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Teen to Marry Own Father; "Biggest Loser" Contestants Reveal Show`s Dirty Secrets; MLK-Themed "Selma" Snubbed by Oscars; Machete Rampage; Bruce Jenner`s Photoshop

Aired January 19, 2015 - 21:00   ET

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DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST: Tonight, a teen loses her virginity to her own father and now they are going to get married. Plus, what is going on with

Bruce Jenner? And, Biggest Loser contestants reveal the show`s dirty little secrets. Let us get started with our most tweeted story of the

night.

Was the Martin Luther King Jr., themed film "Selma" snubbed by Oscar voters? Of course based on the 1965 silver rights marches and getting

critical acclaim from all quarters but some. Take a look.

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CARMEN EJOGO (ph), AS CORETTA SCOTT KING: Here is the next great battle.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER (1): Selma is the place.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER (2): Dr. King.

DAVID OYELOWO, AS MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR.: I tell you, that white boy can hit.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER (3): 70 million people watching. These pictures are going around the world.

OYELOWO, AS MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR.: We must make a massive demonstration.

White, black and otherwise, come to Selma.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER (4): I heard about the attack of innocent people. I could not just stand by.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER (5): Looks like an army out there.

OYELOWO, AS MARTIN LUTHER KING JR.: My eyes have seen the glory, glory, glory. Hallelujah.

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PINSKY: Joining me, Samantha Schacher from Poptrigger.com, Vanessa Barnette, Hiphollywood.com and Larry Elder from the "Larry Elder" radio

show. "Selma" was nominated for best picture, best song and that is that. And, that is where the controversy begins. Right, Sam?

SAMANTHA SCHACHER, HOST OF "POP TRIGGER": That is right, Dr. Drew. So, first of all, Rotten Tomatoes gave it a 99 percent rating. That is almost

a heard of. Of course, there is a whole lot of praise coming from the industry.

And, paramount, there is saying, listen we were so busy completing the film that we did not have enough time to send out the screeners to the voters.

The critics of the snub are bringing up the fact that of the 20 nominees in the best actor category and the best supporting actor category, not any of

them are of color. Ok?

So, this has sparked the hash tag #oscarsowhite. For example, @hopefuljustice was quote, "Disgusted with the Oscars. Why the snub? I am

white. I think this is crap." @SamnanBati tweet, "Stop making such petty issues. No one is being racist or something. The deserving movies got

their nominations, period." @atkinpov tweeted, "I feel I need to remind some folks, Oscar so white is not an attack on white people. It is more

commentary on the system that favors white people."

PINSKY: Or perhaps that is just the way Oscars work, as you mentioned Sam, the fact they did not get the screeners out is a bit of a popularity

contest after all. Now, Larry, we pulled two of your tweets.

This one with a cartoon of Al Sharpton saying, quote, "No Oscar, no peace." And this, it is quoted as, "When did being nominated become a civil right?"

So, is this about racism or is this just about the popularity contest that is the Oscars?

LARRY ELDER, RADIO COMMUNICATOR: It is just Hollywood. That is all it is. I will remind you that "American Sniper" is very popular film. Its

director, Clint Eastwood was not nominated. That happens. Alfred Hitchcock never got a statue. It happens.

These are same people by the way who voted for "12 Years A Slave." And, may I point out that the president of the motion picture academy happened

to be a black female?

PINSKY: Is that true right now? She is black female, the current president?

SCHACHER: Yes.

ELDER: Yes.

PINSKY: All right, Vanessa -- Vanessa, you may comment on that?

VANESSA BARNETT, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: First of all, I think those tweets are kind of obnoxious and hilarious. I mean you just are looking for shock

value here. Your efforts are somewhat transparent, but I get what you are trying to say. But I feel like it is sending the wrong message.

No one is stumping around. No one has a temper tantrum and no one is comparing this to the civil rights. What we are bringing up the fact is

that for me, I do not even believe this is an academy issue as it is a Hollywood issue.

It is very well-known that filmed with diverse cast members are rarely made on the same level that an all-white film is made. So, it is not so much

that the votes are not there to get these awards. It is that the movies are not there. And, there are hurdles and all kind of obstacles when you

are looking to make a film as a black person --

PINSKY: Vanessa, slow down.

BARNETT: I am an Asian person. I mean --

PINSKY: I am going to show you a spoof that is kind of brings this home. Here is a spoof from SNL. I want to show you, guys, this then you can

respond.

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PETE DAVIDSON, "SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE" STAR: There is a big movie that came out this week about you. It is called "Selma." And, it looks great, like

historical.

(LAUGHING)

KENAN THOMPSON, AS MARTIN LUTHER KING JR.,"SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE" STAR: Well, I would pay 50 cents to see that. I guess that will be nominated for

a lot of Oscars, right? Oh, that mountain is getting really high.

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PINSKY: But, Larry, it did get a best picture nod, after all. Did it not?

ELDER: And, that is not small potatoes, is not?

PINSKY: No. That is great.

ELDER: And, she said that nobody is making a big deal out of this. Yes, they are. Al Sharpton wants an emergency meeting to deal with the lack of

diversity in Hollywood.

BARNETT: So, now, Al Sharpton speaks for all of us? Now, Al Sharpton speaks for all of us --

ELDER: May I finish please.

BARNETT: No. You talk to the majority of people that are upset by this snub --

ELDER: May I finish. May I finish.

PINSKY: Hang on.

BARNETT: -- they will tell you --

PINSKY: Vanessa, hold on. Go ahead, Larry. Finish please.

ELDER: Thank you. Thank you. Should there be sensitize. Should we have affirmative action, race-based preferences for the Oscars? And, by the

way, how many white people got nominated for the Ebony Image awards? I mean this is ridiculous.

PINSKY: But, Sam -- But Sam, part of this is in the shadow of the leak of all those emails at the Sony, during that Sony hack. Right? And, it sort

of -- it all sort of -- it does not feel right, you know?

SCHACHER: Here is the thing, Dr. Drew. I do not -- OK, I am not going to say, it is inherently racist, no, but there is a lack of diversity. I am

sorry. The 6,000 plus voters of the academy, 90 something percent of them are white. 73 percent of them are male. So, it does lack diversity.

Halle Berry fill to this day, she is the only African-American female to ever win a best actress award. Ava DuVernay, the director of "Selma," she

won at the Sundance Film Festival. She was nominated for golden globe. She did a great job. She should have been nominated for an Oscar in my

opninion.

And, she would have marked the very first African-American to be nominated as an a director, female rather. But to me, I think that sounds like that

should have happened ten years ago.

PINSKY: Well, next up, our poll results. Social media has been on fire after "Selma" received those two nominations. So, the question is, was it

snubbed? And, later, a father and his teen daughter are in a sexual relationship. She is claiming there is nothing wrong with that. We are

back after this.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER (1): What I do know is he is nonviolent. What I need to know right now, what is Martin Luther King about to do next?

CARMEN EJOGO, AS CORETTA SCOTT KING: They are trying to get inside of your head.

DAVID OYELOWO, AS MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR.: That is what happens when a man stands up and says enough is enough.

We build the as we came, rock by rock.

This cell is probably bugged.

It probably is.

(LAUGHING)

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PINSKY: I am back with our behavior bureau. And, of course, self consciously, we are having this conversation on Dr. Martin Luther King`s

birthday. Sam Schacher, Larry Elder, joining us Jennifer Keitt, life coach. That was from the movie trailer for "Selma." Jennifer, is the

Oscars the right place for this battle?

JENNIFER KEITT, LIFE COACH: Absolutely not, Dr. Drew. I do not think that anybody that is worth their -- has two cents in their head looks to

Hollywood to even begin to explain racial issues in this country. Honestly, I do not think it was necessarily a snub.

I do not think anybody expected Hollywood to be balanced or Hollywood to be objective in their opinions. They do what they have been doing for years,

Dr. Drew. And, I do not think that anybody expected anything more.

PINSKY: Larry, I think you are the same sort of point of view. We had a tweet up there from Danine -- our own Danine Manette, who is saying, "How

stressful it is to go through life looking for racism everywhere."

ELDER: Well, that is right. And, this lack of diversity business, if it is true that a lack of diversity is turning off people, why do black people

consume so much television and movies? You look at a black household and compare it to a white household and you find television consumption through

the roof.

If all these white people are insensitive and not giving them what they want, why are they consuming it so much? And, regarding the e-mail between

Amy Pascal and the producer where Obama was being dissed and you argue that it might have been racially insensitive, imagine an exchange of email when

they are talking about Newt Gingrich or some other republican? Are you kidding me? Hollywood despises republicans.

PINSKY: Let us bring in Judy Ho. She is Clinical Psychologist, professor at Pepperdine University. Judy, I want you to react to this tweet from

Ashley Perez. She is a Buzzfeed staffer, who is also a Korean-American. And, she says, quote, "Dear Asian people, you exist despite the media`s

refusal to acknowledge you, remember that on days like this. It gets complicated.

JUDY HO, PH.D., CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Right.

PINSKY: There is many, many different elements in us being a proper -- a consciously diverse society.

HO: Right. That is right, Dr. Drew. I am a Chinese-American, myself. And, I know that just when you look at media in terms of media`s portrayal

of even Asian individuals, you know, that has changed a lot over the years, over the last few decades in terms of them being more like caricatures.

And, now a days, a lot more balanced. And, so you know -- but it does not mean that every single media piece is going to be balanced. And, it does

not mean that everybody`s reaction is going to be the same.

And, so, I agree, with Danine. If you look for it everywhere, it is going to come up somewhere. And, all we can do is just try to see the diversity

in all the pieces that we have and try to make something of it now.

PINSKY: Now, Sam, I am going to have you give us some characterization of what our Facebook posts have been. But, first, I am going to give you the

poll. We asked the question, was "Selma" snubbed? 31 percent say yes. 69 percent say no. Sam, what are the other comments on our social media

accounts?

SCHACHER: OK. First of all, I want to respond that I think that a number of people, including myself, that do not think it is racist, maybe do not

think it is a snub, but we need to address the fact there is a lack of diversity here in Hollywood. OK? It is run predominantly by white males.

And, I think that needs to be talked about.

As far as our Facebook comments goes, Stacy D. says, "Seeing the movie and it was inspiring. GREAT MOVIE." Gwen S., "The movie is too real for some

people. It will do fine as long as we the people will support it. Oscars, we can live with or without."

Lenny P., "The sad thing about all this is that the cry of discrimination is meaningless because of all the non-racist issues being called racist.

Remember the boy who cried wolf." And, that is kind of the consensus I saw on Twitter too, Dr. Drew. There is a lot of people think that we are

demeaning racism by calling that racist.

PINSKY: That is in fact my concern is that you are diminishing a really serious issue that we have to all be very conscious about. And, if you

start calling things that are inconsequential important, you diminish the importance of things that actually are important.

Next up, a teen loses her virginity to her father. They plan to marry. And, later, a biggest loser contestant calls it a fat shaming disaster.

Back after this.

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UNIDENIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: An 18-year-old girl is planning to marry her dad. The teen, who wants to remain anonymous, says she grew up with her

mother and was estranged from her father.

She was 17 when she says he contacted her online. The first week she went to visit him, they had sex. Now, almost two years later, they are engaged

and planning to move to New Jersey where adult incest is legal.

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PINSKY: What else can I say but WTF? It is tonight`s "WTF" Of course, that is the most shocking story of the night, dominating the social media.

This woman gave a lengthy interview To "New York" Magazine in which she goes into quite a bit of detail about this relationship with her father.

Let us bring back Sam Schacher, Vanessa Barnett; joining us Leeann Tweeden, host of LA Today on AM570 radio. Sam, you read this article give us the

bullets.

SCHACHER: WTF indeed, Dr. Drew. OK. So, the parents, her parents had her when they were 18. They conceived her on their prom night. Her mother is

bipolar, she says.

PINSKY: Shocking.

SCHACHER: She also says that her mother dated a lot of men, very controlling. She lost her virginity to her father during the first week

that they met after their 12 years of absence. She ended up taking him, her dad to prom.

And, the only people that knew of the relationship, Dr. Drew, was her grandparents, meaning from the father`s side, as well as this woman that

lives in their home that -- guess what?

Used to be her father`s girlfriend until she heard them having sex and somehow she is OK with all of it and then her best friend. And, she wants

to get married and have kids with him.

PINSKY: Leeann, I am sort of speechless. I mean --

LEEANN TWEEDEN, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: Do you think?

PINSKY: Yes. I mean it is like what is happening to us? What is going on here?

TWEEDEN: To me, Dr. Drew, there is so many things wrong with this.

PINSKY: Really? You think?

TWEEDEN: Well, I mean -- yes, let us start with the dad. The dad`s position, even though he was not in his daughter`s life, there is never a

society I think where it is OK to take your young daughter, knowing --

PINSKY: Well, I guess the Egyptian royalty used to do that, I guess.

TWEEDEN: Well, OK, this is not ancient Egyptian --

PINSKY: And, clearly, there was consanguinity in other royal line, it did not work out so well.

TWEEDEN: It did not work out so well, Dr. Drew.

PINSKY: That is why we have laws about that.

TWEEDEN: And, we are talking about, A. An emotionally damaged girl. We all know that she said she never kissed a boy until she figured out that he

would not leave her, that they have a long-term relationship.

She said in that interview, "Well, I lost my virginity to my dad because we spoke about it before. I told him I needed to make sure that he is going

to be there for the long call." So, she has these attachment issues.

PINSKY: Yes.

TWEEDEN: But, she is like, "You have to promise me you are never going to leave me. OK. Then I will give up my virginity to you." Even though, it

is her father, she is in such a bubble that she does not even know that how wrong this is, that she is being taken advantage from somebody, who should

be protecting her. Not having sex with her.

PINSKY: Yes. Vanessa, Leeann says --

BARNETT: That is disgusting.

PINSKY: -- the girl is in trouble emotionally. I say the dad is the one really the disturbed person.

BARNETT: Yes. Well, clearly, the dad is.

PINSKY: He is the one that I have the intense feelings about.

BARNETT: I just do not understand how there are not more parameters in place to avoid this when we have read this is not -- this is not the first

time this has happened. This is something that is --

PINSKY: But, Vanessa, guess what? Guess what? In three states, I am aware of --

BARNETT: That is legal.

PINSKY: I believe it is New Jersey, Rhode Island, Connecticut, you can marry your dad. It is all right.

SCHACHER: Wow.

BARNETT: But, I do not understand -

PINSKY: Yes. Can they marry? They can date but they cannot marry. I beg your pardon, I was way off. Go ahead.

(LAUGHING)

SCHACHER: They can just have sex.

BARNETT: But, then if you have like your mental health professional or therapist, if you have sexual attractions to them, then they are supposed

to refer you to a different client and cut all of the conflict.

PINSKY: Yes. That is right.

BARNETT: But, then you have the parents and this parent and this child that are sleeping together. And, there is no law to intervene, there is no

way to break this up? This woman talks about abandonment issues. She has talked about her mother being bipolar. She has so many issues that she has

growing up. And, then this man comes in --

PINSKY: And, this is not the way to solve them. This is the way to make them worse.

BARNETT: It is disgusting.

PINSKY: This is the opposite of what she needs.

BARNETT: And, she was 17.

PINSKY: Here is an audio re-enactment of some of what she said in that "New York Times" article - "New York" Magazine, I beg your pardon.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: There is a reason I lost my virginity to him, because I never felt comfortable with any other man. It was insanely

sensual. It lasted for about an hour and there was a lot of foreplay.

We both had orgasms. We are so similar. So, it is so easy to sexually please each other. For example, we both love neck biting. I have never

been in a more passionate, loving, fulfilling situation.

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PINSKY: I just wish the cameras were rolling during that re-enactment. Watching all of three of you, shudder was one of the best moments of the

day. Sam, it is OK then they both had orgasms. It is fine.

SCHACHER: Dr. Drew --

PINSKY: That is a justification. That makes this OK.

SCHACHER: Screw this dad. He is the adult. He is the father in this. She is emotionally broken. And, listen, at 16, 17, 18 years old, we all

think that we found the one. I was in love with my boyfriend, thought, "Wow, I will be with him forever." Newsflash, he was an A-hole. Thank God

it was not my father. So, you know what? And, she does come from a lot of trauma. He totally took advantage of her.

PINSKY: That is right.

SCHACHER: He should be charged with child abuse.

PINSKY: I agree.

TWEEDEN: Dr. Drew even at the end of the article, she said something like, "Oh, he was broken too, but we found each other and we are going to be OK."

So, she admits that, obviously, he has his own issues but somehow it is perfectly OK that they are having sex and getting married and they are

going to have -- procreate together.

PINSKY: 17-year-old knows that her father is broken and that they are -- therefore, they are good for one another. I mean think about the trauma in

this kid. We do not even know the full spectrum of the trauma. I mean she -- The mom was -- had some mental illness, you know, apparently had some

impact on her, reasonably.

Mom also dated a lot of different men and there was a lot of abandonment issues. Leeann, you mentioned there is a lot of attachment. You want to

go further on that issue? Forming attachments and not about re-enacting sexual acts with your father.

TWEEDEN: Right. I mean my best friend, her dad left her and she still has daddy issues and feeling like men are always going to leave you, but that

does not mean she wants to have sex with her father.

I just think that there is no -- the father is not being a father here, because, obviously, if she is saying that he is broken and that they found

each other and they are still alike --

PINSKY: All right.

TWEEDEN: -- that maybe this is a good thing, think about this, Dr. Drew. If they procreate -- we always talk here about the cycle. Can you imagine

the cycle where she talked in the article, she goes, "Well, I do not know if I am going to actually tell our children that it is their daddy and

their granddaddy. We are just probably going to leave that alone.

PINSKY: All right.

BARNETT: You cannot --

TWEEDEN: How do you leave that alone and then never tell them that?

PINSKY: Vanessa.

BARNETT: You cannot leave it alone. And, what about the health risks? Are not there severe health risks in place --

SCHACHER: Right.

PINSKY: Yes. Of course.

BARNETT: -- when things like this kind of --

PINSKY: The genetic issue. The consanguinity problems associated with the genetic problems are certainly real. But, here is what I think. Leeann is

right on top of this, which is that we have always talked about transgenerational transmission of trauma.

Now, we have two traumatized individuals from two different generations forming potentially genetically problematic individuals, who are then going

to be reign down the trauma from these two screwballs.

This is not the way somebody like this girl needs to be treated to resolve her issues. This is the opposite. This is why doctors and teachers and

people in positions of authority should not act out on people for whom they are responsible.

People in authority, big people take care of little people. That is how the world works. Adults take care of children. They maintain boundaries.

They do not violate boundaries by becoming sexual with somebody who has been traumatized by the very individual, who is now becoming sexual with

them. It is distractive.

Next up, a woman who had sexual feelings for her father is here. We are going to talk to her. We will see what she thinks about this phenomenon

that sometimes is called genetic sexual attraction.

And, later, see what happens to someone we are calling machete man after he busts through a person`s door. We have the viral video, after this.

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JULIE, HAD INTIMATE AFFAIR WITH HER FATHER: My father and I reunited last year and we had a great reunion. It was very emotional. One of the key

things that happened was we realized how much time had gone by and there was a lot of grief.

And, so, this sort of propelled us into this intense hyper-relationship where we were constantly communicating, constantly trying to find out more

about each other. And, the more we got to know, the more we realized how much we connected.

PINSKY: Is there a sexual component to it now?

JULIE: Oh, there was not at first.

PINSKY: But then there was?

JULIE: Well, exactly. What happened was I actually said to my husband, I said, I feel the same feelings that I felt when I fell in love with you.

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PINSKY: I am back with Sam, Jennifer and Judy in a segment we call "WTF," indeed. That was, of course, Julie. We are using her first name only.

She was on our show in 2012. She has herself experienced something called genetic sexual attraction, and she joins me by phone. Julie, I wonder if

you have any reaction to this article in "New York" Magazine?

JULIE: Hi, Dr. Drew. Good evening.

PINSKY: Thanks for joining us.

JULIE: I read it and I immediately felt a lot of compassion for the young woman in the article. I also felt a little protective like I wish I could

spare her the journey that I took. But, sometimes --

PINSKY: Well, slow down. Tell us about that because I know you have been through a lot since we last met with you. What is that journey?

JULIE: Well, the journey was a lot. There was a lot of processing. I mean I came on your show in 2012, you know, and it had been six to eight

months. But even after that, I continued to try to normalize the relationship with my father and had ups and downs. And, it ultimately

ended very sadly, very poorly.

And, now, that I have some distance, I am able to see more clearly how dysfunctional the relationship actually was. And, I wish I could give that

gift to her now, but I cannot. You just -- it is something you just have to learn for yourself.

PINSKY: Do not we have to hold these, let us in quotes, "Fathers` accountable for the transgressions and the violation of your boundaries and

a sacred responsibility the fathers have?"

JULIE: I agree. I think no matter how much a child in that situation, even if they are an adult can say it is consensual, I want this, and I can

even understand that the feelings that she probably feels are very real.

There is no way for that relationship to ever be equal. There is never going to be equality in a partnership. There is always going to be an

imbalance of power. And, the fathers need to be held accountable for that.

PINSKY: How do you perceive this entire phenomenon now in retrospect?

JULIE: In retrospect, I think that the GSA community, while they have tried to lessen the taboo, which I can agree with in theory, it is good to

get people talking, get people in therapy about this.

The reality is that in some ways it also makes you feel like it is not as dangerous. And, I having had distance, I think it is actually quite

dangerous. And, I think it is quite traumatic. And, I am four years out and still dealing with the effects of it on some level.

PINSKY: Are you OK?

JULIE: Yes. I am very good. I am happy. I have been working with a counselor for years. And, I feel like I am in a really good place. But,

it has affected my entire life.

PINSKY: Of course. All right. Julie, thank you so much. You really brought this story home in a way that I think other people can understand

it more vividly. And, we are going to talk about it right now with our professionals. Judy, where do you think this attraction comes from? What

is this phenomenon in reality?

HO: Well, Dr. Drew, they have actually done studies on this. And, it seems that people really are more attracted to people they are genetically

related to and that they have seen when you put faces of composites of your relatives together that an individual usually will pick those pictures over

pictures of people they are not related to.

However, that could just really speak to the familiarity. And, that fact is really true that we do tend to be attracted to things that are somewhat

familiar. No, biologically, though, we should select against that. And, so, I think part of the issue here with what you were talking about in the

last segment, Dr. Drew, with you know the type of trauma that gets passed from generation to generation.

PINSKY: Yes.

HO: And, the fact that incest is almost never consensual. There is always a lead in that particular relationship that is really transgressing on to

the other individual. And, the other individual does not really realize it because in some ways they are kind of being brainwashed and led into this

relationship.

PINSKY: All right, Judy, that is a clear indictment on the father. Sam, did you understand what she is saying?

SCHACHER: I do.

PINSKY: Because that is categorically how this works.

SCHACHER: I do.

PINSKY: This is a perception on the part of the child that there is an attraction when it is in fact a sort of brainwashing by somebody in

authority.

SCHACHER: Yes. It makes a lot of sense because when I read that interview, I immediately saw the dad as a predator.

PINSKY: Yes.

SCHACHER: I mean he started contacting her own Facebook when she was 16. But, Dr. Drew, I do not know if you saw Danine`s tweet during the break.

But, Danine has a theory. And, I propose that we have a new segment called Danine`s theories. She believes that the two of them are willingly --

willing to talk about this because of the very fact that they want their own reality show.

PINSKY: But, that may be a secondary gain, so to speak. But, Jennifer there is something far more serious going on here that we --

KEITT: Absolutely.

PINSKY: And, you know, it is interesting, you see this kind of stuff over and over again, which is that people transgress. They take advantage of

other people.

HO: Yes.

PINSKY: They take advantage of their position.

KEITT: And, I think that is exactly what needs to be emphasized here. Because there is a lot of dads out there, Dr. Drew, trying to do it the

right way. This story is one of the most difficult ones that I have done on this show. It just touches me at that level.

There are fathers who are trying to date their daughters in a very holistic way to build their confidence, to build their esteem. And, now you hear

stories like this and it completely changes the entire landscape. He was a predator. He set that up.

When he began to have sexual feelings for his daughter, he should have stopped the situation. She was a mess. She was broken when she came to

him. And, he knew that. And, that is predatory. I pray that they find him and put him in jail.

PINSKY: Judy, again, you, guys, are speaking vividly and learly and right on the money that she was in trouble and he took advantage of that with his

own flesh and blood. Judy.

HO: That is right. And, there are certain risk factors in this father. I mean we do not know a lot about his history, but I would bet that there are

some issues in his own sexual past --

PINSKY: Of course.

HO: And, that he has been deprived sexually for a very long time.

PINSKY: Well, kind of deprive but he has some issues with his sexuality for sure. Maybe he is a sex addict. Maybe he has been deprived or maybe

he was traumatized sexually in some way.

HO: Yes.

PINSKY: But whatever it is, I do not care --

HO: Right.

PINSKY: -- Because he was the one that needed to take the position of authority he was in. Frankly, I think the legal system should step in on

this.

HO: And, here is my problem, Dr. Drew, is that because most people who commit incest will not go to treatment. We know very little about what

works and quite frankly they do not want to be treated. They do not want to know the biological and social repercussions of what they are doing.

PINSKY: Well, Sam, you have something to say here --

KEITT: But, this is a criminal act.

PINSKY: Yes. I agree with you, Jennifer. In my point always Sam is to people is like, do get help. Know what is right and wrong. It is not that

hard to know what is right and wrong and get help before you hurt somebody else.

SCHACHER: Some people are too selfish, Dr. Drew. They do not care.

HO: Yes.

PINSKY: It is hard for me to accept that. Jennifer --

KEITT: That is --

SCHACHER: Am I half glass empty? I hope not. I would hope I am half glass full here, but maybe not.

PINSKY: There are people that do not care. There are predators. There are sociopaths. We report about them on this show all the time. But, I

think most people fundamentally are good. I just think that people are deeply flawed and they are not willing to speak up and reach out for help.

They do not want to change. That is the problem.

And, they get themselves in situations where they end up hurting other people. And, then, God help you. It is on you at that point. You know,

people like me and people that reach out and try to help are trying to help before you harm somebody else. When somebody gets harmed, then it is on

legal system at that point.

Next up, the story trending with our guests is including things like Bruce Jenner does not look like he used to and later a man with a machete goes on

a rampage and someone on the other side of the door recorded the whole thing. And, it is making the rounds. Back after this.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

PINSKY: Back with Sam, Vanessa and Leeann. Time to get your click fixed. This is where each of my panelists share the stories on their social media

feeds that had them clicking through and watching. Sam, you are up first.

SCHACHER: OK. So, what caught my eye on Twitter, Dr. Drew was the Biggest Loser secrets. And, there were so many responses surrounding it because it

is controversial. So, Biggest Loser, huge show. A lot of people associate the Biggest Loser with a positive experience for the contestants.

Well, not so much for Biggest Loser former contestant, Kai Hibbard. She calls the show, quote, "A fat shaming disaster that I am embarrassed to

have participated in." She makes claims that the contestants are physically abused, mentally abused. They go home with scars that last way

past the show.

She claims that the trainers get a sick pleasure out of seeing contestants collapsed mentally and physically. She wants the world to know that it is

not healthy when one of her colleagues loses 30 pounds in a week, which she claims. And, she says that they are also being fed food that is sponsor

food. So, like Jell-o, Red Bull, not nutritional value food.

PINSKY: Right.

SCHACHER: And, she just wants people to know it is abusive and it is not healthy.

PINSKY: Let us talk about it. Leeaan, I will start with you. Do you think it is fat shaming the way they present things, because I actually do.

I think they are -- people are demeaned for being big.

TWEEDEN: Yes, but it is a reality show, Dr. Drew.

PINSKY: No. No. I get it. I understand.

TWEEDEN: Do not be on there if you do not want to be fat shamed. People know now in how many seasons that this has been going that they are going

to go on that they are going to go through a boot camp. And, look --

PINSKY: But, hang on. That is not the question. The question is, is it appropriate for it to be a reality show? The question is it fat shame? It

is under the umbrella of being health advocate. It is pushing health. Guess what? It is not healthy to be obese. It is not, but are they

shaming these people? Vanessa, you seem to think they are.

TWEEDEN: I think they are, Dr. Drew, but it is a hugely popular show.

PINSKY: No. I understand.

TWEEDEN: They make $100 million in advertising and people are watching it.

PINSKY: The question, though, is it -- is the net affect good or bad? Vanessa, if it is shaming people who are overweight, which is a lot of us.

I am not sure it is good. If it is giving unrealistic goal or unrealistic messages about how people need to lose weight, and get in shape, I am not

sure that is good. What do you say?

BARNETT: I think if you are going to -- if you want to lose weight, you should expect to go through rigorous things to get there, especially when

you are severely overweight. You are going to pass out if you are doing five miles and you are speeding down a track or you are doing exercises

that you have never done before.

Look, it is going to be tough. And, yes, there is a little bit of shaming in this because we do shaming in not just when someone is overweight. We

shame people when they do not look a certain way or do not act a certain way. That is one of the things that people seem to do to get the results

that they want.

PINSKY: Well, listen --

BARNETT: I am not saying it is OK. I am not saying it is OK. What I am saying is that is what you sign up for, but at the end of the day walk away

if you are not happy.

PINSKY: There is nobody we ostracize more powerfully than overweight people.

SCHACHER: Thank you.

PINSKY: We really -- It has been changing in recent years, but listen -- here is my question. From the beginning when I watched this show -- I am

not going to get critical about the show, because I understand they are try doing something positive.

But from the beginning, I would look at some of these people and go, "Oh, that guy is an alcoholic. Why are not they dealing with that?" And, "Oh,

that guy is -- "That woman is a trauma survivor."

What they do with their body is to keep people away. It is what people do when they are trauma survivors. And, it is not being addressed. It is not

being talked about. Research shows clearly one of the most significant risk factors for obesity is childhood trauma. And, that is not addressed

anywhere and that drives me crazy. Sam.

SCHACHER: And, not only that, Dr. Drew. OK, did you see the episode where they were lined up in these horse stalls and they had to go to run down the

racetrack like horses?

PINSKY: Stop, stop. Somebody says -- a Twitter follower says a friend of mine was on the show, it changed her life for the better. OK. It would be

great if they had published data too. But, go ahead, Sam. Tell us about that.

SCHACHER: Yes. OK. So, that to me felt very demeaning. It is just the fact and I know that it is like they say losers because they are losing the

weight. But then they call each other losers and to me it is just cringe worthy.

And, the fact to blame these people to go on the show, they do not know. It is a big fat carrot that is dangling in front of their head, come on the

show, you will lose weight. You will get some 15 minutes of fame. They do not understand that they are going to be working out five to eight hours a

day.

TWEEDEN: I do not believe that, Sam.

SCHACHER: Five to eight hours a day, Leeann. That is insane.

TWEEDEN: Come on. We are talking about a reality show, Sam, where 200,000 people turned in their resume trying to get on this show. You know it is

reality T.V.

SCHACHER: It does not matter. It is not OK.

TWEEDEN: You watch the show. They are trying to lose 150 pounds.

BARNETT: Or you can walk away in the middle.

TWEEDEN: Exactly.

SCHACHER: It does not make it OK, though.

PINSKY: I say, I am leaving it to our viewers and our social media followers. Please let us know on Tweeter. But, here is what NBC says,

quote, "Our contestants are closely monitored and medically supervised. The consistent Biggest Loser health transformations of over 300 contestants

through 16 seasons of the program speak for themselves." All right, Vanessa, you are up next.

BARNETT: Ha! Following that, this is the story that caught my attention because I went through a range of emotions reading it. So, I do not know

if you saw it "In Touch" magazine took Bruce Jenner`s face and photo shopped it on Stephanie Beacham`s body. You know, the chick from Dynasty

and kind of merged it two together. And, so it kind of look --

PINSKY: Do you have it? The picture.

BARNETT: It looks like a lady.

PINSKY: OK.

BARNETT: Like that is what it looks like. And, so, Chris Jenner gets all up in arms. She is like "In Touch" magazine. We are not talking to you.

We are not giving you real quote. You cannot come to the Kardashian`s general event. She got really upset.

And, so, initially, I am like, "Great. Stand up for this guy. You know, you guys may be divorced now but this is great, Chris. I like this side of

you." Then I sat and I said, "Uh-uh, the Kardashian fool us on a daily basis." She treated this guy worse for season after season than any

magazine has ever done to him.

So, I think this is another ruse by the Kardashian clan. And, we are going to see this on the next season of keeping up with The Kardashians. And, it

is just another story line. I am over it.

PINSKY: All right, so Samantha, it is just another publicity stunt? Do you agree?

SCHACHER: Dr. Drew, I feel so bad for Bruce Jenner. Whether this is -- listen. Regardless, Bruce Jenner is a human being. And, when you read

some of those tabloids where people are saying, "Oh, he is wearing nail polish" or "Oh, when is he going to come out as a transgender?" That is up

for him to do.

It breaks my heart to see them essentially bullying him. I think Russell Brand said it best. He just released the video. It has already gone

viral. And, Russell Brand was talking about the fact that it is up to Bruce Jenner to talk about the fact, whether or not this is self-expression

or he is going through a transition to become transgender. Leave him alone.

PINSKY: Vanessa.

BARNETT: Is not it fair to ask the question when all of a sudden his hair is super long. He is wearing nail polish. He wants to shave down his

Adams apple, allegedly.

SCHACHER: Sure. But people are not just asking the question. They are being mean.

BARNETT: Being inquisitive is natural.

SCHACHER: Of course.

BARNETT: It is like, "Hey, this is not the guy we saw three, four, five seasons ago."

SCHACHER: That is different, though, Vanessa. That is different. You should read some of the headlines. They are not just inquisitive.

(LAUGHING)

TWEEDEN: True. True.

PINSKY: But, Leeann, my thing is if this guy is transitioning -- I mean this is sort of unconscionable the way people are behaving towards him. I

hope if that is what is happening, I mean I wish he would sort of settle the score or someone in his camp would settle it. If he is going through

this process, it is something that maybe people can learn about and not be so abusive.

TWEEDEN: That is the problem in Hollywood, Dr. Drew. When you are -- I mean let us not talk about him being the dad of some of the Kardashian

clan, he Jenners.

The problem is, is that when you are in Hollywood, everything you do -- when you have wanted it and invited it into your home for years and years

and years to make a big profit on it, to invite the cameras in to follow your every move.

And, everything you say, every fight, whether it was contrived or not, they are going to follow you when all of a sudden you start painting your

fingernails. You have long fake nails. You shaved your Adams apple. You start wearing makeup and you have long hair.

You know, I know it is wrong to do because he might be going through this midlife crisis and has an issue. I mean if you lived with those women, it

does not surprise me that he wants to have painted nails, and long hair and wear makeup.

(LAUGHING)

PINSKY: He goes to some kind of transition.

TWEEDEN: It does not surprise me. But it is troubling that he has to go through this transition of himself in the public eye.

PINSKY: All right. Well, we got to move on real quick. Maybe we can talk about it a little more after the break. But, the fact is, if he -- he was

-- the reason I think this fascinates us in the public is that he was one of the most famous athletes in the world at one time.

BARNETT: Yes.

PINSKY: He was sort of the epitome of -- should we call it masculinity or some sort of maleness. And, now, he may be manifesting something quite

different. And, so we are fascinated by that, but should not be jumping on this man whether he is making a transition or not.

If it is a publicity stunt, Vanessa, I agree with you -- it is an object of reasonable disdain then. But, I do not think that is what this is. And,

if it is a transition, be careful, everybody. This is a very delicate period for this man`s life as Russell Brand has pointed out.

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(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

PINSKY: I am back with Sam, Vanessa and Leeann. And, we are getting our Click Fix with the stories that got us talking on social media and clicking

through. Leeann, what did you click on tonight?

TWEEDEN: Oh my gosh, Dr. Drew. So, on my screen I saw this picture of a video and I had to click on it. It was a crazy man that beat down a

neighbor`s door with a machete. And, the guy had to stop him by shooting him twice. Look at this video, Dr. Drew.

PINSKY: What happened? The guy is on the other side with a machete?

TWEEDEN: Right. He had been terrorizing this neighborhood -- this complex -- this compartment complex. And, you could hear him coming down the hall.

And, so, he locks his door --

PINSKY: Oh, my God. Look at that.

TWEEDEN: Yes. I mean, obviously, that is a very thin door. But, this guy is coming through. Watch the minute he walked in --

PINSKY: So, it is like a horror movie.

TWEEDEN: You even hear, there is audio where he is like, "Do not do it, I have a gun." And, he is trying to warn him, "Do not come through my door."

He shoots them twice. The guy survived, but he is going to spend five years in jail.

But, Dr. Drew, let me tell you this. The guy has a neuropsychologist, which I did not even know there were any of those out there. Supposedly,

he was in a car accident and he has a frontal lobe injury saying he did not know what he was doing. So, Drew, can you bring out the brain?

PINSKY: Done. Done and done. First of all, let me just say that -- it is a very common injury in head trauma. The way the skull -- I do not a

really have a skull to show you. It is configured -- There is sharp ridges right in here. \

So, when the skull moves forward, when brain moves forward and jarred in trauma, the sharp ridges cut right into the brain here and cause bilateral

often times frontal lobe injury in the region of orbital frontal system.

There is a very famous case of that had the similar injury on one side. When people have these injuries, they lose their normal ability to assess

social convention and to control impulses. They could become aggressive. They sometimes become addicts.

And, please play that video again. I mean this gives you a sense, never take a knife to a gunfight. Thank you. It is very sad that this guy had

this horrible injury. I mean he might not have been anything like that before his injury.

You know, one thing that is documented with these people that get these injuries is that it can be progressive and that violence can become more

pronounced. The bizarre behavior more pronounced and medication and therapies do not do that much.

TWEEDEN: And, Dr. Drew, he is lucky that he is not dead. Now, do you think that this might be a good thing for the guy? This is probably the

only thing that could stop him? Do you think now he will get the help that he needs?

PINSKY: No. As you said he had a neuropsychologist.

SCHACHER: He should go to jail.

PINSKY: By the way, you met many neuropsychologist, Leeann. We have had them on the show.

TWEEDEN: We do not call them neuropsychologists.

PINSKY: But he sounds like he was getting help. But, they might have to institutionalize him. They might have to use stronger medication, that

sort of thing.

BARNETT: But was he off his meds? Like how did they get to that point.

TWEEDEN: Yes. Exactly.

BARNETT: I screamed. I watched that video and screamed. It looked like "Friday the 13th" and Jason is out to get you like that was terrifying. If

the meds are not working, if the neuropsychologist is not getting it done, is there really anything else that could happen for him?

PINSKY: There are -- you know I am not an expert in that area. But, there are lots of treatments being tried. It is a relatively common phenomenon.

I mean people have to be aware that head trauma is a significant contributor to all sorts of neuropsychiatric processes.

You know, a major head trauma I am talking about where ridges break into the frontal lobe of the brain. Obviously, it has a profound effect. But,

there can be more subtle affects that people experience life-long problems with various syndromes, even after sometimes relatively minor head trauma.

It is one of the reasons I am sort of disturbed by the way cartoons and you know, common comedies have people getting whacked on the head and just

shaking it off afterwards. It is not the way people -- people can be changed the rest of their life.

TWEEDEN: And, Dr. Drew, think about this guy. I think he was lucky that he kind of had been prepared. I guess this guy had been terrorizing this

apartment complex for a while. So, people were sort of aware that he was there that he was doing that.

You could hear him coming down, attacking his neighbor`s door. So, he had time to set up the video because I think he wanted to have that -- you know

have it on video and have the evidence.

PINSKY: Wow.

TWEEDEN: But, what if he did not have a gun? What if that guy was dead and the video was showing him being chopped up by a man with a machete?

SCHACHER: Oh my gosh.

TWEEDEN: Can you imagine that?

PINSKY: Listen, our friends that are pro guns would be strongly in favor of the firearm that this man had. Sam, you want to say something?

SCHACHER: Yes. He had every right to protect himself. Oh, my God. It looks like -- it reminds me of "The Shine." But, the Dr. Drew, here is the

thing, the doctor said -- the neuropsychologist said that his patient was in a heightened state of fight or flight. Because he had PTSD from the

injury in his frontal lobe. So, then, why would he have to go to jail for five years if he was not in the right frame of mind?

PINSKY: Well, this goes to a very much more complicated issue. You know, where do you delineate where somebody is responsible and where there is a

brain issue. And, I am with you, Vanessa.

TWEEDEN: He needs help.

PINSKY: Go ahead.

BARNETT: I feel like if you know you have an issue and you are not doing what you need to protect --

PINSKY: That is right. Even if it is living in a structured environment. Thank you, guys. Please remind you that you can DVR us and watch us any

time. "FORENSIC FILES" is following this program. However, before we go, I would like to show you on his birthday a brief tribute to Dr. Martin

Luther King. Good night.

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