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Plane Crashes into River in Taiwan; U.S. Search and Rescue Moved to Iraq; UAE Suspends Participation in Coalition; Complaints Filed Against Doctors Opposing Vaccination Schedule; Odin Lloyd's Mother in Court; Passenger of Metro-North Train Shares his Experience
Aired February 4, 2015 - 20:00 ET
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ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: Good evening, thanks for joining us. There's a lot happening tonight. We're live for the next two hours.
On the crashing plane that came within a few seconds and a few hundred feet of hitting the city neighborhood.
On the fiery New York area train wrecks, stories of survival there. Question about the evacuation and signs that the deadliest train wreck in the railroad history could have been even worse.
Also tonight, how the fight against ISIS may change and grow after the murder of a Jordanian captain.
We begin with the loss of another airliner and with the loss of at least 31 lives. Now unlike most such crashes, though the crash of TransAsia Airways flight 235 shortly after takeoff from Taipei, Taiwan, unfolded right in the middle of the crowded city, it was captured all on video.
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COOPER: Right across a major highway, the French Italian made ATR 72, you can see it nearly hitting a crowded apartment block as it comes there from the left-hand side of your screen gliding, the plane banks, clips the bridge and goes into the river.
Now part of the wing hit this car on the bridge. The driver amazingly survived the encounter and so did a lot of people who likely would have perished if the twin engine turbo prop had not found the water.
Thirty-one people are known to have died at this point and number remained missing. However, rescuers pulled 15 survivors from the river itself. They also recovered the plane's flight data and cockpit voice recorders and each may have a lot to tell.
A traffic control got a call from the plane shortly before the crash. Some of the final words from the GE 235, "may day, may day, engine flameout."
And because we already have that and the video evidence to work with, we wanted to get some expert advice on exactly what happened. A short time ago, I walked through it all with Aviation Correspondent Richard Quest and CNN Safety Analyst and Crash Investigator David Soucie. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
COOPER: All right. Let's take a look here on the magic wall. Just walk us through the video of what exactly we're seeing.
RICHARD QUEST, AVIATION CORRESPONDENT: Right. So there's two shot (INAUDIBLE) angles at the moment starting with the close-up. And here, you basically see the aircraft coming over head and the dramatic turn if you liked and crashing into the bridge. But if you look at it from a slightly different angle, if you take this particular picture and you see something quite different. Well, you see something in a different angle because here you see the plane, if it comes straight in and you see the plane and at that point is, it's pretty straight and on a downward trajectory, but it still is moving with the wings both level. It's at this point that the left wing appears to stall and stall very badly and dramatically when there's very little height to the ground and that, of course, is there.
Now, someone suggests, was the pilot trying to avoid these buildings? I think if you look quite clearly, this is not the case. It's an aircraft, it's an extremist. It is going straight down, the wing has stalled and it goes straight into the water.
COOPER: And David Soucie, obviously, it's too early to be sure but from the videos, the turn towards the river, you think that was intentional?
DAVID SOUCIE, CNN SAFETY ANALYST: You know, I think Richard, I've flown out at Taipei, I'm sure you have as well. And you know that there's only apartments there and they kind a follow the river out to protect from noise pollution over the apartments. So you follow the river just a little bit and you can see there too that, as it clears, those apartments and may be a little bit of an optical illusion as it comes over the apartments. But I believe that he was trying to make that left turn.
But I think importantly too if you look about at that point in the video, that you can see that that left prop, I don't think it's feathered. It looks as though it might be feathered. But I don't think it is. But it looks to me it isn't.
COOPER: When you say feathered, what does that mean?
SOUCIE: That means that the propellers is supposed to automatically when that engine stops producing thrust, the propellers is supposed to automatically go from an angle like this to straight on right with the air flow that allows no resistance, no wind resistance. However, if the auto-feathers switch, which is the last you do before you take off, if that hasn't been turned to the on position, then the engine fails and you basically have a 12 foot in diameter piece of wood out there, it's just preventing the left wing from flying. And I think that that might give us a clue there. I'm anxious to see what the black boxes will tell us because that information is in the black box.
COOPER: But Richard, I mean, if a plane loses one engine, it should still be able to fly, should it? QUEST: Right, absolutely. And this is the conundrum -- this is the
conundrum with this one.
QUEST: Because we the plane took off and got about 1300 feet, it's about five miles from the airfield. And we get this mayday call, mayday, engine flameout. Now, at that point, remember, this is something pilots practice more than anything else, losing an engine on takeoff. It is the single most practiced thing.
But then watch again the video here. This is what David Soucie is talking about. The plane makes this approach. He's clearly gliding at this point losing altitude. And this turn, was it deliberate or was it the result of aerodynamic forces? Was this propeller giving any form of lift or was it now, as David Soucie just said, was it that big block that was basically killing the lift from the wing at that time?
COOPER: And David, I mean, to Richard's point, what kind of training do pilots go through in terms of learning how to deal with a situation where a plane loses an engine?
SOUCIE: It's very rigorous. In fact, there's been several accidents that I've looked at when they are practicing the engine off and the pilot didn't realize which engine. Remember, these aircrafts, the engines although they're on the wings, they have a center line of thrust. So you lose one engine as long as it's properly feathers then it's still going to be driving forward. Just straight ahead forward, so they -- the pilot really has a hard time sometimes in these modern aircraft determining which engine failed. So the process is to pull back the throttle on the engine that's failed.
I've done two accidents now in which there were practicing these things, they pulled back the power on the wrong engine and caused the aircraft, of course, there are no passengers on board, thankfully.
COOPER: It's just -- I mean, it's unbelievable to see this.
QUEST: Yes. I supposed that the final -- towards say that this is how every aircraft comes out of the sky then accidents. The extraordinary part about it is that we're seeing it in real-time. But never forget what you're looking at there, of course, is the death.
COOPER: Tremendous loss of human life.
Richard Quest, appreciate you being with us, David Soucie as well. Thank you.
One of the survivors of the crash was a little boy. And according to Taiwan official news agency, a toddler and his parents survived the crash. Their rescue captured on video there at the scene. Their incredible story is coming up later tonight on the program.
We also have breaking news now out of the Pentagon, possible reaction to the murder of the Jordanian fighter pilot by ISIS. A U.S. official telling CNN's Barbara Starr that the military is moved some search and rescue personnel into northern Iraq. And this comes after news that the United Arab Emirates, the UAE, suspended participation coalition strikes out of concern that search and rescue teams were not close enough to rescue down pilots.
In the meantime, in Jordan, more reaction to and retaliation for the ISIS murder of the captive pilot. Jomana Karadsheh is in Amman for us tonight.
Jomana, what's the latest there, you're hearing about what Jordanian officials intend to do in terms of airstrikes in the coming hours?
JOMANA KARADSHEH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: What we're hearing from officials, Anderson, is that the Jordanians want to increase the number of airstrikes they carry out as part of their coalition missions. Now the number of these airstrikes is going to depend on a number of factors, including weather and where these targets are. We have heard a consistent message from the Jordanians, reiterated today by King Abdullah. They say they're going to respond and the retaliation is going to be severe and harsh.
And this is something many people want to see here. Not everyone in this country, Anderson, backed the government's decision in the king's decision to join that coalition against ISIS, but we were out today here in Amman speaking to people and they do seem to -- we're seeing more people rallying around the king, around the government, and they want to see more military action now against ISIS.
COOPER: And the executions of the two jihadists today in Jordan, including that female suicide bomber who ISIS has demanded Jordan release, what's then the reaction to those executions?
KARADSHEH: Anderson, about 24 hours ago, we were talking about the calls that we were hearing on the streets of Jordan with people wanting to see revenge. And this morning, people in this country woke up to news that they were hoping to hear many saying they welcomed the news of these executions. They were relieved to see this. There were calls for more executions, people saying that there are more ISIS- linked prisoners in Jordanian jails and they want to see them also executed. Of course, Jordan does have a big number of Jihadists who are in prison, not clear how many are on death row. How many are sentenced to death for terrorism charges.
We also heard, Anderson, from the father of the Jordanian pilot saying -- he said these two executed convicted terrorists were criminals and they do not compare to his son. And he said that the revenge for the death of his son should be greater than the execution of prisoners.
COOPER: Has the security situation in Amman changed the security profile?
KARADSHEH: So far, we're not seeing any change but over the past year really, Anderson, as you recall, when we saw that ISIS advance that was taking place in neighboring Iraq, Jordan did increase security around the country. There has been of concern of what this might mean for Jordan. The last time a terrorist organization gained ground in a neighboring country, in Iraq, for example, back in 2005, Jordan was targeted by Al-Qaeda in Iraq at the time with the worst terrorist attack in recent memory for this country.
So there is always this concern. But many years Anderson, said they have, they trust the security service. Jordan is known for its strong intelligence but it's always a concern. But this country seen as a great enemy of -- for extremist groups.
COOPER: Yes. Jomana Karadsheh, appreciate your reporting. Thank you.
More on the breaking news. Next with more U.S. assets moving into fight ISIS, a lot of questions about, whether it's a battle that can be won militarily at all, have the months of coalition airstrikes done, anything really to degrade the ISIS groups capabilities? We'll take a closer look at that.
And take a look, remember this guy?
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DR. JACK WOLFSON, WOLFSON INTEGRATIVE CARDIOLOGY: It's a very unfortunate thing that people die but unfortunately people die and I'm not going to put my child at risk to save another child.
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COOPER: It's a doctor. Dr. Jack Wilson not shy about looking out for what -- his child, I should say, and falsely spreading fears about measles vaccinations. Our Kyung Lah tracked him down today to ask him some more questions, and learned the State of Arizona Medical Board has a few questions for the doctor as well.
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KYUNG LAH, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Hi, good morning.
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COOPER: There's more breaking news tonight in the fight against ISIS. The United States military has moved some search and rescue assets into northern Iraq according to a U.S. official. The moved is being described as part of a constant rebalancing of assets, but it comes after news that UAE have suspended participation in coalition strikes at a concern that search and rescue assets were not placed close enough to ensure timely effort to rescue. Acclaimed it was disputed by the way by U.S. military officials.
So U.S. hardware is shuffling and it's an understatement to say expectations are high. The conflict is on the verge of an escalation, but would more bombing actually accomplish anything? We've got a bit of an idea based on how the last six months have gone.
Barbara Starr has that. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
BARBARA STARR, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): In the ISIS stronghold of Ar-Raqqa, Syria, cheering as a video of the pilot's execution was shown on big screens. No one knows if people were forced to come here. Either way, it's the latest demonstration of ISIS' power.
Republican Senator John McCain, a long time opponent of President Obama's war strategy, again raising doubt. Can airstrikes really defeat ISIS?
SEN. JOHN MCCAIN (R), ARIZONA: We are not winning, and that is the opinion of outside military experts, literally every one of them I know.
COL. CEDRIC LEIGHTON (RET.), FORMER AIR FORCE INTELLIGENCE OFFICER: ISIS still controls a large amount of territory. It is not been rolled back by the air campaign. It is not been rolled back by any of the other actions.
STARR: Outgoing Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel himself warning, ISIS won't be defeated at the point of a gun.
CHUCK HAGEL, OUTGOING DEFENSE SECRETARY: There's a perception that it is the military's responsibility to fix the problem. Problems are not fixed by militaries.
STARR: But Jordan's King Abdullah right now under pressure.
As people march across Jordan, Jordanian troops lining up to pay their respects to the pilot's family. Jordan is increasing its airstrike participation, but it may not be easy.
LEIGHTON: They will have a difficult time doing that on their own. They need a bit of help when it comes to planning a modern campaign against moving targets like this.
STARR: U.S. intelligence estimates that ISIS has a total force of somewhere between 9,000 to 18,000 fighters and with a continuing influx of foreign fighters; their numbers do not seem to be drastically decreasing.
U.S. officials insist no change in military strategy is being contemplated. But had this confirmation hearing to become the next Secretary of Defense, Ash Carter suggested, time could be running out.
ASHTON CARTER, DEFENSE SECRETARY NOMINEE: It's important to get that territory back soon because you don't want them to settle in and you don't want the population to settle in to having ISIL rule them in their barbaric way.
STARR: Given the current pace of military activity, the U.S. has now moved some additional search and rescue assets, aircraft into northern Iraq to be ready to rescue a down pilot from any of the coalition member countries if it comes to that. But U.S. officials say this move is because there is a need for these assets, these aircraft in the region and that it has nothing to do with the United Arab Emirates pulling out of airstrikes over concern that there was not enough capability to rescue one of its pilots, if it came to that.
Barbara Starr, CNN, the Pentagon.
COOPER: All right.
Joining me now, Retired Lieutenant General Mark Hertling, former commander of U.S. Forces in Iraq, also CNN national security analyst and the former CIA officer, Bob Baer.
General, first of all, in terms of Jordan ratcheting up their airstrikes, what kind of military assets do they actually have, how much damage can they really do?
LT. GEN. MARK HERTLING, (RET.) U.S. ARMY: They have quite a bit, Anderson. In fact, they've got a very good air force. They're training with our air force continuously. They have capabilities in different types of aircraft. But I think what you're going to see is an increasing contribution of more strike aircraft, F-16s to the coalition force and as part of the air tasking order as Barbara mentioned earlier.
COOPER: Is there a, General, scarcity of target though, I mean, how ripe is the target feel?
HERTLING: Well, I heard your air force intelligence officer say something a minute ago about Jordan's capability in striking those targets and what I know because I fought with Jordanian air force before; they are just as confident as U.S. pilots. They can hit moving targets, armored vehicles, they can hit stationary targets. But we actually allocate the types of targets and the type of aircraft with the capabilities of the coalition. So that's all part of the air tasking order too.
So I discount some of the things that were said about Jordan not being able to strike targets as well as other countries. But I think in combination with Jordanian intelligence, especially their ability to get inside of some of the tribal bases and get more intelligence, a lot of human intelligence in Syria which we have not been able to get as much as we've had in Iraq will contribute significantly as well as their special operations forces which are first rate.
COOPER: You know, Bobby, you said last night on the program that you hope Jordanians would not execute the female suicide bomber right away. She's been on death row for quite a while, that it could be her (INAUDIBLE) to just kind of a revenge. Do you expect any impact from that execution?
ROBERT BAER, CNN NATIONAL SECURITY ANALYST: Anderson, well, I think what we have to realize is that the king was under an enormous amount of pressure from the top tribes and they have a custom of taking revenge and I think they probably pushed him to do this. He's probably reluctant but he does have to listen to the tribes. They control his military and about half of the population.
I think what the Jordanians are scared about now is revenge attacks in Amman or other Jordanian cities, suicide bombings there. You can stop most of them but just a few to get through like the hotel attacks in 2005. So I think Jordan is really under threat right now and I wouldn't be surprised if something occurs.
COOPER: And certainly, the end of the horrific video that ISIS released that -- I mean they showed photographs of other Jordanian pilots, they showed addresses, the bases that allegedly some of the pilots are at. So clearly not that they need a new motivation but clearly, they are motivated to target Jordan and the leadership there and the military there, probably the civilians as well.
General, what about other Arab nations getting involved against ISIS? I mean, there's the issue with UAE suspending airstrikes back in December. Do you see a greater willingness in the wake of this -- this latest atrocity?
HERTLING: I think we'll continue to see a continued willingness just like Jordan has upped the ante a little bit. I think as the various Arab nations see the true threat to the Arab to the entire region that ISIS is presenting. There will be more and more that contribute.
But Anderson, as just any government has to understand, they have to go with the desires of their population. Jordan was one over and galvanized because of this attack or execution of their pilot. Some of the other Arab nations that aren't quite contributing yet need to feel a little bit more pain and I think they eventually will contribute. The UAE is an anomaly right now. That's a back and forth relationship, but they are continuing to support U.S. air forces is flying out of the UAE.
COOPER: Bobby, you know, we heard in that piece, John McCain saying, you know, all the people his stop and said, ISIS really hasn't been depleted. I'm talking to Alice Stephen (ph) formerly with the FBI in the next hour on the program. And he said he actually sees evidence that they have been damaged, obviously, at the lost of Kobani, who they lost a large a number of fighters, he believes there. And that other groups like al-Nusra are actually picking up more fighters, more foreign fighters than ISIS is.
BAER: Anderson, I think what we've seen over the last couple months since the bombing campaign started is, you know, the blunting of the ISIS attack into non-Sunni areas like Kobani's Kurdish. And I think that it worked quite well, cut off the supply lines.
But in order to defeat them, you're going to need a, you know, close air support. You're going to need helicopters in there. And probably at least tier one American soldiers to really focus this attack. And this is what I'm hearing from people on the front lines is, yes, we've stopped them but we really do need, you know, Americans support to turn this back and retake Mosul and defeat it once and for all. I just don't think from 50,000 or 60,000 feet dropping bombs is going to win this war.
COOPER: Bob Baer, appreciate you being on. General Hertling, also good to have you. Thank you.
Up next, a doctor, who's very vocal about why kids should not be vaccinated, he's now under investigation by a state medical board. See what happened when our Kyung Lah tried to get reaction.
Also ahead, a packed commuter train slams into an SUV. Tonight, new information about what happened and what it was like for people trapped inside the train.
COOPER: The current battle over a child who vaccinations, you tend to your lay people, may humors simply parents trying to do the right thing, voicing doubts about vaccines safety.
On the other side, you tend to find doctors and researchers who now have a massive body of evidence that the shots and the number and the timing of the shot, all of it are safe for kinds. That's said, they are some skeptics who also happened to be physicians.
And you might have heard that one of them if you're regular viewer of this program. His name is Dr. Jack Wolfson, he's the Phoenix area cardiologist, who doesn't vaccinate his kids. And he said things about it that won't trouble and frankly, outranged a lot of our viewers.
He's under investigation primary now by one state medical board. Kyung Lah, reports.
LAH: As we wait outside the office of Dr. Jack Wolfson, it's not the doctor, but police who show up.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE POLICE: Somebody calls and there's a suspicious vehicle. Obviously got something going on.
LAH: We're here to talk to Dr. Wolfson, who's ignored an e-mail requests and multiple phone calls. It's a sudden about face. He isn't interested in talking anymore.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE POLICE: This is public property. Nobody asked to leave. I'm not being told to ask you to leave. So you're welcome to be here. Thank you.
LAH: Seconds later, we follow the officer.
Hi, good morning Doctor.
Over to Dr. Wolfson whose office had apparently called the police.
Can we just talk about the investigation?
WOLFSON: I've no further comment. I'm sorry. Thank you.
(CROSSTALK) LAH: That has opened by the Arizona Medical Board, State Medical Board.
Are you changing your opinion about vaccination, sir?
He won't answer, a very different Dr. Wolfson from last week, who as a cardiologist, spoke to CNN's Elizabeth Cohen about why people should not vaccinate.
ELIZABETH COHEN, CNN SENIOR MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Could you live with yourself if your child got another child sick? I mean, really sick? Had complications, even death?
WOLFSON: I could live with myself very easily. It's a very unfortunate thing that people die but unfortunately people die and I'm not going to put my child at risk to save another child. I'm not going to sacrifice the well being of my child. My child is pure.
LAH: Dr. Wolfson followed that with numerous interviews with local television stations and national newspapers.
Are you changing your opinion about vaccination, sir?
So why doesn't he want to talk anymore? Could it be that he's read the decades of scientific studies showing his position is wrong? Probably not.
Is there an investigation going on?
JENNA JONES, ARIZONA BOARD OF THE OSTEOPATHIC EXAMINERS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR: Yes, there is.
LAH: Jenna Jones is the executive director with the Arizona Board of the Osteopathic Examiners. The state agency that regulates those doctors.
JONES: We open a complaint, file, we investigate it and then we bring it before the board for resolution. However, cases are confidential.
LAH: But we do know two complaints filed with the state board come on the heels of Dr. Wolfson's vocal anti--vaccine interviews, and calls by other doctors saying amid this measles outbreak, anti-vaccine doctors are a public health threat.
DR. PETER LIPSON, INTERNIST: I would like to see them - their licenses for practice.
LAH: Doctor Peter Lipson is a practicing internist and a contributor to Forbes.com who urged in a column for state medical boards to investigate and pull the license of the physicians like Dr. Wolfson and two other prominent doctors who support a modified vaccine schedule. California's Dr. Jay Gordon and Dr. Bob Sears.
LIPSON: They're doing active harm. As physicians, we're supposed to first do no harm. These doctors are creating harm, they are promoting the spread of infectious diseases which we should have wiped out by now. This is not only bad behavior, it's dangerous behavior.
LAH: Doctors Gordon and Sears both declined to speak to CNN on camera for this story. But publicly continue to say vaccines are a parent's choice, not a matter of public health. Back at Dr. Wolfson's office, the parking lot is full. His office tells us the schedule is packed with patients searching for their doctor's wise medical advice.
COOPER: Kyung Lah joins us now. How serious is this investigation? What could be the impact of it?
LAH: Well, the ultimate impact, if it does come to this point, is that he could potentially lose his license, but we should add that that that is very rare. From the state of Arizona, we've got these figures. Out of the 264 complaints that were filed in the last fiscal year, only 11 resulted in serious disciplinary action, but the state immediately follows up with that saying that these investigations are very serious and they thoroughly, Anderson, investigate every single complaint.
COOPER: I don't get, though. I mean he's a cardiologist, he's not a pediatrician. So, it's not as if, I mean just because it's his opinion about what - how he wants to deal with his kids doesn't mean he's influencing, you know, other patients refusing to give vaccinations to children. Because that's not his job.
LAH: You're in line - yeah, you're in line with a lot of other doctors out there. A lot of doctors are wondering why a cardiologist would talk about vaccines. If you look at his home page for his office, he does describe himself as a natural cardiologist, trying to treat the cause, not the symptoms. So it's a bit in line with orthopedic doctors, osteopath doctors, basically saying that they are trying to look at the patient holistically. That's very much in line. The difference is, if you look at his Facebook page, and what he's saying publicly, it's very much about vaccines, about childhood vaccines, as doctor say, he should just not be talking about that. It is outside of his specialty.
COOPER: All right. Kyung Lah, we'll see what's happening. Thanks very much. There's a lot more happening tonight. Amara Walker has a "360 Bulletin." Amara.
AMARA WALKER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Anderson, a lawyer for Bobbi Brown says they are investigating the events that led to Bobbi Kristina Brown's hospitalization. The 21-year old daughter of Brown and the late Whitney Houston remains on life-support after being found unresponsive in a full bathtub over the weekend.
Former cycling champion Lance Armstrong is facing two misdemeanor charges for hitting two parked vehicles while driving home from a party in Aspen, Colorado. His girlfriend, Anna Hanson, first told police she was behind the wheel, well, now she's admitted she lied. Armstrong has a court date next month. And the coast guard crew rescued a dog from an icy Michigan lake after the lab jumps in and fell through the ice. Lucky for her that the coast guard station is nearby. The pooch is fine and she has been reunited with her owner.
COOPER: Wow, wow, that's amazing they rescued her. Thank you very much, Amara.
Dramatic emotional moments in court today. Day four of the Aaron Hernandez murder trial. Former New England Patriots star is accused, obviously, of murdering Odin Lloyd in 2013. Well, today Lloyd's mother took the stand as did the woman he was dating at the time of his death. Our Susan Candiotti reports.
SUSAN CANDIOTTI, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Remembering a painful day, Shaneah Jenkins watches herself on security camera video visiting the home of then New England Patriot tight end Aaron Hernandez. Jenkins is hugging Hernandez's fiancee, older sister Shayanna after learning boyfriend Odin Lloyd has just been shot dead less than a mile away from the Hernandez home. Shaneah testifies Hernandez is also in the house that day.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did he seem very shaken up?
SHANEAH JENKINS: He seemed stressed.
CANDIOTTI: Nine days later, Hernandez is arrested for Lloyd's murder. The murder weapon is still missing. Prosecutors show jurors home surveillance photos of Hernandez's fiancee holding something in her hands.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This item then she is holding, you know what that is?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The black trash bag?
CANDIOTTI: Authorities suspect Hernandez's fiancee sitting behind him in court uses the trash bag to hide the missing murder weapon inside a box and throwing it away after getting a coded message from Hernandez. His defense team questions Jenkins and how much time her boyfriend Lloyd spent with Hernandez. Jenkins telling jurors it was mainly during visits with her older sister. Hernandez once treating them to a sky box for a Patriots preseason home game. Lloyd on the far right of this group shot with Hernandez and his brother on their way to a nightclub. A powerful moment coming when prosecutors ask Odin Lloyd's mother to identify a photo of her dead son at a hearing without the jury present.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) and your son's body.
URSULA WARD: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And the part of the body that's shown is just his head, is that true?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The judge warning Lloyd's mother to control her emotions on the stand.
SUSAN GARSH, HERNANDEZ TRIAL JUDGE: It's very important that you manage during this time you are testifying to retain control of your emotions and not to cry while you are looking at any photo that may be shown to you, do you understand that?
WARD: Yes, ma'am.
CANDIOTTI: When the jury is finally brought in again, she keeps her emotions in check. The jury not allowed to see the autopsy photos until they deliberate. With Hernandez watching intently, Ward said she knew many of her son's friends but not Hernandez.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Have you ever met him before?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Had he ever come to your home?
CANDIOTTI: But she clearly remembers seeing her son on Father's Day 2013.
WARD: I just saw his beautiful pink - smiling coming across the street. It was ...
CANDIOTTI: It was the last time she'd see him alive hours before he was shot to death.
COOPER: Susan Candiotti joins me now from Fall River, Massachusetts. I understand the jury is going to be taking a field trip this week. What are they doing?
CANDIOTTI: Yes, Anderson, they're going on a bus tour, a guided bus tour and the first stop they're going to make is Odin Lloyd's home in the Boston area and then they'll take a 40 minute drive from there to the crime scene which is that industrial park and it's a short distance from Aaron Hernandez's home. Prosecutors plan to show them a cell phone tower where they allege they pick up a ping from Aaron Hernandez' cell phone that puts him at that crime scene and finally, the defense got them a tour of Aaron Hernandez's home. They're going to be going there and they'll be able to see the home security system, but also this. All the trophies he has on display. Anderson
COOPER: Susan Candiotti, thanks.
Up next, new details about the deadly train versus SUV crash here in New York, we talk to a survivor about what it was like on board in the moments after the impact. Also ahead, what we've learned about the toddler who survived that deadly plane crash in Taiwan.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK) COOPER: Welcome back. In the day light, the sheer violence of last night's deadly commuter train crash outside New York was unmistakable, the wreckage. The northbound express train hit a car on the tracks, killing six people and injuring 15 others. Eight people are still hospitalized, one in critical condition. Today, workers remove the wreckage of the SUV that was hit. Investigators are not sure why it stopped on the tracks as the train was approaching. Just one mystery in what is likely to be a lengthy investigation. Tonight, there are also questions about the guidance that trapped passengers got in the moments after the crash as fire began to engulf the first car. Rene Marsh has the latest.
RENE MARSH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Smoke and flames poured out of a packed Metro North train after the rail lines deadliest crash yet. Five people dead in the blazing inferno.
ROB ASTORINO, WESTCHESTER COUNTY EXECUTIVE: The bodies are all from the front car because the bodies are all very badly burned and unidentifiable.
MARSH: At least 15 injured after the commuter train slammed into a Mercedes SUV stuck on the tracks. It was crushed and tossed 1,000 feet. The driver was the sixth fatality.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The train went silent. You could tell there was panic going on towards the front of the train. Like walk back, walk back, walk back.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Go away!
MARSH: New video from inside the train shows how packed it was. More than 600 people were on board. The electrified third rail ran through the train, smoke filled the cars and the temperature rose.
MARC WAITS, PASSENGER: There was a passenger that ran past me. He had blood on his face and people were pulling the windows off, trying to get out through the emergency windows.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The first car got on fire, then the second one, but we were able to get off in time, but it was scary.
MARSH: The NTSB is now getting its first look at the crash site. You can see investigators there surrounding that first burnt out car of the train. The first step in this process is documenting all of the wreckage.
Investigators have the train's event recorders which will tell how fast the train was traveling and when brakes were applied. They're also examining the rail crossing signals.
ROBERT SUMWALT, BOARD MEMBER, NTSB SAFETY BOARD: We know that we want to send somebody to look at the signals. The rail traffic signals, the highway signals, as well as the crossing arms and each of those devices has a recorder on it. Those recorders have already been secured.
MARSH: The hundreds of passengers self-evacuated. Some say they were on their own without instructions.
(on camera): Any indication at this point whether this process of getting passengers off the train happened fast enough, have you had a chance to speak to passengers?
SUMWALT: In this press briefing, I'm going to discuss the NTSB's investigative processes because we have not confirmed any of that at this point. We will by the time we've completed this investigation, we will know everything that we need to know.
MARSH: This is not the first time there's been death on Metro North's tracks. December 2013, a Metro North derailment killed four passengers in the Bronx after the train's engineer fell asleep.
COOPER: And Rene joins me now. Any idea now that they have the recorders how soon we can expect to get a readout?
MARSH: Well, Anderson, it could be as soon as tomorrow. We know that one of the train's recorders arrived in Washington, D.C. And so the download process is already under way. So by tomorrow, we could know details like how fast this train was going as well as when brakes were applied. We also know that investigators hope as soon as tomorrow to start speaking to the crew on board this train as well.
COOPER: And was he indicating that there were recorders attached to the traffic signal, the railroad crossing on them?
MARSH: Right, so they also have recorders attached to all those signals and we know that investigators are analyzing those recorders as well, looking for any irregularities, any sign that perhaps the signals may have malfunctioned. The NTSB was asked specifically today any indications at this point that there was some malfunctions having to do with the crossing signal and they say, not at this point, but of course, it's very early in this stage of the investigation, Anderson.
COOPER: Yeah, Rene Marsh, I appreciate the reporting. Thank you very much.
Justin Kaback was one of the hundreds of passengers on board the packed rush hour train. He was on his way home riding the third car. And at first, he like many other riders had no idea what happened. He joins us tonight.
First of all, I'm so glad you're doing OK. Just take us through what happened. When did you realize something was gone wrong?
JUSTIN KABACK, SURVIVED METRO-NORTH TRAIN ACCIDENT: I appreciate that, Anderson. Basically, as I said earlier, I was kind of riding the train home, I was kind of in my own zone not really paying attention when all of the sudden, the train came to a complete stop. I think maybe because I was actually in the third car, not the first car, I really didn't feel the impact of the vehicle. The trains can be fairly bumpy to begin with. But that's right when it stopped, I think I realized something was wrong, because the engine cut off, the air cut off. It went silent. Everything was off except the lights. And that's when everybody was kind of like, what's going on?
COOPER: So, what happened then? Did anybody ever make an announcement?
KABACK: So, immediately after, maybe 30 seconds, a minute goes by and the door is open from the front car and it was the passenger that said it smells like gas in the front. We've got to move to the back. I don't know if he got orders from a conductor or if he smelled that and that was his reaction, but I immediately grabbed my belongings and started heading towards the back with the gentleman that came from, I believe the second car.
COOPER: It was a pretty crowded train?
KABACK: It was a very crowded train.
COOPER: When did you actually learn what had happened?
KABACK: So, as we started moving to the next couple of cars, eventually that's when the conductor came on the loud speaker and actually said something. He said that we - that train struck a car that was on the track. He gave us no other information. He didn't say if there was a fire. He didn't say to remain seated or if we should, you know, prep to evacuate. He just said that we struck a car.
COOPER: Didn't say get up, move to the back? Just ...
KABACK: Nothing, nothing.
COOPER: And at that point, I assume you continued to move?
KABACK: Correct. So, I think I kind of stayed put for maybe a minute or two. And then more people started moving in to the cars. The car that I was in, so naturally we just kind of kept pushing our way to the back. I think I maybe went another car length and that's when everybody was just squeezed into this one car that I was in.
COOPER: So, how did you finally get out of the train?
KABACK: I guess the first couple of cars were evacuating before the car I was in got word that there was a fire, so people were already jumping out, walking their way to the back of the train when somebody outside, a passenger outside yelled in saying the train is on fire. So that's the first time, and I think only a small group of people that were around me in this door at the time. Only a small group of people heard that.
COOPER: So, how did you get out?
KABACK: Eventually, the door that was towards the front of the car, the passengers broke open the glass to pull the handle to get that door to open up and that's when people slowly started to go out of the train.
COOPER: Really, it was up to passengers to make the decision to break the glass.
KABACK: Nobody gave us any information, if we should stay in the train or if we should evacuate. We kind of ...
COOPER: And then when you got out, did you see what had happened, by that time?
KABACK: Immediately after once I got onto the snow, I turned around and you could see the front of the train on fire, the smoke going up. At this time, it was, I think, a very small fire. Maybe just the actual front of the train.
COOPER: What you actually saw - I mean saw it in real life and also saw then I guess later on, the images on television and maybe the paper, did it, I mean, did it, does it seem real to you?
KABACK: It didn't really hit me, I think, until this morning. And even when I went home and saw that there's actually that many casualties, I think that's really when it hit me that I was very lucky to be able to walk out of there.
COOPER: I'm glad you're OK and the passengers you were with as well. Thank you so much for talking to us.
KABACK: Anytime, Anderson. It was a pleasure.
COOPER: Very lucky indeed.
COOPER: Up next, an incredible story of survival emerging from the wreckage of that deadly plane crash in Taiwan. What we learned about the little boy who made it out alive. His rescue is captured there on tape.
COOPER: We are going to be on all the way to 10:00 tonight. And we began this hour with the Taiwan plane crash and we end the hour with the story of survival from that crash. As we said at the top, the fact that this airliner ended up in the river, and not in the apartment building is perhaps the only saving grace in otherwise horrific incident. That fact as we've been saying allowed some of the passengers to live through it, including this little boy. The unlikely rescue from Pamela Brown.
PAMELA BROWN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Moments after this harrowing plane crash, rescuers race to the scene. This toddler somehow survived. He was pulled from the wreckage and placed into the arms of a rescuer in the boat.
DR. KRISTY ARBOGAST, CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL OF PHILADELPHIA: A child has several advantages in a crash environment. Their bones are more pliable, so they can withstand forces, higher forces without fracture.
BROWN: On land, rescuers are seen rushing other bloodied survivors on stretchers to the hospital.
UNIDENTIFIED MAN (through translator): These patients seem to have been hit by huge force from the outside. That suffered trauma from their heads to their legs and to their limbs and bodies.
BROWN: Amazingly, a taxi driver and passenger inside this mangled car hit by the plane also survived. The driver told the Taiwanese press he fainted when it happened.
One first responder who went inside the plane right after the crash told "The Taipei Times" many passengers were tangled up in their seatbelts and hung upside down. Aviation experts say surviving a plane crash like this depends on a number of factors including altitude, fire and better planes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Seats are supposed to have a greater G force resistance, the flammability standards are increased. Making a plane crash survivable has been something that our own NTSB has been very interested in for years.
COOPER: Pamela Brown joins us now. The little boy in the video, do we know, are his parents, any of the family, did they survive?
BROWN: Well, we are still waiting for confirmation on that, Anderson, but if you watch the video closely of this little boy, the man who is initially holding him right there, you see, he was just kissing him and holding him tightly, so you would think that perhaps that is a family member of the little boy, perhaps his father and we know that the Taiwan's official news agency is reporting that a 1-year-old toddler and his parents did survive that crash but it's unclear from that reporting if that is the parents of a little boy we see here on this video or another child who was pulled from the wreckage, Anderson.
COOPER: All right. It's just incredible, Pamela, thanks very much. Stick around, though. Coming up next, in the second hour of "360", I want to ask Pamela about a new ISIS video reportedly showing the widow of the Paris super market killer, the same woman captured on surveillance video at the airport when she was apparently fleeing to Syria.