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Jodi Arias Sentenced to Life without Parole; Letourneau, Off Sex Offender List Forever? Letourneau, Off Sex Offender List Forever?; Bobbi Kristina in Coma Still. Aired 9-10p ET

Aired April 13, 2015 - 21:00:00   ET

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DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST: Tonight, Mary Kay Letourneau, she married her sixth grade student, someone she knew since the second grade. She should

be a registered sex offender forever? I think so.

Plus, Bobbi Kristina Brown`s father breaks his silence about her coma and his heartache.

Let`s get started with the most tweeted story of the night, Jodi Arias. Jodi is back, sentenced to life imprisoned without the possibility of

parole. (INAUDIBLE) on both sides had their say in court and of course, so did Jodi. Jodi has to get in front of those cameras.

And here she addresses one of Travis` sister. Have a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JODI ARIAS, CONVICTED OF MURDER: What Samantha said was not accurate. I was not the one who refused to settle. It was Travis` family who not only

refused to settle but insisted on both trials but then they bragged about it all over social media, including posting of group photo on the steps of

this very court house, holding out of their thumbs down.

I did not drag Travis through the mud. I protected Travis` reputation for years. I kept his skeletons in the closet all to my own detriment for

years. I do remember the moment on the knife went into Travis` throat and he was still conscious.

He was still trying to attack me. It was I is trying to got away, not Travis and I finally id. The gunshot did not come last. It came first and

that is when Travis lunged at me, just as I testified to and just as the state`s own detective testified too years ago before he and (INAUDIBLE) got

together and decided to change their story for trial.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: Joining us, Judy Ho, clinical psychologist, professor of Pepperdine University, Mark Eiglarsh (INAUDIBLE), Vanessa Barnett,

hiphollywood.com and Kinsey Schofield who is in the court room today.

Kinsey, did I just hear Jodi like revamping her defense and like re- creating history? Is that what I was hearing?

KINSEY SCHOFIELD, ARIAS` TRIAL OBSERVER: Not only was she re-creating history but that was a complete slam at Sam who had earlier said that she

wishes -- she was haunted by his last moments. She wishes she knew more about his last moments and she would never know.

When Jodi gets up there and says "he was alive when I put the knife to his neck," which is the whole family -- I mean the whole room gasped when she

said that because it was such a heinous thing to say. These final moments when you`re supposed to be sincerely sorry, you are hurting the family

again and again. And it was such a heinous thing to do. It was disrespectful, it was nasty. She is a vile human being.

PINSKY: What was the -- I heard there was a bunch of Jodi supporters there. What was the mood like in the courtroom?

SCHOFIELD: I mean, I will tell you that the most sincere part, the most genuine part of the day was post-sentencing, Jodi turns around with a smile

on her face, that smug, nasty smile on her face, looks at the supporters, the family, after she`s been sentenced to life and her supporters start

yelling "we love you, Jodi." And (INAUDIBLE) a.k.a. my spirit animal yells "burn in hell" as she exits the courtroom, both her and Jodi exit the

courtroom.

It was the most -- you know, you felt all of the emotions. It was no one holding back. Although it`s probably deemed inappropriate, she was

speaking my mind.

PINSKY: So Kinsey, you almost yelled out the way Travis` sister, Tanisha, did, "burn in hell," that was in your mind at the same time?

SCHOFIELD: At least WTF.

PINSKY: Burn in hell covers all that. I`d say. That`s just about the right statement. Thank you, Kinsey. Really that sort of brings it to life

for us.

Mark, what about that revisionist history there? Really, you`re going to bring that in at the last minute? Do you think her attorneys advised her

to do that?

MARK EIGLARSH, ATTORNEY: Absolutely not. She`s calling the shots here. But let me ask you something, do we want to give her any more of our power

by spending any more time insulting her? She`s done.

You would expect nothing less. Anyone who is capable of slaughtering an innocent person like Travis the way that she did, then harming his memory

and his good name and his reputation the way that she did is capable of doing this in front of the judge, she`s done. What bothers me the most, is

that at no point was there never an offer to resolve this case to her giving up the right to an appeal and her then guaranteeing the sentence

that she got. We got nothing in return.

PINSKY: I don`t understand what that means. You mean, she can still appeal now or because she didn`t -- I don`t understand.

EIGLARSH: Oh, absolutely.

PINSKY: She can still appeal?

EIGLARSH: One hundred percent. Every issue. Absolutely. If she can`t afford it, a free law yer will be appointed to represent her. Absolutely.

PINSKY: Oh my god. What is wrong with our system? I know, good lord, Vanessa, that`s exactly right. In Jodi`s statement today she appeared to

regret what she did. Let`s take a look and see what she says.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ARIAS: To this day I can`t believe that I was capable of doing something that terrible. I can`t even -- I`m truly disgusted and I`m repulsed with

myself. I`m horrified because of what I did and I wish there was some way I could take it back.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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PINSKY: All right. So she`s sort of, sort of coming to what she did but it`s because of Travis, Vanessa, still because he was abusing me.

VANESSA BARNETT, HIPHOLLYWOOD.COM: Exactly.

PINSKY: Still that guy.

BARNETT: Is there such thing as a back-handed apology? That was one of the worst apologies I`ve ever heard. You moments ago said you stuck a

knife in this man`s neck while he was alive, then you want to flip it and say "I was an abused woman." Saying these things so callous and so wrong.

It`s very disgusting. It continues.

PINSKY: Yes. Judy, I see you smiling. I see behind that smile, the same thought I`m having is that slipperyness of the borderline and the

sociopathy. Nothing sticks. Nothing sticks. I mean it slips off them and it`s out there. It`s out there. It`s not in here.

JUDY HO, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: That`s right. That externalization of blame, Dr. Drew, "I`m sorry that you abused me so I had to kill you,"

right?

PINSKY: Right. That`s the thinking. That was her apology.

HO: Yes.

PINSKY: In her statement today, she insisted again and again, that Travis was abusive. Here it is again.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ARIAS: Maybe I wasn`t as badly abused as Travis and his siblings were by their parents. But I didn`t consider abuse either. I didn`t consider

being beaten and hit and all those things, abused. That was discipline in my family. That`s how my parents were disciplined by their parents.

That`s why I didn`t consider those things abuse. I understand now that that`s abuse.

So for Samantha that I was not a victim of abuse is wrong. Because I was. My family understands that now. They did the best they could. They didn`t

do it because they`re bad parents. They did it because they thought that they were disciplining us. That`s the best they knew how.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: Right. My parents abused me, that`s why I`m crazy. But Travis` parents, they`re bad. That`s what made him such an abusive guy. More of

that externalizing and placing blame outside of her body in other people. It`s crazy. Judy, don`t you agree there?

HO: Oh, my goodness, yes, now she`s blaming her parents for the fact that she was able to withstand the amount of abuse by Travis because she had

been exposed to it before. Then she comes back and says but "you know, my parents did the best that they could."

Again, playing the victim role, that sort of elevating herself above all of this. That`s all fake, Dr. Drew. None of this is real. She has no real

empathy.

PINSKY: No. Of course not.

HO: Her emotions are not genuine.

PINSKY: Now we can see it. Now the emperor has no clothes. Go ahead, Mark.

EIGLARSH: She also knew she was going to get a life sentence. She knew that. She`s preparing for life on the inside. The other people in prison,

some of them have really gone through some hideous upbringings. She wants to align herself and play the victim card as much as she can so that she`s

the empress inside.

PINSKY: She is a chess player when it comes to her manipulation. She could be thinking that (INAUDIBLE).

Kenzie, I`m just wondering -- I want to go back to you. What went on in that courtroom when she was spouting off all that nonsense?

SCHOFIELD: You could hear us gasping. I mean at one point I was waiting for the no gallery reaction warning. I was just, ah! We really expected

this to be the moment where she said, "I am so sincerely sorry, what I did was wrong. Please just -- please spare me."

PINSKY: Hang on. Kenzie, listen to Kenzie acting sincere. It`s ten times more sincere than Jodi`s attempt at sincerity. It`s incredible. Just

hearing you say what you would have liked to have heard from her is ten times more gratifying than what we got.

SCHOFIELD: Well, you know, I`m watching some of these clips that you have picked. The only two times she said anything kind. You know, she talked

for a long time. Actually, Dr. Drew, she had only planned to say five sentences but she sat there and got her panties in a bunch over what the

siblings said and then jumped out. Her ego is out of control. She completely changed the agenda and had to react to what the siblings said.

PINSKY: Well, thank you, Kensie. I appreciate it. Hal, hold on.

Next, Jodi`s mom, the one we`re blaming for Jodi`s condition, she was the killer`s only relative in court today. You`ll hear from her and why she

was the only one there. Telling.

Later, Mary Kay Letourneau and her sixth grade student have been married for 10 years. What are they saying about their relationship tonight? Back

after this.

UNIDENTIFED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) with the "Daily Share" at this hour.

As April 15 draws near, many Americans are dreading having to pay what else? Taxes.

But perhaps none as much as Joyce Bucklin. You see she logged into her computer and saw she had a tax bill for a staggering $43 million.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JOYCE BUCKLIN: I have never seen that much money in all of my life. All my friends together and I couldn`t possibly come up with something like

that.

UNIDENTIFED MALE: The service fee alone was close to a cool million. She called the IRS though and they told her it was probably a computer mistake

and it would likely correct itself when she made her normal payment.

Elsewhere in the nation`s capital, a lockdown at the White House was triggered by a rambunctious four-year-old. The child climbed under a

temporary bike rack, causing the building to close for a few minutes.

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TRAVIS: Certainly the best times are when we just for frickin` romp sessions. Just like go forever.

JODI: There`s been a few times that I`ve been bold enough to pull you on to the bed and start.

I asked him if I could do this in the shower and he was like, no.

And I was like "I just have an idea. a couple of ideas."

UNIDENTIFED MALE: Would you agree you`re the person that actually slit Mr. Alexander`s throat from ear to ear?

ARIAS: Yes.

I do remember the moment when the knife went into Travis` throat and he was conscious.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: Back with Judy, Mark and Vanessa, life without parole for Jodi Arias.

Vanessa, what will we figure life will be like for Jodi from now on?

BARNETT: Essentially she`ll be away from everyone. She spends 23 hours a day just by herself. She only gets one hour to kind of work out or do

whatever in the exercise room. And then she can work up to maybe 12 channels of TV, a little radio. And get this, she is auctioning off her

glasses from the first trial. The ones everyone was talking.

PINSKY: When you say she`s down there 23 hours, if she has access to a computer, I`m scared, I`m freightened by her fans that are out there, her

sick fans --

BARNETT: Absolutely.

PINSKY: What suitors are going to come her way. God only knows what those guys are going to be like.

BARNETT: She feeds off of this, she needs this energy. She loves the attention. It`s scary.

PINSKY: It`s so sad.

BARNETT: She gets to be herself in jail.

PINSKY: Yes, it`s so sad because Travis had to suffer like that, his family had to suffer like that and still, she goes on and on and on.

Jodi`s mother was the only family member to show up and speak today. She claimed financial hardship and her husband`s health (INAUDIBLE) that was

true. Her dad was sick. Those were the reasons that she was the only representative. She defended Jodi. Take a look.

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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Growing up she strived to become a successful, giving, loving, honest person. And she stumbled on the worst mistake of

her life. This mistake tried to berate her, tried to make her feel look a nobody, tried to take away her pride.

When Jodi`s life was at stake, she defended herself and decided she was not ready to leave this world. They can cage her, they can strip her of her

rights but they can`t take away one thing, her beautiful soul.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: Judy, that was such a -- I`m sorry, mom, but that was such a disorganized sort of statement. We have the weird pictures of Jodi Arias

in front of everybody as a little girl. That mom was the same mom that was saying, oh, my god, how could somebody do something like this? How is it

possible that somebody lies like that and plans and executes someone like this?

HO: Right. Dr. Drew, now that she`s had some time to deal with all of this and take it in, as a mother, she is doing what she thinks is the

right thing to do.

PINSKY: But --

HO: Which is to defend her daughter in public.

PINSKY: Even that`s -- oh, look, Mark, wait a minute. Hold on a second. Mark Eiglarsh, is there a fog moving in? Is that covering the mom, too,

now? I haven`t seen the fog in a couple of years. It`s good to see it back. I think -- have you bought a new piece of equipment? Because it`s

much better than the last one.

EIGLARSH: No. Thank you for acknowledging my equipment. Listen, Drew. The only reason the fog is coming back candidly, is because the mother, not

just in what she said in court, but more significantly what she said outside of court where she said "my daughter won`t be able to walk down the

aisle and get married was insensitive," at best --

PINSKY: Yes.

EIGLARSH: And disturbing and repugnant at worse.

PINSKY: Yes.

EIGLARSH: Her timing was off. She`s knee deep in a fog herself.

PINSKY: Is that what we have up here in this little piece of tape? Is that what we`re going to show right now? Can I show that? Let`s see this.

Let`s see the mom outside the courtroom.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I hope the Alexander family can find some peace and our family. It`s been rough on our family, too. Jodi always tried to help

people less fortunate than her, even through school. She always found the kid that was being picked on and whatever and stood up for them and helped

them. She`s done that all through her life. She`s always helped people less fortunate.

You dream of your daughter becoming a mom, walking down that aisle as a bride. Jodi`s never going to see that. That`s very hard for me, because I

come from a big family. My husband comes from a big family. And Jodi`s not going to have the chance to ever experience that.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: And Mark, whatever Jodi`s family suffered was of course at the hands of Jodi. It`s because of Jodi that they`re suffering.

EIGLARSH: Yes, listen, this proves very clearly that the poisonous fruit does not fall far from the poisonous tree.

BARNETT: Yes.

PINSKY: And Judy, you were sort of shrugging your shoulders?

HO: Dr. Drew. I mean, you can see where the narcissism comes from really, somebody is murdered and you`re talking about how sad you`re going to be

because you come from a big family and you won`t be able to see your murderer daughter walk down the aisle?

PINSKY: Wouldn`t the appropriate thing would have been to sit there and go, I`m just so glad this is over. I`m so sorry for that family. I`m

mortified that this ever happened. I`m in pain too. Please don`t forget. That`s OK to notify people that but don`t let`s get into "oh, poor Jodi.

Poor Jodi."

HO: Right. Clearly this entire family has no boundaries, Dr. Drew. She did learn that from somewhere.

PINSKY: Travis` younger sister, Samantha -- she was actually sobbing. Samantha was the one I identified so strongly with during the original

trial. I think she`s a policeman, if I remember correct. She was sobbing as she gave her impact statement. Have a look at this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SAMANTHA: With great sacrifice and pain to myself I`ve done my best to block my brother from my life. It hurts too much to remember him alive.

Because as I remember him, I remember how he was brutally taken from us and I can`t handle it.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: And there`s another layer to this. In her statement to the judge, Travis` sister, Tanisha, talked about how she didn`t expect to be

victimized not just by Jodi but Jodi`s supporters. Take a look at this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`ve continually been harassed by a small group of people that, in my mind, are just as evil as the one who has done this.

These people who support her actions and send me pictures of my brother`s dead body in his autopsy photos, his blackened face and his slit throat to

my e-mail and my Facebook page.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: Mark, it`s so heartbreaking to hear this family at the podium there. Are they now -- are they literally going to have to suffer through

multiple appeals? Will they have to turn up in order to make sure that none of these appeals are successful? Are they going to have to go through

more?

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EIGLARSH: The good news is, no. They won`t be involved in that process. That`s just written briefs that go to different layers of the appellate

court. But they do have to know that there is a chance that if the appellate court finds any of the judge`s decisions were erroneous, meaning

they weren`t correct and that it affected the trial, this could come back on appeal.

PINSKY: Vanessa, what is with these people on the internet, these trolls that are going around defending Jodi and identifying with her and taking

aim at this poor family. What kind -- I mean, I can`t even imagine that.

BARNETT: It`s just disgusting. This goes past bullying and the things that we`ve heard of. This is just another level of disgusting. It`s

intentional. These people that do it probably don`t even believe what they`re saying to these people. They probably don`t even believe Jodi

Arias. I think they`re just trying to inflict pain on these people because of the pain that they probably feel in their own personal lives.

PINSKY: Schadenfreude. Schadenfreude, everybody, it`s making other people feel bad, making you feel good.

All right. Let me try to close this chapter. I`m hoping we are done with Jodi Arias. Don`t you all think that we had enough Jodi Arias and now

isn`t it clear -- it was unclear, I was giving a little bit of the benefit of the doubt when we started this trial long ago. But now it`s clear what

we are dealing with.

Yes, she had a certain kind of personality disorder, a personality disorder associated with bad boundaries, emotional ability, chaos in relationships,

not violence. Not violence. Psychopathy is what causes that cold-blooded pre-meditated violence. So she had a personality disorder, it`s pretty

common these days. A lot of people suffer with that. Some mild extent, some severe.

Remember as we were trying to teach our viewers the borderline personality disorder, people that have that condition can be great, can live long,

productive lives without any major incidences in their lives. Psychopaths feel entitled. They feel entitled to hear all that entitlements, to hear

all that blame.

So it`s two things. It`s the externalization, the projected identification of her feelings out into the world. They`re not hers, they`re yours. You

make her this way. All of us. And now it`s each of us fault, not hers. And then the psychopathy, not even caring that there`s another person at

the end of her pistol, at the other end of her knife handle.

Now, we are going to switch gears and talk about Mary Kay Letourneau, a registered sex offender. She tells us in her own words, why that should

change?

And later, Bobby Brown speaks publicly for the first time about his daughter, Bobbi Kristina`s coma. Back after this.

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PINSKY: Mary Kay Letourneau and her much, much younger husband reveal details about their 10-year marriage, their family, that student-teacher

sex scandal that shocked the country.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What she did was disgusting. She was a child predator.

PINSKY: She`s a convicted sex offender but trying to remove her name off the sex offender registry.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Can I say hell no?

PINSKY: Yes, you can.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s how I feel.

MARY KAY LETOURNEAU, REGISTERED SEX OFFENDER: There wasn`t anything in my mind that thought this was a felony and you`re risking your children.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I mean you can see from this, Dr. Drew, that she`s obviously mentally disturb, period, right?

UNIDENTIFED MALE: Your daughters are how old?

UNIDENTIFED MALE: Nine and 7.

UNIDENTIFED MALE: Do they both know this whole story?

LETOURNEAU: Mommy went for a time-out, a long time-out.

UNIDENTIFED MALE: While I was watching that, Dr. Drew, I was like am i watching a 16-year-old?

PINSKY: Right.

Before we move on this to this next story. I need to make a correction from the last segment, identified Travis` sister as Samantha. It was not

Samantha that we showed, it was Hillary. Our apologies for that.

To bring in Mark, Judy, Vanessa and in this segment, we`re calling WTF, a topic dominating the conversation on Twitter, on Facebook.

Mary Kay Letourneau went to prison for sleeping with her sixth grade student. She came out, hooked up with him again, went back to prison.

She`s now married and been so for 10 years, they have teenage daughters. They spoke to ABC`s Barbara Walters. Take a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BARBARA WALTERS, ABC HOST: What`s the marriage like? Fill me in.

LETOURNEAU: It`s marriage. It`s more taking care of the children.

WALTERS: Have they been 10 good years?

VILI FUALAAU, HUSBAND OF LETOURNEAU: You have your ups and downs in marriages. What matters is how you pull through.

WALTERS: I want to ask you what I asked you 10 years ago, was it worth it?

LETOURNEAU: Where I am today, where we are today, and our children, my older children, yes.

WALTERS: If one of your daughters came to you and said, I`m sleeping with my teacher, what would you say?

FUALAAU: What?

WALTER: What? OK.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: All right. Vanessa, do you think people really understood -- the viewers understood what they were seeing there? I know Barbara was very

skeptical. She talked about it on "The View" the next day. There`s so much -- even those questions we just heard answered there was so much going

on underground, how`s your marriage? Well, it`s marriage. What are you going to do? What the hell was that?

BARNETT: It was disturbing and depressing. Not only do they seem like the saddest couple I have ever seen, we can`t forget that she is a child

predator.

PINSKY: For sure. Yes.

BARNETT: She abused this boy several times and then has somehow coerced him into this marriage that he clearly does not want to be in. And then

she wants us to then celebrate her 10-year anniversary and let her off the sex offender`s list? I don`t understand how she can process this.

PINSKY: Yes, it`s ridiculous.

Barbara Walters also talked to the couple about their children. Take a look at this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

LETOURNEAU: There was never a sitdown chat. Now is the time we`re going to talk to our children about this. They seem to already know.

WALTERS: Have your girls been bullied or teased because of your relationship?

FUALAAU: No.

WALTERS: Who is stricter, mom or dad?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mom.

WALTERS: Do you know the story of how they met?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, I do. I do.

LETOURNEAU: One of our daughters just out of the blue said, you know, your and daddy`s relationship -- it would be OK in whatever country. I was

like, you`re right.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: What is she talking about? These daughters are 16 and 17 now. And yet Mark we have to wish this marriage survives on behalf of those

kids.

EIGLARSH: We do? OK, I guess we do.

PINSKY: Well, they may want it to survive anyway.

EIGLARSH: Really? Look, we don`t know what`s going on. Maybe they are happy, joyous and free.

PINSKY: No.

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EIGLARSH: . when they`re not on camera. Because they look miserable. And we can`t forget that he was the same age as my oldest, we`re preparing for

bar mitzvahs, wondering if the up-charge on the lamb chop is worth it and I need your advise on that, Drew. But he`s 13. I can`t imagine if one of

his teachers did that to my son.

PINSKY: Imagine.

EIGLARSH: It`s sick.

PINSKY: It`s sick.

EIGLARSH: I can`t imagine. I can`t imagine.

PINSKY: This man`s daughter --

BARNETT: I`d kill her.

PINSKY: Vanessa, you`d just claw her eyes out perhaps. But that man`s daughters are significantly older and significantly more developed than he

was when this all went down. And I would say, Judy, that those daughters are significantly more emotionally developed than the mom. The mom

manifests some features that are rather telling, the look of surprise and bewilderment that she has all the time, that`s actually a syndrome that

people have.

If you close your eyes and listen to her voice, she sounds like a 12-year- old. She literally perceives herself as the same age as the sixth grader, and so was bewildered when people considered it a felony when she did what

she did with that child and she would do so again today.

HO: That`s right, Dr. Drew. You`re speaking about her doe-eyed look that she has whenever she was talking to Barbara Walters. As if she has no idea

what was going on, trying to explain it away with cultural differences that actually don`t even make sense or exists. And this is her presentation,

Dr. Drew, inside she might feel like a little girl. That`s why she`s attracted, possibly to other people who seem on the same developmental

level with her.

PINSKY: Yes, that`s why.

HO: But that does not excuse it.

PINSKY: Right. It doesn`t excuse it. Mark, what?

EIGLARSH: Drew, let me ask you this -- it`s not a challenge, it`s a question to you. You just said it emphatically she would do it again.

PINSKY: Yes.

EIGLARSH: How do we know that? I just want to throw it out there, devil`s advocate. Maybe you`re right. I don`t want her to get into a classroom.

PINSKY: Right.

EIGLARSH: But maybe she got the one that she wanted. Maybe now she`s happy. I know people are rolling their eyes.

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PINSKY: She`s looking for happiness. She`s acting out a traumatic reenactment is literally what she`s doing. It may -- the circumstances of

her life may be sufficiently different than perhaps she wouldn`t do it again but there`s too much risk that she might is what I`m saying.

And because she`s still so underdeveloped, the same phenomenon is there that was there when she perpetrated these things. And so her coming off

this list, as Crystal said, how about no. She talked to "20/20" about another thing, which is also -- you guys remember what Jody Arias was

saying -- this will sound very familiar to you her, to you guys.

Now she`s saying it`s the media`s fault, it`s your fault, all of you watching fault. Remember Jodi doing this? Now here`s Mary Kay Letourneau.

Take a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MARY KAY LETOURNEAU, REGISTERED SEX OFFENCER: I don`t know if enough time will ever pass where it will take away what the media did to our story.

Because it was so big and they ran with it so fast. There`s a story of us that has a life of its own but it`s not our story.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: OK. Let me figure out what that story might be. Oh, yes, -- Vanessa, she slept with a 12-year-old. I think that`s what the story was

that had a life of its own, isn`t?

BARNETT: I mean, did you see him during that interview? He didn`t believe that crock of crap that she was trying to sell. You slept with a 12-year-

old. This isn`t rocket science. It`s not hard to understand why this is wrong.

PINSKY: Right. And -- and that kid who was 12 when he was abused has struggled throughout this 10-year marriage and really his whole adult life.

We`ll tell you why and later, Bobbi Kristina`s father says he is leaving his daughter in god`s hands. We`ll discuss what that means, after this.

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ANNOUNCER: She was his sixth grade teacher. He was her 12-year-old student. By the time Vili Fulaau was 13, 35-year-old Mary Kay Letourneau

was pregnant with his child. She pleaded guilty to child rape and spent 80 days behind bars.

But just weeks after her release, she became pregnant again. Letourneau was sent back to jail, this time for seven years. Ten months after her

release, the headline-making lovers married.

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PINSKY: Back with Judy, Mark and Vanessa. Mary Kay Letourneau, now 53, her former sixth-grade student became her husband. He`s now 31.

"20/20`s" Barbara Walters asked Letourneau about her status as a registered sex offender. Take a look.

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BARBARA WALTERS, ABC HOST: Because of your relationship, you are a registered sex offender. Even as I say that, I`m shocked myself. Does

this affect your life now in any way?

LETOURNEAU: It`s not part of our daily life where we think about it, although recently I said, oh, it`s been 10 years, why don`t I lift that.

There`s a process, there`s a form, you take it to the court and then they grant it if it looks like it should be granted.

WALTERS: Are you going to do that?

LETOURNEAU: Yes.

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PINSKY: Mark, if she were your client, how would you argue this?

EIGLARSH: First I`d get paid up front, just so we`re clear.

PINSKY: (INAUDIBLE) dude.

EIGLARSH: Second, I would do it like I have done it before. I`ve had clients that they get evaluated by experts who will say they`re no longer a

danger to the community, the risk of recidivism is extremely low and I`d also point out one thing that troubles me. This does bother me.

Apparently her teenage daughter was in the hospital. She wasn`t allowed to go there because she`s a registered sex offender. I don`t know that the

answer is setting aside her sexual offender designation.

PINSKY: Right.

EIGLARSH: But it does lie in maybe making an exception for a visit in the hospital.

PINSKY: All right. But put your fog machine on. I can`t stand to look at you making those kinds of nasty defenses. Go ahead, Judy, what do you want

to say?

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HO: I just wanted Mark to know that I will not be doing an evaluation like that in his favor. So he`ll have to retain another psychologist to make

the opinion that --

PINSKY: Hold on.

EIGLARSH: I`ll pay you double.

PINSKY: Wait a minute. Mark could pay someone to give the opinion he wants to hear? Is that how the legal system works?

EIGLARSH: Stop it. Move on, Drew.

PINSKY: Oh, my gosh.

HO: Aye-yah-yah.

PINSKY: All right. Barbara Walters spoke to the husband, Vili Fulaau, about -- now, listen, his depression. He`s not unlike all of the other

male victims of childhood sexual abuse. Depression. Take a look.

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WALTERS: It`s not been an easy road for you. You suffered from depression, yes?

FULAAU: It`s a feeling -- it`s like there`s hopelessness. You just feel like you can`t do anything. Like nobody understands you. You can`t talk

to anyone. I wish I just had a little bit of better guidance through everything. It was kind of like -- it was really confusing to me.

We`re going to label this kid as a victim and we`re going to make this woman an example for all other teachers who try to go down the same path.

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PINSKY: Judy, he`s no different than any other object of sexual abuse. At that age, mood disturbances, personality disorders, criminality,

substances, as I said, mood, all is off. And listen, just think about it this way, when he`s 13 and his teacher has seduced him, who does he go to?

Does he go to his parents? Tell his parents that happened? Does he go to his 12-year-old peers? What good are they to him? How does anybody help

that kid? He said he wished he had better guidance. I wish he had treatment when he was eight.

HO: That`s right, Dr. Drew. At that age of 13, we talked about this all the time, there is no executive function frontal lobe development.

PINSKY: Right. That`s right.

HO: Really, he`s being led into this relationship while he`s dealing with all his own emotional struggles. In some ways she gave him exactly what he

wanted which is that reassurance that somehow he is good enough, right?

PINSKY: Manipulation.

HO: Yes.

PINSKY: Talked him in so she could give -- Vanessa, you`re sounding a little bit upset by this. Imagine this is your child.

BARNETT: He won`t be forever depressed. He is basically being held captive by his abuser. I don`t understand -- I just feel for this guy.

You know he says he wishes he had guidance.

PINSKY: Can you bring Judy up alongside Vanessa with me in there because Vanessa just said something very, very profound. Don`t you think, Judy?

HO: Absolutely.

PINSKY: He is being held captive by his abuser, being re-traumatized over and over and over again.

BARNETT: Every day. How will he get healed? He`s also an alcoholic as well, right?

PINSKY: I`ve heard there`s a substance problem. And again, that`s what we expect from kids like that. What we don`t know is whether these

perpetrators -- allegedly, with these perpetrators we don`t know if they take their victims based on kids that are at risk for all the stuff we see

later. They certainly don`t help these kids. That`s for sure. Or do they actually inject trauma to the point that they really make these kids

unstable?

Mark, last uncomment.

EIGLARSH: He was the perfect victim. No father on the scene, a mother with whom he had a horrible relationship. This woman comes in like the

mother figure, if you will. Continues to play that role. And he finds the love or what he thinks is the unconditional love he never had before.

PINSKY: There we go. We have the two manipulative ladies in our stories, one right after the other, one a psychopath, that`s not this one, that`s

Jodi. This one, also a trauma survivor, underdeveloped dangerous person in her own right. Maybe going to perpetrate again? I understand she needs

dispensation for their own teenage daughters. I just hope those girls -- they look good, they certainly look healthier than their parents. I hope

they move out soon from their parents` home and go to college and thrive. But understand your parents are locked into a relationship that is based on

a hostage circumstance, basically.

Next up, has Bobby Brown given up on his daughter who is still in a coma, still in essentially sort of a suspended state? Now, if you want to see

more about this story and others, follow us on Facebook. Of course, we always have our after-show there. We`ll join you there.

Facebook.com/drdrewhln. Be right back.

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PINSKY: They love Bobbi Kristina, they want her to recover. She`s not going to.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They look comfortable. They look peaceful. Actually, there`s nothing peaceful about being on life support. There`s so

much things going on. Actually, the patient can be in a lot of pain and can be suffering.

PINSKY: It`s not sleeping beauty. It`s something far more gruesome.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: All the stages of grief cannot start until this family lets go of her physically.

PINSKY: If you back off some of these support measures, god will take her instead of us playing god.

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PINSKY: Time for celebrity behavior, back with Judy, Mark, Vanessa and Alice Benjamin, a clinical nurse specialist, back with me.

Bobby Brown made his first public appearance since his daughter, Bobbi Kristina was hospitalized. Take a look.

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BOBBY BROWN, FATHER OF BOBBI KRISTINA: I want to thank all of you all for coming out tonight. You know, supporting me and my family. You know,

rough times are rough times. Hard times are hard times. I don`t know what the hell I`m going through right now but I`m giving it to god and letting

him deal with it.

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PINSKY: All right.

Alice, I want you to help me out here. I have such -- when people say they want to give it up to god, I`m all for that. So those of us like you and

me who are clinicians, keeping these people alive artificially can then give it up to god and let god take over instead of us playing god and being

god and controlling when somebody lives or dies. That`s not giving up to god or an alternative measure would be to help people understand that maybe

they should listen to the god-given skills that the physicians and nurses have and then take their opinion. Take their recommendations to do what

god has entrusted them with.

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ALICE BENJAMIN, R.N., CLINICAL NURSE SPECIALIST: Absolutely, Dr. Drew. I can imagine, Bobby Brown is faced with a very difficult decision. And you

know, I`m actually a little relieved to hear him say that he`s willing to give it to god. Because, you know, I can imagine being a parent and having

to make such a heartwrenching decision. But giving it to god is really what I would like to see in this situation.

PINSKY: But I don`t think they`re doing that. I think they`re -- that they mean, Vanessa -- I think, you`re hearing what I`m hearing. Give it to

god means we`re going to make sure god brings her back to us, we`re going to make sure that a miracle develops here.

BARNETT: No, that`s not what I`m thinking.

PINSKY: You don`t hear that?

BARNETT: No. This is what -- OK. When someone says I`m giving it to god, you know, I`m a believer of the let go, let god. I believe that`s what

he`s saying. He`s not doing anything. He`s not going to take her off the machine. He`s not going to fight to keep her on the machine. He`s

literally going to let go, let god, whatever happens happens.

PINSKY: Wait a minute. That`s not what is happening. Because the Alice and Dr. Drews of the world have to stay actively engaged in keeping her

alive, we`re not letting god because god will let her go.

We are very active, Vanessa in keeping her alive. That`s not letting god.

BARNETT: The doctors are active but Bobby Brown has now come to almost a level of peace.

PINSKY: Oh, I don`t --

BARNETT: I`m OK with whatever direction god takes this.

PINSKY: Mark, go ahead.

BARNETT: I really believe that`s what he`s saying.

PINSKY: OK. Mark, go ahead.

EIGLARSH: Drew, I agree with you. What I`m hearing is let go, let science. I`m not blaming him. I`m telling you right now for just a brief

moment I put myself in his shoes.

PINSKY: Yes, I know.

EIGLARSH: That will be the moment, if god forbid I`m in that position, that will be the most ignorant I will ever be. I will think erroneously

that there is some miracle --

PINSKY: Yes.

EIGLARSH: Some miracle that applies to this case and let god make that happen.

PINSKY: After 90 days or so, it sorts of sinks in, the reality. Alice, before we go to break.

BENJAMIN: Well, it`s been a long time. I think this is the first -- I think Bobby Brown is actually perhaps coming to terms with it. It`s a

difficult decision to make. But to begin with that decision, I think he will be more inclined to hear the clinicians and listen to us.

PINSKY: OK. I hope you`re right. I really hope you are right. Because (INAUDIBLE) regardless of what he decides, he is suffering. There`s no

doubt about that.

Next up, you guys have been sending me information about a woman who gives birth while in a coma and then comes out of that coma. We`ll talk about

the fact that there are comas and that there are comas. They`re very different. Back after this.

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PINSKY: These are hopeless situations that only delay the inevitable and cause agony and suffering for the patient.

It`s the cruellest thing I could possibly do. It`s cruel. You talk about playing god. That`s playing god, everybody. That`s how we play god, not

by withdrawing care but by keeping people in suspended animation for extended periods of time.

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PINSKY: Back with Judy, Mark, Vanessa and Alice. I guess I made that point before. Lots of you are tweeting me about a woman who unlike Bobbi

Kristina woke up from a coma after four months. This woman was 26 weeks pregnant when she got into a car accident. She was unresponsive since

December but the entire time was able to breathe on her own. Meaning this is an entirely different sort of a brain injury. Doctors delivered the

two-pound baby via C-section.

The baby came early suggesting that maybe there was a placental problem, maybe the medication they were giving her to protect her brain necessitated

the delivery. They gave the mother 10 percent chance of recovery. Her family moved her to a rehabilitation facility. Last week, she opened her

eyes and was able to respond to stimuli.

Listen, what the doctors were saying was it`s a 10 percent chance of meaningful recovery. I would not want them to push me through that.

Because what you`re going to end up with is somebody who can barely reach for a glass of water, barely answer simple questions. Probably not be able

to get out of bed. Maybe a 10 percent chance, one out of 10 chance of something moderately better than that. But the probability -- so people

this is a whole different situation.

In Bobbi Kristina`s case, there`s almost no brain function. Things like breathing and swallowing all out and out for good. Alice, have I stated

this in a way, you think, people can understand the difference?

BENJAMIN: Absolutely. Bobbi Kristina is in a whole different boat as far as her injury. This woman that was in this car accident, you know, she`s

young. There`s potential for her to recover, more so than Bobbi Kristina.

PINSKY: Yes.

BENJAMIN: However, there`s still going to be some deficits, Dr. Drew. Let`s just be very honest.

PINSKY: They could be profound to the point where I would not want to come through it. I just wouldn`t want to. I`ve seen what it`s like, I know

what it`s like to come through massive brain injury when people are given little chance of meaningful recovery. That`s because they have little

chance of meaningful recovery and even the recovery that is good, it`s not that good.

Vanessa, a lot of people ask me what is brain death? Is that something you wondered about?

BARNETT: Well, I feel like I`ve heard before that there are comas and there are comas.

PINSKY: Right.

BARNETT: I feel like I heard that somewhere before.

PINSKY: That`s OK. Brain death is not coma. Brain death is brain death. That`s with multiple clinicians examining the central nervous system where

there are no reflexes. If you`ve seen a person that`s brain dead, it looks totally different than anything any one has ever seen. It`s a dead person.

Mark? EIGLARSH: I think that Bobby Brown is just ignoring his decision. He

doesn`t want to make it. So the question becomes, to you, when will the machines no longer work? Can this just go on?

PINSKY: It can go on for -- listen, people can keep people alive -- I used to say I can keep people alive just indefinitely with all the technologies

we have. But it gets worse and worse for the patient contracturing, skin breakdown, recurrent pneumonia. It takes years for them ultimately to

succumb.

"Forensic Files" starts immediately following this program. See you next time.

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