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Flag Will Be Taken to State Military Museum; House Scraps Confederate Flag Vote; Trump: 'We're Making a Terrible Deal' with Iran; Cosby Accuser Could See Day in Court. Aired 7-7:30a ET
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[07:00:05] PEREIRA: So many have fought for that, saying that's where it belongs, in a museum. Alina, thank you so much for that.
Meantime, the debate over the Confederate flag erupting on the floor of the House. Democrats beating back an effort by Republican leaders to allow Confederate symbols at national cemeteries. Athena Jones is live in our Washington bureau with all the details on that -- Athena.
ATHENA JONES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Michaela.
There was a lot of anger and emotion on Capitol Hill yesterday. And it was not a good moment for Republicans on the Hill. This is a party that's trying to broaden its appeal with minorities, and yet you had this split screen dueling images of Republicans in South Carolina helping lead the effort to get rid of the Confederate flag; Republicans on Capitol Hill being forced to pull a Bill that would have included an amendment that would allow the Confederate flag to be displayed at National Park Service-run cemeteries.
So it was a very contentious moment on the Hill, embarrassing for Republicans.
And what you're playing now is what happened just a couple of hours later, when Democrats protested loudly when Republicans shelved, essentially, a resolution that would have removed the Confederate image from the Capitol. That speaks directly to the Mississippi state flag, which of course, includes the Confederate flag in the upper corner.
There was a lot of emotion on the House floor about this issue yesterday. Let's play what Georgia Congressman John Lewis had to say about this.
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REP. JOHN LEWIS (D), GEORGIA: There's no way, but no way, the federal government should ever display this flag on any federal site or sell it on federal property. It is a symbol of division, a symbol of separation. It is a symbol of hate. It is a relic of our dogged (ph) past.
We must defeat every attempt to return this flag to federal property.
(END VIDEO CLIP) JONES: Saw a lot of raw emotion and passion on the House floor. John Lewis standing next to a picture of some of the troopers who beat the protesters, including him, in Selma -- Selma, Alabama, 50 years ago.
House Speaker John Boehner says he wants adults in Congress to have a conversation about what to do with these symbols. But Democrats are saying what conversation has to be had? These symbols of bigotry, of racism, of crushing (ph) brutality, have to be removed -- Chris.
CUOMO: The question becomes how far do you go, right? We saw the first step in South Carolina. You have about seven states, I think, that had some type of symbology in their flags that relate to the Confederate one. So what do you do?
Let's turn to Democratic Congressman from New York. Hakeem Jeffries is a member of the House Judiciary Committee and whip of the Congressional Black Caucus.
Now, Congressman, you made a very passionate speech on the House floor Thursday against the Republican proposal to allow Confederate flags to remain at cemeteries and national parks. Let's play that for the audience.
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REP. HAKEEM JEFFRIES (D), NEW YORK: Had this Confederate battle flag prevailed in war 150 years ago, I would not be standing here today as a member of the United States Congress. I would be here as a slave.
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CUOMO: What motivated that for you, other than the pure light of reason?
JEFFRIES: Well, Chris, you know, we've come a long way in America since the end of slavery, 150 years ago, but we still have a long way to go. And the death of those nine God-fearing, church-going African- American folks in Charleston, South Carolina, by somebody who was trying to start a race war and who was inspired, in part, by the Confederate battle flag should make clear to everyone that it's time to banish this racist symbol of hate and oppression to the dustbin of history once and for all.
And I was just shocked and appalled by the fact that, on the very same day that South Carolina Republicans and Democrats, blacks, whites, people of all races were doing the right thing in setting the stage for the Confederate battle flag to come down, House Republicans were attempting to lift it up and permit it to be displayed on National Park Service land in federal cemeteries.
CUOMO: Speaker Boehner says that the amendment was merely an attempt to codify the directive from the Obama administration to the National Park Service. Do you buy that?
JEFFRIES: Not at all. That's totally inaccurate. There can be no legitimate debate about what was occurring. There were three amendments, two of which had been offered by
Representative Jared Huffman from California earlier this week, one of which was offered by myself, collectively, to prohibit the use of federal funds, in connection to the purchase, the sale, the display of the Confederate battle flag on National Park Service land, including but not limited to cemeteries.
There was then an effort, less than 24 hours later, to roll back those amendments. And this was something that was done, Chris, by House Republicans under cover of darkness, in the dead of night. They tried to sneak it in.
[07:05:07] But Democrats, led by Betty McCollum, were able to catch this effort, stop it, call for a recorded vote; and that led to what took place yesterday on the House floor, where thankfully, we were successful in leading the effort to stop it, and the Republicans were forced to retreat.
CUOMO: One last beat on this. How far do you go with removal of this symbol? Do you think the state flag should change? Do you think the names of Confederate generals should be taken off things? Should monuments come down? How far do you extend this principal?
JEFFRIES: Well, each state is going to have to make their own decision about what's the appropriate thing to do. I certainly am of the view that any state that incorporates the Confederate battle flag within their flag needs to take a step to reverse the history that that battle flag reflects and move forward with an appropriate display. But that's -- those are state decisions.
However, in terms of what we were attempting to accomplish yesterday, the Mississippi state flag directly incorporates the Confederate battle flag within it. And it's not appropriate at this juncture for that flag to be displayed on the grounds of the United States Congress. That flag stands for the defense of the institution of slavery, which is one of the worst crimes ever perpetrated against humanity in the history of the world; and no one can dispute that. We've got to be able to move on.
I'm hopeful that House Republicans will do the right thing so we can get back to doing the business of the American people, related to jobs and retirement security, college affordability.
CUOMO: Well, that's true. I mean, this is important, but you have a lot of important things on the plate.
Let's pivot really quickly to another headline that's going on this morning. You heard director of the FBI, James Comey, saying, "Hey, they have a new encryption, new communication modes that we can't track as well. We need more tools; we need more money."
One of the things they need is going to require something more difficult for you, which is going to be a change in policy about privacy. We just came through all of it with surveillance. Now, they're saying that they're going to need ISPs to start giving them windows into activity so they can catch bad guys. That's a very different place from where you wound up in terms of feelings about privacy. Is it time to rethink how much you let the government do in the name of security?
JEFFRIES: Well, we should always rethink and refresh the effort to make sure that our law enforcement have all the tools necessary to keep the American people safe. But there has to continue to be a balance between national security protection on the one hand and support for the principles embedded in the Fourth Amendment around privacy and the civil liberties of the American people.
And so Congress' job, certainly those of us who are on the judiciary committee, will be to continue to make sure that that balance is appropriate.
I'm open to hearing what the FBI director, of course, has to say about additional law enforcement tools, but we also are guardians of the freedom and the liberty of the American people, and that's important, as well.
CUOMO: But you know what happens. You always have that "God forbid" provision. You know, something happens, it could have been stopped if they had done that. Then you have a very different analysis. And that's why it's a difficult job. But we're going to see which way this debate goes. We look forward to having you back, Congressman Jeffries, to continue the conversations on both fronts. Thank you, sir.
JEFFRIES: Thank you, Chris.
CUOMO: All right -- Michaela.
PEREIRA: All right, Chris.
Nuclear talks with Iran now extending past a third deadline. All parties remaining in Vienna for the weekend. It means that Congress will now have 60 days to review any deal instead of just 30.
No matter how long talks go, one person who doesn't think they're a good idea, Donald Trump. In part two of Anderson Cooper's interview with the presidential candidate, Trump had harsh words about the talks with Tehran.
DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We're making a terrible deal. We have the wrong people negotiating for us against great -- The Persians are great negotiators. They are laughing at the stupidity of the deal we're making on nuclear.
We should double up and triple up the sanctions and have them come to us. They are making an amazing deal.
You know we're paying them hundreds of millions of dollars on a monthly basis? Hundreds of millions of dollars is going back. And I said, why can't that money be held back? They said, "Well, that money has nothing to do with our negotiation." Really? And also, why aren't we taking our four prisoners back? Why aren't we
getting those four people that are being held in the worst prisons, they say, in the world, in Iran? Why aren't we getting them back. They say, "Oh, we don't want to discuss that. That has nothing to do with the nuclear."
Anderson, this negotiation should have taken a week. That's because I'm being generous. Should have taken a day. But it shouldn't have taken a week. This is going on forever. Now they're having another delay and another delay. And if you think that Iran isn't doing lots of nuclear work behind our backs as we're negotiating, then you're foolish. And I watch you too often to know that you're not foolish.
COOPER: Former Attorney General Holder just the other day said perhaps some sort of plea deal could be in the works. He also said that Snowden spurred a necessary debate. Now, what would you do about Snowden?
[07:10:03] TRUMP: I think he's a total traitor. And I would deal with him harshly. And if I were president, Putin would give him over. I would get along with Putin. I've dealt with Russia.
COOPER: You think you'd get along with Putin?
TRUMP: I think I'd get along with him fine. I think he'd be absolutely fine. He would never keep somebody like Snowden in Russia.
He hates Obama. He doesn't respect Obama. Obama doesn't like him, either. But he has no respect for Obama, has a hatred for Obama. And Snowden is living the life. Look, if that -- I'm president, Putin says, "Hey, boom, you got him."
COOPER: I want to ask you about ISIS. You said nobody would be tougher on ISIS than Donald Trump.
COOPER: Specifically, what would be your strategy?
TRUMP: The situation has to be dealt firmly and strongly. When you have people being beheaded, I would love not to be over there. That's not our fight. That's other people's fight. That's revolutions. That's whatever you want to call it. Religious wars.
COOPER: What would you do?
TRUMP: I would do things that would be so tough that I don't even know if they'd be around to come to the table.
COOPER: What sort of things, though?
TRUMP: I would take away their wealth. I would take away the oil. What you should be doing now is taking away the oil.
COOPER: What does that mean? TRUMP: And I'll tell you what I hate about this question. If I win
-- if I win. I didn't want to answer this question and I thought maybe I could go without answering it. Because if you look at the great General George Patton or General MacArthur, who I was a big fan of, or any of these great generals, they didn't talk about what they did. And I hate that.
In fact, if you remember, when I said I have a plan, but I don't want to talk about it. The problem is, everyone said, "Oh, he really doesn't have a plan." So I had to do it. But I hate talking about it. Because if I win, they know I'm going to do it.
If I win, I would attack those oil sites that are controlled and owned by ISIS. They're controlled by ISIS. They're taking tremendous money out. They are renovating a hotel in Iraq. Can you believe it?
COOPER: Wouldn't you be destroying the wealth of Iraq?
TRUMP: No. There is no Iraq. There is no Iraq. Their leadership is...
COOPER: The Iraqis might differ with you.
TRUMP: Excuse me. There are no Iraqis. They're broken up into so many different factions.
COOPER: You don't think bombing Iraqi oilfields, which are now controlled by ISIS, but bombing Iraqi oilfields is going to anger huge numbers of people?
TRUMP: I would bomb the hell out of those oilfields. I wouldn't send many troops, because you won't need them by the time I got finished. I'd bomb the hell out of the oilfields. I'd then get Exxon. I'd go and get these great oil companies to go in. They would rebuild them so fast your head will spin. You ever see...
COOPER: ... the oil fields?
TRUMP: Excuse me. You ever see how fast they put up rigs? These guys are unbelievable. So I'd go to ExxonMobil. I'd go to the top five oil companies. They'd be in there. They'd be finished so fast.
COOPER: Wouldn't you need U.S. troops to protect the oilfields?
TRUMP: Yes, and you put a ring around them. You'd put a ring. You've just taken all of the wealth away. This is what should be done. But no politician's going to do that.
PEREIRA: It's interesting. You know, because past the bluster and the superlatives, and "I'll hammer them" and this kind of thing, he says he doesn't want to be asked those questions; he doesn't want to be tested on things. But that's, I think, what voters want to know, is what is your plan? How would you handle these things? Because I want to know if you win my vote that way.
CUOMO: Right. Look, this is a tricky situation, because he is fueling interest in the campaign.
CUOMO: And we want you to be interested in the campaign.
PEREIRA: We want you to be engaged, of course.
CUOMO: But the idea that he is resonating with people because he makes so much sense to them, I think is a dangerous one on several levels.
One, you hope that's not true. Because he's saying so many things that are out of line with fact and reality of what works in the world, that it's dangerous for people to say, "Yes, this sounds great. We should bomb all the oil fields in Iraq. That'd be great."
Just because the guy is provocative doesn't mean that he should be taken seriously as having real solutions. But that's up to you to decide.
PEREIRA: ... trusted.
CUOMO: Now another big story that we've been following for you this week is Bill Cosby. It appeared that he might slip any criminal charges connected to his alleged abuse because, frankly, it was so long ago. But could that change? There is a big development that could really change the story here. We have it for you, next.
[07:17:41] PEREIRA: Most of Bill Cosby's accusers will never see their day in court. For two dozen women who say the comedian drugged, or sexually assaulted them or both, the statute of limitations is proving insurmountable. All but one of them, Chloe Goins, claims Cosby drugged and assaulted her during a party at the Playboy mansion back in 2008. That is within the ten-year statute in California.
Spencer Kuvin is the attorney for Chloe Goins, and he joins us now from Florida.
Good morning to you, sir. Thanks so much for joining us here on NEW DAY to talk about your client.
It's amazing to think that there's only one of all of these alleged cases against Bill Cosby that's within the statute of limitations. But I want to ask you. Chloe waited some six years to come forward. Why? And what was it that was sort of the catalyst to make her speak up?
SPENCER KUVIN, ATTORNEY FOR CHLOE GOINS: Thank you and good morning, Michaela.
As it happens with a number of women who are sexual abused, when it initially occurs, the first thought is, "I can't believe that just happened. And no one's going to believe me if I say anything." So there's a certain amount of fear that's involved in any woman that's abused.
And as we've seen through the 45 women that have now come forward -- understand, we now have a list of roughly 45 women that have come forward and said that Bill Cosby has done this to them. All of them waited years, because none of them individually believed that it would be believed by them. So they eventually came forward. And there is strength in numbers.
And much like them, my client, when she started hearing about all these women that had been abused by Mr. Cosby, she felt empowered to finally come forward and tell her story.
PEREIRA: Well, it's interesting, too, because she's younger, too. A woman is at a different time in her life, too. So many of these women were emboldened to come forward later in life. She's 25 now, if I understand correctly.
You've been in touch with the state's attorney out in California. You believe the case the LAPD has, the open investigation is your case. They cannot comment. All they'll say is that they have one open investigation related to Cosby. But because it is of sexual assault nature, they can't divulge the details. I know you can't comment on the ongoing investigation, but do you have any expectation when any charges, if and when charges will be filed?
KUVIN: Yes. What I can tell you is that I did walk my client through the L.A. Police Department. It was some months ago. They took the allegations very seriously. They sat with us for roughly two and a half hours where my client explained to them what had occurred to her in excruciating detail.
[07:20:14] And that investigation, as far as we know, is still open. They have never told my client or myself that it's been closed, at any point. In fact, as recently as a few weeks ago, I was in contact with the L.A. Police Department, because they were requesting some additional information. They asked us both not to discuss the details of what we have told them.
PEREIRA: We should read -- we should read the response from the Cosby camp. Marty Singer says, quote, "The party took place on August 9, 2008. Mr. Cosby was in New York that date. We will be providing documentary evidence to the appropriate authorities which conclusively establishes Mr. Cosby's whereabouts on August 9 and for the preceding and succeeding days."
How do you respond to that? I understand that Goins never said what day the incident -- she didn't specify August 9, did she?
KUVIN: No. It's really been a fancy lawyering by Mr. Singer, obviously. My client has never come out publicly and said any specific date she was there. She had merely said that she was there for a private party where Mr. Cosby was in attendance. They've taken that and extrapolated, because there was one specific party that was a public party. It's called the Midsummer Night's Dream party that's held at the Playboy mansion every year. And they assumed that that was the party we were talking about. I think everyone assumed that. That was not the case. It was a general, private party that she attended.
And, you know, from my perspective as an attorney for Ms. Goins, it's very nice to find out that he has these records dating back to 2008. Because now, in litigation, whether it be criminal or civil, I'd like to have him produce those records. Because to date, they've produced nothing.
PEREIRA: You also want the 2005 deposition, that full deposition. Only excerpts from 2005 have been released. And you're pushing for that, because you think it will bolster your case, obviously. Do you think that it will contain, that full deposition from 2005 will contain what the LAPD needs for their investigation?
KUVIN: Well, it's really hard to tell at this point because it was sealed. But you're correct. Obviously, we want the full disclosure of that 2005 deposition.
What it shows, Michaela, is that what Mr. Cosby and his representatives and handlers are saying to the general public and to the media is directly opposite to what he says when he's put under oath. That's why I want to get Mr. Cosby in a sworn deposition, to ask him those questions, and I certainly want to compare it to what he said in 2005.
PEREIRA: Spencer Kuvin, thank you so much. Again, he's the attorney for Chloe Goins, who has allegations against Mr. Cosby for sexual assault within the statute of limitations in California. We'll be watching this, as many other people will be. Spencer, thank you so much.
KUVIN: Thank you.
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Chris, over to you.
CUOMO: Mick, you don't work enough. How do you feel about that? I don't know that Mick could work any more. But there are a lot of Americans who are in part-time jobs. And what was Jeb Bush talking about when he said Americans need to work longer hours? Was he saying we're lazy? No, he doesn't. That's not what he says. John King takes on the fallout, "Inside Politics."
[07:27:13] CUOMO: History is about to be made in South Carolina. That history, the Confederate flag being removed this morning from the grounds of the state capitol in Columbia. The ceremony is set to begin in about two hours. Governor Nikki Haley says it will be simple and dignified. Now, the families of the nine people gunned down at the Emanuel AME Church in Charleston last month are expected to attend.
PEREIRA: The defense is expected to rest today in the trial of accused Colorado movie theater gunman, James Holmes. The accused is not going to take the stand, Holmes telling the judge Thursday, quote, "I choose not to testify" about the charges he killed 12 and wounded 70 others in that 2012 shooting. Closing arguments are likely to begin on Tuesday. Prosecutors are asking for the death penalty.
CUOMO: Pope Francis coming out with some of his strongest words yet about modern capitalism and the poor. During a speech in Bolivia, he slammed what he called the unfettered pursuit of money and called world leaders cowards for not defending the earth from exploitation.
Also the Vatican says the church will not display the gift from Bolivia's president, a crucifix carved into the communist hammer and sickle.
PEREIRA: Is Russia a greater threat to the U.S. than ISIS? President Obama's nominee to be the next chairman of the joint chiefs thinks so. General Joseph Dunford told senators at his confirmation hearing that Moscow's nuclear arsenal, actions in Ukraine and threat to neighboring NATO countries are alarming and pose the biggest challenge for the U.S.
CUOMO: There is much political things going on. So let's get to "Inside Politics" on NEW DAY with Mr. John King.
My friend, happy Friday. You've got a lot on your plate.
JOHN KING, CNN CORRESPONDENT/ANCHOR: Happy Friday to you, sir. We start with follow the money, the old adage in politics. Let's go "Inside Politics" this morning.
With me to share their reporting and their insights, CNN's Nia-Malika Henderson; Jackie Kucinich of "The Daily Beast."
Let's start with the Republican Party's $115 million man. A little shy of that. But if you look at Jeb Bush's big first fundraising take, his campaign, which is smaller donations, raised $11.4 million from his launch to the end of June. That's a lot of money in just, really, a few weeks.
Then look at the super PAC number. Jeb Bush spent a lot of time traveling this spring, raising money for his super PAC: $103 million. That is an arsenal for a guy who, for all the troubles we talked about in the spring, has actually stabilized in the polls. He's not in a great position, but he's in an OK position. You have to look at his position in the polls and all that money and say, if he's not the front-runner, he's at least the most formidable.
JACKIE KUCINICH, "THE DAILY BEAST": They're doing a good job of tempering expectations here. I think we all thought this was going to be a big number, and it is. How he raised it, though, is really interesting; and it's also raising some eyebrows. Because you know, he didn't -- he prolonged the period before he actually declared, allowing him to go around and raise this enormous amount of money for the super PAC. So that's something that's going to be discussed going forward, I would feel.
KING: You look at the other Republicans, Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, half or a little less than half of what Jeb Bush raised. Still a pretty good take for them. In normal years, we'd be saying, "Wow, that's a good number for Ted Cruz. Wow, that's a pretty good number for Marco Rubio."