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Shia Militias Determined To Retake Tikrit; Vladimir Putin Makes Surprise Confession About Crimea; Interview with Zoe Quinn; Leading Women: Rohana Rozhan; French Athletes Killed In Reality TV Helicopter Crash

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ANDREW STEVENS, HOST: I'm Andrew Stevens in Hong Kong. Welcome to News Stream where news and technology meet.

Vladimir Putin's big surprise: the Russian president reveals that he planned to take Crimea from Ukraine earlier than previously thought.

Three French athletes on a reality TV show are among those killed as two helicopters collide in Argentina.

And suffering from harassment on the internet: how one target of online hate mobs is helping others deal with abuse.

The Russian President Vladimir Putin has made a surprising revelation about the annexation of Crimea. Next week marks one year since the

controversial referendum in which nearly 97 percent of Crimean voters opted to leave Ukraine.

Well, the Kremlin has previously used that vote to defend the annexation. But in a recent interview, Mr. Putin said the decision was

actually made weeks earlier while planning the rescue of Ukraine's former president.

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VLADIMIR PUTIN, PRESIDENT OF RUSSIA (through translator): I called the leaders of the special services and the ministry of defense to the

Kremlin and I laid the task out before them to save the life of the president of Ukraine, otherwise they would have just destroyed him.

There were heavy machine guns there. In order not to have to talk a lot, we readied to take him straight out of the Donetsk by land, by sea and

by air. It was the night of the 22nd to the 23rd. We ended up about 7:00 in the morning.

And in parting I said to all colleagues, we have to start working on the return of Crimea to Russia.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

STEVENS: Well, Mr. Putin has faced international criticism for the annexation of Crimea, but it has helped boost his popularity at home.

Let's bring in Phil Black now. He is following the story. He joins us live from London.

The timing on this, first of all, Phil, why is this coming out now?

PHIL BLACK, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: As you touched on there, it is one year -- approaching the one year anniversary, the official

Russian annexation of Crimea. And these actions, and this year, has really seen tremendous change domestically for Russia, internationally Russia's

relations with the west, the sanctions that have been imposed upon Russia and the impact that that has had on the day-to-day lives of many Russians.

It's got much harder.

But Vladimir Putin has always been able to offset that politically, manage those day-to-day hardships and the potential frustrations that could

come from that by appealing to, making the most of the popularity, very much appealing to perhaps the patriotic, even the nationalistic instincts

of many Russians.

And for that reason, as you've discussed, his decisions, his actions in Crimea, Ukraine more broadly, have resulted in extraordinary population

-- sorry, popularity levels back home, Andrew.

STEVENS: And Phil, just to clarify, the real reason we know now it wasn't the referendum on Crimea, the real reason he went in was to look

after Yanukovych. Is that right?

BLACK: Well, apparently at this same meeting, according to this clip, which is just a tease of -- here's some comments that's made in an

interview for an upcoming documentary that is to screen on Russian television. He said the purpose of this meeting was to determine a way in

which to save Viktor Yanukovych who was the president of Ukraine at the time, the man who was effectively unseated in the course of a revolution

there.

And it was during this meeting that Putin also made these remarks about the need to begin planning to reclaim Crimea.

Now remember at the time in the wake of the referendum that was eventually held there and annexing Crimea, Vladimir Putin insisted that he

was simply respecting the democratically expressed wishes of the Crimean people and protecting them, he said, from some threat that he claimed was

posed by the new governing forces in the Ukrainian capital Kiev.

But these comments and others that he's made over the course of the year, very much I think more brazen comments, will no doubt prove I think

in the eyes of many a suspicion they held at the time and have continued to do so, and that is that Vladimir Putin, Russia was simply reclaiming a

piece of territory that he and Russia believed had rightfully belonged to Russia all along regardless of how the borders between Ukraine and Russia

were in fact drawn, Andrew.

STEVENS: Phil, thank you very much for that. Phil Black joining us live from London with some analysis there.

Vladimir Putin also making headlines for another reason. He's awarded the order of merit to Ramzan Kadyrov, the president of the Russian republic

of Chechnya. But just a day ago, the Chechen president defended one of the men arrested for killing the Kremlin critic Boris Nemtsov saying that he is

a Russian patriot.

Well, Mr. Putin's spokesman says the timing of the award and those comments are just a coincidence.

Well, French prosecutors have launched an investigation to find out why two helicopters collided in mid-air in Argentina, killing several

French nationals.

It happened near Villa Castelli, that is a town in the mountainous part of northern Argentina. 10 victims, and they included three French

sports stars. They were involved in filming a reality television show.

Well, French prosecutors have opened a manslaughter probe.

Let's go now with the latest to our senior international correspondent Jim Biterrmann. He joins us live from Paris.

First of all, Jim, were these three sportsman particularly household names in France? What sort of reactions have there been so far?

JIM BITTERMANN, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, they were pretty well known, Andrew. The fact is that one of the reasons they were

chosen for this program was the fact that they were well known. The idea behind the program was that they would take famous sports stars, drop them

off and really inhospitable places and then see how well they would do trying to survive. That's exactly why they were in this very desolate area

of Argentina when the crash occurred.

And there's been reaction from President Hollande on down. President Hollande said these were sports figures that made the country shine.

Out of this piece this morning, a kind of sadness and also a feeling of somewhat senselessness of this tragedy. Here's the kind of thing we

heard.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): It is a day of mourning for France. And sadly it goes along with the tragic events that occurred in

January. It is a sad time for us.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The people who are quite well known in France -- I mean, Camille Muffat, Alexis Vastine, which was really a good man, he was

boxing you know. And Florence Arthaud, of course. It's a pity. It's a sadness.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They are producing these stupid real live programs. What should we call them? And I don't see actually any sense in

it whatsoever. And taking chances like this in life, it's a little ridiculous.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

BITTERAMNN: Well, that idea that there might have been a little bit too much extremism in this extreme reality show maybe something that'll be

debated here over the coming days, Andrew.

STEVENS: And we know an investigation has already been launched, Jim. Any indication at this stage as to what may have happened, what caused that

collision?

BITTERMANN: It's pretty unclear. The weather was good at the time. The helicopters got up to about 300 feet when they collided. I suspect

that investigators are going to look at a number of factors. They'll probably be looking at, for example, the safety records of the helicopters,

the maintenance records, but also the pilots involved and they'll probably be looking at toxicology reports to see if there was any kind of indication

of drugs of alcohol, that kind of thing in the system.

But there's just a number of factors that could be involved.

But the weather was good. The skies were clear. So it probably should not have happened, Andrew.

STEVENS: Jim, thanks very much for that.

Jim Bittermann joining us live from Paris.

Now, the U.S. ambassador to South Korea who was slashed by a man with a knife has now been released from hospital.

Mark Lippert was attacked at a speaking engagement in Seoul. He suffered wounds on his arm and face. He had to get 80 stitches on those

facial wounds alone. He is now, as he says, recovering well.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MARK LIPPERT, U.S. AMBASSADOR TO SOUTH KOREA: You know, I feel pretty darn good, all things considered. I mean, it was obviously a scary

incident, but I'm walking, talking, holding my baby, you know, hugging my wife. So I'm -- I just feel really good. I got a little rehab left to do

on the arm. The face feels really good. But thanks to the great medical professionals I feel, like I said, pretty darn good.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

STEVENS: Mark Lippert actually tweeting out messages in Korean very soon after that attack.

Now the man who attacked Lippert said that he was protesting the military drills between South Korea and the United States.

Still ahead here on News Stream, Apple Watch hitting the shelves next month, but how does it actually work? CNN gets its hands on the new

gadget.

And we're also going to be talking to a videogame designer who was one of the first victims of gamergate. She speaks about her experience dealing

with severe cyber abuse. Stay with us.

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STEVENS: Welcome back.

Now at long last, Apple has answers about the Apple Watch. The company showing off its first new gadgets since the iPad. And that goes

back to 2010, would you believe.

And we know exactly how much it'll cost when it goes on sale and where to buy it.

Only one question left, really, is it worth getting?

Well, Karen Kafa has more on Apple's major step into the wearable market.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

KAREN KAFA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: After a sneak preview in the fall, Apple finally decided spring was time.

TIM COOK, CEO, APPLE: Apple Watch is the most personal device we have ever created.

KAFA: The tech giant unveiled the remaining details about the Apple Watch, the company's much anticipated foray into the emerging world of

wearables. The Apple Watch needs to be paired with an iPhone 5 or later. And the newest iOS 8.2 with the Apple Watch app.

The battery will last up to 18 hours. Users can make and receive calls, even open a garage or hotel room door with certain apps.

There's heavy emphasis on health and fitness tracking and a big focus on style as much as tech.

COOK: Since what you wear is an expression of who you are, we designed Apple Watch to appeal to a whole variety of people with different

tastes and different preferences.

KAFA: Prices start at $349 for a sport edition and increase from there depending on size, material and watch band. The highest end, made of

18 caret gold, starts at $10,000. It is Apple's first new device category to be unveiled since the death of Steve Jobs.

While other smart watches have failed to drum up much excitement, tech waters feel Apple's entry was a necessity.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, it's something they absolutely needed to do. I mean, this is a company that still needs to prove that there's some magic

left there. And especially Tim Cook, who is known more of an operations guy and not a product innovator.

KAFA: Preorders for the Apple Watch begin on April 10. They'll be available April 24.

Karen Kafa, CNN, Washington.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

STEVENS: And Apple's smart watch does come in three different models. And that means it's got a price range, a big price range at that. Starting

at the top, $17,000 it is one of Apple's most expensive products ever. At the other end, it's a $349 Apple Watch Sport. That's the cheapest Apple

has ever charged to the debut of a major product line.

If you're still debating, Apple might be trying to sway you with their latest iPhone update, too. It includes an Apple Watch app. And if you

have one, it'll show you promotional videos of that watch.

Well, Wikipedia is suing the National Security Administration and the U.S. Department of Justice over the NSA's mass surveillance program. The

Wikimedia Foundation, which runs the online encyclopedia, says spying activities step on personal privacy and may scare people away from sharing

facts that are unpopular with authorities.

It adds, "many people may also think twice before looking up certain information online."

Wikimedia says the NSA's activities violate the U.S. Constitution.

Well, each day hundreds of migrant workers leave Nepal seeking a better life ending up in Middle Eastern countries like Qatar, but for some,

it ends in death.

A former ambassador to Qatar says Nepalese receive the lowest wages and are the most exploited of all migrant workers there.

Sumnima Udas shows us now how this devastating -- this is devastating communities across Nepal.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

SUMNIMA UDAS, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Once a symbol of hope and opportunity for so many Nepalese, now a harbinger of tragedy. Every

day, an average of three to four coffins arrive from the Middle East; every other day a coffin from Qatar, burying the bodies of Nepali migrant

workers.

When 38-year-old Kishin Dali's (ph) body arrived in his village in southern Nepal, unbearable pain. The wailing went on for hours.

Kishin (ph) was the only breadwinner for his family of 10, his father tells us. Desperation forced him to sell his only piece of land and travel

to Qatar eight months ago. He was still in debt. An all too common story in Nepal, one of the world's most impoverished countries, with some 1,500

Nepalese leave every day in search of work.

The one thing that really stands out is just how few young men are in this village. The majority who are of working age have gone to places like

Qatar and the rest of the Middle East, leaving only the women, the elderly and the children behind.

Human labor is Nepal's biggest export. The money they send back to their families accounts for some 25 percent of the country's GDP.

The majority are illiterate and unskilled, unaware of their rights, easy targets for exploitation.

"Of course it feels like prison. Nobody likes it. But we have no choice," Kishin's (ph) younger brother Bishun says.

Bishun, too, work in Qatar. He's helped build some of the 2022 World Cup infrastructure.

So he's just showing me the clothes his brother used to wear while he was working as a construction working in Qatar.

How Kishin (ph) died is still a mystery. Official data shows half of those who come back in the bulk died of heart attacks, the rest from

workplace accidents and suicide.

Nepali authorities say 10 percent of the laborers who work in Qatar are exploited, oftentimes by middlemen who themselves are Nepali. So,

Qatar is not solely to blame.

But the hosts of the 2022 FIFA World Cup, once considered the land of dreams by so many Nepalese, now dubbed the desert of death.

Sumnima Udas, CNN, Danucha (ph), Nepal.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

STEVENS: And the Qatari government says the majority of migrant workers are treated fairly, but it does recognize that a minority are not

(inaudible) reforming labor law and practices. Qatar points out there have been no fatalities on World Cup projects.

Still, Nepal is calling for an investigation at those venues.

Now, a force of some 30,000 is trying to drive ISIS from a key city in Iraq. And one of the men leading that fight wears no military uniform.

Our Ben Wedeman has the latest from the front line when News Stream returns.

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STEVENS: Looking across Victoria Harbor to downtown Hong Kong. Welcome back to News Stream.

A decisive operation is now underway to liberate Tikrit from ISIS. That comes from a Shiite militia group whose fighters are among the 30,000

Iraqi forces trying to drive the militants out.

As CNN's Ben Wedeman shows us, their leader wields as much influence as any regular army commander.

First, though, this warning, some of the images in this report are disturbing.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

BEN WEDEMAN, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORREPSONDENT: The leader has arrived at the front. He doesn't wear a uniform or hold an official rank, but Haid

al-Amari (ph) is perhaps the most powerful military leader in Iraq. He heads the Badr Organization (ph) and also leads the Hash Deshabi (ph), a

predominately Shia paramilitary force that appears to be doing the lion's share of the fighting for Tikrit.

And he's confident his men can crush ISIS in Iraq without the help of the U.S.-led coalition.

"We don't need it. And we don't want it," he tells me. "Anyone who puts their faith in the international coalition to liberate Iraq is putting

their faith in a mirage. The people of Iraq will liberate this country and put an end to ISIS."

His men in the Hash Deshabi (ph) seem to be leading the fight with the Iraqi army and Sunni tribesmen playing a supporting role.

The group boasts better know-how than the army.

"We can listen in and jam ISIS's cellphones," says commander Main al- Qasemi (ph). The Iraqi army doesn't have that technology.

Haid al-Amari (ph) does acknowledge, however, a little help from his friends.

"Yes, we declare to the world we have Iranian advisers," he says. "And we're proud of them. And we thank them deeply for participating with

us, because Iran has more experience than anyone else on Earth in fighting terrorism."

Some of those advisers were here. Speaking broken Arabic, they told me they were volunteers.

Whoever is helping, Iraqi forces are making good progress, despite ISIS lighting oil fires in an attempt to obscure the view of Iraqi

aircraft.

In three days Iraqi forces advanced 80 kilometers, or 50 miles, but it hasn't been easy going. These are the remains of an ISIS truck bomb. And

the closer they get to Tikrit, they can expect more of the same.

Officers here say they expect to take Tikrit within days.

"Car bombs, suicide bombers, booby traps, we'll deal with them says federal police commander Shakh al-Jodat (ph).

As they did with this ISIS truck hit by an airstrike, charred bodies strewn around it. Deal with them, they did.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

STEVENS: And Ben joins us now from just outside the Iraqi city of Tikrit.

Ben, first of all, just a time line, commanders are confident that Tikrit could fall to them within days. They do sound like they have an

overwhelming force, but is it likely that this is now just a matter of days?

WEDEMAN: Perhaps a bit more than a few days. Now what we understand today is that ISIS has blown up the only bridge that connects the east bank

to the -- the east bank of the Tigris River to the city of Tikrit. That's clearly going to slow things down.

But all the information we're getting from the Iraqi forces around Tikrit is that it does appear that ISIS is in some disarray. From several

days back, we heard that some of their fighters were being told to shave off their beards, cut their hair, wear civilian clothing and try to get out

of the city mixed in among civilians.

And obviously once they get the Iraqi forces get inside the city. It's going to be more difficult.

We know from past experience that ISIS, one of its main tactics is to use IEDs, improvised explosive devices by the hundreds in some cases to

slow down progress of any opposing force.

And of course Tikrit is a city under normal conditions has a population of about 200,000. So -- and it's going to be harder once they

get inside the city itself.

STEVENS: Just briefly, Ben, the aftermath after the city falls, given that there are Shia militia backed by Iran, is there a concern, perhaps

among the Americans, that once these sort of forces enter Tikrit, that there could be some sort of conflict, if you like, between sort of factions

-- Iraqi factions themselves?

WEDEMAN: The main concern is that the incoming forces may seek to take revenge on the inhabitants of Tikrit, keeping in mind that Tikrit is a

predominately Sunni Arab city and the incoming forces are for the most part -- although not exclusively Shia.

So, there's going to be that tension there.

Now what we've seen at the front lines is an attempt, in words, at least, to tell the fighters, the soldiers, not to harm civilians, not to

damage property, but we did see yesterday some houses being lit on fire and that's been the concern.

Now we did hear Ayatollah Ali Sistani, whose one of the spiritual leaders of the Shia community, warning in a Friday sermon to anybody going

into Tikrit to respect the dignity of the inhabitants.

We also heard when I was speaking yesterday to that commander of the Hash Deshabi (ph) Hadi al-Amari (ph) he also stressed that they will punish

anybody who hurts the -- harms the civilians or harms any property.

But in the heat of battle and the aftermath it's hard to predict whether they're going to actually follow those instructions -- Andrew.

STEVENS: All right, Ben, thank you very much for that. Ben Wedeman joining us live from Iraq, you are watching News Stream. Still ahead on

the show, we're going to be hearing from a game developer who received death threats from online hate mobs for being a woman in the gaming

industry. Tell all about it in just a moment. Stay with us.

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STEVENS: I'm Andrew Stevens in Hong Kong. You're watching News Stream and these are your headlines.

French prosecutors have opened a manslaughter investigation after several French nationals died in an aircrash in Argentina. Two helicopters

collided in mid-air. Ten people were killed, including three French sports stars. The athletes were contestants on a French reality TV show that was

filming in northern Argentina.

A Shiite militia in Iraq says a decisive operation to liberate Tikrit is now underway. The group says ISIS militants have blown up a bridge over

the Tigris River cutting off one of the entry points into the city. The joint Iraqi force has been advancing on Tikrit from several fronts.

Libya says militia affiliate to ISIS are believed to be holding nine people who were abducted from an oil facility. Eleven Libyan guards were

killed. Libyan National Oil Corporation says it warned the companies the area was dangerous and that they should leave.

U.S. Republicans have forced themselves into the nuclear talks with Iran. Nearly four dozen lawmakers wrote an open letter to Tehran. They

warn any deal reached with the U.S. president could be reversed after he leaves office.

Well, all this week on News Stream, we've been taking a critical look at social media. On Monday, we examined the issue of digital privacy, and

today let's talk about cyber abuse.

One high profile example is an online hate mob referred to as Gamergate. Late last year, two female game developers became targets of

misogynistic and violent threats on Twitter, Reddit and other places.

Now, one of those women, Zoe Quinn, has helped launch a network to find abuse and harassment on the internet.

Well, sadly, she's still subject to threats and something that's called doxing, that's when online mobs publish private information about

you.

Well, Quinn spoke to Kristie Lu Stout about her experience and how her group tries to help others going through the same thing.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

ZOE QUINN, GAME DEVELOPER: Some people have a small group of people that have been bothering them for up to 10 years, other people get targets

-- become the target of mass online harassment by thousands of people.

So we tailor our advice and our support specifically to the person who is undergoing it with a specific eye towards their customized needs and the

sort of things they're facing like if they want to go to law enforcement.

KRISTIE LU STOUT, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: And as the first target of Gamergate yourself, you know very well what it's like to be

targeted by online abuse, especially from an online mob. Do you still face threats today?

QUINN: Oh, absolutely. I woke up to one this morning on International Women's Day of all things, things telling me really, really

gross sexual comments. And I get that throughout the day on a variety of social media services. It hasn't really let up. I just don't talk about

it as much, because if I did talk about it every time I got a death threat or a gross comment, I wouldn't be able to do anything else, sadly.

LU STOUT: Yeah, and how do you explain to people who don't understand this phenomenon how that online abuse can spill over into real life?

QUINN: Well, it's quite simple. I mean, it's 2015, a lot of people like myself live and work online. Our social support systems are there.

All of my games get sold through there. It's really like my workplace, not just, you know, some random option thing.

A lot of people really don't think about the internet as critically as they should. It's now a part of creating culture at large. And as more

and more people move to it, we need to sort of let the internet have its Soylent Green moment, where everybody sort of realizes that it's just

people.

LU STOUT: And one form of online abuse is something called doxing, the online posting of one's personal details on social media. Could you

tell us just how harmful this could be and how you were doxed?

QUINN: The way I was doxed, actually, was accompanied with a hacking of my blog to sort of further disseminate it as well as letting somebody --

anybody with the email address post automatically to it.

Doxing usually goes hand in hand with a lot of other things like that. But they first start with disseminating your home address and personal

information, partially to intimidate you and sometimes to sort of encourage other people, especially on anonymous message boards to do things like send

pizzas to your house, or in the worst case SWATing, which is attempting to have a SWAT team sent to your house hoping that violence will ensue and

something might happen to you in the process.

LU STOUT: Is this something that anybody could potentially go through, especially women?

QUINN: Absolutely. Until we start taking online abuse seriously and companies actually start policing their services and cracking down on

things like dox, on things like revenge porn, on things that are not even a freedom of speech issue, but are a terms of service violation, then we're

going to continue see people like me. And that is a scary thought. That's one of the reasons that we founded Crash Override Network, so that we can

help people who are targeted by this. I mean, I'm far from the first person, and I'm hoping to make it so that there are less after me.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

STEVENS: Zoe Quinn there speaking out.

Now last week, Crash Override Network partnered with the Online Abuse Prevention Initiative, that's a newly formed group that's a newly formed

group that studies the patterns as well as the behavior of cyber abuse. It hopes to create anti-harassment tools and resources.

And we'll keep you up to date on this story, of course.

Now, a sad day for Simpson's fans. The man behind Springfield's iconic yellow cartoon characters has passed away. We'll have more on the

life as well as the legacy of Sam Simon after the break.

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STEVENS: Welcome back.

Now she is one of the most powerful media executives in Southeast Asia, but when it comes to the notion of having it all, Astro Malaysia CEO

Rohana Razan talks to Kristie Lu Stout about how she's managed to juggle work and family.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

LU STOUT: Here in the bustling streets of Kuala Lumpur is a snapshot of Malaysia thriving domestic market. They are young. They are connect.

And they know what they want. And as the CEO of Astro Malaysia, one of the largest entertainment conglomerates in the region. Rohana Rozhan knows her

audience.

ROAHANA ROZHAN, CEO, ASTRO MALAYSIA: Malaysia is a very young country. It's about 50 percent, believe it or not, is aged 25 and below.

And how they consume content is different. So we see the need to shift to enabling an individual.

LU STOUT: A self-proclaimed wild child from a remote corner of Malaysia to being in charge of a $4.7 billion company, Rohana's success is

rooted in her rigorous understanding of all strands of the business.

Your background is in accounting, but you know the technical, the engineering aspects of the business, clearly.

ROZHAN: I always try to tell people, and I know I shouldn't say this because a lot of people will say, but I think the best CFO probably makes

the best CEO in...

LU STOUT: Because you were previously the CFO of Astro Media.

ROZHAN: So I think being an accountant, being a CFO, you literally have to understand the business, the nuts and bolts as well as the

strategic elements.

LU STOUT: Now, as a media executive, Rohana juggles the many roles that come with the title. She admits, though, it is not without a

challenge.

You are a single mother. And your son is now in university, congratulations. But when he was younger, was it difficult for you?

ROZHAN: It's not easy, but it's not an excuse either. There will be so many instances where you actually have to -- it's this constant feeling

of guilt, because you know as women we think we're supposed to be perfect. It's -- we think we're supposed to pick up the slack for anyone else. And

you always try to be perfect for everyone.

But you wear so many labels, right, you're a media executive, you're running a company, and you have to give your 100 percent to each one of all

of that.

LU STOUT: As working moms, there are those moments that happen again and again when you have to leave a young child behind. We feel the guilt.

How do we manage the guilt?

ROZHAN: I think -- I think as long as you're honest, and as long as you spend good, quality time, I've always made it a point even to my

employers, however junior I was, at an interview, I basically said to them I will give this my all, but know this, family comes first.

LU STOUT: Rohana concedes it's not easy to have it all, but if more women try, only then will the barriers be broken.

Is there a formula for successful women today?

ROZHAN: You have to want it. You have to want it, but you can't just want it without the work, you have to want it, yet understand that it's not

going to be easy.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

STEVENS: Remember, family comes first. Rohana Rozhan there speaking to Kristie a little earlier.

And make sure you head to our website to check out more Leading Women CNN has profiled from the Nobel Peace Prize-winning teenager Malala to the

actress and activist Emma Watson. It's all t CNN.com/leadingwomen.

And before we go, we'd like to pay tribute to one of the creative forces behind a cultural icon. And we don't use that phrase lightly,

because we're talking about the Simpsons. Sam Simon died on Sunday after a long battle with cancer. He was 59-years-old. He was also co-creator of

the series. It debuted, would you believe, back in 1989 and is now the longest running primetime show in the history of U.S. TV.

Well, Simon has been praised for infusing the Simpson's characters with a full range of human emotions. He won seven Emmys for his work on

the show.

Sadly missed.

And that is News Stream. Thanks so much for joining us. I'm Andrew Stevens. Don't go anywhere, World Sport with Patrick Snell is up in just a

moment.

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