as to why did you not do an in-person training to your health workers, as many other hospitals, and his response was very defensive. He said to me, well, that's because of as of September 28th, there had never been a case of Ebola in the U.S. in the entire 200 or more year history of the country.

FEYERICK: Right, right. Well, it's fascinating because also, look, there are a lot of hospitals out there that are very grateful that, in fact, that Ebola patient did not come to their facility. So, let's keep that in mind as well.

Everybody trying to do a heroic job in the face of something extremely new. Dr. Seema Yasmin, thank you so much. We appreciate your insights.

YASMIN: Thank you.

FEYERICK: And still ahead, a night of family fun turns into terror at, what else, a pumpkin festival. Who police say is to blame and why it got so out of control.

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FEYERICK: And a reminder to all of you to watch "PARTS UNKNOWN" with Anthony Bourdain tonight. He's going to be taking us to Vietnam in an all new episode tonight at 9:00 Eastern on CNN.

Right after that, "THIS IS LIFE WITH LISA LING." Tonight, she goes inside a modern day boom town. And you're going to meet incredible women, the new pioneers. This airs at 10:00 p.m. tonight Eastern.

And an annual pumpkin festival turned violent in Keene, New Hampshire, last night. Instead of Jack'O lanterns burning, well, there were bonfires in the middle of the street, set there by people protesting. That's so violent that police in riot gear use tear gas to disperse the pumpkin or pumpkin partiers.

CNN's Alexandra Field joins us.

Alexandra, you know, you talk about pumpkin festival, it's a little bit hard to understand why something like that would get out of control. I call them protesters. It doesn't sound like that's what they were. It sounds like they're sort of vandals or hooligans.

ALEXANDRA FIELD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, not exactly protesters when you talk to people. Actually, they were sort of partiers who really got out of hand. You've got Keene State College there. We know that there were a number of students who were involved in this, but also a lot of people who come to the area from other areas.

It's an annual festival and it's sort of taken a bit of reputation, where people promoted this as a place to get rowdy and disruptive. This was obviously way, way beyond the bounds of what anyone had anticipated or what is reasonable behavior, you had people in the streets trying to flip chorus over, throwing rocks and bottles at each other. Police reportedly unleashing tear gas and using pepper spray. We did hear from some people who are out there in the crowd, talking about their experience with inside the crowd and the response to police as well. Let's listen to that.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I got hit. It was a Jack Daniels bottle across the face. Yes, I was in the health center for a little bit, but I left.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: These guys just came in with shields, started, I don't know, tear gassing me. It's crazy. Crazy stuff, real, real crazy. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE). I'm Rhode Island. This is supposed to be a fun weekend but it's stupid.

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FIELD: The chaos was sort of ratcheting up through the weekend. It started with issues on Friday, and then really exploded overnight, Deb.

FEYERICK: Are these people angry or are they just drunk, or a little bit of both?

FIELD: It sounds like they were just out of hand. We tried to ask officials about what prompted all of this. This is really -- it's just a huge group of people but there have been problems periodically. A lot of it related to drinking and these large crowds in people who may have started having fun, and then turned this into something that was totally disruptive, chaotic and completely violent.

FEYERICK: Right, and unnecessary. Unnecessary.

So, I'm listening to guys say they came out in riot gear. Well, hello. Stop throwing Jack Daniels bottles at each other.

FIELD: Yes, police are really telling us that they had no other choice but to figure out a way to disperse this crowd.

FEYERICK: OK. Alexandra Field, thanks so much. We appreciate that.

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And just a week ago, it appeared that the Catholic Church was taking a bold new stance on gay people. But now, the church seems to be stepping back on the issue. What came out at a critical bishop summit? Coming up, just ahead.

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FEYERICK: Welcome back, everyone. Here are some of the top stories that we're following for you.

People in Hawaii are bracing for flash floods and tropical storm conditions as Hurricane Ana gets closer. The worst of the storm is expected to miss Hawaii. The island could see strong waves and coastal flooding.

And Hurricane Gonzalo, on the other coast, left more than 80 percent of Bermuda without power. It is now moving further north past Canada. No one in Bermuda was seriously hurt.

Tears shed for Ebola victim, Thomas Eric Duncan. A memorial service was held this weekend for Duncan in Salisbury, North Carolina where his mother lived. Duncan was the first Ebola case to be diagnosed in the United States. The 42-year-old Liberian man came to Dallas to visit his fiance. She and three relatives have been in quarantine, but that quarantine ends tonight at midnight. None of them has shown any Ebola symptoms.

North and South Korea exchanged gun fire overnight. A South Korean defense ministry official says the confrontations started after a group of North Korean soldiers approached the demarcation line along the demilitarized zone. The official says that's when South Korean forces fired warning shots. No one was killed. No damage was reported.

It looks like no one wants to host the 2022 Winter Olympic Games. Four cities have now pulled out in the bidding and another decided not even to enter the race. Norwegian spokesman told CNN that Oslo withdrew because of the huge cost involved with hosting the games.

Poland voters decided against a bid. They are now only two cities left in the running, a small city in Kazakhstan and Beijing, which hosted the summer games six years ago.

Pope Francis beatified Pope Paul VI in a ceremony at the Vatican this morning. Meanwhile Catholic bishops ended a two-week (inaudible) this weekend without coming to an agreement on same-sex relationships or divorce or re-marriage. Here's CNN Vatican correspondent, Delia Gallagher.

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DELIA GALLAGHER, CNN VATICAN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Pope Francis ended two weeks of heated debated here at the Vatican with the beatification of another pope, Paul VI, who had to guide the church through the heated debate that followed Vatican II.

That was the international meeting in the 1960s attempted to modernize the Catholic Church. Pope Francis' summit this week closed without agreement on the question of communion for divorced and remarried Catholics and on outreach to gays.

Both of those topics failed to reach the two third majority approval in the Senate Hall on Saturday night. Pope Francis saying that was OK. In fact, he told his bishops and cardinals that he would have been worried and saddened had there not been animated discussions.

(on camera): This morning's beatification mass the pope said that the journey would continue and that they would continue to sow the seeds. What that means in the concrete for the Catholic Church, we will have to wait until October of next year to find out.

That is when the bishops and cardinals will meet again to discuss these issues. Delia Gallagher, CNN, Rome.

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FEYERICK: Thanks, Delia. Well, a heart breaking update in the case of missing college student, Hanna Graham. It has now become a death investigation. We breakdown what investigators have found and what that means for a legal case against a possible suspect up next.

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FEYERICK: Sadly the search for missing University of Virginia student, Hannah Graham is now being called a death investigation. The 18-year-old vanished after leaving an off campus party 35 days ago, just five weeks ago. Yesterday, police found human remains, a skeleton, still officially unidentified.

It was found on an abandoned property eight miles from downtown Charlottes -- was last seen. The officer whose team made the discovery said they never gave up searching.

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SGT. DALE TERRY, CHESTERFIELD COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE: I don't know how else to explain other than something just anxiety told me to continue to look. No hair, no flesh whatsoever, completely bones. There was no crushing of any bones as far as skull or anything like that. Everything looked to be intact to me from where I can see.

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FEYERICK: Police have called off the search for Hanna Graham and they have notified her mom and her dad of yesterday's discovery. Joining me, our legal analysts, Joey Jackson and Paul Callan.

Paul, the one thing I do want to start that is confusing me a bit is they found skeletal remains but no hair. Wouldn't the body still have hair if it were just five weeks of decomposition?

PAUL CALLAN, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: You know, it's still would have hair. That is very odd I think that that's the case. The other thing that I found to be odd about this was without a positive identification of the skeletal remains, to notify the parents and to create a situation where they maybe for the first time are closing in on, you know, the fact that their daughter might be deceased, that's kind of unusual unless the police are reasonably positive.

FEYERICK: Perhaps clothing.

CALLAN: Maybe dental records are usually used. There are a variety of ways you can identify.

FEYERICK: So Joey, the police they have one suspect in this case, Jesse Matthews. Now we are learning according to Jean Casarez that in fact he did live about four miles from that area with his mom a couple of years ago. So the area would have been familiar to him. How far will it be to link him to this particular case?

JOEY JACKSON, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: Well, the point that you make is a significant one and as much as circumstantially you could establish what you just said. That he would be familiar and he would be the type of person who would know the area and as a result of that could have placed it there. So you match that evidence, he is the last one with her, et cetera, it becomes important. But let's talk about what else is very important. I think Paul will agree. The fact that they found a body now depending upon the elements, it could provide a treasure trove of information with regard to DNA trace type of evidence.

And as a result of that, that might be a link more than the circumstantial piece that you mentioned that puts him or someone else, we don't know there. So depending on the decomposition and the clothing, where she was and how she was found and the extent to which it's preserved, that could be very important to connect the killer to her case.

CALLAN: You know, the other thing is he has been charged with abduction with intent to defile of kidnapping. Now you find the body of the person who was kidnapped and they have been murdered. You can make out a murder case very easily.

FEYERICK: Police are still going to officially identify Hannah Graham. They are not saying it is her, but that gets me to another point and that is that that Jesse Matthew has not entered any sort of a guilty plea at all.

What's interesting is that he has been sitting in a jail waiting for a hearing, but it doesn't appear he was cooperating with investigators. Could that have helped him? Why do you think -- is this part of a strategy, a legal strategy.

JACKSON: Generally speaking, attorneys will advise their clients not to cooperate. That's the nature of the beast under the constitution and constitutional principles. You have the right not to self- incriminate yourself.

So clearly you don't believe that he will assist them in any way, but that's why other things become important. And even something like you mentioned circumstantially the whole issue of consciousness of guilty.

If you can recall early in the investigation that they had him in the police station, he then took off. He went MIA for a period of time. Why would a person behave that way? That's just some evidence.

But more important to this case will be all the forensic evidence here, any type of trace evidence. We also know that the police went into his home, searched his home and car. Therefore, they are gathering all of that to put together compelling case that doesn't rely upon simple circumstantial --

FEYERICK: It may stand on its own.

CALLAN: It may stand on its own and getting back to the point you raise. The one thing that they had going for them, prosecutors, was to say to him listen, we know you killed her, but we're going to take the death penalty off the table if you tell us where she is.

Obviously, he chose to remain silent and they now have discovered what they think maybe the remains, that puts the death penalty back in play and that's what that's going to mean ultimately.

FEYERICK: Now again, he has entered no plea, however, he has been linked to another woman, Morgan Harrington, who was also found murdered. She disappeared October 2009, her remains were found in 2010. There is evidence linking him to that. Do they prosecute case by case or could they lump them together if they find that he has responsibility for not just one but both?

CALLAN: A lot of times when you have one case that is kind of a weak case but the MO, the method of death is the same as another case, you link the two cases because then that wraps it up beyond a reasonable doubt. You know, he's in proximity to this victim. They were lured and killed the same way. It really makes for a very, very strong and compelling case. They will link them if they have to because it's really --

JACKSON: Just to point to that even if they are not prosecuted simultaneously, you can use evidence from one to bring it into the other because what prosecutors will do is say it goes to motive and intent. It goes to common plan, a scheme and therefore it's admissible. So what do they prosecute or what have you, evidence will come in and one to the other.

FEYERICK: All right, 15 seconds on this. Yes or no. Ferguson evidence that in fact there may be two bullet holes in the car suggesting that the victim, Michael Brown, grabbed for that gun. Does that prevent an indictment, Paul, yes or no?

JACKSON: Paul, 15 seconds?

FEYERICK: I'm asking you to go six.

CALLAN: It does not prevent an indictment, but now it swings more in favor of the police officer.

JACKSON: I think what is imperative is what happened after the fact, not that in and of itself. That does not exonerate Darren Wilson.

CALLAN: You didn't get a yes or no.

FEYERICK: All right. Joey Jackson and Paul Callan, thank you for your legal expertise and not answering my questions. Appreciate it.

Well, each week we were shedding a spotlight on the top ten CNN Heroes of 2014. You can vote for the one that inspires you the most at cnnheroes.com. This week's honoree is helping save her community's kids with a little help from some unlikely friends. Meet Patricia Kelly.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's tough. It was tough growing up here. It was just so easy to take the wrong path. I was walking around with a lot on my shoulders. At a young age, I didn't really care about life anymore. When I met Miss Kelly, everything changed. PATRICIA KELLY: Bret was hurting. He needed a place that he could just be himself. Our program provides a year-round urban oasis. Seven days a week, twelve months a year, for children 5 to 19 years old. We use horses to create pride, esteem, and healing.

The children take care of animals, take care of the farm. When they get to a certain riding level, young men become mounted park rangers. When they put their cowboy hats on and they go out on patrol, the myth of the urban male is changed instantly. When kids see other kids ride, they want to know how it's done. That's the hook.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I can't tell you where I would be without this program. It changed my life. It helps me set goals for myself. I'm a part of something.

KELLY: When you teach a child how to ride a horse, they learn that they are the center of their environment. Once they make that connection, they can change what happens in school, at home, and the community. It's through their minds and through their hearts. They have ability. They just have to unlock it.

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FEYERICK: It's been 25 years since a massive 6.9 magnitude earthquake hit the San Francisco area. Tonight, CNN has a special report looking back at what happened that night and how the bay area has changed. Here's a preview.

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RANDI KAYE, CNN INVESTIGATIVE CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Four minutes and 30-seconds past 5 p.m. Pacific Time, baseball fans are expecting an epic game. Commuters are having an easy rush hour. Traffic is light.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Can you feel that?

KAYE: Until the earth shifts and lives are changed forever.

UNIDENTIFIED CALLER: We have a major injury accident Cyprus and West Grand. They're advising major injuries.

KAYE: Dallas woman, Dorothy Ido, is driving her Pontiac Bonneville on the bottom level of Oakland's double decker Cyprus Freeway. She is racing to meet with a customer.

The side supports, they just blew into dust. Big cement beams with rebar in them just blew apart into dust. It was amazing then I fell 25 feet. I was shocked that I was alive.

KAYE: The upper deck of the Cyprus was lying on top of Dorothy's Pontiac. The front of the vehicle is smashed to four inches and her left foot is trapped by the emergency break and the crushed dash board. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I tried to pull myself free and there was nothing I could do to get free so I got a piece of paper and I wrote my husband a good-bye note. Jack, earthquake hit while I was under concrete. Worst happened, it collapse on car. I'm alive just my left foot is stuck under the car. Love you lots. Good luck to us both.

KAYE: Inside Candle Stick Park, where the world is watching the quake live, the players and the fans have oblivious to the severity of the damage.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The Giant is awake.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There is no way to know what the damage was outside of the stadium. It's not like a lot of ballparks where you could see downtown or outside.

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FEYERICK: Tune in tonight for shaken, 25 years after the quake hosted by CNN's Randi Kaye. Thanks so much everyone for spending part of your Sunday here with all of us. I'm Deborah Feyerick. The next hour of NEWSROOM begins after a short break with Jim Sciutto.

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