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Ticker Tape Parade for Womens World Cup Soccer Team; Donald Trump Causing Headaches for Republicans; Mayor Joe Riley Talks Confederate Flag; Still No Leads on Baby Doe's Identity. Aired 11:30- 12p ET
Aired July 10, 2015 - 11:30 ET
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[11:30:00] MICHELLE AKERS, WORLD CUP SOCCER CHAMPION: It hurts me a little bit when people say, yeah, this is great for women's soccer because they deserve it and the men don't. Well, no, that's not right to me. I think it's great soccer. The men's victories are the women's victory and vice versa. We all want the same thing and we blend together to reach this goal to be the best in the world. I'm just enjoying this for soccer's sake. And the awareness is growing and the appreciation for the game has gotten -- it's exploded since this World Cup and since the World Cup for the men, too. It's great for the game.
JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: It's good for America. We won the World Cup.
KATE BOLDUAN, CNN ANCHOR: You're not even being sappy this time.
BERMAN: No one else did. It's ours.
BERMAN: Yeah, America.
BOLDUAN: You can't take it from us.
Just really fun to watch this ticker-tape parade. And thank goodness New York also brought them some really good weather today for this parade. It's really fun to watch.
Poppy is down there for us. Poppy probably can't even hear us.
Thank you so much, Poppy, for bringing us the look from the parade.
And, Michelle, thank you. It's awesome to meet you via Skype.
And, Greg, thank you. It's always great to see you.
GREG LAWLESS, EDITOR-IN-CHIEF, MLSSOCCER.COM: Thanks for having me.
AKER: Go USA. Whoo! (LAUGHTER)
BERMAN: We're going to transition here.
BOLDUAN: A little bit of a transition.
BERMAN: Some Republicans fear Donald Trump in their primaries but you know what they might fear even more? The possibility that Trump would run as a third-party candidate. And this morning he's not ruling it out.
BOLDUAN: We're also going to stay on top of this very different story that we brought to you yesterday, the horrible mystery in Boston. Who is this little girl? Let's show you this composite picture again if we can. Tens of millions of people have views the image but still investigators have not been able to identify her or determine why her body was found along Boston's harbor. John Walsh, the host of "The Hunt with John Walsh," will be joining us to discuss that coming up.
[11:35:31] BERMAN: New this morning, Donald Trump causing headaches for some establishment Republicans, but now a bigger headache, the possibility that he could run as something other than a Republican. Donald Trump tells "The Washington Post" that lots of people would like to see him run as an Independent and if he doesn't get the Republican nomination, he won't rule it out.
BOLDUAN: He hasn't guaranteed he will support the eventual GOP nominee if it isn't him. Republicans are feeling a lot of angst over the comments he's made about Mexican immigrants. Lindsey Graham, Senator Lindsey Graham slammed him for it right here just minutes ago.
Donald Trump isn't backing down though. In fact, he's talked to Anderson Cooper, and in that interview, he said that he expects to win the Latino vote. Listen.
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DONALD TRUMP, (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE & CEO, TRUMP GROUP: I will get more Latinos than anybody else. What I'm going to do for the Latinos is I'm going to be able to create jobs. I'm going to take jobs from China, take jobs, excuse me, from Mexico, from Japan where they're sending in millions of automobiles all the time and we get nothing out of it. I'm going to take jobs back and bring them back into the country and the Latinos are going to be able to work and make good money. They're going to vote for me and I'll tell you what, I will take them away from Hillary Clinton.
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BOLDUAN: Let's discuss this with Jeffrey Lord. He worked in the Reagan White House. He's also now a contributing editor for "The American Spectator" and a Trump supporter. Jeffrey, it's great to see you. Thank you for joining us and coming
We kind of alluded to it right there, but Lindsey Graham, we just had him on the show. He said he think that Donald Trump's comments are killing the Republican Party.
JEFFREY LORD, CONTRIBUTING EDITOR, THE AMERICAN SPECTATOR: Yeah, I listened to Senator Graham and I have to say this isn't just Senator Graham. I'm hearing this, I read this from the "Wall Street Journal" this morning. They keep saying he is opposed to Mexican immigrants. What he is saying, and I should also say as a writer for "The American Spectator" we don't endorse candidates, he's talking about illegals, illegal immigrants. He is not talking about all Mexicans. He's not talking about every immigrant to the country. This is, after all, a 100 percent country filled with descendants of immigrants. His own grandparents were immigrants. So the notion that he's anti-immigrant is just simply false and it keeps getting repeated, and I am utterly baffled at Senator Graham.
BERMAN: What about the notion then, apart from the specifics of what Trump did or didn't say, what about the notion that he's hurting the party? The establishment is clearly nervous about him in some way. You wrote a piece for "The American Spectator," which, in some ways, makes Trump sound Reaganesque. You're saying, "Reagan was treated the way Donald Trump is being treated right now."
LORD: It was. As I certainly well remember, no less than president Ford, he was then former President Ford, in March of 1980, gave an interview to "The New York Times" and said that Ronald Reagan was too extreme to ever be elected president and that he and other Republicans were concerned that we were going to have a Goldwater-sized landslide defeat if they nominated Ronald Reagan. Reagan went on to win the presidency twice in two landslides. Gerald Ford lost it. I mean, this is --
BERMAN: Is Donald Trump the new Ronald Reagan? Is that what you're saying?
LORD: Ronald Reagan was Ronald Reagan. But I have to say I do think that Donald Trump is tapping into something here that people should be paying attention to, that the Republican Party should be paying attention to. There is a lot of unrest and anger at the Republican establishment in Washington, feeling that they've elected these folks and then they don't do anything. They don't take tough stands. They campaign on them and then they get there and they just don't do it. He's certainly tapping into that. There's no question, and so did Reagan in the day.
BOLDUAN: You can see that in the polling, at least right now. He's also not ruling out a third-party run if he doesn't get the nomination. Would you advise him to do that, because obviously the mainstream in your party, they think that clearly would undermine your party's candidate? LORD: Well, I will say this, the third-party runs, the best ever in
terms of getting close to the White House was Teddy Roosevelt in 1912 and Ross Perot for a while there in 1992. But neither of them made it. So I do think that that's something that when we get to that point, Mr. Trump will have to consider it. But I think in the meantime the Republican Party would do well to pay attention to his message, while there in 1992. But neither of them made it. So I do think that that's something that when we get to that point, Mr. Trump will have to consider it. But I think in the meantime the Republican Party would do well to pay attention to his message, to treat Latinos in this country with respect and not patronize them. The notion that the Latino community in America, the legal Latino community is into illegalities and rape and murder and all of this and that we need to patronize them is just -- I mean, that's pretty bad.
[11:40:31] BERMAN: Jeffrey Lord, thanks for being with us. An interesting perspective into Donald Trump. Thanks so much for being with us.
BOLDUAN: Thanks, Jeff.
LORD: Thank you.
BERMAN: Another big story happening in South Carolina right now where the Confederate flag now down at the state house grounds, flying no more.
Our Don Lemon watched it happen. He has spoken to the governor of South Carolina, Nikki Haley.
And you were there with the esteemed mayor of Charleston of some four decades who also saw this all happen. Don, quite a historic day.
DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR: Yeah. You took the words right out of my mouth. It was a historic day. Getting to be at the state house, getting to sit with Governor Nikki Haley who, just moments ago -- and the interview will run on CNN very shortly. She said this moment forever changed her. She's forever changed as a person. She also talked about growing up as an immigrant here and that was tough under this flag growing up. She said her dad, you know, wore a turban and she talked to me about an incident that happened with her family when they were at a fruit stand, a vegetable stand growing up.
It will be a very interesting interview you want everybody to pay attention to because Nikki Haley said she's forever changed and she talked with me for about 30 minutes.
But back to where I am now, and as you mentioned, John, Joseph Riley, the mayor of Charleston, and has been for four decades.
Although you don't look old enough to have been --
JOSEPH RILEY, (D), MAYOR OF CHARLESTON: Thank you.
LEMON: -- the mayor for four decades. But you released a statement yesterday and you said today, this is when the governor signed and said it's coming down. You said, "Today, in South Carolina division has been replaced with unity. Our state capitol building, a building that belongs to South Carolinians, will house flags that belong to all South Carolinians as does the flag of our state and the flag of our country."
This is a new day for not only South Carolina but for the south. How do you feel?
RILEY: Well, and for our country, I'm so happy. I personally worked on this issue a long time. I led a march, walked 120 miles from Charleston to seek to bring the flag down from the dome, which we did 15 years ago. And I think that what you have is, first of all, the wonderful response to a hateful act of racial bigotry. What happened? The people of our community in Charleston came together in love and the people of South Carolina through their governor, Governor Haley, has done a wonderful job and the legislature acted to remove a symbol of hate from our state house grounds. A flag that had been appropriated by hate groups for a long time. It's gone. And it's like saying to the families, you know, we know now that this was injurious and insulting to you and to African-Americans, and it's gone. It's a great day. It really is.
LEMON: I have heard people say, and I think rightly so because we tend to think that this is just a day for African-Americans, and clearly the majority of people who are touched by this personally are African-Americans, but I have people calling me and e-mailing me or on social media saying it's white people as well. White folks as well who don't want to see this flag up and are happy that it's down.
RILEY: And I'm one of them. I walked to get it down. This was a very diverse audience here, our crowd. 10,000 people I would guess. I thought as many whites as nonwhites. It's a joyful day. What I always felt was the citizens of South Carolina would support the flag coming down. It was getting the requisite political will to make that act, and so it's a joyful day for people of all colors. And any time we remove something we find out has been insulting, hurting someone, then we all feel better about that.
LEMON: Joe -- Mayor Riley, I should say.
RILEY: Joe is good.
LEMON: Is there room for people who legitimately believe that this is a symbol of pride and the history and it pays honor and tribute to those who fought in the Civil War, their loved ones?
[11:44:55] RILEY: There's room for everyone's thoughts about history, and that's why you have museums and that's where the flag now is. So you have those feelings, your ancestors fought and died and, of course, the cause of the war, unfortunately, was to protect the institution of slavery, there's no doubt about that, but nonetheless, the museums are, you know, are family events, our graveyards are places for that. But this as I said belongs to every citizen of South Carolina, and if a symbol that is flying is a symbol that doesn't belong to everyone in South Carolina, it shouldn't be here.
LEMON: Thank you, mayor.
RILEY: You're welcome.
LEMON: I appreciate it. Is it always this hot here?
RILEY: No. In Charleston, it's delightful today.
LEMON: Thank you very much. I appreciate that.
So, John and Kate, again, as we've been saying, you can't say it enough, it's a historic day. When that flag came down, there were lots of tears. And I'm sure you witnessed that as well. And a lot of them tears of joy. This is only the beginning because there are other issues that need to be dealt with. This is maybe just a touchstone that says let's move forward from here and deal with those big issues that need to be dealt with.
BOLDUAN: Don, thank you so much.
Just to reiterate, Don speaking there with Charleston Mayor Joe Riley. But he also sat down with the governor of the state, Nikki Haley. We'll be bringing that interview very, very shortly.
Coming up still for us, hundreds of leads, still no answers in the heartbreaking case of Baby Doe. Tens of millions have shared this photo. A composite image in an effort to try to identify the little girl whose body washed up in the Boston harbor. Up next, John Walsh will be joining us to talk about the latest on this investigation.
[11:50:14] BOLDUAN: New questions today about this little girl known only as Baby Doe. Her body was found in a trash bag along the shore of Boston harbor weeks ago. So who is she? How did her life end? 50 million people have shared this composite sketch of the girl believed to be about four years old. Hundreds of tips have come in we're told. None so far have panned out.
BERMAN: Yesterday, we spoke to the district attorney on the case. He told us that he believes that the parents or caregivers, the fact that they have not come forward at this point, he believes that means they are likely involved. Listen to what he says.
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DANIEL CONLEY, SUFFOLK COUNTY, MASSACHUSETTS, DISTRICT ATTORNEY: We can surmise and I think infer that the parents and/or caregivers of the child well know who she is and how she came to end up in this position, this place, this isolated and desolate place, really, on the shores of Boston harbor, and they know well what happened. For whatever reason, they refuse to come forward.
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BERMAN: They know well what happened.
Joining us right now is John Walsh, host of CNN's "The Hunt."
John, thanks for being with us.
JOHN WALSH, CNN HOST, THE HUNT: Glad to be here.
BERMAN: The D.A. said, "They know full well what happened." He says that because we're two weeks since this body was found and the idea that no caregiver has come forward saying, "Hey, My daughter is missing, my granddaughter is missing," that's why he believes they're connected.
WALSH: So do I. I believe if you have a loving set of parents or caregivers they're going to go right to police immediately and the national center has looked through all of their databases as they were coming up with this composite right here to see if there was a child missing that fit this is description. And there isn't. So there isn't that big media attention to a missing child. I share that opinion.
I've done several of these cases in the 25 years I did "America's Most Wanted." We did several of these cases. And if we did find out who the child was, it was usually somebody within the family. It was either the live-in boyfriend or the step daddy, sometimes the mommy. And in many times there were many siblings, I remember four of these cases distinctly where there was only one sibling that was brutalized and abused and then finally killed and other siblings weren't. It's a very strange phenomenon. But, again, I've been talking about this because the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children has partnered with Facebook so we are doing Amber Alerts on Facebook so that it goes right to your smart phone or computer laptop like you guys are using right here.
So we're praying that somebody will give us that tap, but I learned on "America's Most Wanted" over 25 years, people are afraid to get involved with police. I always say, if you know anything, call me at The Hunt, 1-866-thehunt. Or go to my web site CNN.com/The Hunt.
Yesterday, I did a live chat about this little girl and we had five million children on that chat.
BOLDUAN: That's why your expertise, your voice is so important
The season premier of "The Hunt" with John Walsh. It's a Sunday.
And you're taking on one person who sounds absolutely brutal. Yasser said. Let's look at it and we'll talk about it.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This was on New Year's Day, 2008, and he's never been seen since.
HUNT: There isn't a place in hell deep enough for this guy. It is so appalling. I know what it's like. You're not supposed to bury your children. They're your immortality. They're your legacy. How could you possibly kill your own children?
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BOLDUAN: He sounds horrible.
HUNT: I have my own top 10. The FBI has their most wanted. I was lucky enough to catch 17 off that list over the 25 years.
This guy is in the top of my most wanted. I'm the father of a murdered child. I cannot imagine how he could shoot his own two daughters. He abused them. They went to authorities. He then said to the girls, "If you don't recant, I will kill your mother." This is a horrible guy. He went to Egypt, arranged marriages for the girls. It was all about the money. When they wouldn't go, he grabbed them, put them the back of his cab, shot the first daughter and then he methodically shot the other daughter, first in each knee, next in each elbow, and finally killed her. I want to see this guy brought back to justice.
I think he's in Egypt. But I tell you what, Egypt needs our help. The Arab Spring didn't work. We send lots of money to Egypt. I'm saying to Egyptian authorities, I think I know where this guy is close to and CNN international, that's why it's a great fit for me. If I get this tip where this guy is and they arrest him, U.S. Marshals will fly to Egypt tomorrow and get him. Well, I hope Sunday night.
BERMAN: Let's hope the show helps.
The season premier of "The Hunt."
John Walsh, thanks for having me. Sunday at 9:00 right here on CNN.
HUNT: Thank you.
[11:55:12] BOLDUAN: Thanks, John.
HUNT: Thanks for having me.
BERMAN: Watch the season premier of "The Hunt," Sunday at 9:00 p.m. on CNN.
BOLDUAN: We'll be right back.
BOLDUAN: Today's "CNN Hero," a Chicago doctor providing health care to those who cannot afford it.
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DR. DANIEL IVANKOVICH, CNN HERO: Barbed wire and machine guns. Welcome to Chicago.
These are definitely some of the most challenged communities in America. Not a day goes by without the headlines being littered with deaths, shootings. As an orthopedic surgeon, I've seen a very significant number of
patients that have been victims of violent crime.
But there's a whole other layer of patients in these underserved communities. They're underinsured and they're uninsured, but they need care.
If you could get that final 20 degrees.
I just saw people put on wait lists for months and even years and, as a result, their injuries get worse, and I just said enough is enough.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I guess I'm just stuck with arthritis.
IVANKOVICH: I run three clinics in Chicago's most underserved areas.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm walking better.
IVANKOVICH: Well, you smile more.
We treat orthopedic conditions. We treat patients regardless of ability to pay.
I know I can't fix everybody, but my focus is to break down the barriers.
I'll see you in a couple weeks.
The greatest thing we give them is hope.
[12:00:00] BOLDUAN: If you know a hero like the doctor, you can nominate them at CNNheroes.com.
Thank you for joining us AT THIS HOUR. Have a great week.
BERMAN: "Legal View" with -- "Legal View" with Ashleigh Banfield starts right now.
BOLDUAN: You need a weekend.