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NANCY GRACE

Jodi Arias Sentencing Retrial Day 3

Aired October 23, 2014 - 20:00   ET

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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JUAN MARTINEZ, PROSECUTOR: What are we looking at?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A lower view of the victim inside of the shower stall.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Body was dragged to the shower, but he`s shot in the head along the way.

JODI ARIAS, CONVICTED OF MURDER: No, I had no part in it.

(INAUDIBLE) all kinds of rumors. I heard there was a lot of blood.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`s in his bedroom, in the shower.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Good evening. This is HLN, and we are live at the Phoenix courthouse, bringing you day three of the Jodi Arias death penalty

sentencing retrial.

Blow-up in court today, the two lawyers nearly coming to blows today! Straight out to Mike Duffy, standing at the courthouse. Mike, what

happened?

MIKE DUFFY, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Nancy, it was outrageous, a little -- a little courtroom smackdown when the defense attorney threw down a folder as

he was outraged about not getting the answers he wanted from the witness. And then right after that, the prosecutor comes back with the folder in

hand and says, Well -- addressing this folder smackdown -- let me approach the witness and ask more questions.

GRACE: So bottom line -- to Beth Karas joining us, KarasonCrime.com. So they have a smackdown in the courtroom that sets the tone for the whole

day.

For those of you joining us, we are live at the Phoenix courthouse. The Jodi Arias death penalty retrial has commenced. Day three starts off with

a bang as the lawyers go at it, nearly coming to blows. Apparently, Nurmi goes to the podium. That`s Jodi Arias`s lead defense counsel. He gets so

angry and frustrated, he slams down folders. Then comes Martinez for the state. He does the same, gives it back to him.

And on top of it all, is another juror about to get the boot? All right, Beth Karas, what happened with the smackdown on the folders, when the

lawyers get (ph) to their wits` end?

BETH KARAS, KARASONCRIME.COM (via telephone): Well, you know, and the actual testimony that was being elicited, Nancy, was very inside baseball.

And it has to do with something Jodi Arias said last year on the stand, when she said she bought a gas can at a Walmart in Salinas, California, but

she returned it the same day.

And there was -- at the first trial, we heard there was no evidence it had ever been returned and refunded, and she -- the witness testified to

something similar today. But the store had moved its location and she -- the witness said she checked the data.

And Nurmi was upset because he said, How do you know the same computers were used or data wasn`t lost in the transfer? You`re not a computer

expert. How are you so sure about your testimony today? And she said, I guess data could have been lost, and I`m not a computer expert. But he was

very upset that the judge -- I think -- that the judge allowed the testimony anyway. And the issue is really one of weight and not

admissibility, it appears.

GRACE: Well, long story short -- Beth Karas, you tried a lot of cases. To all the trial lawyers on the panel tonight, when you slam things around in

the courtroom, you can get thrown out. You can get held in contempt. That will mess up your case, for you to be held in contempt and have second

string, the B team, trying your case.

So how did they get away with it, Beth Karas? How is it you can have a display temper like that in front of the jury and get away with it?

KARAS: Well, you know, I think Kirk Nurmi`s display was in part to let the jury know he was very dissatisfied with the witness`s answer and perhaps

with the judge`s ruling. But this is a judge, Sherry Stephens, who is a lovely woman who lets the lawyers try their case.

You know how some judges can be more active than others. Some will just take a little more control and cut off questioning and inject their own

questions and really be a disciplinarian. This judge is not like that. She lets the lawyers try their case, so I`m not surprised that she didn`t

do anything when he slammed the folder down.

GRACE: And so Juan Martinez, as great of a lawyer as he is, can`t help but go back after Nurmi every single time. So he comes out swinging, as well.

OK, also, we learn today that yet another juror faces the boot. To Valerie Paraso -- Valerie, KFYI -- what has happened now? Are we losing another

juror?

VALERIE PARASO, KFYI (via telephone): Maybe, we -- Nancy, we really don`t know at this point. We know that juror number 17 was back in judge`s

chambers with the judge, and they came out. Court was dismissed for the day. The judge said, Something happened beyond anyone`s control. Anyone`s

guess what that is. We really don`t know. But it`s looking like there might be a problem with juror number 17.

GRACE: Oh, man! Oh, man! OK. Are we losing another juror? So far today, an outburst in the courtroom. Defense lawyer Kirk Nurmi has a fit

when the state`s witness won`t give him the answer he wants. So he has a display of temper and outbursts in front of the jury. The state comes up.

Martinez follows suit, does the same. Nobody`s thrown out. Then we find out another juror. This will be the third juror down. And we`re only on

day three.

Straight back out to Mike Duffy at the courthouse. Everybody, we are live and taking your calls. Mike Duffy, a lot of time was spent today, once

everybody got calmed down and the lawyers were sent to their corners, talking about a burglary. All right, this is not a burglary trial. This

is a murder one death penalty sentencing trial. What does a burglary have to do with Travis Alexander dead in the shower?

DUFFY: Well, Nancy, they were trying to establish that it could have possibly been Jodi Arias that was the burglar. And what they were trying

to show is that this particular scene was very odd. It was almost concocted, in a way. One item was stolen from each room in the house, and

the money that was laying out in plain sight was not taken.

GRACE: OK, let`s back it up, Duffy. Number one, we`re talking about a burglary that happened just -- and you`re seeing the evidence photos right

now the jury just saw. All right. We`re talking about a burglary that happened before Travis was murdered.

Mike Duffy, the burglary was at Jodi Arias`s grandparents home, where she lived. What was taken?

DUFFY: Well, during the burglary, what they found was that one gun was taken. There was a DVD player that was taken. There was some cash that

was taken. But oddly enough, other things in the house of value weren`t taken, like a TV that was in plain sight.

GRACE: OK, so a TV, other money, jewelry, electronics -- that wasn`t taken. Mike Duffy, what was the caliber of the weapon taken?

DUFFY: Nancy, I didn`t hear that in court today.

GRACE: Mike Duffy, what was the caliber of the gun taken?

DUFFY: Nancy, I`ll have to...

(CROSSTALK)

GRACE: I think it was a 25. Hold on. I`m almost positive it was a 25. Matt Zarrell, wasn`t it a 25 taken from the grandparents` home?

MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER (via telephone): Yes, it was a 25- caliber, approximately three to four inches tall by three to four inches long, with a black handle, that was taken during the burglary. And I

should note, Nancy, there were two other guns in that same cabinet, but only the 25 was taken.

GRACE: OK. Great. Hey, Duffy, I`m showing exactly what you`re talking about. Hold. Hold right there, Liz. Now, let`s tie up the package -- a

25-caliber.

Unleash the lawyers, Monica Lindstrom, Peter Odom. Peter...

PETER ODOM, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Yes?

GRACE: ... you know what caliber gun shot Travis Alexander?

ODOM: If I recall, Nancy, it was a 25-caliber.

GRACE: OK, I guess you`re going to say it`s just a coincidence.

ODOM: I mean, there are millions of 25-caliber guns out there, Nancy. It`s a very common weapon used in crimes. I don`t think that they`ll be

able to establish that Jodi Arias committed the burglary. But I don`t necessarily that that`s going to be admissible into evidence...

GRACE: OK...

ODOM: ... the burglary itself.

GRACE: The burglary.

(CROSSTALK)

GRACE: They talked about it in court today.

ODOM: I`ll tell you something else, Nancy...

GRACE: It came in court today.

ODOM: I`ll tell you something else...

GRACE: Tell me something else.

ODOM: ... that the prosecution is losing its focus by trying to prove this burglary. I mean...

GRACE: That`s even not the point! The point is...

ODOM: Right. They don`t know what the point is.

GRACE: ... it`s premeditated. It`s premeditated! And to get the death penalty, premeditation is an aggravating factor. Hello? Let me...

ODOM: They`ve already...

(CROSSTALK)

ODOM: She`s already been convicted of first degree murder. The jury`s already found -- the previous jury`s already found that it`s premeditated.

They`re wasting everybody`s time with trying to prove this burglary. And Martinez is losing focus, in my opinion.

GRACE: OK, Monica...

ODOM: And he`s starting to lose his temper, which really detracts from his professionalism in court, in my opinion.

GRACE: OK, you know what? Pot, don`t call the kettle black, OK, because you`ve lost your temper in court before because...

ODOM: Every professional...

GRACE: ... I`ve seen you do it!

ODOM: Every professional...

GRACE: Don`t be...

ODOM: Every professional...

GRACE: Don`t be hating on him for losing his temper!

ODOM: I`m not hating. I`m an admirer, frankly. I think he`s a very good lawyer.

GRACE: But let me get back to...

(CROSSTALK)

ODOM: I`m not saying that people should never lose their tempers, but it detracts from his effectiveness in court.

GRACE: OK, thanks. We heard it...

ODOM: And he knows that.

GRACE: ... the first time.

Matt Zarrell, let`s tie this up in a bow and give it to Peter Odom for Christmas. Why is it so important to show that Jodi Arias burgled her own

grandparents` home, where she lived? It was weeks before the murder went down, Matt Zarrell.

ZARRELL: Yes, it`s about cruelty and depravity, that she knew exactly what she was doing. She planned it for weeks. And not only did she carry this

murder out, she killed him three times over, the stab to the heart, the gunshot to the head and the nearly decapitated head.

GRACE: OK, let`s go into the courtroom. And you`re going to see the testimony regarding this issue, why it`s so important that this burglary

comes into evidence. Let`s go in the courtroom.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MARTINEZ: Anything unusual about this particular burglary on May 28th of 2008, that you believed was unusual?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, I believed it was unusual that small items worth money or money -- for instance, the change was not taken. I also thought

it was strange that only one of the firearms was stolen from the cabinet.

MARTINEZ: What did you write in your report that was missing from that?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I wrote in my report that a small 25-caliber handgun, approximately three to four inches tall by three to four inches long, with

a black...

MARTINEZ: Had been -- had been taken, right?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes -- black handle -- had been taken.

MARTINEZ: And during the burglary, correct?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: OK, Monica Lindstrom, defense attorney in court today. Everybody, we are live at the Phoenix courthouse. The reason that this is so

important is because if it`s true -- and contrary to what Peter Odom just said -- Oh, I don`t think we can prove the burglary beyond a reasonable

doubt -- that`s not the point. I guess he`s right and wrong. You don`t have to prove the burglary beyond a reasonable doubt.

The point is, if she took this gun two weeks ahead of time, she fills up a bunch of gas cans in her trunk so she`s not caught on receipt or security

surveillance near Travis`s home, getting gasoline, she`s stolen this guy, and she makes her way to Travis`s home, that says she planned the whole

thing. And that goes toward cold and calculated under the Arizona death penalty. That is the significance of this burglary.

MONICA LINDSTROM, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: That`s a really bad fact. I`ll give you that. But here`s the other thing you need to remember about this, is

there is no actual connection between the burglary, that gun that was stolen from her grandparents and the gun that was used to kill Travis

Alexander.

The state cannot tie the two into a nice little package with a bow, Nancy, because, number one, the gun was never recovered. There`s no witnesses to

either the burglary or the shooting. There`s no tests with this particular weapon that was stolen with the casing that was on the ground. The only

thing is, is there are coincidences, the coincidence that it was stolen a week before, and the coincidence that it was the same caliber.

But like Peter said, there`s millions of those out there. So the state cannot tie it up nice and pretty.

GRACE: So -- OK, a 25-caliber goes missing from Jodi Arias`s home the week before Travis Alexander is killed by her with a 25-caliber gun. All right,

you know what? Maybe you two never took a statistics class, but I can tell you the odds of that happening are astronomical, that it be just

happenstance.

Beth Karas joining me from KarasonCrime.com. Beth, explain again why it`s so significant about this burglary.

KARAS: Well, the burglary seems to signify the beginning of the premeditation. Jodi Arias had phone sex with Travis Alexander on May 10th,

2008. She writes him a check for two months payment of the car he had sold her on may 25th, 2008. The burglary of this gun happens on May 28th. The

murder of Travis Alexander happens on June 4th.

She sets out on her road trip in between the burglary on May 28th and the murder. The road trip begins on June 2nd. So when the prosecution created

the timeline of premeditation, it goes back to May 28th. Something happened around that time. It is believed that she found out that Travis

wasn`t taking her or found out who he was taking to a trip to -- on a trip to Cancun scheduled for June 10th. Remember, he`s found on June 9th. He

was supposed to go to Mexico the next day. He was dead five days in the shower.

It is very interesting that a week before he`s killed, a 25-caliber goes missing from the house she`s living in with her grandparents, and there`s a

25-caliber spent shell casing in the bathroom and the bullet is in his head. And she did it. And she admits she did it. So it`s important

because to the state, this shows she`s scheming, right? She`s staging this burglary. She`s taking the gun. She actually goes into the bathroom with

two weapons, a gun and a knife.

GRACE: Everybody, you are seeing shots of Jodi Arias in court today after a massive blowup between the lawyers. The judge moved on, and they got

down to putting up their case. and the state kicked it off with evidence of a burglary that occurs just a week before Travis is found slaughtered

and shot with a 25-caliber.

Now, as Beth Karas just told you, there`s another piece to that timeline, the phone sex between Jodi Arias and Travis Alexander.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

ARIAS: Like when you`re (EXPLETIVE DELETED) me, but like, I`m looking with my head tilted back so all you can ever see is, like, the outline of my

chin and some of my cheek and jawbone, and like, my ears and hair, but you can`t really see the rest of my face. You can just see a (EXPLETIVE

DELETED) between two (EXPLETIVE DELETED) (INAUDIBLE) and everything sort of a little bit blurry (INAUDIBLE)

TRAVIS ALEXANDER, VICTIM: Oh, it`s great.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GRACE: Welcome back, everybody. I`m Nancy Grace. This is HLN, and we are live at the Phoenix courthouse, bringing you the latest, day three in the

Jodi Arias death penalty sentencing retrial.

Blow-up in the courtroom starts the day off, as the lawyers extremely angry, frustrated with each other. It starts off with the defense, who is

furious that the state`s witness won`t give him the answers he wants. He slams down a stack of files. That sets off the fireworks. This goes on.

The judge forces everybody to move on, and we begin hearing about a previous burglary. What does that have to do with the murder? Well, the

burglary included the theft of a murder weapon, according to the state, the 25-caliber gun that helped slaughter Travis Alexander dead in his own

shower.

Is it premeditation? Take a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ARIAS: You know I was taking a little trip that week. I wasn`t going to Arizona. I was going to Utah.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: June 2nd, 2008, 8:04 AM.

ARIAS: I stopped in Redding (ph) at the airport to rent a car.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: By 7:32 PM, Arias is in Lodi, California, stopping at a McDonald`s for a large fry and a bottle of water. June 3rd, just after

10:00 AM, Arias makes three deposits in two separate bank accounts at Washington Mutual in Monterey, California. By 8:31 PM, Arias is in

Pasadena, California. She stops by CVS pharmacy, followed by an 8:41 PM visit to a Pasadena Starbucks.

ARIAS: (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: June 4th, Arias makes a 3:00 to 4:00 AM arrival at Travis Alexander`s home in Mesa, Arizona. At 5:31 PM, Arias attacks and

kills Travis Alexander.

ARIAS: I felt so helpless because I wasn`t there.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: At 10:30 PM that night, Arias calls her new love interest, Ryan Burns (ph).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She got tired and so she fell asleep.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: June 5th, Arias arrives at Ryan Burns`s home in West Jordan, Utah, between 10:00 and 11:00 AM. June 6th, Arias leaves Burns`s

home between midnight and 1:00 AM.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We kissed probably many times.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Arias makes two purchases around 4:00 AM from a gas station in Salt Lake City, Utah. June 6th, 10:38 AM, Arias makes two

purchases at an In-and-Out Burger in Sparks (ph), Nevada. After visiting a 7-Eleven, June 7th, 12:20 PM, Arias purchases more fuel at a Valero in

Redding, California, and returns her rental car to Budget, arriving nearly three hours late and after traveling more than 2,800 miles.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: All right, all of this goes to show that she was keeping her trip near Travis on the low down. She didn`t want anyone to know she was there.

To Kinsey Schofield, social media strategist, KinseySchofield.com, explain to me how she did it. How did she keep her trail obscured from police?

Let`s start with the rental car. Renting it in a different town than her own, she travels, what, 25 miles to rent a car. She dyes her hair a

different color than she had when she rents the car. Then what?

KINSEY SCHOFIELD, SOCIAL MEDIA STRATEGIST: Well, she dyes her hair. She had gas cans prepared to fill up gas and not have to get gas in Phoenix,

Arizona. Another thing that kind of haunted me when I was listening to the track over -- that was just playing is yesterday, you had a guest on, one

of Travis`s roommates, that explained Travis never locked the front door, that Travis`s door was always open.

And to listen to that timeline that you just played and realize that Travis might not have had any idea that Jodi was just going to show up and that

Jodi could have just opened the front door at 3:00 AM. I mean, I`m literally getting goosebumps right now realizing that Travis might not have

had any idea that she was coming over and that she might have just opened up the door and entered, and somehow -- I mean, I know that he allowed her

to get in his bed, inevitably, but it`s just terrifying to think she just could have walked through his door on that morning.

But yes, it`s -- she collected receipts from all of those places. We know that she likes Starbucks, In-and-Out and McDonald`s. She -- I think the

biggest one is that she colored her hair. But she went out of her way to make sure that nobody saw her and nobody knew that she was in Phoenix,

Arizona.

GRACE: You know, another thing regarding not getting gas in Phoenix -- I thought she filled up in California and then she traveled almost all the

way through the state of Arizona without ever getting gas.

Let me get that clarified. Valerie Paraso, KFYI, did she ever even get gas in Arizona?

PARASO: Not that I know of. And the testimony today from the Walmart employee proves that she didn`t return the gas can. So I mean, she could

have filled up with the gas cans the whole way there.

GRACE: Unleash the lawyers, Monica Lindstrom, Peter Odom. All right, let`s just put it out there, Peter Odom. How often when you take a trip do

you fill up your car with gas and then get a bunch of cans, stick them in the back, fill them up to the brim with gas so you don`t have to stop in

the state where your lover happens to get slaughtered? There`s no trace you were ever there.

ODOM: Nancy, I don`t have to address these facts. The first jury already addressed these facts.

GRACE: Why don`t you?

ODOM: And they found...

GRACE: No, I`m asking you a question!

ODOM: They found premeditation.

GRACE: This came in today in front of this jury! Quit acting...

(CROSSTALK)

ODOM: ... and it`s completely irrelevant.

GRACE: You can`t stick your head in the sand and your butt in the air...

ODOM: I`m not sticking my head in the sand!

GRACE: ... and pretend this isn`t happening!

ODOM: Nancy, I want to get -- I want to get...

GRACE: Yes, you are!

ODOM: ... the prosecutors in this case back on track. They have to prove...

GRACE: Why can`t you answer?

ODOM: ... the first jury -- about have I ever done that? Of course not.

ODOM: Because you weren`t...

ODOM: They`re impossible facts to explain.

GRACE: ... trying to conceal your whereabouts!

ODOM: Why is this prosecutor...

GRACE: This is premeditated!

ODOM: ... focused on proving -- why is he proving that? The first jury already found that. He`s got to prove cruelty and depravity to get his

aggravating circumstance, all right?

GRACE: OK, you know what? Let me take you to school on this.

ODOM: It`s a waste of everybody`s time!

GRACE: You know, Valerie Paraso...

ODOM: I don`t know why he`s doing it.

GRACE: ... can you explain to Peter Odom, who is a veteran trial lawyer, why this matters?

PARASO: Well, I mean, they`re trying to show that this was premeditated, that she -- if she didn`t return these gas cans, she was planning all

along. She doesn`t want to be -- she doesn`t want a receipt, for example, of a Shell gas station showing she got gas in Phoenix and she was there and

it was timestamped.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you kill Travis Alexander on June 4th, 2008?

JODI ARIAS, SUSPECTED OF KILLING BOYFRIEND: Yes, I did.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You said that no jury would convict you. Something to that effect. Do you remember saying that? You remember saying that?

ARIAS: Yes, I did say that. At the time I had plans to commit suicide. The simple answer is that he attacked me.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

NANCY GRACE, HOST: Welcome back, everybody. This is HLN. I`m Nancy Grace. And I want to thank you for being with us.

We are live, parked outside the Phoenix courthouse, bringing you the latest. Day three, Jodi Arias death penalty sentencing retrial.

Straight out to the lines. Denise in Texas. Hi, Denise. What`s your question?

DENISE, CALLER FROM TEXAS: Why -- hi, Nancy. I love your show. But why - -

GRACE: Thank you.

DENISE: I thought she was supposed to be representing herself. Why is Nurmi and Will Cot talking for her?

GRACE: You know, Denise in Texas, stay right there.

All right. This is what happened the way I understand it.

Kinsey Schofield joining me. Also at the courthouse with Mike Duffy.

Kinsey, she got fed up with Nurmi because he wouldn`t go along with all of her whacky ideas. And he put his foot down. So she goes in front of the

court, demands that they all be fired. So for a couple of weeks she represented herself. When she realized that wasn`t going very well, she

got Nurmi back. I`m sure he`s so happy.

KINSEY SCHOFIELD, BLOGGER, SOCIAL MEDIA STRATEGY, KINSEYSCHOFIELD.COM: Well, and remember, in his closing last time, he was like, I don`t like

her. I know you don`t like her. But that doesn`t mean you got to kill her. Which is a terrible thing to say. And she addressed that with the

judge. Like he doesn`t even like me.

I mean, it`s been like a tug of war between those two. However, I do believe just by watching them interact that they -- she has confidence in

him. Because it`s really the only time that she looks up and addresses the room is when he is going after Juan Martinez and when he is going after

some of the things that Juan is stating.

So I do feel like they are on the same -- them same path right now.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ARIAS: I was in my church clothes. He was in his church clothes. I could feel an erection. Those are pictures of Travis` erection. We had anal

sex. I kind of felt like a prostitute. The first night it was the grinding and the next night it was oral sex. I felt a little bit used. I

kind of felt like a prostitute. I kind of felt like a used piece of toilet paper. Clenched teeth, stopped, stopped, stopped. And he stopped. It

became too painful.

No premarital sex. That vaginal sex was off limits. And everything else was more or less OK. It was a little confusing. The sex. Sex. He sort

of had like the Bill Clinton version. Oral and anal sex were also sex to me. But not for him. He finished by -- on my back. He called me a skank.

He called me Polly Anna, a porn star.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Fresh baked bread every day.

GRACE: Really? Here?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. Not just in this tray. We have a whole kitchen.

GRACE: It`s fresh.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Baked every day. Good stuff. There you go.

GRACE: OK.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We package our own peanut butter. We buy it in five gallon white buckets and we have a machine that`ll measure it so they get

the right amount and package it.

GRACE: These are medically sealed. I`m sure.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Not bad. Huh?

GRACE: Not bad.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Well, as a coincidence, that`s exactly what Jodi Arias is having for dinner. She had a hoagie roll, peanut butter jelly, ginger snaps,

apple, skim milk. Also soy stew, pinto beans, rolls, veggies and more ginger snaps.

All right. For those of you just joining us, we are live and camped outside the Phoenix courthouse. It is day three of the murder death

penalty retrial of Jodi Arias, and already fireworks in the courtroom. The lawyers square off in a bitter feud. The judge seems to overlook it and

forces a trial forward.

This as yet another juror, the third one, in jeopardy. Two already booted as another on the way.

Are we going to even be able to finish this thing with enough jurors? Once it dips below 12, both parties stay and defense must stipulate they`ll go

forward with fewer jurors. No way is that ever going to be stipulated by the defense.

In the meantime, we get wind of Arias trying to raise a quarter million dollars from behind bars. A quarter million dollars from behind bars.

Straight out to Mike Walker, senior editor, "National Enquirer," Author of "Out for Blood."

Mike Walker, what, she`s already raising a quarter million dollars to, what, defeat her guilty verdict?

MIKE WALKER, SENIOR EDITOR, "NATIONAL ENQUIRER": Exactly. She`s already raised $30,000. And I don`t know why you`re surprised. I mean, we just

revealed that our little boyfriend killer has already from behind bars as you pointed out raised herself a brand new boyfriend. This little lean,

mean, murdering sex machine has done it. I mean, after 29, you know, stab wounds, a near decapitation, a shot in the head, and she`s got a guy

already, you know, sucking around.

So now the new thing from behind prison bars that she`s going to do, Nancy, is she is going to raise, if she is found, you know --

GRACE: Got it.

WALKER: If she`s guilty for death penalty, she is going to raise $250,000. She said -- and before you laugh, she`s already raised $30,000. Our

sources have revealed to us. So, you know, and she`s been getting, I think I told you this before, she`s getting about 80, you know, contacts a day

from just friends and admirers. Not including her boyfriend of course who calls her on the telephone every chance he get. He can only see her once a

week for 30 minutes.

And there will be no conjugal visits. So there she is. I mean, busy, busy, busy girl. And so she wants $250,000 from all of you. And, Nancy,

I`m sure you`ll want to be one of the first to contribute. I`ll be right there with you if --

GRACE: That`s not exactly what I want to give her.

Mike Walker, as you`re talking, we are showing everybody video we took from inside Estrella jail. This is where Jodi Arias is housed. Behind bars she

not only has food prepared locally, organically, but she`s also spending her time blind bars, and this is where she lives and stays, all of her days

until she comes to court.

She`s spending a lot of time working on raising $250,000, and she`s well on the way. Reports she`s already raised $30,000. How is she raising the

money? Through her artwork. For one.

Straight out to Matt Zarrell. Let`s talk about her art work. How much money has she raised? What is she selling? What -- oh my goodness. OK.

There`s one. "Cat`s Eye."

Go ahead. What more do we know?

MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Yes. She has sold -- our records have it she sold almost $8.000 worth of art work. She`s also sold her glasses,

Nancy. She sold her glasses for nearly a thousand dollars. Now I should note that the glasses supposedly the money went all to charity.

GRACE: Oh, my stars, wait a minute. I just saw a cup of cappuccino with a heart in the top. And she stabbed Travis in the heart. I think I would

shy away from that one. One traced photo sells for $1,000, Matt?

ZARRELL: Yes, she`s selling stuff -- she`ll selling certain artwork for $3,000. I saw one piece of art that was listed for $9,000. There`s also a

Jodi band, which is a bracelet that she is also selling on the Web site.

GRACE: All right. The art. The eyeglasses she wore in her last trial.

Out to the lines, Sheryl in Indiana. Hi, Sheryl. What`s your question?

SHERYL, CALLER FROM INDIANA: Hi. Love you, Nancy. My question is, Jodi said in a post-interview that she would rather die. She would rather have

the death penalty. But my question is do you really think that`s a true statement? You know, she always says the opposite of what she really

means. And she said when she -- if she get the death penalty that would free her. She would have freedom.

But I don`t see this covered very often. What do you think her real thoughts are on that?

GRACE: Sheryl, there`s no way in Hades that she wants the death penalty.

To Cheryl Arutt, forensic psychologist, Arias has flip-flopped on everything she said. Why would she make a statement like that?

CHERYL ARUTT, FORENSIC PSYCHOLOGIST: I think she made that statement, Nancy, out of sheer cockiness. I think she was saying I`m impervious.

Come and get me. That doesn`t bother me. I think she was daring us.

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GRACE: It felt like elementary school in here.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Fresh citrus, came in. We get a lot of oranges, a lot of grapefruits.

GRACE: I did have anything like this for breakfast this morning.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Looks good, huh? Right off the tree.

GRACE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Fresh off the tree.

GRACE: A lot of them, too.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. We serve a lot of oranges.

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GRACE: Welcome back, everybody. We are live camped outside the Phoenix courthouse. Bringing you the latest. Day three in the retrial of Jodi

Arias death penalty phase. We are taking your calls.

Let`s see inside the jail, while we`re talking, Liz. Out to Melanie in Texas.

Hi, Melanie. What`s your question?

MELANIE, CALLER FROM TEXAS: Hi.

GRACE: Whoa, wait, wait, hold on, Melanie. I hope you`re watching TV right now. This is a pod where Arias stays. The phone she uses. She

raised her -- whoa. She gets to sit around all day and watch the Food Network while I`m working to support her defense team? OK, that hurts.

All right, Melanie, go ahead, dear. What`s your question?

MELANIE: Hi, Nancy. I don`t get to sit around all day and watch the Food Network. But I find that jurisdiction very intriguing where the jury gets

to ask questions. However, in watching the tweet as I can, people -- because things happen so fast, they can`t always tweet the question, so my

question to you is, do you think the jury is following along pretty consistent with the last jury on the prosecution`s theories?

GRACE: I think this jury is following along even better than the last jury. Largely because the way Martinez kicked it off.

Dr. Michelle Dupre, medical examiner out of Columbia. He started off with the wounds to Travis Alexander. What do you make of Alexander`s wounds?

DR. MICHELLE DUPRE, M.D., MEDICAL EXAMINER AND FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST: Nancy, these are incredible. The amount of force and the sheer

determination that it took to cause some of these wounds, the defensive wounds, nearly severing the thumb, being stabbed nine times in the back,

the way that she slit the throat, almost from side to side, so deep, so determined, the other knife wounds.

They had evidence of blunt force trauma, which means that she stabbed so hard that the guard on the knife actually caused some abrasions on the skin

from the force. Incredible.

GRACE: Everybody, you are seeing the crime scene photos as the jury sees them. We are live outside the courthouse.

Now CNN Heroes.

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LEELA HAZZAH, CNN HERO: 60 year ago, there were probably half a million lions in Africa. Today there`s less than 30,000 lions in all of Africa.

If we don`t do something soon, there are going to be no lions left maybe in 10, 15 years. Who knows?

I spent a year living in the Maasai community to understand why people were killing lions. It brings a huge amount of prestige to the warrior and they

were killing lions in retaliation for livestock that were killed.

They started opening up and telling me stories. That`s when it clicked. If we want to conserve wildlife, we have to integrate communities.

Our organization hires Maasai warriors and it converts lion killers into Lion Guardians.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Before I became a Lion Guardian, I killed eight lions. I realized that I don`t benefit from killing lions.

HAZZAH: Here are two letters.

When we first hire Lion Guardians, they don`t know how to read or write and we provide all of that literacy training and technical training.

They track lions so they can keep very accurate ecological data on lion movement.

The Lion Guardian model is founded on Maasai cultural values and it is just being tweaked a bit to the 21st century.

We never really even imagined that we could transform these lion killers to the point where they would risk their own lives to stop other people from

killing lions.

When I first moved here, I never heard lions roaring. But now I hear lions roaring all the time.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you want to feel like you were raped?

ARIAS: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Was it your ultimate goal in life to be Mr. Alexander`s whore?

ARIAS: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He calls you a three-hole wonder?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And a slut?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And a whore.

ARIAS: Yes. He calls me a bitch. He tells me I`m worthless and he tells me I`m (EXPLETIVE DELETED).

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GRACE: So she showed him, right? 29 stab wounds, including a slice across the throat, and a gunshot to the head.

Out to the lines, Erica in Arizona, hi, what`s your question?

ERICA, CALLER FROM ARIZONA: Hi, Nancy, I just want to say you`re beautiful and I appreciate who you are. And everything that you do.

GRACE: Thank you, thank you.

ERICA: You`re great. I just had a question. Jodi admitted that she drove to Arizona. Did she ever admit the route that she took or divulge maybe,

I`m sure she didn`t, but where she hid the knife and the gun? Or has anyone even inspected to find out where that might be?

GRACE: Good one, good one.

Kinsey Schofield joining us. Kinseyschofield.com. also in the courtroom all day, along with our team.

Kinsey, did she ever divulge her route once she was busted?

SCHOFIELD: She never divulged the route. And one of my favorite things that I`m sure you can relate to was the fog that we had to sit through. We

had to repeatedly hear about the fog. She could not tell you where she -- you know, where this -- well, she lied about the gun. And then the knife

supposedly came from being tied up for some kinky stuff and we never found the rope that was supposedly associated with it. So, you know, she

utilized the fact that she couldn`t remember to get through a lot of that questioning.

GRACE: Well, I`ve always thought, in answer to Erica`s question, she never divulged her route is because somewhere along that route is the murder

weapon, the 25 caliber she stole from her grandparents` house.

Let`s stop and remember American hero, Army Staff Sergeant John Doles, Claremont, Oklahoma. Bronze Star, Purple Heart, Army Commendation Medal.

From a family of military vets. Loved football, father James, three siblings, widow Heather, and two children.

John Doles. American hero.

Drew up next. I`ll see you tomorrow night. 8:00 sharp Eastern and until then, good night, friend.

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