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Donald Trump Calls Lawyer "Disgusting"; Cincinnati Police Officer Indicted for Killing Unarmed Black Man; Airplane Debris Found Off Coast of Madagascar. Aired 3:30-4p ET

Aired July 29, 2015 - 15:30   ET

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[15:30:00] DAVID MCKENZIE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: They say it's way too early to come to mh-370, that vanished plane and they will investigate it very closely, of course, and thaey potentially are going to send it to France, the BEA investigators. That's a very respected French authority who looks into crash investigations -- Brooke.

BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN HOST: All right. David McKenzie, thank you. We will have more on that story. Also just in, our chief congressional correspondent just sat down with Donald Trump, the man leading most of the Republican polls one week away from this Republican debate and he responds to the lawyer who says Trump called her disgusting over a breast milk pump. That's next.

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BALDWIN: All right. Bottom of the hour. You're watching CNN. I'm Brooke Baldwin. We need to get back to our breaking story.

But first, Donald Trump here. We have brand new interview from the man who is first in the polls whose Republican choice for president. But here we are two days in a row now and his presidential campaign getting dogged by details from the billionaire's past.

In fact, Donald Trump just sat down with my colleague, our chief congressional correspondent, Dana Bash who is here with me in New York. And let me just set this up before we bring Dana in.

So in 2011, Donald Trump called a lawyer disgusting, his word, when she wanted to take a break from a lawsuit deposition to breast pump for her newborn at home. There is no denying that Donald Trump said this but the reason why, that is what is hotly in dispute here. The lawyer by the name of Elizabeth Beck was on "New Day" this morning. Here's what she's saying.

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ELIZABETH BECK, ATTORNEY WHO DEPOSED DONALD TRUMP: He had an absolute meltdown when I said that I needed the break and it was for breast pumping purposes. He got up. His face got red. He shook his finger at me and he screamed "you're disgusting, you're disgusting" and he ran out of there, and we were not able to conclude his deposition that day. I think non-presidential is the least of what you can call his

behavior that day and I don't say that personally but I say it. It's -- it was unprofessional. It was a lack of self-control. It was fear. It was panic. It was a whole host of things. And I don't think any of those things should attach to anybody running for president.

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BALDWIN: That was the lawyer. Here's Dana Bash fresh off her interview with Donald Trumpet. You asked him specifically about this in 2011. What did he say?

DANA BASH, CNN SENIOR CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, as you can imagine, he's not a fan of Miss Beck. And I think probably rather than have me explain it why don't you listen to what he said. Watch.

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BASH: She said that you got up, shook your finger, screamed you're disgusting, you're disgusting and ran out.

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: OK. I watched that and I thought it was disgraceful. She's a terrible attorney. She lost her case to me. In fact, I won legal fees. The judge won legal fees which is pretty rare when you get that. But we beat her soundly. She's got a terrible reputation in my opinion. Has just a terrible reputation. Other lawyers have called me say how bad she was. Bottom line I beat her. And what happened is in the middle of everything, it wasn't breastfeed. You use the word breastfeed. It was breast pump. She wanted to pump in front of me during a deposition.

BASH: The way she described it was she wanted to take a break so she could take the pump out.

TRUMP: (INAUDIBLE) is my lawyer who was there. He said I have never seen like it. She wanted to breast pump in front of me. And I may have said that's disgusting. I may have said something else. I thought it was terrible. She was a horrible person, knows nothing about me. I see her, she is now the great expert on Donald Trump.

BASH: I guess the question isn't so much, you know, that she's an expert but she does have an experience which she clearly doesn't think.

TRUMP: Excuse me, and a very bad experience. She lost. And that's what the country needs. The country needs somebody that's going to win. We always lose. We lose on trade. We lose to China, Japan, Mexico. We lose to everybody. Wouldn't it be nice if we could finally win something? I beat her so badly. She's a vicious, horrible person.

BASH: Because you're not a politician, you know, we don't have your voting record to go on. We don't have, you know, we have your experience as a businessman and part of your experience are legal issues. TRUMP: Let me explain that. So many people are on television that

don't know me and they are like experts on me. You know, when Michael Jackson died, I knew him very well and everybody was talking about Michael Jackson. They didn't know him. They knew nothing. Some of them never even met him. And I sort of laughed at myself here they are talking about Michael Jackson. They never met him and that's what's happening with me.

BASH: But she -- I don't think anybody is saying she's an expert on Donald Trump.

TRUMP: Well, she claims to be.

BASH: She is somebody who is recounting an experience that she had.

TRUMP: She lost.

BASH: Right. That is my question for you is people are looking at that, they are thinking, OK, if he blows up at a lawyer in a deposition --

TRUMP: I didn't blow up.

BASH: Negotiating. What would you do if Vladimir Putin challenged you?

TRUMP: Believe me, he'd be -- I'd do very well with him. I get along with people. I didn't blow up at a deposition. I don't blow up. I'm a person --

BASH: So that didn't happen.

TRUMP: She made it up.

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BALDWIN: OK. So listening to him, comparing himself to Michael Jackson, talking about breast pumping, here is my question when I read about it first this morning, You know, the bit yesterday from the attorney saying, know, you cannot rape your spouse digging back from something decades ago. You have this that happened in 2011. I'm not defending this man but I'm just saying, do you think it is fair how sometimes the media can dig up something to obviously tarnish a reputation ahead of this debate a week from now?

[15:40:12] BASH: Look, this is what happens in the big leagues of politics. Donald Trump is well aware of being in the big leagues of every facet of pretty much of society already, talking about business, talking about Hollywood and this obviously ready for politics. And in politics, especially when you're the frontrunner which he is right now.

BALDWIN: Right.

BASH: You have opposition research coming out of the woodwork from all of the other campaigns. I'm sure that part of it. Some of it is, you know, just being resourceful in terms of being a reporter which I'm sure also is part what have happened at the "New York Times" that you kind of dig up, and as I -- that's why I mentioned to him the idea that he's not a politician and, you know, to get to know somebody's past and what makes them tick, it's not like how did you vote on x, y or z because it doesn't exist for him. It is how did he deal with people in business? How did he present himself?

And so, you know, in that way that's why perhaps this maybe is a bad example from his point of view because it clearly didn't go well. She has an ax to grind. But to find out some of these stories I think is important and I'm sure it's not over.

BALDWIN: Welcome to the big leagues, baby, in politics.

Dana Bash, much more of her interview on "the LEAD" in 20 minutes from now. So stay with us, of course, here on CNN. Thank you very much for sharing.

We will get you back to our breaking story here out of Cincinnati, Ohio. Now, what this prosecutor is calling the most asinine act that he has ever seen by a police officer. This video has just been released from this officer's body cam showing this deadly police shooting. We will discuss it next.

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[15:45:58] BALDWIN: Breaking news here out of Cincinnati, Ohio. This white police officer has now been indicted for the murder of an unarmed black man, an act that this prosecutor in the Cincinnati area has called the most asinine move he's ever seen an officer make.

Ray Tensing, the now fired University of Cincinnati police officer, has been indicted by an Ohio grand jury on murder charges. He's accused of shooting and killing 43-year-old Samuel Dubose in his head ten days ago during a traffic stop apparently because Dubose didn't have a front license plate.

Tensing did turn himself into authorities late this afternoon. We now also have his mug shot. This deadly encounter was caught on Tensing's police body cam. He said he initially pulled him over, as I mentioned, because he didn't have that front license plate. And so, we will show you this video of a traffic stop shown to members of the media as we also heard from the prosecutor who said this guy should never have been a police officer. But I have to warn you before you play it, it is graphic to watch.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Be straight up with me. Are you suspended?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, I'm not suspended.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why don't you have your license on you?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I just don't. I'm sorry. I'm going to my house.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Where do you stay at, down here?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right around the corner.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Well, until I can figure out if you have a license or not, if ahead and take your seat belt off for me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I didn't even do nothing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Go ahead and take your seat belt off.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stop, stop.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He's driving down. Someone's going to get run over.

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BALDWIN: With me now CNN legal analyst Sunny Hostin and Danny Cevallos.

So, Danny, let me actually begin with you on this one. We now know with this murder indictment, are we to presume this will then go to trial and he could face, what, up to life?

DANNY CEVALLOS, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: Well, I'm certain that -- yes, that it's going to be at least life and it's going to be -- it is not the kind of case that he is going to be able to plea out of. He is going to have to try this case. And somehow articulate some kind of self-defense argument because that's probably the only thing that I can imagine, unless Sonny has a suggestion, too. Self-defense is going to be his only chance that he had some articulable fear of deadly force before he pulled his firearm, and nobody seen it right now.

BALDWIN: Before I hear from you, actually, we kind has heard this yet. This is actually the officer's lawyer who just spoke as this officer turned himself in. Here you go.

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STEW MATTHEWS, OFFICER RAY TENSING'S ATTORNEY: I would be extremely upset with the way he handled this. And I think he has tried to create great prejudice against my client but that's what we have courts for because when all the evidence comes out I think that there will be a different version of what went on here that will be made public.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you've seen the tape.

MATTHEWS: I've seen the tape.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And what you saw on tape is not what Joe deters described.

MATTHEWS: Not what I saw. And I don't know -- there's a second tape also from Officer Lyndon Schmidt's body cam and I don't know if that has been released or not, but that also adds some clarity and details.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What's Officer Tensing's reaction to all of this?

MATTHEWS: I can't explain it. Obviously he's devastated, as am I. I'm not shocked that there was an indictment, a murder indictment just astounds me and Joe deters comments at that press conference astound me even more. And I'm highly offended by them.

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BALDWIN: Totally different perspective than anything, obviously, we've heard so far. We don't know. I guess whatever evidence he's alluding to, how would one defend the officer's action?

[15:50:00] SUNNY HOSTIN, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: Well, I'm a former prosecutor so he's really grasping at straws.

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HOSTIN: But you know, I think certainly this will be the duel of the tape. You know, the tale of the duel tapes. So they will probably start try to I think deconstruct what happened on the tape that we have all now seen and the jurors undoubtedly will have seen from this former officer's or former officer's perspective.

And remember what hat in Rodney King, I mean, I think we all saw that videotape and thought there's no way those officers will not be indicted. There is no way those officers won't be found guilty. And we know that they were. And so, at least for the first trial. So you know I think it's too early too soon for any prosecutor so say that there's no defense, for any prosecutor to say that this is a slam dunk, because there's never a slam dunk.

CEVALLOS: Let's break this down. You start with the initial stop, that front license plate, right? It is illegal in Ohio. It is a minor misdemeanor and it is grounds for a traffic stop. Now, we can argue about whether or not that's a ridiculous law.

BALDWIN: Two-tag state.

CEVALLOS: Thirty four states have it. They say it has to do with law enforcement, but really if it was that helpful to law enforcement, all 50 states would have it. It's about revenue. Then beyond that, the exit order. Yes, you can -- an officer can order someone out of the car for just a valid traffic stop. And most people don't know that. The Supreme Court case called (INAUDIBLE).

HOSTIN: For the officer's safety.

CEVALLOS: For the officer's safety. So, I would argue that right up until that exit order, he's probably acting constitutionally. And then, of course, people's got an issue, but up until that moment, everything -- I think Sunny would have to agree, up to that moment of that exit order, he is probably within procedure and acting constitutionally. BALDWIN: Let me just also jump in. This is something I haven't ask

anyone yet because we're focusing so much on this officer, who is obviously facing this murder, indicted. But then you have there was another officer on the scene. And that's what I wanted to ask you about. Because according to this police report, Officer Tensing, he repeated in this report that he was being dragged by the vehicle, and had to fire his weapon. The second officer says I could see the back of his pants and shirt, looked as if he had been dragged over a rough surface. Obviously, the prosecutor, he said look at the video, that didn't happen. Could that second officer be implicated, whatsoever?

HOSTIN: I think so. And I think we all have a lot of questions for that second officer, because what you are talking about is an officer perhaps falsifies a police report, perhaps corroborating something that didn't happen. He was pretty careful I think in the statement saying the back of his clothes looked as if, as opposed so saying, I saw him being dragged by a car. And so, he may be OK, but I think that we really have to look at the larger issue, is this sort of that blue wall of silence that we heard about so often, where officers cover for another officer's bad deeds. And if that is the case, is that something that's rampant in that particular police department. I mean, we're talking about Ohio, we are talking about Cincinnati, but let's remember, we have the Tamir Rice case, which was over a year -- almost a year ago in Cleveland, Ohio, 2014. Those officers got out of that car, shot that little boy 12 years old dead in seconds, and we haven't had an indictment yet.

And so, is this a problem that we're seeing in Ohio? Is this a problem that we're seeing in those police departments? Is this a problem of training? I think there are really larger issues at play when you talk about that second officer's account.

BALDWIN: OK. Sunny Hostin, Dennis Cevallos, we'll have more. Sure. Thank you both very much for now.

Next, we have to take you back to the breaking story here, this debris that's washed ashore off the cost here of an island in Madagascar. Possible new clue in the search. Folks, it's been over a year since flight MH370 disappeared from Kuala Lumpur. We have more on the debris. What could this be? That's next.

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[15:57:45] BALDWIN: All right. Breaking news here. CNN has learned airplane debris found on the coast of Madagascar here is being very closely examined to see if possibly this could be the missing Malaysian Airlines flight 370. Investigators say it's way too soon to know for sure, but I have an analyst Le Abend with me to walk through exactly what they'll be looking at. And we have some of these photos of whatever this maybe. So what do you see here? How will they figure it out?

LES ABEND, CNN AVIATION ANALYST: Well, once again, let's use our discretion for 239 families.

BALDWIN: Yes. Yes. ABEND: Because we know this may not be it. I mean, what I see there

is a piece of wing.

BALDWIN: Piece of a wing.

ABEND: What part of a wing, it's hard to saying, it could be (INAUDIBLE), a flap or what we call a flap around which is a combination of both. That slotted area right there, could be place where the actuator arm goes into it and actuates that particular device, that flight control surface. That's indeed a flight control surface. Obviously, that we're seeing barnacles on this piece of debris or piece of the aircraft from the sea, so indeed after a year and a half, certainly you would see something like that.

Dave Soucie, our analyst, safety analyst also indicated that the airplane has material called chromate, which prevents corrosion, you're not seeing that, which could be caused by the sea. It is hard to say -- listen, I've seen a 777 in its beautiful form intact wing, it's hard to recognize something in a piece.

BALDWIN: This picture -- oops, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 guys carries this wing. Richard Quest says that's notable.

ABEND: It is notable and it is a good point.

BALDWIN: Why?

ABEND: Because the 777 has got to be over 200 feet-long wing which has very section of flight control to it. And that could indeed be one section of the flight control in a 777.

BALDWIN: OK. Here's what we're hearing from Boeing again, way too early to know, but people are obviously raising the question, could it be Boeing says this -- Boeing remains committed to supporting the MH 370 investigation and the search for the airplane. We continue to share our technical expertise and analysis. Our goal, along with the entire global aviation industry continues to not only to find the airplane, but also to determine what happened and why.

Les Abend, thank you so much.

I'm Brooke Baldwin. Thank you so much for being with me. "The LEAD" with Jake Tapper starts right now.