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Aired August 5, 2015 - 15:00   ET

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ART RODERICK, FORMER U.S. MARSHAL: So, when they are telling everybody to shelter in place and do a lockdown, that's usually the first step until they can sort out exactly what's going on.

Now, luckily, at this point, obviously, information coming in this early is kind of sketchy, and we don't really have the correct information, and as you know, having covered many of these, this could change from minute to minute. But it sounds like that they are instituting active shooter protocols in this particular situation.

BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: Art Roderick, let's stay close with you, and as soon as we get more information on this active shooter situation at a movie theater in the Nashville area, we will bring it to you live here, but let's move on to our other breaking story.

I'm Brooke Baldwin, top of the hour. I want to welcome our viewers in the United States and around the world for our breaking news coverage of this massive discovery. We now have confirmation that what you will see here on screen is indeed -- this piece of this plane wing is indeed part of missing Malaysian Air Flight 370, this very first wreckage discovery in this mysterious disappearance here 15 months later here, this confirmation coming to us from the Malaysian prime minister, who addressed the world with these comments just a short time ago.

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NAJIB RAZAK, MALAYSIAN PRIME MINISTER: It is with a very heavy heart that I must tell you that an international team of experts have conclusively confirmed that the aircraft debris found on Reunion Island is indeed from MH370.

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BALDWIN: Moments later, a more measured French investigator appeared for a different news conference, this one in Paris, parsing his words a tad more, calling it a strong supposition that this wing part in a nearby suitcase does indeed belong to the plane that vanished without a trace 17 months ago.

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SERGE MACKOWIAK, PARIS DEPUTY PROSECUTOR (through translator): There's a very strong supposition that the flaperon found on the beach of the island of Reunion on the 29th of July actually does belong to the Boeing 777 of Flight MH370.

The design -- the Boeing design experts confirmed that this flaperon was for technical reasons quite obviously a Boeing 777 flaperon, and secondly the representatives of the company, of the Malaysia Airlines company, informed us of elements with regard to the specifications, the technical specifications of the MH370.

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BALDWIN: A plane part he is referring washed up on Reunion Island off the coast of Madagascar last weekend and was quickly confirmed to be a flaperon, as a piece of the wing belonging to a Boeing 777, the very same model aircraft as Flight 370.

We have this story covered for you from all corners of the globe here, all the way from France to Reunion Island, to Beijing.

I have got first CNN's Saima Mohsin, who is near Toulouse, where investigators have been conducting these examinations on this piece of the plane. Also, I have Will Ripley on Beijing and the family angle and how these family members have been notified in the middle of the night where he is. And, also Erin McLaughlin is there on Reunion Island, where the debris was first discovered.

But, Saima, let me just begin with you. We heard from the prosecutor in Paris. Remind us, you know, what he essentially was saying and echoing what the Malaysian P.M. was saying as far as where the investigation stands now.

SAIMA MOHSIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, hi, Brooke, a slightly more, as you put it, measured tone from the French prosecutor's office. This was the deputy prosecutor speaking.

A reminder to everyone why the French prosecution service is involved. That is because this is not just an air crash investigation. Brooke, this is a manslaughter case in France. The four French nationals on board Flight MH370, their families have brought that case, should hijacking or terrorism have been involved in the disappearance of that plane which disappeared more than 17 months ago.

Now, he took the tone of the process of elimination, a lot more caution, we heard, and when we said strong supposition or strong indication that this is from MH370, he brought forward two conclusions that they came to and gave us what happened really inside there. And that is that the Boeing experts that were present inside this lab today said that they could see that this was from a 777 aircraft.

The experts matched it to the 777. Then Malaysia Airlines people present and the officials from Malaysia Airlines said, yes, we believe that some aspects of this flaperon, you will remember, that's the part that goes up and down on an airplane wing, these are specific to flight MH370, the aircraft that MH370 was operating on.

[15:05:18] Those are the two reasons he gave. He didn't really go into as much

detail as I was hoping for, to be honest. The team and I here in Balma, near Toulouse, were expecting much more details about the tests, but he did say, Brooke, that more tests are to be conducted first thing Thursday morning here in France.

Now, that is perhaps why he didn't give more details about the -- how the plane went down, so we knew that from these tests they would be able to tell us if it is or isn't from MH370. The hopes and fears of the families of 239 passengers and crew on board resting on that determination.

And then moving forward, we know from these tests, from experts telling us and from the people involved, that they could tell us perhaps how the plane went down. And now, of course, there were barnacles on this plane, a lot of marine on this part of the plane, a lot of marine life.

Looking at that, marine experts will be able to tell how long it's been in the sea, potentially even which part of the Indian Ocean it's from, and that how is likely to come maybe in the days and weeks ahead, Brooke, but crucially they still can't tell us why. That will only come from the flight data recorders, Brooke.

BALDWIN: That's right. And part of that testing I know that they also found washed up what appears to be a passenger's suitcase. That's not been linked to the plane. Let's just be precise in our language. Thank you so much, Saima Mohsin, for that. I know they're testing that still as well.

Erin McLaughlin is live on Reunion Island, where last week, a cleanup worker along the shores there on the beach saw this piece of metal and alerted authorities and therefore it wound up in France.

Erin, the question to you, this is hopefully one of other pieces of debris that could potentially wash ashore. When will they be searching and where else will they be searching?

ERIN MCLAUGHLIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Brooke.

Well, they are searching here in Reunion Island. They're also searching in the nearby island of Mauritius, as well as the Seychelles Island some 1,200 miles away from here. And this is really difficult work, because talking about really long stretches of coastline and, of course, an expansive ocean that is full of garbage, plenty of potential for false alarm.

But people who have been volunteering their time here on Reunion Island to search the coastline, they tell me that they are dedicated to this effort. They want to help solve this mystery. They say they feel a connection to MH370 and not just because the flaperon washed up on the shores of this island, but because they are a close-knit community, they are family-oriented and just the idea that a plane could completely disappear, that loved ones could simply vanish is shocking to them, and they want to help But, you know, I was speaking to the head of one of these search efforts be and she said to me, you know, the sea operates on its own timetable, and it's up to us, she said, to be vigilant.

BALDWIN: All right. Erin McLaughlin, thank you so much on Reunion Island off of Madagascar.

With me here in New York, Brian Alexander and Richard Quest.

And, Richard, first to you. I mean, it's huge that they have been able to say, yes, this was a piece of this plane that had vanished some 15, 16 months ago, but the real question is what next and where are the other pieces of the plane and what happened?

RICHARD QUEST, CNN AVIATION CORRESPONDENT: I'm guessing, listening to Saima talking, I'm guessing that what Malaysia Airlines has seen or spotted is something maybe from a maintenance, something that identifies it as one of their aircraft.

BALDWIN: That's what we don't know yet.

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QUEST: We don't know what it is to say that they conclusively, but my sources in Malaysia tell me that the reason that the prime minister used the word conclusively was that was what his people in France told him.

BALDWIN: The investigators.

QUEST: Well, whoever -- the DCA, they told -- the DCA told back to Kuala Lumpur conclusively. That's the word they used, so I'm guessing something in there tells Malaysia Airlines they can recognize it, yes, that's one of our planes.

BALDWIN: OK.

I'm looking at you and I'm thinking legal, I'm thinking about these families, and I'm wondering now that they have said, yes, this is the plane, that still doesn't tell us, you know, why it went down, why it vanished, was it pilot error, was it something nefarious, so does that change anything for these families yet?

BRIAN ALEXANDER, ATTORNEY: No, I think you're right. We're hoping it's the first piece of the puzzle.

BALDWIN: Right.

ALEXANDER: We're hoping that the experts, the metallurgists, the folks that will be engaged to try to track where it came from, oceanographers and whatnot, will be able to find some evidence to, you know, start to explain what may have happened.

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But I think it's not likely that that's going to lead too far in terms of the ultimate cause. There's just -- it's just again one small piece and there's a lot more to be determined. Until they really get a handle on the FDR, the flight data recorder, on the CVR, the cockpit voice recorder, you're really not going to solve a lot of mysteries.

But, also, in fairness, there will be tests, there will be further analysis that's done and it may lead to some answers to some questions, maybe the beginning of an explanation and, again, may assist in some way in how the search effort needs to be adjusted if that's the case.

BALDWIN: Last time we talked, when they found this piece of -- this flaperon, and you said, yes, your firm had been in touch with one of the families.

I'm wondering -- and I know this is in the middle of night for a lot of these folks, especially in China just sort of getting this news now via text message. Has your firm been in touch with anyone, how they are responding?

ALEXANDER: Just a moment ago, I checked my phone again to make sure, you know, and we haven't heard anything yet from several of the folks who are really intensely monitoring this overseas for us, both family members and others.

And there really isn't a lot of news yet. What we expect is the same kind of an impact that we had earlier this week, a mixed bag of emotions. Some people still refusing to really come to grips with what this may mean and other people getting a sense of, yes, this is definitive. There has been a crash. And now I think the families will be mainly focused on hoping that it leads to some more information that they can actually deduce what happened here.

BALDWIN: Right.

Brian and Richard, stand by.

I have got to go back to our breaking story here, back to MH370 in just a second.

But I want to go back to what we're learning now about this active theater shooting situation in the Nashville, Tennessee, area.

I have Boris Sanchez, our correspondent here at CNN, who is getting some answers.

Can you give us an update, Boris? What happened or what is happening?

BORIS SANCHEZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Brooke, still very difficult to discern exactly what's going on.

Just a moment ago, I was told the Nashville P.D. has confirmed that the shooter is down, that a shooter has either been found dead or killed by police. We still don't know. All we know so far is that at about 1:15 today a call of an active shooter came into the Carmike 8 Cinemas in Antioch that's just outside of Nashville. Police tell CNN they know of no victims right now. There were reports

of people who were bloodied. Those reports have been refuted by some witnesses at the scene and CNN also spoke with employees at a Sprint store near the theater, and they us that police approached them shortly after the call for a shooting came in, asked them to lock their doors and also asked them if their building was connected in any way to the theater.

So it's clear they were searching for a suspect am some point. There's also a mall nearby and CNN has learned that that was locked down as well, but really the only clear information we have right now is that the shooter is down. We don't know the specific circumstances behind that and we also don't know if anyone was hurt or killed in the shooting, but, again, we are working the phones to find out -- Brooke.

BALDWIN: Boris, stay with me. I want to keep this conversation going, but I'm hearing we now have some sound from a witness there, perhaps at that theater. Let's listen.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I just dropped off my customer and I just heard all the (INAUDIBLE) coming out, all the police coming out. And it was very scary.

QUESTION: You're an Uber driver and were dropping someone out?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, ma'am.

QUESTION: Did you see people run out that were injured?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No. I just saw a lot of witness people get out from the restaurants and a lot of police, a lot of police running, you know, with their arm out and all that (INAUDIBLE) coming out.

QUESTION: OK, but you didn't see anyone actually leave the theater that looked to be hurt?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, no.

QUESTION: Did you see ambulances leave the area?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Not yet.

QUESTION: Would you say this is pretty much how the scene has looked?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, my God, yes, and worse.

QUESTION: It was worse?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, it was worse. It was very scary moments.

QUESTION: All right. Thank you very much for talking to us.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you.

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BALDWIN: That's one witness -- being handed a piece of paper. That as one witness here, this all just coming into us. So as this comes into us, let me just read you now the Nashville Police Department has now tweeted from their verified Twitter account -- quote -- "There was an active shooter suspect at Hickory 8 theater, suspect dead."

So they are taking it a step beyond, Boris, down. They're saying suspect dead.

I also have Art Roderick, who is I believe on the phone with me, former U.S. Marshal.

Art, when you heard suspect dead and you were saying, yes, law enforcement following the protocol when you get, unfortunately, a call like this that there's an active shooter situation in a confined space like a movie theater. What are -- how do you respond to that?

RODERICK: Well, I mean, I think, obviously we have had these before and each time we have one of these, unfortunately, we get a lot more educated and we up our training and our training gets specific for these types of incidents.

And when you hear this coming from Nashville P.D., then obviously the shooter either took himself or one of the law enforcement officers responded and took him out. So I think the key to these is how quickly law enforcement can get on site when they get these active shooter calls and obviously the last couple that we have heard, law enforcement has responded within minutes and that's the difference in saving lives.

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BALDWIN: Look at the presence of the law enforcement there on scene. This is Antioch, Tennessee, and as we're getting some of these pictures for the first time and learning from Nashville P.D. that in fact the suspect, the shooter is dead, I want to bring in Mattie Sanchez.

Mattie is the assistant manager of the Sprint store nearby.

Mattie, are you with me on the phone?

MATTIE SANCHEZ, SPRING STORE MANAGER: Yes, ma'am, I am.

BALDWIN: Tell me what you're seeing.

M. SANCHEZ: Out our front door, we see a lot of the emergency responders and the police from the area.

There's a few crowds, but it seems like a lot of the action actually is taking place towards the back of the building. We heard some gunshots just shortly a little while ago, and so we were thinking that something happened out back there. And we kind of heard that it looks like the gunman has been taken care of apparently, so...

BALDWIN: Hang on, Mattie. You're telling you heard gunshots yourself?

M. SANCHEZ: We did, mm-hmm.

BALDWIN: Tell me how many.

M. SANCHEZ: It was kind of a rapid fire, one time.

BALDWIN: And did you have any police come to your door asking you all questions? Did you have any theater-goers come to you all?

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M. SANCHEZ: No theaters-goers, but we did have a police officer come in our front door and ask that we lock up and that we stay towards the back of the building, just not to answer the door for anybody except for police.

BALDWIN: And how long ago was this all happening?

M. SANCHEZ: I'm sorry?

BALDWIN: How long ago? Are we talking in the last half-hour?

M. SANCHEZ: Yes, within the last half-hour.

BALDWIN: OK. And this part of Nashville, can you tell me what's in the area? Is this sort of a strip mall area with a movie theater and a number of stores and can you just describe...

M. SANCHEZ: It used to be the Hickory Hollow Mall.

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BALDWIN: Forgive me, Mattie. Let me cut you off.

Let's listen into this public information officer.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... report of an active shooter at the Hickory 8 movie theater. The individual is reported to have been armed with a gun and a hatchet.

At this point, there's a report that one person may have suffered a wound from the hatchet. That's still being sorted out by the fire department now trying to take a look at what injuries we may have here.

The response from the South Precinct was swift. An officer entered the theater where "Mad Max" was showing. The officer started at projection room and started clearing down. He encountered the gunman. The gunman opened fire on the South Precinct officer. That officer returned his fire and then backed away out of the theater. The SWAT team responded. The SWAT team engaged this gunman some

minutes later. There was gunfire and the gunman is deceased just inside the movie theater. So we believe the imminent threat has been ended. However, the gunman had two backpack-type bags with him, one on him, another that was left.

We want to make sure that there is no danger with those backpacks, so officers are working now from hazardous devices to clear those backpacks.

That's all I can give you at moment. We will have more later. That's a quick summary of an active situation that's still going on with the clearing of these backpacks.

QUESTION: Could you repeat the projector room part? We're live on TV right now.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The projector room part, it was "Mad Max," was the movie theater.

BALDWIN: That was, I presume, a public information officer there with the police department.

And so we have now learned the shooter who is dead now actually was armed not just with a gun, but with a hatchet, and so according to that officer one person may have suffered a hatchet wound, so that person is being treated. The movie was "Mad Max."

And just after it sounds like movie had started, there was a gunman.

And, Boris Sanchez, let me bring you in, because I'm not entirely sure, it sounds like the gunman opened fire at an officer and then SWAT came, they engaged the gunman and took the gunman down. Did you hear that a tad clearer than I did how that exchange happened?

B. SANCHEZ: What I have made out of it so far, Brooke, is that apparently there was an incident where someone may have been attacked with a hatchet inside the theater.

And that's kind of what sparked this whole thing. The PIO that you mentioned, he's trying to figure out along with firefighters whether or not someone was actually injured. As I mentioned earlier when I was talking to you, there were reports from witnesses that someone was bloodied at the scene. Those reports are still being sorted out, but it sounds like that's what triggered the whole thing. That's when a police officer showed up and started evacuating people.

And that's when gunfire was exchanged between the shooter and the police officer. As you heard the PIO say, the police officer then got out of the theater. The SWAT team came in. And after an exchange with the shooter, his body was discovered. I should say the body of the shooter was later discovered deceased inside that theater.

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But as you heard from that officer, it's still a very fluid, active situation. Obviously, answers still are being sorted out.

BALDWIN: Yes. It is way too early to clearly know what exactly happened and you're seeing -- we're seeing all the crime scene tape around and this tremendous effort from law enforcement, because, as we just heard, apparently this gunman had two backpacks.

One was found on him when he was taken down, and he's dead. And the other pack it sounds like is still on scene, and so they are bringing in their crews to try to determine if there's anything in there that they need to, you know, take a closer look at to determine if people can, you know, continue on along their lives.

Mattie, I know I still I have you with me, Mattie Sanchez, right there who works right around from the cinemas there at the Sprint store who was essentially told by police stay in there, lock the doors. We just heard, Mattie, from this public information officer this individual who was armed with a gun and a hatchet. Can you describe this -- describe this part of Nashville for me.

M. SANCHEZ: This part of Nashville, we have a -- I mean, it's been busy.

It's probably an average part of town. There's a community college right across from the store from us. It's the Nashville Community College and there's libraries and campuses around, so, I mean, it's an active area. We always see a lot of police patrolling here, a lot of ambulances because we're right next to the interstate, so it's just a really busy part of the area.

BALDWIN: And, again, for people just joining us, describe for me -- you're still inside this store that's just adjacent to this movie theater that is -- we're looking at two ambulances. As we just heard from the PIO, one individual appears to be wounded from a hatchet. Tell me what you're seeing right now.

M. SANCHEZ: We can see probably one ambulance pulling away currently and there's two or three just parked. There's a fire truck and we see multiple police cars. Right now, we're taped in. Just we were told to stay inside.

And, again, a large number of police presence. There's a few civilians out there, but they are kind of back a little ways. And then in the back of our store, we see, again, more SWAT and more police vehicles in the back off of Mount View Drive. There's a lot of people back there as well.

BALDWIN: Mattie, stay with me, please. I believe I still have Art Roderick on the phone, former U.S. Marshal.

And, Art, when you here that this gunman apparently had these two bags and so that's one of the reasons they want to keep everyone on scene to try to determine if they can clear the scene based upon what is in the bag that the individual left behind, tell me how they are doing that.

RODERICK: Well, obviously, there could be a possibility of some explosives in the bag and that's a key part of checking these two backpacks out.

Obviously, if there's a possibility of some explosives in there, then they are going to have to -- the explosive ordnance test and they will go ahead and answer those as they generally do. But I think the other keep part is, OK, how did he get there? Is there a vehicle in the parking lot?

Obviously, they are going to have to figure out what to do with that vehicle. And then the key part of this, OK, what's his motivation? And I think we know the two scenarios that we're probably looking at here. Is this just strictly a criminal act or is this something motivated by online, you know, as we have seen in past incidences like this?

BALDWIN: Right, right.

You think hatchet, I think of the hatchet attacks here some months ago here in New York.

Art, stay with me. I have got some more sound here from the ground in the Nashville area from another witness. Let's listen.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I just dropped off my customer and I just heard all the (INAUDIBLE) coming out, all the police coming out. And it was very scary.

QUESTION: You're an Uber driver and were dropping someone out?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, ma'am.

QUESTION: Did you see people run out that were injured?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No. I just saw a lot of witness people get out from the restaurants and a lot of police, a lot of police running, you know, with their arm out and all that (INAUDIBLE) coming out.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BALDWIN: So that is one witness and these are now pictures here, crime scene tape and ambulances on scene, SWAT team there, as we can confirm via Twitter and the Nashville Police Department that the shooter -- we were talking about an active shooter situation inside this theater there in the Nashville area.

The shooter is dead. We just heard from this public information officer that this individual showed up at the beginning of the "Mad Max" movie armed with a gun and a hatchet. Again, the gunman is dead and according to this PIO, one person may have suffered a hatchet wound.

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Mattie -- I have Mattie on the phone with me, works at this nearby Sprint store. Again, for people who are just now tuning in and hearing about this

and again it's with such a heavy heart we have to even talk about this, just given what happened a couple weeks ago in Lafayette, Louisiana, during the movie there, and the shopping there and also I am so mindful of this trial that's now playing out in the wake of the Aurora theater shooting in Colorado.

Mattie, you're looking out your store door and you see crime scene tape and SWAT teams. What else are you seeing? Tell me about the area.

M. SANCHEZ: Well, we just again -- right now, they are just kind of clearing some stuff up. We still see emergency vehicles.

We have currently a police officer walking this direction. I don't know if that means they are going to start taking down tape or what's going on, letting us know hopefully that we can unlock our doors and everything is clear to go. So the officer is going to probably pull on our door right now. I will let you know what he says.

BALDWIN: Let's stay on with you. We would love to hear what he's going to say.

M. SANCHEZ: (INAUDIBLE) asking us on FOX News. OK. He's asking who is on our -- asking us who is on FOX News.

BALDWIN: Mattie, let me ask you. You said you all -- we're looking out this location. It's just off the interstate. I'm wondering if there's a lot of traffic that you get on any given weekday at a movie theater.

How crowded -- do you even -- do you know how crowded the movies would be this time of day?

M. SANCHEZ: Normally, they can fill up the parking lot that they have. They have probably three or four rows that will go probably 1,000 feet back.

And so it's a fairly large -- it's like a dollar theater. So, it's kind of large. They probably fit maybe 150 to 250 cars right there. So -- but -- and I do believe that we saw this gentleman walking -- since he had a couple of backpacks with him this morning and he was walking. He tried to open our backdoor. And he walked kind of around. And we saw him a couple of times this morning.

BALDWIN: Hang on a second. You're telling me you think you saw the gunman who tried coming in the backdoor of your store with these backpacks? Why do you think that?

M. SANCHEZ: We saw a gentleman with two backpacks. If it's the same gentleman, I don't know, but he kind of pulled on our backdoor trying to get in, and then also we saw him walking in front of our store earlier this early morning about 11:00.

BALDWIN: Just to be crystal-clear, we cannot say for sure whether or not this was indeed the shooter, but what leads you believe beyond the fact that this person had two backpacks, which is what the public information officer identified that the gunman as having, what more gives you that sense that it was?

M. SANCHEZ: We were just hearing kind of what they were saying, there was two backpacks he used. And we didn't have any interaction with him, more than just tell him, hey, this is our backdoor. It's not for public access.

But other than that, we haven't done anything. We saw him walk and that's about it. It could be him. He's the only one that I have seen with two backpacks around here.

BALDWIN: Was he acting forceful? Was he banging on backdoor? Was he saying anything?

M. SANCHEZ: He jiggled the handle, basically, and it opened, so...

BALDWIN: The door opened and that's when someone had a conversation with him. And did you all ask him to leave?

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M. SANCHEZ: He opened the door and then closed it. And then one of our other employees kind of went to see who it was and told him, you know, this is not for public access. This is our backdoor. You can't come in here. If you need something, you can come around the front door.

BALDWIN: And so how did he react to that? Did he leave?

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M. SANCHEZ: I was not the one that interacted with him. He did not come into the store, but we did see him walk by twice, one going towards the movie theater and one kind of coming back.

BALDWIN: OK. And what time of day was this when he was trying to come in the backdoor of the Sprint store? Early in the morning?

M. SANCHEZ: It was between 10:30 and 11:00.

BALDWIN: OK.

And then from my understanding on the timeline, it was a couple hours later when he was in this theater. What other -- just trying to understand.

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M. SANCHEZ: He had like a yellowish shirt on with black pants, and had two -- two backpacks with him.

BALDWIN: Mattie, I'm just trying to understand this area here. You mentioned like the dollar theater and your Sprint store. What else is in the strip mall?

M. SANCHEZ: There is Zaxby's. There is a Family Dollar. There's a City Gear.

And it's just the old mall that has been kind of converted into a college across the way from us.