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ANDERSON COOPER, AC360 SHOW HOST: Good evening thanks for joining us just past 9:00 P.M. here in New York just after 8:00 P.M. in Iowa where Hillary Clinton has arrive by mini van in the first official road trip over 2016 presidential campaign. Now to this price merely no one she officially enter the race yesterday the announcement coming a video.


HILARY CLINTON, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I'm running for president. Americans have fought their way back from tough economic times, but the deck is still stacked in favor of those at the top.


COOPER: After the announcements after Clinton and company hit the road Brianna Keilar joins us now from see the rapid. So the next couple days next few weeks what do they do like for their candidate?

BRIANNA KEILAR, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: The next couple days Anderson for Hillary Clinton should be visiting a community college here in Iowa and we've just learn that she's on the on the ground here in Iowa. She'll be go this community college and she'll be going as well to a fruit company on Wednesday is your expected to be release events and while we certainly knew she was getting into the race it's this interesting visual I think picturing Hillary Clinton in a van taking these two day road trip to get here to Iowa.

We understand from one of her aids that, you know, she packs a healthy snack some almonds and some cottage cheese. So, that's really the visual that your getting which is kind of unusual maybe for the start of a candidacy here, but this is all about a listening tour, and I think really trying about her trying to get at the heart of her message which is not about Hillary Clinton this campaign it's about the people that she's fighting for so that's really what she's trying to convey as she goes road tripping.

COOPER: Yeah, I feel like I've heard that slogan and off a lot, like it's not about me it's about you.


COOPER: The smaller face to face meetings with voters I mean she did a lot that when she ran for senate back in 2000 right.

KEILAR: Yeah, she did. And the other thing we're hearing a lot is everyday Americans. We've been talking with senior officials with her campaign everyday Americans all the time you hear that even instead of just the middle class.

So, this one is very much what she did in 2000 she was coming out of the White House. She was first lady. I think a lot of the perception of her was that maybe she was sort of feeling entitled because she had this name and she had this new variety (ph). And so, she went in to New York state running for senate trying to kind of brush that back.

She went well in the upstate New York a lot. She got release familiar (ph) with local issues and ultimately a paid off. She earned the respective of voters doing that. So, she's taking a page successful page out of her play book from 2000.

COOPER: We're talking about this a little bit in the last hour and Hillary can get some criticism she got to stop over this swing state of Ohio is that right?

KEILAR: She did have a stop over in the swing state of Ohio. So, this was south of Toledo. She actually stop at Chipotle we understand from an aid and this was like the funny little carpal details for getting chicken burrito bowl,

black beans and guacamole, I know that your really curious about that.

She also stop in Juliet, Illinois that of course is her home state and this comes on a hills for stopping yesterday at a gas station. So, these are the little moments that they're letting pop up sort of organically on Twitter to really create this sense of her down to earth launch of her campaign.

[21:05:04] COOPER: All right Brianna Keilar thank you very much a van not a helicopter this time in Iowa whatever the contrast turns out to be between the 2008 candidate Clinton and candidate Clinton 2.0 one thing were meant to same now to some fair or not. She has always been seen as lighting rod (ph).

COOPER: She was controversial from the start.


CLINTON: You know, I'm not sitting here as some little woman standing by my man like Tammy Wynette.


COOPER: Hillary Clinton first on political scene on (inaudible) quarter century ago, the Ivy League lawyer wife (ph) of a little known Arkansas governor. She was a new kind of a political spouse and she didn't means worst.


CLINTON: I suppose I could have stayed home and baked cookies and had teas, but what I decided to do was to fulfill my profession which I entered before my husband was in public life.


COOPER: With the white house came unyielding scrutiny of everything from her appearance to her business dealings to her polarizing role in the west wing.


CLINTON: I'm sure you will do that so Mr. Armey maybe.

REP. DICK ARMEY (R), TEXAS: We'll do the best we can.

CLINTON: You and Dr. Kevorkian in that thing.

ARMEY: Here are parts on your charm are over stated in the report side in you're with our overstated.

CLINTON: Thank you, thank you.


COOPER: But in eight years at the center of power nothing fascinated the American public as much as Hillary Clinton's marriage.


BILL CLINTON, FORMER PRESIDENT: I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Does that right wings conspiracy that has been conspiring against my husband since the day he announce for president.


COOPER: Humiliation then history as her husband presidency near to an end in late 2000, Hillary Clinton became the first, first lady ever elected to public office, bending are critics who called her carpet beggar that she want senate seat from New York.

Reelected six years later, Clinton turn her sides to what many political observers believe she long wanted. The return to the White House is the nation's first woman president. But the air (ph) of inevitabilities surrounding her candidacy didn't factor in a primary challenge by freshman senator from Illinois name Barack Obama.


BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: Why you just repeated here today is -- wait no Hillary you .......

(CROSSTALK) CLINTON: I did not say anything about Ronald Reagan.


COOPER: The bruising campaign left the Clinton political machine battered and Hillary Clinton's future unclear.


CLINTON: Although we weren't able to shatter that highest, hardest glass ceiling this time, thanks to you, it's got about 18 million cracks in it.


COOPER: The bitter rivals would become an unlikely team with Clinton as President Obama's choice as his secretary of state logging nearly a million miles of high profile travel in a 10 year there was largely without controversy until one night in September of 2012.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Four Americans have been killed in a brutal -- I can only call it a massacre at the U.S. consulate in Benghazi.


COOPER: Her critics pass.


SEN. RAND PAUL (R), KENTUCKY: I wouldn't believe you of your post I think it's inexcusable.


COOPER: And Hillary Clinton was on a defensive.


CLINTON: The fact is we had four dead Americans was it because that they ...

PAUL: I understand

CLINTON: ... was it because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night who decided that they'd they go kill some Americans. What difference at this point does it make?


COOPER: By early 2013 she resigned and move and longs signaled a private citizen fort he first time in decades. A multi-million dollar book deal followed hundreds of thousands of dollars per speech and questions about whether life in a 23 year government bubble, and left Hillary Clinton out of touch. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CLINTON: Last time I absolutely drove a car myself was 1996 and I remember it very well and unfortunately so does the Secret Service, which is why I haven't driven since then


COOPER: And then in March a new controversy the revelation of a private e-mail server house of the Clinton's New York mansion that Hillary Clinton use to conduct official government business while secretary of state.


CLINTON: Looking back it would have been better if I simply use a second e-mail account and carried a second phone but at that time this didn't seem like an issue.


COOPER: So far not of it has cause Clinton to support of the democratic establishment which sees her once again as an inevitable.

Let's talk about the panel or talk to the panel about (inaudible) state we're going to be join us Claire Borja Washington Post reporter, and inside politics commentator Nia Malika Henderson, good to have you all here.

You know David when you hear about Hillary Clinton being reintroduce again and then, you know, the campaign it putting it well we're going to in revenge. She's eating the almonds, and she stop talking at Chipotle. I mean it's seems like it's all attempt to show she is in fact a real person. She just like everybody else is that a message that she can really pull off given the amount of time she's been in the public eye.

DAVID GERGAN, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: I think it's smart for her as she, she got a very smart given around her to show more warms to try to connect more with average Americans. I think that she needs to come out as for the bubble, that she's been living at with a powerful -- will powerful people.

So, I think then idea behind is a very good one, how they're executing it. I think it's a lot of questions (inaudible) that'd be raise, I mean to have a -- the announcement yesterday, be basically content free, wrap it with Marcus Road (ph) stinging peace (ph) on Washington Post today.

[21:10:08] And then today, you know, she's taking as road trip to Iowa as she goes in and she goes in -- this probably talk about with, we talk what this was all about. She wear sunglasses, she is not recognized. She is basically in disguise and nobody recognize her, right...

COOPER: They pulled the security camera footage to Chipotle to see that she was actually there.

GERGEN: Yeah. It means it was bizarre to me. But and I assume it would -- it'll get the rhythm and we'll have more contact on the days ahead but this first couple days have been so unorthodox (inaudible) oh, let me do it (ph).

COOPER: (inaudible) Saturday Night Live, they are going to (inaudible) and it's obviously a comment anything but I mean if he gets to I think a public perception her and I want to place on mute.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. Now, hold of your phone and you can just look natural. OK.

And I want you soften a little. OK. A little more. OK. We get a lot more. Great. Great. OK. And action.

KATE MCKINNON: Citizens, you will elect me, I will be your leader.


COOPER: I mean again, it's live but you know, it gets too absurd perception.

NIA-MALIKA HENDERSON, REPORTER THE WASHINGTON POST: That's right and then we have seen how damaging in some ways that where I can be in terms of putting these caricatures out there if people Tina Fey and Sarah Palin.

That way, I think if I was Hillary Clinton, I will try to book an appearance on (inaudible) likelihood. A book of they really are getting up a lot of the worst idea of about Hillary Clinton. She is overly ambitious of that she is robotic in the programs in calculating about her marriage to Bill Clinton still messy.

It is to remind us of all of the drama from those years, the Clinton years, so you know, again, having this in pop culture in this way on Saturday Night, Kate McKinnon is so great. I mean she can copy Hillary Clinton and Justin Bieber all the same.

COOPER: And Justin Beiber hates her imitation from my understanding.

Gloria, how does Hillary Clinton convince people if she understands them, is like them because, I mean, again most people haven't you know, been either first lady or Secretary of the State. I mean she has been, you know, with no fault (ph) of her own, you know, living in a very rare fine atmosphere?

GLORIA BORGER, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL ANALYST: You know, I think we're walking right up to the line here of this notion of how authentic this really is.

You have Hillary Clinton sunglasses at Chipotle. You have her, in events, she doesn't drive. She hasn't driven since 1996. Secret service won't let her drive. You have this stuff having background calls today, I was on one about the eye with script saying things like she is excited to energize and anxious, OK, to begin her campaign.

And then you're not really seeing her. You're not really seeing her in new settings with voters in which she is very good. This was all about avoiding the big campaign announcement and appearance because nobody needs to be introduced to Hillary Clinton anymore.

This is about her talking one on one to voters and we really, we're not seeing a lot of that yet. I'm presuming, we're going to see some more in the next few weeks but I sense another Saturday Night Live skit will be in the works.

COOPER: David, I mean there is some, look, if she had competition in a primary battle, it would actually help her would hone her make her a better, make her become a better top candidate in a lot of ways. The flip side of that argument is you know, Mitt Romney came at about a top primary battle pretty bruised.

GERGEN: Yeah. But she would be good if she had at least somewhat as a token to be sure. She still going to win, but I think she does -- there is no tension in the story. I don't know now. She maintains momentum over a period, a long period of time ahead. It was still some 10 months away from the Iowa caucuses.

How would she -- what is there for us to cover and talk about it when there is no tension in the story. She may do her international trip, she maybe is with mature people but I think that's a real challenge for and it's trying to keep this fresh. It's 574 days more.

COOPER: Oh my glory, it is.


COOPER: When she wrote her book and it came out, there was, you know, huge publicity for, a lot of hoop (ph) up for it. After about a week, I mean the sales drop and people kind of got tired -- they got what they called Clinton's fatigue.

HENDERSON: Yeah. Clinton's fatigue and that is the danger here. I think with this campaign rule out, it's almost like they do in Glamour Magazine stars, they were just like us right, look at her, she is at Chipotle but how long can you cover that, right? And I think in this vacuum, you're going to have the press really chewing over this stuff and doing what we're doing now.

COOPER: This is one more night where I hear she was eating omelets. I mean...

BORGER: Yeah. Exactly. You know what's going to help her? Here is what's going to help her. What's going to help her is Republicans attacking her every single day because just Marco Rubio as you reported earlier announced today and he attacked Hillary Clinton as being yesterday.

[21:15:01] And nothing so unites with Democratic Party as these attacks against Hillary because they don't want to start attacking each other too much when you don't want to see food fight between Marco Rubio and Jeb Bush, you know, mentor to his student there.

So, they are all going to be attacking her. She is going to have to respond and that will unite the Democratic Party even more and that how she kind of keep sit a lot what you think.

COOPER: It's an interesting point. Gloria, thank you very much, and Nia-Malika, great to have you on, and David Gergen as well. Thank you guys.

HENDERSON: Thank you.


GERGEN: Thank you.

COOPER: Oh, thank you. As always there is some moments back stage, we'll have some.

Make sure you set your DVR to watch AC360 whenever you want.

Coming up next as Gloria mentioned new Republican enters the race, how Florida Senator Marco Rubio hopes to set himself apart from growing GOP primary field when we continue.


COOPER: Marco Rubio into the speculation today entering a Republican presidential field that is growing quickly. Ted Cruz, of course, is on Rand Paul is in, Jeb Bush, widely expected to be in shortly, and now freshman Senator from Florida making the announcement this evening in Miami.


SEN. MARCO RUBIO, (R) FLORIDA: We Americans are proud of our history, but our country has always been about the future. Before us now is the opportunity to author the greatest chapter yet in the amazing story of America.

But we can't do that by going back to the leaders and ideas of the past. We must change the decisions we are making by changing the people who are making them.


COOPER: Senator Rubio, this evening distancing himself from politicians of the past without quite mentioning either Jeb Bush or Hillary Clinton.

Dana Bash was there for the event, she joins us now, will you talk about where he came from a lot and how that shape (ph) who he is?

DANA BASH, CHIEF CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT: He did and one of the things he didn't talk about was that fact that one of the people who shape who he is politically is a man he is now going to be running against for the Republican nomination Jeb Bush and one of the most striking lines, Anderson, was when he said that some people are telling him to wait his turn but he said, he won't.

[21:20:04] You know, many who are saying wait turn are those who are mutual friends of Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio who say that is exactly that that Marco Rubio who say that it is exactly that. That Marco Rubio should really keep in mind that Jeb Bush helped him with his political career.

It's in iconic moment capturing the bond between Marco Rubio and Jeb Bush. It was 2005, Bush, then, Florida's outgoing governor passing the baton of swords to Rubio bestowing the incoming State House Speaker with the sword he had especially made for him called the sword of Chang. Bush called the mystical warrior.


JEB BUSH, (R) FORMER FLORIDA GOVERNOR: Chang is someone who believes in conservative principles, believes in entrepreneurial capitalism.


BASH: Ever since, Bush donated $50 to 26-year old Rubio's first run for City Commissioner, the two had been closed. Bush, a conservative idea man and policy walk (ph), Rubio's private political guide.

And when they appear together in public, it was a love feast.


RUBIO: You look up the word leadership, and there's a picture of him in the dictionary.

BUSH: Bush has get emotional, so, I'm going to try my heart as my wife has told me, don't cry. Don't cry.

But Marco Rubio makes me cry for joy.


BASH: Al Cardenas is close to both men. He gave Rubio his first job as a law clerk.

There's been talk about Jeb Bush being Marco Rubio's mentor. You had an up close and personal view of the relationship. Is that accurate?


Cardenas says he would be thrilled for a bright Cuban-American like Rubio to be president but not now. He supports Bush.

CARDENAS: I would go in a Bush running and I don't think it makes as much sense.

BASH: Are you surprised that Marco Rubio is running given their relationship?


BASH: Surprised and like many neutral friends backing Bush, torn and frustrated, but sources close to 43-year old Rubio tells CNN, he has been preparing to run for sometime and didn't think 62-year old Bush would actually get in.

Rubio has made a political career at a seizing a moment not waiting for what others call his turn becoming Speaker of the Florida State House at age 34.

RUBIO: Everything that has gone wrong in her life will go right for that child.

BASH: And backing party leaders to mount (ph) a Tea Party challenge for the Senate which succeeded.

RUBIO: Thank you.

BASH: Now, Rubio and Bush will be going after many similar GOP voters especially Hispanics. Both speak fluent Spanish.


BASH: And both understand the Latino culture even against Democrats, they both faired well among Hispanic voters. Bush won 60 percent of Florida's Latino vote when he ran for governor in 1998.

In 2010, Rubio won 55 percent of Latinos is three-way race.

Doing well with Hispanics and GOP primaries would signal strength against Democrats move and crushing Republicans among Latino voters in recent elections.

As for Florida's primary, a treasure troll of delegates for GOP candidate. It would be like a two men race between the Former Governor and his former protege.

COOPER: I mean, it really would be a battle way out between Rubio and Bush from Florida.

BASH: Absolutely. And right now, it's very early but the way the primary schedule is set, Florida isn't going to happen until that two months into the primary season. And so, it's going to be maybe the end of the road for one of them because if one of them can't prove that they can't win in this date, it's probably lights out for their campaign.

The other thing to remember is that when it comes to the Republican nomination, Florida is important also because its winner take all.

And last time around, there right 100 delegates, that is a lot when you're looking at rocking up the totals to get that magic number to become the nominee. Anderson.

COOPER: And (inaudible) fascinating race ahead. Dana Bash, thanks very much. Just ahead another law enforcement officer charged in the shooting of

another suspect to once again, it was caught on video.

Coming up next, what makes this case really stand out? The shooter was a 73-year old volunteer deputy. He was also a major donor to the local sheriff's department.


COOPER: Felony charges tonight in another deadly shooting involving a law enforcement officer and an African-American suspect.

It happened during a sting operation about the Tulsa County Oklahoma Sheriffs Department earlier this month.


ROBERT BATES, RESERVED DEPUTY: Stop right here. (Inaudible) draw (ph) in your stomach now.

I shot him. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

ERIC HARRIS: He shot me. He shot me. Oh, my God. He shot me.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Stop fighting (ph).


HARRIS: He shot me. He shot me. He shot (inaudible). He shot me. Did you hear me?


HARRIS: Oh, God. He shot me (inaudible). He shot me, man. Oh, my God.

BATES: (Inaudible), do you hear me?

HARRIS: I'm losing my breath.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (Inaudible) back.


COOPER: By the voice you hear saying, he shot the suspect, (inaudible) name Robert Bates. He's a 73-year old insurance executive who's now charge with second-degree manslaughter and if you're wondering what does 73-year old insurance executive was doing with the badge, a Taser, a gun and a dying suspect at his feet, you were not the only one.

How he even came to be in a position to use deadly force is drawing a lot of attention tonight in Tulsa and across the country. More in it all now from Ed Lavandera. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BATES: I got you. I got you.

ED LAVANDERA, CNN: Eric Harris is caught on tape allegedly selling an illegal hand gun.


HARRIS: I see it, sweet It's a nice gun.

LAVANDERA: Harris is about to find out that this is an undercover sting in Tulsa County Sheriffs deputies are racing and to arrest him. Harris takes off running.

BATES: He's running. Stop, stop right here. Stop here. Stop right here. Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. Stop right here. Stop right here.

LAVANDERA: And deputies chased and tackled him to the ground.

BATES: Draw on your stomach now.

BATES: I shot him. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I shot him.

HARRIS: He shot me. Oh, my God. He shot me, he shot me.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, my God. (inaudible).

HARRIS: He shot me. He shot me.

[21:30:00] He shot me. Did you hear me? (Inaudible). Oh God. Oh I didn't do. He shot me man. Oh my God.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He didn't do (inaudible).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He didn't do (inaudible) did you hear me?

HARRIS: I'm loosing my breath.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (Inaudible) your breath.

LAVANDERA: Eric Harris would later die at the hospital. Harris' brother says the deputy went too far.

ANDRE HARRIS, ERIC HARRIS' BROTHER: There shouldn't have been no Taser user, there should have been no type of force used on my brother other than putting his hand behind his back and handcuffed. The last thing my brother heard as he went to be with the Lourdes, "F your breath", as if he didn't matter.

LAVANDERA: The deadly shoot was fired by Reserve Deputy Robert Bates. CNN obtained the statement Bates gave to investigators after the shooting. Bates writes as Harris resisted that there was small window to deploy his Taser.

"I remember thinking I have to deploy it rapidly as I still thought there was a strong possibility Harris had a gun."

Bates says he meant to use his Taser and that he was "startled" and that he left in "state of shock and disbelief" once he realized he used his gun instead.

Adding to the volatility of the story, Bates isn't a full-fledge sheriff's deputy. He's a certified peace officer who volunteers in the department's reserve deputy program. Bates is the CEO of an insurance company and has been a long time benefactor of the Tulsa sheriff's department. He's donated cars and video equipment.

Eric Harris' family attorney says, "Bates has paid big money to play a cop in his spare time."

DAN SMOLEN, HARRIS FAMILY ATTORNEY: It's absolutely mind boggling that you have a wealthy businessman whose been essentially deputized to go play like he's some outlaw. I mean like he' just playing up the streets.

LAVANDERA: Sheriff's officials say Bates has undergone extensive training and Bates himself says in that statement to investigators that he's assisted the violent crimes task force at hundred other times.

MAJ. SHANNON CLARK, TULSA COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT: No, he hadn't paid to play a cup. You know, no matter how you cut it up, Deputy Bates met all of the criteria on the Council on Law Enforcement Education and Training to be in the role that he was in.

LAVANDERA: So could Bates have confused his two weapons? Eric Harris' family attorney showed us what they look like, a bright yellow Taser and a small 357 revolver. He questions how Bates could have mistaken the gun for the bright yellow Taser strapped to his chest.

SMOLEN: They don't function the same, they don't feel the same.

LAVANDERA: We also asked Bates' attorney this very question. He says Bates experienced a phenomenon called "slip-and-capture".

SCOTT WOOD, ROBERT BATES' LAWYER: ... which means your intended behavior slips off track and is captured by another behavior that might be well -- more well-rehearsed or motorized internally than your initial intention. So, what ends up happening is you do the opposite of what you intended.


COOPER: And Ed Lavandera joins us now from Tulsa. Ed we had a professor on -- in the last hour. A criminal justice professor who said, there's no peer reviewed studies about slip-and-capture. He says it's basically kind of junk science.

You've been in touch with Bates' attorney after his client was charged with second-degree manslaughter. What's the latest on that? What's he's saying (ph)?

LAVANDERA: Well this idea of slip-and-capture is something that not only is Robert Bates' attorney is saying but also Robert Bates' bosses at the sheriff's department here in Tulsa. They all say that this was an excusable homicide given that he was acting well within his rights as a reserve deputy on this operation with the Tulsa County Sheriff's Department.

The attorney says it's an accident of misfortune and that he should not have been charged. Robert Bates still very has the support of his superiors and the leadership at the Sheriff's Department here in Tulsa. Anderson.

COOPER: We should point out he's friends with the chief of police there and has donated a lot of money over the years to this department. The tape of the incident and shortly after you hear one officer saying, "F your breath", using an explicitly -- to the guy who was just shoot. Do we know what happens after the tape stops?

LAVANDERA: Well we do know that he was on the ground for several more minutes waiting for ambulances and paramedics to arrive there at the scene. But as you mentioned shortly after that, that video cuts off. We asked about that and they say that the battery and the glass -- the glasses camera that was -- that captured the takedown of Eric Harris. They say -- we're told by sheriff's officials here that the battery they believe run out and that's the recording stopped.

COOPER: All right, Ed Lavandera. Thanks very much. Well see. Just ahead a 10-year-old and a 6-year-old walked home from the park by themselves and they end up in police custody. And their parents are now under investigation. We'll talk about a controversy of what's become know as free-range parenting.


COOPER: Welcome back. Tonight a story that sparked a heated debate over something that used to be frankly unremarkable, kids playing outside in their neighborhoods without their parents in sight and then walking home by themselves. Decades ago that used to be the norm, but in 2015 it can lead to charges of neglect and even loosing custody of your children.

Just 24 hours ago, a family in Maryland was in the thick of what they described as a nightmare and what authority say is necessary to keep kids safe. Suzanne Malveaux has the story.


SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Danielle Meitiv has her children back today, after they we're held for hours last night by Child Protective Services for the second time in recent months.

DANIELLE MEITIV, CHILDREN HELD BY CHILD PROTECTION SERVICES: CPS has finally succeeded in making me terrified to let my kinds out unsupervised because I'm afraid they're going to take them away.

MALVEAUX: Her children ages 10 and 6 we're playing in park two and a half blocks away from where they live.

When they started walking home in this busy commercial street in the evening a concerned resident called police.

MEITIV: They put the kids in a police car and they kept them in there for two and half hours.

MALVEAUX: Police took the kids to Child Protective Services of CPS which was already investigating the family over a similar incident in December. At that time Meitiv explained to the "Washington Post", she and her husband we're raising free-range kids.

MEITIV: It means we are giving our children the childhood that we had. The idea that kids can be trusted to go down the block, to play at the park, to walk home from school.

MALVEAUX: Last month, CPS found the Meitivs guilty of unsubstantiated child neglect. The couple was in the process of appealing the decision when their children we're picked up again on Sunday.


[21:40:00] Kids that age shouldn't be left wondering around.

MALVEAUX: Child Dr. Susan Bartell says giving kids more freedom doesn't mean they are no limits.

BARTELL: If they're old enough to walk the next door to the neighbor's house, they're 10 or 11 or 12, that's fine. But they shouldn't be wondering around in a park by themselves unsupervised until they're much older.

MALVEAUX: These children getting caught in the middle of a national debate over the boundaries between free-range parenting and neglect.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don't think it's wrong per say.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Free-range raising, no, I don't agree with that.

MALVEAUX: For Meitiv, the scariest thing about letting her children walk alone maybe the government agency hovering nearby.

MEITIV: I never was scared of strangers. And the people who say that it's dangerous and the world is different have frankly been watching too much T.V.

MALVEAUX: Suzanne Malveaux, CNN Silver Spring, Maryland.


COOPER: And it's a fascinating story. Child Protective Services, they released a statement saying, "Protecting children is the agency's number one priority. We are required to follow up on all calls to Child Protective Services. Be assured that the Department will review the situation and talk to all involved parties as part of the review." Now, the Silver Spring Police Department, they've also put out a press release saying that the officer responded to this call saw a homeless man "eyeing the children" when he arrived on the scene.

We're going to talk about it now with our legal analyst and former prosecutor Sunny Hostin, and also CNN digital correspondent Kelly Wallace, both parents as well. What do you make of this? And Kelly you covered this kind of story extensively.

KELLY WALLACE, CNN DIGITAL CORRESPONDENT: I have and I think the general reaction is, "Are we going too far here?" Why not try to reach the parent? Why not call the parents instead of having Child Protective Services investigating the parents.

Anderson, there have been other stories that we reported on where parents have been arrested for letting their 9-year-old or 7-year-old walk through a park alone. So, it's got a lot of people talking about, are we going too far here? And isn't there another way we can resolve this?

COOPER: It also -- I mean, I assume this parent sort of walk this route with the kids at some point, it was a couple of blocks from their home, it wasn't necessarily that she just kind of open the door, tossed them out and said, come back in a couple of hours.

WALLACE: These parents say that this is sort of an evolution that overtime they wanted to give their children more and more responsibility and more autonomy. And the kids are craving it. They say they're reacting to a society, and I'm a parent I know what we're talking here. Helicopter parenting, we're not letting our kids do anything. You and I when...

COOPER: Right.

WALLACE: ... we we're kids we we're doing things on our own.

COOPER: Well, I ride the city bus at that age.

WALLACE: Exactly. So that they we're trying and step by step they were letting their kids do more and more. They were saying these kids would do this all the time, walk in this park and not have any problems.

COOPER: Sunny, I mean of course bad things do happen to kids though, look at Etan Patz, the famous case, you know, here in New York City. The, you know, the mother was watching him walk to the bus stop, you know, turn the corner and he's never been seen since. The statement from the police...


COOPER: ... about a homeless guy eyeing the kids. I guess that adds another dimension to it, if true.

HOSTIN: Well it does. And, you know, I -- Kelly and I are good friends and we had this debate before but the bottom-line is, when you're someone like me that has had experience dealing with child abduction, prosecuting child sex crimes, you can never be too careful and too safe.

What do child pedophiles and abductors look for? They look for vulnerable children. They look for children that aren't being parented, that aren't being supervised. And so, our job as parents is to provide that kind of structure, that kind of supervision.

And I'm very, very just tired of hearing parents saying, but we used to do it, well guess what? There are a lot of things that we used to do when we were children that we cannot do now. Let's take for example the fact that we weren't in car seats when we were children, right? But we know better now, and so we do better.

Our children's do, you know, travel with seatbelt. Let's talk about Etan Patz who was abducted two blocks away from this home walking to a school bus in 1979. And so, these types of abduction have been going on for a very long time and to suggest that a 10-year-old and a 6- year-old are old enough to walk, not only just two blocks, which was this time, they were a mile away from their home unsupervised. That is 20 New York City blocks...

COOPER: Kelly, I mean...

HOSTIN: ... that is child neglect.

COOPER: Kelly, I mean, you know, kids used to ride their bicycles around neighborhoods.

WALLACE: Yeah. I mean -- Sunny, you know, like we said, good friends, I do kind of disagree here. In the sense that if you look overall at the crime stats...

COOPER: Right, it's down.

WALLACE: ... believe it or not it's down, it's actually safer now for us than it was before. I think the issue is maybe that we don't quite have the community that we used to, that when we have -- I know when I was a kid, if I walk, you know, 10 blocks away I had neighbors who we're watching me. They're all, "Oh, there's Kelly Wallace down the street."

Not everyone knows their neighbors so it's not that same kind of thins Sunny, but I do think...

COOPER: Did you grow up in Mayberry?

WALLACE: Believe it or not.

HOSTIN: You know Kelly; I've got to disagree with you in terms of the crime stat. Let's talk about the stat of missing children that you can find on the missing children website, the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.

[21:45:00] 2014, 266,949 entries for missing children in the FBI database, so to suggest somehow that our kids are safer today than they were then, that is just not true.

WALLACE: But are those numbers...


COOPER: Right, but Sunny are those number higher and we're they actually recorded in the past in the way that they're being reported now?

HOSTIN: You know, I don't know that that the numbers we're higher -- perhaps we don't have that information. But, I think we need to look at the information that we have which is in 2014 you've got over 400,000 entries made for missing children. And so, these parents are saying they're concerned because the police got their children and traumatized them, well how about if a child abductor or a molester grabbed their children?

COOPER: All right.

HOSTIN: That would be pretty traumatizing.

COOPER: We should also point out, Maryland does have a law on the books that kids below a certain age have to accompanied, but that really has to do with being in a home or being in car, it doesn't necessarily apply to a park. It's a good discussion...

HOSTIN: But it's pure child neglect.

COOPER: Well, that's -- your opinion though. Let's...

WALLACE: We need to continue this discussion...

COOPER: Yes, it's a good discussion. Let's talk about it on Twitter, Tweet me @AndersonCooper, let me know what you think. Sunny Hostin, Kelly Wallace, thank you.

Just ahead, screams heard from the cargo bay of an airliner, then an emergency landing. You'll hear what the pilot told air traffic control about the problem, what actually was the problem. Details when we continue.


COOPER: Pretty unbelievable reason for emergency landing in Seattle. A baggage handler was stocked inside the cargo hold of Alaska Airlines plane. Flight was in the air for about 14 minutes. You know, the pilot heard banging from underneath the plane.

Here's the audio from the moment the pilot realize something was going on.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We don't (inaudible) like that. I think we have Illinois (ph) for the baggage department, (inaudible) to do it (inaudible) at the background.

COOPER: But the worker was treated, released from the hospital. Alaska Airline says the investigation is on going but how this could have happened (inaudible) and stocked in the cargo hold and they beginning (ph) to bump or delay doesn't seem so bad anymore. But passengers aren't exactly singing the praises of the air launch.

By the way, I should point at the baggage (ph) hanger said he fall asleep in the cargo hold. New numbers are out ranking airlines and everything for lost luggage to on time performance. Our Aviation Correspondent, Rene Marsh reports.

RENE MARSH, AVIATION CORRESPONDENT: United Airlines flights get it off the runaway in Houston getting stocked in the mud.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I've had a lot of hard landings. This one I would describe is Captain Kangaroo.

MARSH: In March, it was a delta plane nearly crushing into an icy bay in New York from rough landings to unruly passengers.


MARSH: It's not always friendly skies for fliers. According to a new study, passenger complaints sword (ph) 22 percent in 2014.

DEAN HEADLEY, WICHITA STATE UNIVERSITY: Consumers, their (ph) perception that flying is not pleasant, it's not fun, and maybe cost a little more than it should. And the airlines aren't doing a darn thing, let's change that.

MARSH: Researcher say, the airline industries performance declined in mishandled luggage, customer complaints an on time performance. But there were standouts, Virgin America, Hawaiian Airlines, Delta and Jet Blue ranked the best overall performers. When it came to baggage handling, Virgin America in the top spot again.

Envoy, American Eagle the worst because of lost or delayed luggage.

HEADLEY: They get about $3.5 billion a year just for baggage fees in this country and they only cut the rate by half of mishandled bags. Is that enough? Or should it be zero?

MARSH: Now, frustrated fliers have hard data to back up some of their gripes with airlines. Rene Marsh, CNN Washington.

COOPER: Oh come one, that's going to make you smile at the end of the day. The Ridiculist is next.

But first we'll look at High Profits, a new series premiering this weekend on CNN.


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ANNOUNCER: "HIGH PROFITS" series premieres Sunday night at 10:00.



COOPER: It's time for the Ridiculist.

In time we have a tail of remarkable talent originating from the Albuquerque BioPark Zoo. That's where a goat name Gooty is taking the art world by storm creating original masterpieces, exactly like were (ph), but masterpieces or paintings with only a brush, his teeth and a wild artistic vision that simply cannot be deterred, not by the lack of hands and not by the pressure being watched by an audience as he creates.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A painting goat, it was unbelievable. I could have believed it that goat was setting their painting in, it was good, it was pretty.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: To see a goat, actually hold the paintbrush in his mouth and paint and he has neocracy (ph) with it and some talent, yeah, that's unique.


COOPER: OK. This is the question, how much would a goat painting actually be worth?


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It depends on the size and the subject, if you were painting one of the sheep, maybe a couple of thousands.


COOPER: Say what now? A couple of thousands for goat painting? Spoiler alert, he's not going to paint the sheep. Gooty's were tends to be much more abstract, much like the artwork of other creatures of the Albuquerque BioPark Zoo.

Here's a painting by rats. (inaudible) there's a color (inaudible) in shoes (ph), they pallet them selves. Here's one by hissing cockroaches. Raw talented palpable, isn't it? But if you want, exquisite minimalism, you got to go with maggots.

Here's a maggot painting, something I never thought I'd actually see or say for that matter. Maggots clue (ph), they have a real sense of restraint and paintings, something a goat could really only inspire to.

Now, truth we told (ph), if you want a painting by a goat, (inaudible) is getting the easel of his back and keeping him from eating his own artwork. They're surprise by now. We've certainly learned over the years here on the Ridiculist, the goat can be -- which I say mercurial, remember the one in Utah that knocked the paper boy of his bike and chase him at the tree?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was dark and I saw this like figure, I look over my -- what the heck is that? And then it made a weird noise kind of like grunting noise.


COOPER: Now, if you remember and I certainly cannot forget, that crazy tongue wagging demon goat, his name Voldemort, and trap that poor paper boy up a tree from down an hour. And then of course, they were the goats that interfered with our favorable (inaudible) reporter who was just trying to do her job.


LINDA CARSON, REPORTER: The goats will be here through Saturday and they're very friendly. From the (inaudible) county fair, Linda Carson, ABC7, would you not eat my pants.


[22:00:07] COOPER: It's like the old saying goes, you can give a goat a paint brush just make sure you always watch your back on the Ridiculist.