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Gun In San Francisco Murder Stolen From Fed Agent; Did Trump Lash Out at Critic For Being in Wheelchair? "Glitch" Cripples New York Stock Exchange For Hours. Aired 7-8:00p ET
Aired July 8, 2015 - 19:00 ET
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[19:00:07] ERIN BURNETT, CNN ANCHOR: OUTFRONT tonight, the weapon that killed a young San Francisco woman stolen just days earlier from a federal agent's car. How did the killer get that gun?
Plus, breaking news. Baltimore's police commissioner fired. Why did the city's mayor suddenly fire her one time ally?
And investigators scouring former Subway Spokesman Jared Fogle's computer records. What are they looking for? Let's go OUTFRONT.
Good evening. I'm Erin Burnett. OUTFRONT tonight, the murder weapon. CNN has learned that the gun used to kill 32-year-old Kate Steinle belonged to a federal agent. It was a 40 caliber pistol and it was stolen just days before Steinle was allegedly shot to death by an undocumented immigrant. Now, Steinle was out for a walk with her father on a San Francisco pier when she was shot. Dying as her father desperately tried to save her life. The man charged with her murder is Juan Francisco Lopez Sanchez, the illegal immigrant and convicted felon, had been deported five times already.
He admits to firing the gun. He said it was an accident though and he denied stealing it saying, he found it on the night of the shooting wrapped in a t-shirt lying on the ground. Sanchez has been convicted of felonies not once, not twice but seven times. And this case might just be the tip of the iceberg. John Walsh of "THE HUNT" joins me in just a moment.
First though, Kyung Lah is outfront tonight in San Francisco. And Kyung, I know you have new information about how that gun may have gotten into the killer's hands.
KYUNG LAH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Erin, this all began as a simple car break in. But that car belonged to a law enforcement officer. Inside that vehicle was his government-issued gun. That gun winding its way here to this pier, eventually used in that awful murder.
LAH (voice-over): A gut turning twist about the gun that divers recovered. The one used to kill 32-year-old Katherine Steinle. The government issued weapon belonged to a federal agent with the Bureau of Land Management. The federal agency says, the weapon was stolen from the officer's car while he was on business in San Francisco on June 27the. The theft was immediately reported. Four days later, the 40 caliber handgun somehow found its way to Pier 14, into the hands of Juan Francisco Lopez-Sanchez, the man the San Francisco mayor says should never have been on the streets.
MAYOR ED LEE (D), SAN FRANCISCO: Is this a gap? Do I need to educate somebody about how to pick up a phone?
LAH: The mayor is talking about San Francisco Sheriff Ross Mirkarimi. It was his county jail that last housed Lopez-Sanchez, transferred from a federal prison to face a 20-year-old felony marijuana charge. Immigration and customs enforcement says, they issued a request to the sheriff to notify them when Lopez-Sanchez, who has seven felony convictions, would be released so they could deport him for the sixth time. But under San Francisco's so-called sanctuary law, the sheriff says, he could only notify the Feds with a court order or warrant, neither of which was issued. So, he let the alleged killer go.
HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I have absolutely no support for a city that ignores the strong evidence that should be acted on.
LAH: Outrage from Hillary Clinton, Dianne Feinstein to Republicans Jeb Bush and Donald Trump, echoed locally by the mayor.
LEE: I think a simple phone call is not prohibited at all.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So very plainly, Mr. Mayor, you're putting this on the feet of the sheriff?
LEE: Well, I'm saying that that is one of the key things that I'm looking at. But I'm also looking at why the Feds in the first place didn't deport this person again. That's got to call you into question about what the heck the federal government is doing on this as well.
LAH: And we did reach out to the sheriff today. We are told by his office that he would not immediately be speaking. But he is planning a news conference tomorrow. We anticipate Erin, that he may be releasing new information about this suspect -- Erin.
BURNETT: All right. Kyung Lah, thank you very much. Live in San Francisco tonight. John Walsh, host of "THE HUNT" is now with me OUTFRONT. And John, all right, so you heard now that they're saying, the gun in the shooting was stolen from a federal agent who works with the Bureau of Land Management. He reported the gun stolen out of his car. Sanchez says he found it wrapped inside a t-shirt lying on the ground. Do you buy it?
JOHN WALSH, CNN HOST, "THE HUNT": I don't buy it. I mean, first of all, the guy has been convicted of seven felonies. So, it's not like he is the minister at the local church and he tells the truth all the time and he has a great background.
WALSH: So, I have learned over the years, chasing fugitives for 25-plus years, that they don't tell the truth all the time. But of course, the real point is here, it doesn't matter how or where he got the gun. What was he doing there on that pier after he has been deported from the United States five times and convicted of seven felonies? What do you have to do before somehow this federal government and state and local law enforcement decide that we need to track these guys? We need to kick them out and if they come back, we need to punish them for that.
[19:05:21] BURNETT: This is something you have dealt with personally when you talk about crime and immigration. You fought and won to get a list of sex offenders in America.
WALSH: Yes. It took almost four years to get the Adam Walsh act through Congress.
BURNETT: Named after your son.
WALSH: After my murdered son Adam. Because over the years, I learned that convicted sex offenders, level three, the most violent, the rapist and the repeat offender, pedophile were at large. And that the Justice Department had informed me that there were over 100,000 of them that had broken their parole or probation. So, there was no way of tracking them. So, they signed the Adam Walsh act, bipartisan bill --
WALSH: -- although it took four years to get through Congress, like everything crawls through Congress. And President Bush signed it. So, now you are able to find out by a federal sex offender registry and there are one in every state --
WALSH: -- if convicted American felon, sex offender is living next door.
BURNETT: But not an illegal immigrant?
WALSH: Not an illegal immigrant. So, how could a country that can put a mars rover on Mars to send back pictures of ice crystals at a cost of $44 billion not be able to track convicted felons, especially sex offenders, especially illegal aliens sex offenders who have gotten into this country and broken the law, raped our women or hurt our children, molested our children and then are released into society? Just let go.
WALSH: Whether it's by locals, police or by ICE.
BURNETT: It's a shocking thing that they're not on that list. And it goes beyond that. Because you have dealt with other cases. You actually tracked down a man who had I believe been in and out of jail nearly 20 times, killed six people.
WALSH: Never forget him. Resendez Ramirez (ph), the -- serial killer. Between the back end of the '80s up until 1999, he killed 15 people in the United States. They've estimate that he was released and put in and released from 17 to 20 jails in the United States. He had been actually deported over five times. He just kept coming back in, killing people near railroad yards, riding the railroad cars back to the border in Texas and going over and hiding out in Mexico.
BURNETT: So, why is this happening? I mean, because everybody can look at these cases, everyone can say, if there's a list of sex offenders, you should be on it whether you're an American or illegal immigrant. You are a serial killer, you should be put in jail for the rest of your lives. Put to death, whatever your politics maybe. And the point is, everyone can agree on that. And yet, it is not happening.
WALSH: It's not done because it's a political hot potato that nobody wants to deal with. It really isn't about immigration. It isn't about whether they are Mexican or Honduran or Czechoslovakian or Ukrainian or whoever it is, it is about protecting Americans from repeat offender criminals that are arrested here hurt people --
WALSH: -- convicted and let go. Why we don't have a sex offender or felony register for illegal aliens is beyond me. And it has to be a federal law. We have 50 little countries in this country called states.
WALSH: And they have local, state laws --
BURNETT: They are not talking to each other. Right.
WALSH: You have sanctuary cities. They have one piece of legislation. They don't deal with ICE. ICE doesn't deal with this city. There has to be a national will to do this. Maybe this horrible murder will show the average American what we don't do and why it needs to be done. Why we need a national registry.
BURNETT: Now, the new season of your show is Sunday night. And in this, the first case you are profiling two girls, murdered horribly. The prime suspect is their father. He has not been seen since the murders which was back in January 1st of 2008. Here is a clip of your show.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We went there and we immediately had a lot of officers out there on foot and in cars driving around, searching parking garages and different areas looking for Yaser Said.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This was on New Year's Day 2008. And he has never been seen since.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There isn't a place in hell deep enough for this guy. It is so appalling. I know what it's like. You are not supposed to bury your children. They are your immortality. They are your legacy. How could you possibly kill your own children?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He took all of the money he had saved. He always carried his camera everywhere. He left his camera. He took all his money and his gun with him.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
[19:10:08] BURNETT: And this may have been some sort of a sick honor killing that he did. He may have molested these girls, his own daughters. Where do you think he is?
WALSH: I think he might be in Egypt. And if he is in Egypt, Egypt could send a big message back to the United States with all the chaos that's going on there that they won't hold our garbage or hide our garbage. Because he is an Egyptian national and a naturalized American citizen. Those girls were molested by him, reported it. Somehow he badgered them and talked them into recanting it by threatening their mother and saying, if you don't recant, I will kill your mother.
And then because they were starting to date boys at 17, 18 -- to 18 and 17-years-old sisters, he says that he shot them. He told someone that he shot them because he had an arranged marriage for them in Egypt. Yes, he had arranged marriages so he could get the dowries. This time I profiled eight times on "America's Most Wanted." This is one of the guys that are on the top of my personal list. How you can shoot your two beautiful daughters and murder them and leave them at the back of the cabin and run? This is a guy that I hope Sunday night his run from the law is ended and that someone will see him in America or someone in Egypt will see him, CNN International, you're going to put him on your show and get this coward back to the United States to face justice. It's just a horrible case.
BURNETT: We hope that this will be the end of it on Sunday night. Thank you very much, John Walsh. And the new season of "THE HUNT WITH JOHN WALSH" beginning with that story premiering this Sunday night at 9:00 Eastern right here on CNN.
And OUTFRONT next, Donald Trump, did he really insult a man in a wheelchair today? We will going to play it so you can hear it for yourself.
Plus, the massive failure hitting Wall Street today. Trading stopped. Nearly every American with something to lose. What happened?
And breaking news from Baltimore, the police commissioner fired tonight. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
[19:15:48] BURNETT: Tonight, did Donald Trump insult a man in a wheelchair? Conservative columnist Charles Krauthammer who is paralyzed called Trump a rodeo clown. Here is how the republican presidential candidate responded in an interview today with NBC.
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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Charles Krauthammer is a totally overrated person who really dislikes me personally. I never met him. But I mean, he's a totally overrated guy. He doesn't know what he is doing.
BURNETT: Trump went on to list his own accomplishments and then said this.
TRUMP: And then I get called by a guy that can't buy a pair of pants? I get called names. Give me a break.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BURNETT: Joe Johns is OUTFRONT now. Joe, people say that Trump is talking about Krauthammer, he is paralyzed and Trump is making a comment about him not being able to buy pants, which would obviously be a horrific thing. Trump's campaign though is saying, that's not what happened, right?
JOE JOHNS, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: Right, Erin. The Trump campaign got a number of calls today asking for clarification to the statement. People wanted to know who Trump was talking about. I spoke with Corey Lewandowski, the campaign manager who told me Trump was talking about a reporter named Jonah Goldberg when he made the comment. Lewandowski said, Trump's statement was, quote, "in relation to Goldberg's wealth." He said Goldberg had written an article in the conservative National Review that was highly critical of Trump and Trump was responding. Still, the Trump's comments lit up social media with people suggesting Trump was talking about Charles Krauthammer who is in the wheelchair. Now, tonight, Krauthammer is responding, and eh is making a joke out of it. Listen.
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CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER, COLUMNIST: Now, the man's specialty to suck oxygen, I'm going to be breathing fresh air. And I do want to make an appeal to the viewers out there to crowd source, to buy Jonah a pair of pants. I think if you look under the table, it's disgraceful the way he comes to the show.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
JOHNS: Trump has been quoted as calling Krauthammer a jerk and an overrated journalist. So, there's some skepticism out there tonight -- Erin.
BURNETT: All right. Maybe he was referring to Jonah Goldberg. All right. Thank you very much. Appreciate it, Joe.
And OUTFRONT now, our political commentators Ben Ferguson and Dan Pfeiffer. Dan is a former senior advisor for President Obama. So, let me start with you, Dan. The Trump campaign, you just heard Joe saying he was actually talking about another critic. Sounds like Krauthammer was actually also buying into that. Krauthammer of course, I want to emphasize of course bound to a wheelchair. Do you buy it?
DAN PFEIFFER, FORMER SENIOR ADVISER TO PRESIDENT OBAMA: Look, I have no idea what Trump meant. It feels like he's on a national tour to insult and everyone he possibly can. And I will say something I probably have never said before. I agree with Charles. Donald Trump is a rodeo clown. And so, every day for Democrats, Donald Trump is the gift that keeps on giving. Every time he opens his mouth, it's another controversy, another person offended. And so, my view is, let him keep talking.
BURNETT: Ben, fair point, I bet Dan never agreed with Charles on anything. So, we will take that.
BEN FERGUSON, RADIO HOST, "THE BEN FERGUSON SHOW": Yes.
BURNETT: But this is not the first time Trump has criticized Charles Krauthammer here. Take a listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
TRUMP: You know, when I watch a George Will or a Charles Krauthammer -- and I watch them for years. They are losers. They are just losers. They sit there. They haven't done anything.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BURNETT: Look. Ben, this is part of the course for Donald Trump. Okay, he calls people losers if he's mad at them or they criticized them. He can change his mind later and he can be friends with them again, the question is, will this negativity turn voters off or energize them?
FERGUSON: It's going to turn them off. And I'm actually glad that Donald Trump is doing this. Because it shows just how much of a non-serious candidate he really is. He's going to implode on his own words. And so, whether he was insulting someone that's handicapped or not, the fact of the matter Donald Trump will rip on anyone and use vile and vulgar language to attack anybody that gets in his way. And if he hates you, he will tell you, you are poor. If he doesn't like you, he'll tell you can't dress well and he'll tell you that you are weak and you're stupid and that you're overrated or incompetent. And he does that towards anyone that ever asks him a semi legitimate question or a legitimate question about his career or his campaign. And this is what you get. You get a narcissistic bully as a candidate and you're going to see him implode and I'm glad he's doing it.
BURNETT: And I should emphasize, Ben, of course you are a conservative radio talk show host. FERGUSON: Yes.
BURNETT: I want people to understand. You are not a democrat here. That's Dan.
PFEIFFER: No, no, no. I'm a conservative.
PFEIFFER: But I mean, this is a guy -- also, you have to look at the money, too. And we have talked about this before. He has given, you know, hundreds of thousands of dollars to people like Rahm Emanuel and to Hillary Clinton in the past.
PFEIFFER: So, you have to look at his -- what he has actually done and not just what he claims he is doing today, which is some sort of conservative. I would call him a fraud for that.
[19:20:25] BURNETT: I'm so glad you raise that point. Because he has given money to a lot of Democrats. And Dan, in fact, Anderson asked Donald Trump about that today in the interview when they sat down together. For example, he has given money not just to Rahm Emanuel but to Hillary Clinton. And here is the exchange in the interview.
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TRUMP: I get along with everybody. And that's part of the problem we have in the country --
ANDERSON COOPER, "CNN'S ANDERSON COOPER 360": So, you weren't giving money based on political beliefs, you were giving money based on currying favor like many do.
TRUMP: People love me. And, you know, what? I've been very successful. Everybody loves me.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BURNETT: Everybody loves him, Dan.
PFEIFFER: Apparently so. Everyone except Charles Krauthammer, I guess.
BURNETT: All right. Now, on a serious level, there's something though about that sound bite that captures the man, what people love and hate about him. But on a serious level, is this Dan a problem for Hillary Clinton? She took money from Trump. She went to his wedding. I have seen the pictures. She was there with her husband. They are friends with him. They have appeared at fundraisers with him. Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are friends. PFEIFFER: I don't think is a problem for Hillary Clinton. She
-- in her interview with Brianna Keilar yesterday, laid out exactly why how she disagrees with Trump on immigration, how his comments are offensive and disappointing. I don't think that will be a problem.
BURNETT: But even her Super Pac Chief Paul Begala said, she went soft on that. Because she was being nice to him.
PFEIFFER: Well, look, Paul is the recent expert on all things Clinton. I will defer to him. But I don't think -- whether the Clinton Foundation took money from Donald Trump or he went to a wedding is going to have any impact on her chances and one of the democratic nominations. Or the presidency, of course.
FERGUSON: See, I think it's an issue of principal. I mean, Hillary Clinton is willing to take a check from pretty much anybody, including foreign governments, with the Clinton Foundation as well. And I think this is going to be an issue. You look at how much money Donald Trump has given, more than six figures at Clinton Foundation. He has given him a lot of money not only to that foundation but also to Hillary Clinton and people around the Clintons and then to act as if you don't like Donald Trump or you are not tight with him -- how many people's weddings have you gone through in your life that you didn't really like? I've never gone to someone's wedding, of someone that I didn't like or didn't have respect for it. So, to act as if there's now some sort of separation here, I think that's going to hard honestly for voters to distinguish the difference. And I think, oh, I've never seen Donald.
BURNETT: I will say -- I will say, I think most voters don't think most politicians take money from everybody no matter who they are. They don't think that highly of anybody on that front. But --
PFEIFFER: Right. It's also, Erin, it's important to remember that that money is going to help poor people around the world. It's not going in their pockets. And that's a big important.
FERGUSON: But a lot of it went to their campaign, which is pushing for her ideals.
BURNETT: All right. Trump also responded to "The Washington Post" reporting that I know you both have seen that undocumented and illegal immigrants were working at his new luxury hotel site in Washington. And here's how he answer that question today.
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COOPER: Can you guarantee that you don't have legal or undocumented workers working for you in hotel projects or various projects?
TRUMP: I can't guarantee it, how can anyone? We have 34 million in the country. I used to hear 11. Now I hear 34 million. I can't guarantee anything.
(END VIDEO CLIP) BURNETT: And that's a pretty honest answer, I have to say, Ben.
BURNETT: It's a sub-contractor that does it. Nonetheless, this is a guy who has come out and said these comments referring to some immigrants as rapists. Will these revelations that immigrants are working at Trump's construction sites, illegal immigrants, will it actually hurt him?
FERGUSON: I don't think it will. Because I think you will be able to turn this into -- this is exactly what the problem is. We have so many illegal immigrants in this country, how in the world could you ever guarantee that you are not employing one if you have any type of major project? And or any type of major company in our business. We have to reform the system. We need some sort of significant e-verify, et cetera. And I think this will only play to Donald Trump's points and he's making that the system is broken.
PFEIFFER: Look, if there's anyone who can turn this to into their advantage, it will be Donald Trump. He plays fast and loose with the truth. And he knows an opportunity when he sees it. And so, I think he will use this. And he'll use it in the debates in ways that he'll probably help in advances candidacy.
BURNETT: All right. Well, I appreciate both of you, as always. And you can see more of Anderson's interview with Donald Trump, it will be on "AC 360" later on tonight.
And OUTFRONT next, a massive failure at the world's top stock exchange. Trading halted for hours. And one of the world's biggest airlines. United shut down, too. Were these really just, quote- unquote, "glitches?"
And a stunning development in Baltimore. The city's embattled police commissioner fired today. That breaking story ahead OUTFRONT.
[19:28:40] BURNETT: A massive failure, the world's most important stock market suddenly going dark. Fear ruling Wall Street today for nearly four hours as trading came to a stop at a New York Stock Exchange. Traders left with nothing to do but stand around and wait. Wondering what happened. What could cause America's financial backbone to break?
Peter Kenny is OUTFRONT, the chief market strategist at the Clearpool Group. He worked on the New York Stock Exchange floor for 25 years. So, you know, you have been there and you were dealing with this today. This is the most powerful stock market in the world. It's the core of America retirement plan, investment, it is really the core of America in many, many ways. You really can't understand -- overstate it. You say this was pretty frightening. PETER KENNY, CHIEF MARKET STRATEGIST, CLEARPOOL GROUP: Well,
what was frightening is, I have been through this a number of times. We have had a number of technical glitches as markets have been more technically concentrated in terms of how they execute trades --
KENNY: Well, the bottom-line is, the more sophisticated these exchanges are and the more interconnected these exchanges, then you've become the more prone they are to having technical problems.
KENNY: Now, I have been through this before. The first time was the scariest. Today was a concern. But there's increasingly this sense that we will get through this and this will be addressed. This will be corrected. And I think --
BURNETT: They did. But I mean, are you concerned about the fact that there's still no clear answer as to what happened. I mean, to me, that's part of the fear here.
BURNETT: You want to have a market the world is confident in --
BURNETT: And it never shuts down and they take great pride in that.
BURNETT: It shuts down and they don't know why.
KENNY: Well, they don't know why. Or at least they're not telling us why.
KENNY: I'm sure they will know -- I'm sure within 24 hours we will have a very clear idea of what happened.
BURNETT: Have a better idea what happens.
KENNY: And I'm sure that that will go a long way towards increasing confidence on the part of investors in the New York Stock Exchange in the world's market place.
BURNETT: And the world going through a very, very rough time right now when you look at Greece and China, and it's not the time for this to happen.
KENNY: Not a good time.
BURNETT: All right. Peter Kenny, thank you very much. And I want to emphasize, it wasn't just the New York Stock
Exchange, as important as that is. In another frightening failure, United Airlines forced to ground thousands of flights because of what the airline is calling a, quote, "network connectivity issue". "The Wall Street Journal's" home page also went dark today.
Jim Sciutto is OUTFRONT.
And, Jim, when you hear all these things happening, same day at about the same time, it certainly raised suspicions.
JIM SCIUTTO, CNN CHIEF NATIONAL SECURITY CORRESPONDENT: No question. I had that very question. The reason I called the Department of Homeland Security immediately, and this was serious enough that the president was briefed on the outage at the New York Stock Exchange, you know, the longest there in several years. The FBI was investigating.
But DHS was able to determine very quickly, at least in its initial assessment, that there was no malicious activity in its words involved in this. But you look at this variety of companies. You've got a major airline. You've got the nation's stock exchange, its main stock exchange, and you have a major news outlet. At a minimum, you see how dependent we are, all these companies are, all of us are, on computer systems and the damage, whether a glitch or hacker, the damage that can be done. It shows those vulnerabilities.
BURNETT: Vulnerabilities and there are a lot of people who want to exploit those vulnerabilities. Terrorists want to, governments want to, and, in fact, they have tried to.
SCIUTTO: No question. They have been very successful. It's happening every day. This is one thing, Erin. They come from China.
Russia is the number one culprit in terms of capability and frequency, but China very close after it. It's even other countries that we don't think about. France is a big culprit, at least in terms of corporate. So, this is a battle that U.S. institutions and companies are fighting every day.
And the sad fact -- we saw that with the hack on the office of personnel management -- they are often losing. And companies are losing tens of billions of dollars a year in these hacks. It's a major, major problem.
BURNETT: Losing a lot of money when it came to the government. Lives perhaps at risk. And, of course, the government was not -- let's just be honest -- they were not honest about that.
BURNETT: There were a lot of mistruths told for a while about that hack and how significant it was.
SCIUTTO: Yes. And it shows us that just as Americans, right, if a hacker is successful, they can affect your and my life very quickly and very directly.
BURNETT: All right. Jim Sciutto, thank you very much. And that is a key point, you are talking about an airline, you are talking the stock market in which if you have a pension or 401(k), that's a big part of where it's resting.
Bob Baer is OUTFRONT. He, of course, is a former CIA operative.
Bob, I mean, they are using the word glitch. Every headline has glitch with quotes around it. Is it a glitch or could it be something more?
BOB BAER, FORMER CIA OPERATIVE: Well, Erin, I think they are calling it a bit early. They're going to need some forensics people to get into the operating system and really tell us. I just don't trust it yet.
It could have been a glitch. It could have been a coincidence, these three sites going down. But who knows?
I think, Erin, what's important, though, is just how vulnerable we are to a massive computer failure. And the Chinese and Russians, for instance, could easily close down the stock market for -- do more damage that occurred today. Same way with the airlines. And, you know, we have been warned about this by Washington, by General Clapper among others.
And they are absolutely right. We are vulnerable. And I wouldn't -- you know, this thing is hard to predict. Is it a matter of time? I would say if things get rough enough internationally, yes.
BURNETT: Which is terrifying and I think it gives people a sense of what could happen. Airline systems go down, planes are in the air. You could imagine here that we're not just talking about inconvenience. We're talking about loss of life that could be at stake.
You mentioned James Clapper, the director of national intelligence, Bob. He recently said, you got to hand it to the Chinese for the hacks that they have pulled off. In fact, he actually, you know, sort of went further when I read his comments, basically saying, wish the U.S. could do that. That they were just that sophisticated.
Who is capable of doing these kinds of things? Is it just Russia and China? What about terror groups?
BAER: Oh, I think if you look at the Islamic State, its ability to encrypt communications, its media output and the rest of it, there are some people there, a lot trained in the West, that are expert enough to go after some of these more vulnerable targets, including the Wall Street -- the New York Stock Exchange and the rest of it. I think they are not well-protected and these people, if they devoted resources and time and personnel, they could take down a major site.
BURNETT: Just pretty terrifying. And, I think, today, a sobering reminder or awakening for a lot of Americans. Bob Baer, thank you as always.
[19:35:00] And OUTFRONT next, the breaking news from Baltimore. The police commissioner fired tonight. Is he a scapegoat?
And federal investigators pouring over the former Subway spokesman Jared Fogle's computers. They are going through them. They are seeing what they can find. The question is whether he will be charged with a heinous crime.
BURNETT: Breaking news: the man in charge of Baltimore police fired. Commissioner Anthony Batts in charge when the death of Freddie Gray stoked public outrage, his arrest captured on camera with the 25- year-old African-American dying in police custody following a ride in a police transport van. Gray's death, as you all know, led to days of unrest and some violent riots in the city. Batts was criticized for the department's responses to rioting.
But then months passed, and then, suddenly, today, Baltimore's mayor saying, you are fired. Batts' deputy will temporarily replace him.
Our Evan Perez is OUTFRONT with the latest.
And, Evan, this is a major move by the mayor today, and really, frankly, unexpected, right?
EVAN PEREZ, CNN JUSTICE REPORTER: Well, sort of. Actually, last week, Simone Prokupecz (ph), a CNN producer, and I were following up on reports we heard that the mayor and the city were talking to potential replacements for Anthony Batts.
[19:40:10] And we were actually working on that. And we thought, certainly, it wasn't going to happen that quickly. Today, certainly, it came as a surprise.
It also came on the same day that the Fraternal Order of Police, a union, issued this scathing report against the city saying that the police were essentially unprepared for the rioting. They had no gear and that they were told to stand down.
The city dismissed that report. But here is what the accusation from the Fraternal Order of Police said. It said, "Today, neither Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake nor Commissioner Batts has done anything since the riots to investigate the successes or failures of the leadership during the riots, nor have they moved to prepare officers for future civil disturbances."
I should add that Commissioner Batts, in an interview with me just a few weeks ago, acknowledged that some of his troops, some of his officers were unprepared the day that those riots broke out, Erin.
BURNETT: All right. You mentioned -- I know you have actually talked to him, one of the few, right, Evan? So, you have interviewed him. You know how he felt about this. What is he saying tonight, suddenly fired?
PEREZ: Right. We haven't heard from him tonight. I've reached out. We have not heard back. He apparently gave a statement to "The Baltimore Sun", which has published it and says, "I have been ho been honored to serve the citizens and residents of Baltimore. I have been proud to be a police officer for this city."
Erin, he is being replaced by Kevin Davis, who is his deputy, who's a longtime cop in Prince Georges County, which is the county just between Washington and Baltimore, and he is a white officer. So, it's going to be interesting to see how the officers there react to this new leadership and whether the community there believes that he is going to fix the problems that they obviously have.
BURNETT: Right, right. A clear message she's sending, right? I mean, she's firing an African-American, replacing him with a white police chief in a racially charged case.
PEREZ: In a racially charged case.
But, you know, this is a problem the city is trying to get ahold of. There are over 150 murders so far this year, making this one of the most violent since the 1990s. At the same time, arrests are down by over 1,000 in May. So, clearly, police officers had stopped listening to the commissioner.
BURNETT: All right. Thank you very much, Evan Perez.
And OUTFRONT now, the Reverend Jamal Bryant. He eulogized Freddie Gray. He's a community leader in Baltimore, who was on our programs many times, as we were going through this entire crisis.
Let me ask you, Reverend, is this -- is this good news, Anthony Batts fired?
REV. JAMAL BRYANT, COMMUNITY LEADER: I think it's a great step, and kudos to our mayor. It's what the community has been crying out for with 153 murders, clearly a change had to take place. I think this is the first step in the right direction.
I don't think it's going to solve it. I don't think it's appropriate to make the commissioner the scapegoat. But not only was there a disconnect between the community and police, but clearly there was a disconnect between the commissioner and his rank and file.
I hope that this begins the healing process between the citizens and the police so that we might be able to turn the page.
BURNETT: All right. So, let me just ask the delicate question here, right? You have the commissioner, now former, was black. He was African-American. He's now been replaced by a white police chief. In this case, obviously, it's racially charged.
Is that -- is this the right guy, Commissioner Davis? BRYANT: Well, let's be very clear. He is the interim. I think
he is just standing in as transition. It is my hope that the mayor will see fit to elevate one of -- from our own ranks within Baltimore who would have a learning curve, who knows the streets, the community and our people. We have more than enough capable men or women who are able to step into that position.
We're going to support this commissioner while he is in transition. But please, let's not swear him in prematurely. We're just in the early stages.
BURNETT: And so, on this issue of race, I mean, you are looking at Baltimore -- a lot of the issues that we discussed during the protests, even when they were violent, was the issues of race, were the issues of these are communities that were African-American.
Do you think that the police chief should be African-American? I mean, when we get rid of the interim, does the police chief need to be black, sir?
BRYANT: When Dr. King marched on Washington in 1963 on the front page of "The Washington Post," "The New York Times" was how they march. They were, in fact, quiet, that they were orderly. What they didn't discuss was why they marched.
And I don't want the conversation or the narrative to move all the way from what is the real reason, the upsetting nerve factor for Baltimoreans, it's about the lack of jobs, the absence of opportunity, economic inequity and sub-par education.
Again, the police department is not the root of the cause, but it is, in fact, one of the symptoms. So, there's got to be a complete address of what's taking place in the city.
[19:45:03] Removing Commissioner Batts does not resolve the ills and ails that have been plaguing Baltimore, quite frankly since 1968.
So, whether it's black, white or even red, we'll take a commissioner's going to work and make the police hit the street again.
BURNETT: The police union issued a report. They blamed Commissioner Batts for a lot of what happened, specifically, quote, "for giving protesters room to destroy and allow the destruction of property so that the rioters would appear to be the aggressors."
I mean, do you really believe that's what happened? Because at the time, the police were saying they had to step back because the public had turned against them, the community turned against them. They were afraid if they tried to stop them, they would be accused of being too aggressive and too violent. They weren't able to do their job.
BRYANT: Well, what would be interesting to see is the Fraternal Order of Police's report on how the police have been disconnected since Attorney Mosby's indictment. You have seen a drastic skyrocket in homicide because police have taken a hands-off approach. And it's not because of riot gear or the absence of tear gas or the presence of drones. They have turned a blind eye.
So, I hope that this police unit will go into full force now that the Mr. Batts is out the way, I hope that we can remove all of the excuses and community policing will begin to be activated again.
BURNETT: Reverend Bryant, I appreciate your time. It's good to talk to you again.
BRYANT: Thank you.
BURNETT: And OUTFRONT next, former Subway spokesman Jared Fogle, his House raided. Investigators tonight searching his computer and personal records, coming through them as this hour. What are they finding?
And reporters, including our own Richard Quest, attacked on the air by the same woman. Jeanne Moos has her story.
[19:50:37] BURNETT: Tonight, investigators digging deeper into the files of former Subway spokesman Jared Fogle. Here's what we know right now. They're actually going through his computers, his iPad. At this time, this is all the electronics they seized during an early morning raid at Fogle's home yesterday.
Now, authorities have been very tight-lipped over the past 36 hours about exactly what they're looking for. But, Subway which has suspended all ties with Fogle, of course, that's how he got famous, right, for losing weight on their subs. Says it is related to an investigation involving one of Fogle's partners who recently was arrested on child pornography charges.
Ryan Young is live tonight outside Fogle's home where the raid occurred.
And, Ryan, Fogle is still silent tonight?
RYAN YOUNG, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Still silent tonight. Of course, I talked to police sources who are not involved in the case.
They told me if they did a data sweep of anyone's phone or computer it could take days, because what they do is they go through each social media tweet, they go through e-mails, they break it all down. And that could take hours before they know what they're looking for.
YOUNG (voice-over): Day two of the ongoing investigation into well-known Subway pitchman Jared Fogle continues with investigators remaining tight-lipped about what they found so far. His attorney only briefly commenting on Fogle's mindset since --
REPORTER: Is he upset? How is he handling all of this?
RON ELBERGER, JARED FOGLE'S ATTORNEY: I think quite well.
YOUNG: Federal agents swarmed Fogle's home, confiscating computers and electronic devices. This comes just weeks after the former director of Fogle's charity foundation was arrested for child pornography. According to investigators, on seven separate occasions, Russell Taylor sexually exploited four children in his residence by using them to produce child pornography. Taylor's attorney wouldn't comment.
And Jared Fogle's lawyer tells CNN, "Fogle has the not been arrested or charged with any crime and is cooperating with law enforcement."
The Jared Foundation, which began in 2004 to help battle childhood obesity, was started by Fogle soon after he became the unlikely corporate spokesman for Subway.
JARED FOGLE, FORMER SUBWAY SPOKESMAN: I'm Jared the Subway guy, and this is my story.
YOUNG: Fogle claimed to have lost 245 pound from eating a steady diet of low fat Subway sandwiches and exercise. He quickly became a celebrity.
He appeared in hundreds of commercials with big name stars and found himself in TV shows like "South Park."
CARTOON CHARACTER: The commercial with the guy that lost 400 pounds eating Subway sandwiches.
YOUNG: Fogle's transformation from obese college student to slimmed down pitchman for Subway helped him earn an estimated $15 million.
JAKE SCHRADER, JARED FOGLE'S NEIGHBOR: He is a spokesperson for subway. He's kind of the face. So, I think that's why he is getting a lot of attention in that sense. But like I said, you know, he is innocent until proven guilty.
YOUNG: Tuesday, Subway suspended its relationship with Fogle, leaving his future in serious doubt.
YOUNG: Now, look, that's where investigators are parked all yesterday afternoon. They worked here for 11 hours. We have been here throughout the afternoon. And I can tell you, we haven't seen investigators stop by. I can tell you, neighbors have all been looking and asking us, have we heard about any charges?
But, right now, no decisions have been made. Of course, we'll keep digging -- Erin.
BURNETT: All right. Ryan, thank you very much. Everyone watching the story avidly. Thank you.
And OUTFRONT next, Jeanne Moos uncovering the mystery woman who attacked reporters. That's next.
[19:57:48] BURNETT: And now, drama playing out on live television. One woman frantically trying to grab reporters' mikes. Why? Take a look with Jeanne Moos.
JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Have you ever had to talk around someone?
(SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE)
MOOS: Now imagine doing it on live TV -- talking around a ranting woman who tries to take your mike.
Reporters covering the financial crisis in Greece had their own crisis. CNN's Richard Quest was the first to have to fend her off.
RICHARD QUEST, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: This is the sort of thing --
MOOS: It's not the economy.
CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: Watch yourself, Richard.
MOOS: It's Satan she is yelling about when she went after the mike of Bloomberg reporter Joe Rosenthal. He twirled out of the picture.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Joe, I got to take this opportunity --
MOOS: But Joe didn't get mad. In the spirit of international friendship, he took a selfie with her and changed his Twitter profile picture to this.
Veteran Finnish reporter (INAUDIBLE) had it worse. Even after a crew member eased her out she kept coming back. Jan had to peek over one shoulder then peek over the other. She kept talking about Vladimir Putin.
(SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE)
MOOS: Something a crew member whispered did seem to calm her down.
Turns out Lenny Luca (ph) does this all the time. She is well- known in Greece as a heckler, usually on religious topics.
At least all of these reporters are in good company. This woman even went after George Clooney's wife Amal.
She managed to get up close and personal and kiss Amal on both cheeks.
She never did actually manage to steal a mike and her message -- is Greek to me.
Jeanne Moos, CNN --
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MOOS: -- New York.
BURNETT: You know, I got to give Amal Clooney credit. Random woman comes up attacks you and kisses you on both cheeks. Amal shook her hair back and laughed. I got to say, that takes real class and presence.
Thanks so much for joining us. Be sure to set your DVR to record OUTFRONT, so you can watch us any time, any place. We'll be back here tomorrow night.
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