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ANDERSON COOPER 360 DEGREES
New Video Shows Aftermath Of Deadly Attack At "Charlie Hebdo"; Americans May Face Heightened Security Measures At The Airport; Paris Terror Attacks: Incredible Stories of Survivors; Funerals in Jerusalem and Paris; Restoring the Flight 8501 Crash Picture
Aired January 13, 2015 - 20:00 ET
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ANDERSON COOPER, CNN HOST: Good evening, thanks for joining us.
This time we have new video that reveals just what Parisians were up against and the two gunmen who stormed the offices of "Charlie Hebdo" last week. Reuters obtained it and we are going to show you all of it, then break it down moment by moment. What you are about to see took place right after they stormed the offices of "Charlie Hebdo" killing those inside. When it was over, 12 people would be dead and all in the killer Said and Cherif Kouachi would be on the run. Take a look.
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COOPER: So that's the video we see, a minute and 42 seconds in its entirety. That video may speak volumes about the kind of training the brothers have had. Now, the next video, which has become sadly iconic, says something about their cruelty. We now believe it happened just moments after the footage we just saw and just a few steps away from where you saw that police car back up. One of the brothers walking up to wounded police officer, Amed Meribed (ph), a French Muslim and killing him with another shot. A police officer and two other officers killed during the initial attack and the manhunt that followed. All three today were (INAUDIBLE) awarded the French Legion of Honor.
Now, to an expert, there is a wealth information, almost every frame of the video that we've been seeing, joining us to break it down for us, our chief national security correspondent Jim Sciutto in Paris and also, Philip Mud, a former FBI and CIA official and global affairs analyst, retired And former Delta Force member global affairs analyst retired lieutenant colonel James Reese.
Jim Sciutto, let's begin with you. This video, I mean, it underscores how methodical these brothers were in getting away from "Charlie Hebdo." I mean, considering and you look at this video right now, considering they've already massacred people inside, he's now standing on the street yelling out to any onlookers. I mean, they seem relatively calm and organized.
JIM SCIUTTO, CNN CHIEF NATIONAL SECURITY CORRESPONDENT: Extremely calm and in control. And they didn't feel under threat. That's what struck me watching this. They have the time to stop, to reload, for one brother to help the other brother with a jam in his (INAUDIBLE) rifle, get back in the car, close the door, continue on. And even when they run into the police there, the police backing up as well.
This is broad daylight on the Paris streets. And remember, following this, they were on the loose for another 48 hours afterwards. I think it just highlights the comfort level they had, their training, but also the difficulty that French security forces had in responding to this, despite the fact that it took place right in the center, the capital of their country in the middle of the day.
COOPER: And Jim, when he holds his finger, it's often a symbol of one god, saying we've avenged the Prophet Mohammed, correct?
SCIUTTO: That's exactly right. That finger in the air is one that we've seen from a lot of jihadis and with multiple groups, whether ISIS, AQAP, others. You will see the kind of proud sign of their allegiance, right, to these groups. One group in particular, but it is, as you say, a sign there is one God and then, of course, him shouting out loud, we've avenged the prophet Mohammed for the carnage they've just carried out inside the offices of "Charlie Hebdo."
COOPER: Phil Mudd, I'm wondering, just you know, as a former intelligence guy and FBI, what do you see when you look at this video? What stands out to you?
PHIL MUDD, CNN COUNTERTERRORISM ANALYST: One word, Anderson, contrast. I've sat there every morning for ten years with what we call the threat matrix. And you would see sort of informal clusters of guys. It was always guys, almost never women. They might not have access to money. They have to go figure out how to get some cash from an operation. They sometimes had such a limited access to weapons that they'd go after an FBI informant that we inserted to acquire a weapon. They might take tourist shots for the potential target to plan for an attack. Clusters of guys, informal, potentially lethal but very unprofessional.
This is not a professional operation in Paris. Let's be clear about this. But the contrast in terms of even limited training that they might have had, the coolness in which they escaped, the fact that they were in black outfits to try to match themselves, even the care with which they selected the target, Anderson. This wasn't a target that failed to resonate in their circles. It's
clearly a target that had satirized the prophet Mohammed. It is not a target, for example, like the Boston marathon that might not resonate across the Middle East. So every step of the way, what I saw here was a contrast to a lot of the relatively informal, untrained operations I saw planned in the United States.
COOPER: Phil, it's interesting. You said this is not a professional operation. Explain that because I mean, they do seem relatively calm. Obviously, we don't know what's going on in their hearts and heads in terms of adrenaline and how pumped up they are. But you know, they're not running into the vehicle. They're walking. He's making pronouncements. He takes time to help his brother with the rifle.
MUDD: Sure. Well, let me give you a couple of examples and you can contrast if you want to go high and professional to look at bin Laden raid and how carefully executed that was over a large geographic space. Obviously, you remember the losing the identity card at one point, critical mistake.
But the other thing, remember, there is a large weapons cash here. In all the training, all the time they spent preparing the operations. If they had better prepared their escape, you would think that they could use that cash for series of operations that would have been tragic over time. It would radically sort of magnify the impact. So I think these are people who are step above about 90 percent of what I witness. But it doesn't get close to the levels of sort of professionalism you might expect from U.S. trained law enforcement or military officer.
COOPER: Absolutely makes sense.
Colonel Reese, you think the video shows that one of the brothers seems better trained than the other. Is that because one brother goes to the other for help with his rifle?
LT. COL. JAMES REESE (RET.), FORMER SPECIAL FORCES COMMANDER: Yes, Anderson. It does. You know, the driver looks like to me he has been the one that's got the most training. And what's taken from me is they had sustainability and they had some trainability.
The younger brother, I think, comes around the end of the car there. He has a jam that Jim Sciutto talked about. He doesn't know how to clear it because I think they just left the magazine, where they shot all those rounds and killed all those innocent people. And so now, he needs it, the brother you can see, the driver is a little frustrated with him and pushes his arm away these. Grabs the other magazine, he grabbed the wrong magazine, clears the rifle for him, reloads for him and literally said, hey, let's go. Let's get back in the fight here.
But what it shows me is the trainability that these guys have. But here's the other thing. You just don't go to Yemen for 30 days to learn these weapon handling skills and the ability to acquire a target. There's been some sustainability of this training over the years. That would be interesting to find out where they got it and mostly continue to do it in France. COOPER: You know, I saw a video in which you saw a windshield of the
police car that was shot up and the grouping of shots was relatively close together. I don't know how close they were when they were actually firing that, but it seems as though they had some, you know, taking some target practice to be able to group shots like that close together.
Colonel, the fact they had a getaway plan or this desire to get away, that this was not a death operation, a suicide attack. Clearly, they wanted to remain operational. They wanted to do more. They wanted to survive this initial attack.
REESE: Yes, Anderson. I'm a little bit to the left with Phil a little bit. I agree that -- I mean, this guys aren't, you know, special operation forces, but they had some ability. And for me, it's something we need to watch here as we continue to fight this global fight. And again, it's the trainability. And what these guys are looking for and what the recruiters are looking for in their foot soldiers.
And you're right. They did want to get away. They was a mistakes made. And I can tell you from my own experience, we have had guys leave personal effects on targets before. It just happens in the heat of battle. And that's the frustrations of battle and the -- in what happens out there.
COOPER: Phil, how much does it surprise that -- I mean, I get why they wanted to get away. They wanted to remain operational. But based on other people you have followed, other operations you have seen, often we see this being a one way operations, a dead end operation where it ends with suicide attack. It clearly, they had other plans.
MUDD: I think they did. But let's be clear here. My guess is, and it's only a guess, they might have anticipated they could have escaped the scene. But I question whether they anticipated that they would ever be caught. My guess is they thought that they would go down fighting.
The thing -- one other thing that surprised me, in addition to the operation itself is, when I watch people go into these situations, the emotions are so high, after the initial event that they are going out of the event not knowing what to do. These guys were able, not only to control a weapon to think about things like these guys, but to control their emotions after something they planned for for years to get out of it. But I think when they get out of it, they still anticipated the next days, three days a week, they're eventually going to die.
COOPER: Phil Mudd, I appreciate you being on, Colonel Reese as well. Jim Sciutto, stick around.
I want to talk about Jim's new reporting on the guy caught on video with one of the Paris suspect, the woman who got away. Tonight, we're learning who that guy is.
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Coming up later, bizarre story involving John Boehner, a bar tender and what authorities say was a plot to poison his drink. Details on that coming up tonight.
COOPER: Well, we began the program with video that answers quite a few questions where this confirms early suspicions about the level of training the Kouachi brothers had. Other video, though, until now only raised questions.
This, for example. Who is this man there on the left traveling with suspected accomplice Hayat Boumeddiene arriving in Istanbul, Turkey on the 2nd of this month? Tonight, we may have the answer. Jim Sciutto is back with what he's been learning about that.
Jim, so we now know the identity of the guy. What do we know about him?
SCIUTTO: That's right, his name, Medi bell Hussein (ph). Not an enormous amount known about, except that he was tied to Afghan- Pakistani terror cell. So adding yet another terrorist cell to the mix here of several, really, that have some ties to this attack. Not known if you have an operational tie to the attack, but he's seen there, in effect, helping to get one of those involved out of the country and on the way to Syria. But he, like so many others, with suspected ties to this remains on the run.
COOPER: And what do we know about the man who's now been detained in Bulgaria?
SCIUTTO: So this is another one of those connections. We know -- well, we know his name. Fritz Jolie Joaquin. He was in contact a number of times with the Kouachi brothers. So that's his tie.
In addition to that, he was going through Bulgaria on his way to Turkey, presumably to Syria, really, there is only one reason why you head that way. So two reasons to have suspicions about this ties to terrorism, but they don't have any hard ties to this terror cell or to being involved in planning this attack.
And that is really where, when you look at all these characters as the police started to figure out if there were other members of this cell, you know, you have these punitive connections, but you don't have definitive connections at this point. The police doing their best to piece it together. But at this point, really, they just know they're more interested in him because they don't know the connection to the plot.
COOPER: It is clear at this point how many people may be a part of this particular cell?
COOPER: No, it's not clear. You've heard numbers around half a dozen, but those could be suspected ties as opposed to operational members of it. I think that what we're seeing there is the police honestly don't know. They're chasing down every lead. But this is one other worrisome thing. There's so many terror
organizations now tied to this operations. You have the Yemen training for the Kouachi brothers, and that brings up Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. You have the kosher market attacker talking about his allegiance to ISIS. You have this man seen with Hayat Boumeddiene at the airport tied to a Pakistani-Afghan terror cell.
So many different cells which shows that there aren't really hard lines necessarily between these groups, their associations there, and that, of course, makes it much harder, Anderson, to snuff these groups out.
COOPER: And even with the kosher supermarket attacker, it's not clear if he was just saying he was a supporter of ISIS or whether there was actually some connection to ISIS itself, right?
SCIUTTO: Exactly. He certainly had ties to the Kouachi brothers who had ties to AQAP, the only ISIS tie is what he said in effect, his martyrdom video, released after the attack. So not knowing that's an operational tie. But again, a lot of these folks lead back to Syria as well. And that does, again, raise the prospect, not exclusively of is but raises the possibility of an ISIS tie.
COOPER: All right, Jim Sciutto, I appreciate it. Thanks.
Now, new details on heightened security measures that Americans may soon be facing at the airport, they stem in part from the Paris attacks, but also from a magazine called "Inspire" to make sound like something you find in a doctor's waiting room. It is not, however, of course, unless you are inspiration is to kill. More now from Pamela Brown.
PAMELA BROWN, CNN JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Amid renewed fears of hard to detect bombs like these being smuggled on to commercial flights, the U.S. is expanding random security checks of passengers in U.S. airports once they've already made it through airport security. Those second checks at the gate could include an additional bag search, passenger pat downs and hand swabs for traces of explosives.
PAUL CRUICKSHANK, CNN TERRORISM ANALYST: One part is the potential threat to airplanes and the other part is threats to passengers who are queuing up in a security line and somebody is trying to bring a bomb, maybe, rudimentary device along and could blow people up in the security lines.
BROWN: The step on measures are partly in response to Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula's propaganda magazine "Inspire" laying out a new recipe to concoct non-metallic bombs with simple household products. U.S. government officials say airport body scanners can normally catch these hard to detect explosives, but the advanced technology is not available on some smaller U.S. airports.
CRUICKSHANK: AQAP said even if this doesn't get through airport security, enough fuss will be made about the people attempting to do this that it will spread terror in the west and their aims will be achieved.
BROWN: This move comes after enhanced security measures over the summer that the passengers on U.S. bound international flights through additional scrutiny such as turning on their electronic devices to prove they weren't hiding explosives.
Following the latest terror attacks in Paris and renewed efforts by ISIS to target U.S. government officials, DHS is also stepping up security at federal buildings and more U.S. cities as U.S. law enforcement is being asked to stay on a heightened state of vigilance.
COOPER: Pamela brown joining us now from Washington.
Let's talk about this heightened state of vigilance. Officials you've been talking to today, what are they saying about potential threats of attacks in the U.S.? I mean, do they have anything specific?
BROWN: Nothing specific I'm being told. But there is the sense, Anderson, among law enforcement officials I've been speaking to, this heightened concern among them for their own safety and for the safety of those they're supposed to be protecting. I think the sense right now is that it's easier, it's more plausible for someone influenced by current events or some sort of terrorist propaganda, and for example, extremist who maybe on the cusp to actually act out.
So the census that, you know, in each new terror attack like what we saw in Paris, more people will be emboldened to act. That is compounded with ISIS aggressively using social media to get their message out, these threats from AQAP, Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula.
So as a result of these issues, Anderson, I'm being told that law enforcement sources are scrutinizing certain cases in the U.S. that perhaps didn't get as much scrutiny before in the wake of all of this.
COOPER: All right, Pamela, appreciate the reporting. Pamela Brown, thanks.
As always, you can find out a whole lot more on this and many other stories at CNN.com.
Coming up, more about what we can learn from this newly released video showing the moments after the gunmen stormed the magazine office in the terror attack.
Also, stories of survival amid the chaos. We continue to learn new details including a man who hid under a sink for eight hours in the besiege played out in that print shop days later. His incredible story now coming to light.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK) COOPER: Once again, our breaking news. New video showing the aftermath of the deadly attack on "Charlie Hebdo's" offices, the gunmen getting to a car, then involved in a shootout with police that left 12 people dead and set off a massive manhunt for the terrorist. Both of them now of course dead. But the search continues for other potential suspects.
A lot of new developments tonight. Joining me now are CNN national security analyst Peter Bergen and Bob Baer. Bob is a former CIA officer, and in Paris, Brooking Institution senior fellow, Jonathan Lawrence, author of the "Emancipation of Europe's Muslims; a state's role in minority integration."
Peter, as we look at the video, you and I were talking before the break that the symbol of holding up the one finger.
PETER BERGEN, CNN SECURITY ANALYST: Yes. So you see this in ISIS videos over time. And it refers to a kind of concept, basically, the oneness of God. The idea that their Shia Islam is sort of outside of the true Islam. It is a way of demonstrating like you're part of this ultra fundamentalist kind of interpretation. And in fact, becomes most from Tao heed (ph). And the reason is, it's relevant is, the Tao Heed (ph) group because Al-Qaeda in Iraq. Al-Qaeda in Iraq became ISIS and Al-Qaeda in Syria. So it's a way to say I'm part of these groups and making a point to identifying with these groups.
COOPER: But now, you have this guy who was seen with the female suspect entering Turkey. He's identified as being part of an Afghan- Pakistan cell. What do you make of these, this kind of web of connections that we are staring to learn?
BERGEN: Well, even Al-Qaeda itself, you know, you recall of this part, you know, the fact came out of the kind of joint operations between Al-Qaeda and Egyptian group, called Islamic jihad. So, it's not the first time we've seen this. 9/11 was the joint operation of these two groups. And we had an Egyptian in it, we have Lebanese, we have Saudis. And so, you know, at the end of the day, for start, if you were a victim doesn't make a difference whether it is Al-Qaeda central or Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. And you know, they are ideologically very similar. The tactic is the same. They share the same goals, which really, revenge against the west.
COOPER: Bob, do you believe, I mean, the Kouachi brothers believe to have ties with Al-Qaeda in Yemen, Coulibaly were allegiance to ISIS. Do you believe that Coulibaly, who is the guy who took over the supermarket and is suspected in the killing of a French policewoman last Thursday, do you believe he actually had direct connections to ISIS or was that more he watched videos and kind of wanted to bolster himself by saying he was connected to ISIS?
ROBERT BAER, CNN NATIONAL SECURITY ANALYST: Well, Anderson, right now, we don't know. But I think he looks like he pretty much was self-recruited. He adopted his ideology off the internet and he is looking at the Islamic state whose capital is in Raka, Syria, as a success. I mean, they've been able to hold on to land for more than six months. They are, in his view, the caliphate. And when you hear him yelling in the supermarket, he's not
particularly well versed in Islam and he's not using Arabic. So in his very simplified black and white world, swearing allegiance to the caliphate, the Islamic state, is a natural step. And I don't think any of these people were particularly well educated in Islam. You know, nothing they say, no quotes from the Koran and the rest of it. Sp they're ground soldiers and they can switch from one to the next just as Peter said.
COOPER: Jonathan, it is interesting to hear that, and we have heard than from other people as well. The idea that they weren't particularly versed, well-versed in Islam. They were sort of the enthusiasm of a recent convert but not somebody who spoke Arabic or really hadn't undid breathing of the Koran.
JONATHAN LAWRENCE, SENIOR FELLOW, BROOKINGS INSTITUTION: That's right. It's pop that the two brothers and Coulibaly had met in the (INAUDIBLE), in the (INAUDIBLE) in Paris about 12 years ago. And they came under the influence of self-appointed imam Fareed Benato (ph), who was a janitor at the time. He's recently been discovered in a nursing course in Paris after having already served time for recruiting soldiers to go fight Americans in Iraq. So no formal training in Islam and that's reflective of a general lack of imams in the country that have been trained in Koranic studies. And in general lack of chaplains in French prisons as well, which is quite a serious matter because there are only around 200 chaplains for around 30,000 Muslim prisoners.
COOPER: Bob, I want to move on to potential threats to the United States. We talked about this easily to conceal bombs the DHS is concerned about. In terms of how big a threat they pose, where do you stand on this?
ROBERT BAER, FORMER CIA OFFICER: Well, if you look at the "Inspire" magazine, this recent article, you're probably not going to get much of a bang with these bombs. They would be low order explosives. You could probably cause a fire on an airplane. You could probably get them through TSA security, but to really learn how to bring down an airplane with household items, you have to practice and it is possible, what you need is an oxidizer but you also have to be able to detonate it, you have to know what you're doing and simply putting this out and telling, you know, inexperienced people to blow up airplanes, I just - I don't see it happening.
COOPER: Peter, with the role of "Inspire" magazine, how important has it become?
PETER BERGEN, CNN NATIONAL SECURITY ANALYST: Well, it's been hugely, unfortunately, inspirational. And we've seen it in multiple cases and certainly the Boston marathon case, these guys read the recipes in "Inspire" magazine, but they also read other things on the Internet. And it was always surprising to me that they were able to blow up two bombs simultaneously. It's one thing to blow up one bomb and have it work --
COOPER: Right. BERGEN: but to have two? So, you know, they were able - They had no training. That's the interesting thing. They tried to go overseas to meet with militants. It didn't pan out, so it is possible if you get lucky, unfortunately in the case of Boston it happened, that you can do this.
COOPER: Peter Bergen, I appreciate your being on, Bob, Jonathan Lawrence as well.
Just ahead, a survivor of the Charlie Hebdo attack describes his desperate efforts to save his friends' life. Two maintenance men were the first to come under fire.
COOPER: Since the terror attacks last week in Paris, we've been trying to bring you stories of the survivors as we learn new details. Now, for the first time in his own words, a 27-year-old man is describing how he hid for more than eight hours inside that printing plant where the Kouachi brothers made their last stand. He hid under a sink. The space was very small, just a little over two feet by three feet and less than two feet high. At one point, the terrorists were less than two feet away from this hiding spot. In the French television interview, he described what that was like.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): At that moment, did you say to yourself, I'm
LILIAN LEPERE, HID UNDER SINK AT PRINTING PLANT: Yes, I thought he would look in all the furniture. If he's looking for something, for food supplies. So, he went towards the fridge and came back towards the place where I was hiding and drank some water. He was drinking just above me. I could hear the water flowing because I was right next to the wash basin. I saw his shadow through the door opening. I moved a bit because my back was stuck against the pipe that was leaking. I felt the water flowing. A surreal moment, completely surreal. And I said to myself, this is like a film.
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COOPER: Incredible. We also have new details about the first person killed by the terrorist last week. Frederic Boisseau was one of the building technicians who were in the reception area of the building where Charlie Hebdo had its office. He was 42 years old, a husband and the father of two young sons. And Sunday's march in Paris, his friends and family carried signs emblasened with his name. His work partner Jeremy Ganz was there. Before last Wednesday, neither man had been inside the building the terrorist stormed. In his firsts international interview with CNN Mr. Ganz described what happened.
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JEREMY GANZ (speaking French)
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COOPER: Incredibly, Mr. Ganz somehow managed to maintain his composure, when he had an opening, he took it.
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GANZ: (speaking French)
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COOPER: He was worried that blood smears would actually lead the terrorists to their hiding place. Thankfully, that did not happen. When the medics arrive, Mr. Boisseau was unconscious. His last words were for his wife and sons.
Seven victims of the terror attacks were laid to rest today in France as well as in Israel. We've mentioned the top at police headquarters in Paris, France's President Francois Hollande placed Legion of Honor medals on the caskets of the three police officers who have been killed, hundreds of their fellow officers paid their respects.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): My daughter shouldn't have died.
FRANCOIS HOLLANDE, PRESIDENT OF FRANCE: These heroes are today called. Franck Brinsolaro, Ahmed Merabet, Clarissa Jean-Philippe. I express my gratitude. My pride, thanks to you, with you, France is standing. Long live the republic and long live France.
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COOPER: Thousands of miles away in Jerusalem, funerals were held as well for the four people murdered inside a kosher supermarket. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and other public figures attended, two cities numb with grief morning innocent lives lost.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Philippe --
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COOPER: Up next, a very different story. An alleged plot to poison House Speaker John Boehner, the accused bartender.
COOPER: More breaking news tonight. An alleged plan to kill House Speaker John Boehner by a former bartender, who used to serve him drinks at a country club in Ohio. 44-year old Michael Hoyt has been indicted on charges. He planned to murder Boehner by poisoning his drink or shooting him. According to a complaint filed in federal court police, Hoyt has a history of at least one psychotic episode. And he told police, he was Jesus Christ and the Boehner was responsible for Ebola.
Joe Johns tonight has more. So, what are you learning about this?
JOE JOHNS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Anderson, Michael Hoyt is charged with issuing a murder threat against a U.S. government official, being held pending a psychiatric evaluation according to court documents found in the case. This all started according to the criminal complaint with a call to 9/11 that Hoyt made on October 29th, he allegedly told authorities he'd been fired from his job as a bartender at a country club in West Chester, Ohio, before he had time to put something in Speaker Boehner's drink. According to the documents, Boehner is apparently a member of the country club, Anderson.
COOPER: Do we know how credible this threat was? I mean obviously, authorities are taking it seriously.
JOHNS: Right, yeah, he suggested he's going to kill Boehner because Boehner was mean to him at the country club and he said Boehner was responsible for the Ebola virus and authorities essentially looked at this situation, asked him if he had a weapon, he said he had a Beretta 380 automatic handgun. The authorities actually found that gun and confiscated it for safekeeping.
COOPER: The bartender said he reached out to Boehner's wife. Is that true, do we know?
JOHNS: Yeah. It's pretty clear that he at least tried. Hoyt has said a lot of things. He's imagined and believes John Boehner is the devil and that he, meaning Hoyt, is Jesus Christ. Apparently after being questioned about some of the stuff, he later said he had no intention of doing the speaker harm, that he often poured drinks for Boehner. He apparently actually wrote an e-mail to the wife of John Boehner, Debbie Boehner and told her that if he wanted to, he could have done something but he didn't. COOPER: Joe, I appreciate the update.
Joe Johns, thanks.
We have more breaking news tonight. Investigators say they are successfully downloading data from the flight data recorder of AirAsia flight 8501. This comes as divers retrieve, as you know, the other black box, the cockpit voice recorder. Both devices, key pieces of the investigation could help explain what happened to the plane.
Also tonight, an Indonesian official saying searchers may have located the fuselage of the plane where many of the bodies of those on board may still be found. 48 passengers have been recovered so far. More than a hundred remain missing. Aviation correspondent Rene Marsh joins us now with the breaking news. So, what happens now that they've been able to download the information from the recorder?
RENE MARSH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Anderson, downloading the data from the recorder, that's the easy part. It's almost like plugging a USB into your computer. It can be done in about an hour. Now investigators are analyzing that information. The data recorders, as we all know, that it contains hundreds of parameters, thousands of data points. We're talking about speed, altitude and whether any of the systems on the plane failed. Making sense of all of that data, of course, that will take a little bit more time.
COOPER: And the voice recorder, do we know what condition it's in?
MARSH: Right now, Indonesian investigators, they are examining it. We do know that. They are looking for damage, but at this point, it appears that it is in good condition. Of course, the voice recorder has enough space, we do know, to record everything that was said, every sound in the cockpit from takeoff until the point that the plane crashed. So it should also be a very quick download, but what investigators will do next is listen closely frame by frame, identifying every sound that they hear from background noises to potential warning alarms going off and of course, the conversation between the pilots.
COOPER: And the fact that they believe they've located the fuselage, I mean that would be a major development for this investigation and for the families of the passengers.
MARSH: Absolutely. Especially for the families. At this point, they haven't confirmed it, but they do believe that they have found it. However, officials also say that many of the bodies of the people on board of the plane likely will be found inside. And so, again, as you said, that would bring some closure to the families. At this point, a total of 48 have been recovered. Still, more than 100 bodies still missing, Anderson.
COOPER: Rene Marsh, I appreciate the update. Thanks.
Let's get the latest on other stories we are following right now. Amara Walker has a "360" bulletin. Amara?
AMARA WALKER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi there, Anderson. The United Nations says more than 11,000 Nigerians have fled to Chad after the latest vicious attacks by Boko Haram militants. The Islamist group is suspected of forcing children to detonate explosives strapped to their bodies in recent days. Boko Haram soldiers also stormed the town of Baga earlier this month murdering as many as 2,000 people, according to witnesses.
An Illinois teenager accused of trying to support ISIS pleaded not guilty. 19-year-old Mohammed Zakan was arrested at O'Hara International Airport in Chicago in October. After today's hearing, his mother denounced ISIS and last week's terrorist attacks in Paris.
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ZARINA KHAN, SON ACCUSED OF TRYING TO SUPPORT ISIS: We condemn this violence in the strongest possible terms. We condemn the brutal tactics of ISIS and groups like it, and we condemn the brainwashing and recruiting of children through the use of social media and the Internet. And we have a message for ISIS. Mr. Baghdadi and his fellow social media recruiters. Leave our children alone. (END VIDEO CLIP)
WALKER: The Nobel Peace Prize awarded to Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and a Bible he cherished were the focus of a court hearing in Atlanta. Dr. King's children are in an ugly legal battle over the relics. A judge heard arguments, but did not issue a ruling.
And what tops a man bites dog story? Dog rides bus all by himself? That's the Eclipse. She's a regular on the Seattle bus route that takes her to the dog park. She got on alone one day while her owner paused for a smoke and the doors shut. She's been riding solo ever since and has made lots of friends. Anderson?
COOPER: I find that hard to believe. I don't know why. I just do.
COOPER: But at least she had a camera crew with her on that shoot. So --
WALKER: Glad they got the video of that.
COOPER: Amara, thanks very much.
Coming up, it's been 20 years since what was called the trial of the century. Tonight, what you never knew was happening behind the scenes. A preview of a CNN "Special Report" with Kyra Phillips all about the O.J. Simpson trial next.
COOPER: 20 years ago, this month, 20 years ago this month, think about that, a murder trial began that would become a national obsession, a spectacle, a media moment that was virtually un-parallel. Opening statements began in the O.J. Simpson trial on January 23rd, 1995. Over the next nine months, television covered the trial down to the smallest detail and people watched it constantly, a human drama in real time with characters like Kato Kaelin and courtroom moments that would become iconic.
Tonight, at 9:00 in just a few minutes, CNN looks back and fills in some of the blanks. What jurors think now looking back 20 years and what you didn't know about the trial? Johnnie Cochran's famous line, for instance, which as it turns out, wasn't really his line. Here's a preview of the "O.J. Trial: Drama of the Century" hosted by Kyra Phillips.
JOHNNIE COCHRAN: It makes no sense. It doesn't fit, if it doesn't fit, you must acquit.
KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: But now, two decades later, we learned that wasn't Cochran's phrase after all.
ALAN DERSHOWITZ, O.J. SIMPSON ATTORNEY: He didn't invent that. That was done by the dean of the Santa Clara Law School, Jerry Oman, who was the most unknown person in our defense team.
PHILLIPS (on camera): So, 20 years later, he's getting the proper credit.
DERSHOWITZ: He's getting the credit. He deserves it.
PHILLIPS (voice over): And after nine months of testimony, hundreds of exhibits, more than 260 days isolated in a hotel, jurors are finally sent to determine O.J. Simpson's fate. It's two votes guilty. Ten not guilty.
(on camera): Now, you guys had been sequestered for nine months. Were the majority of you working hard to get those two to come on board?
DAVID ALDANE, JUROR: Actually, no. It wasn't arguing or yelling or anything like that. We just came and took another vote and the other two came on board and they said not guilty. And it wasn't because they thought that he was innocent. It was because the prosecution just didn't prove it.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We, the jury in (INAUDIBLE) find the defendant Owen James Simpson not guilty of the crime of murder in violation of penal code section 187.
KIM GOLDMAN, RON GOLDMAN'S SISTER: They read it and we heard that and I just fell apart.
PHILLIPS: When you think of the verdict now, what are your thoughts?
KIM GOLDMAN: I feel betrayed. I feel really let down. I feel confused. Emotionally, I don't get why they chose to acquit him. Logically, I get it. It was because it was a racial thing. And I'm sad. I'm sad that we as a country couldn't rise above --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Above it.
PHILLIPS: Do you believe O.J. Simpson is innocent? 20 years later?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I found him innocent and I believe he's innocent.
PHILLIPS: You still believe that? 20 years later?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yep.
PHILLIPS: With all your heart?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All my heart.
COOPER: Kyra Phillips joining us now. Fascinating. I mean and you covered this 20 years ago, to be able to go and look back. Dershowitz, you asked him if he thought O.J. Simpson was innocent.
PHILLIPS: I did because years ago, I'm like, OK, tell me, Dershowitz, tell me how, you know, tell me what you really think. And he still, he would answer my question sort of in circles. But here's what he would tell me 20 years later. He kept saying the evidence was overwhelming. The prosecution blew the case. That's how he kept answering.
COOPER: Really? He said the prosecution is the one who blew the case.
PHILLIPS: Oh, totally. He said there was so much evidence. It was all there. Now, he went on record and said he thought O.J. was guilty, but then he was assigned to the defense team and then he didn't make any more comments after that. Now, here's something interesting. His mother, with whom he was very close well into her 90s was so angry at him.
COOPER: Is it right, really?
PHILLIPS: because she felt that he let a murderer walk free. She used to say, oy vey, O.J. That's what she would always say, and she would deny to people at synagogue and places that she wasn't even related to him.
COOPER: No, are you serious about it?
PHILLIPS: Yes, for years. And he said she really carries.
COOPER: But to be able to - I mean talked to jurors you talked to 20 years ago and see the impact that this has had on their lives, it's fascinating.
PHILLIPS: Yeah, in particular, Aldonna (ph). You saw in this piece. He was a black belt in martial arts and he said just psychologically how this impacted him, like the food, he kept going back and eating cheesecake and more cheesecake every day.
COOPER: While he was on jury.
PHILLIPS: He gained 70 pounds within those nine months and it's just been recently where he's gotten himself back in shape.
COOPER: Kato Kaelin. What's he doing?
PHILLIPS: Oh, my gosh. He's started his own business. You know, everybody accused him of being a slacker, a freeloader, a pariah, a mooch. And he said he's always been misunderstood, that he tried so hard to do what was right. Instead, he's decided to fight back against the criticism. Started a lounge wear company, slackerwear.com for your couch potatoes, Kato potatoes. I can't make this up.
COOPER: And O.J. is obviously in custody.
PHILLIPS: Yes, he is. And interesting about the Goldmans. Fred and Kim, whom you also saw, said that they decided to try and find some humor in all of this 20 years later and when he was sent to jail in Las Vegas, they sent him a card, welcome to your new home card.
COOPER: Wow. Kyra, it looks fascinating. Kyra, thanks for being with us.
PHILLIPS: You bet.
COOPER: That does it for us. We'll see you again at 11:00 p.m. Eastern. Another edition of "360" right now on CNN special report: "THE O.J. TRIAL: DRAMA OF THE CENTURY" begins.