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Donald Trump Continues to Lead in Latest Polls; Hillary Clinton Explaining E-Mail Investigation; Rise and Fall of Jared Fogle; Second Explosion in Bangkok. Aired 8-9p ET
Aired August 18, 2015 - 20:00 ET
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[20:00:11] ANDERSON COOPER, CNN HOST: Good evening. Thanks for joining us.
A lot happening tonight including breaking news including Jared, the former subway sandwich guy and possible child pornography charges. We will have the very latest on that coming up.
Also, major developments tonight for the two biggest names in campaign 2016 -- Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton. She addresses the allegations about how she hand emails when she was secretary of state and we'll bring you her remarks shortly. He gets another boost in the polls. Take a look.
New CNN numbers out today showing Mr. Trump out front by double digits nationwide among Republican voters, 24 percent to Jeb Bush's 13 percent with everyone else in the single digits. That's a huge lead. It is a growing lead and it is not the only reason for Donald Trump to be pleased.
Tonight, Tom Foreman has been looking at the numbers and joins us now -- Tom.
TOM FOREMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes. Hey, Anderson. It seems like Republican voters, registered voters, on every issue are increasingly falling in line behind Donald Trump. Who should handle the economy, 45 percent say it should be Donald Trump. Who should handle immigration issues, 44 percent say Donald Trump. Who should handle ISIS and problems with terrorism, 32 percent say Donald Trump.
This is also turned into a rout on the favorability question here. Fifty seven percent of Republican men now saying they have a favorable opinion of Trump, 60 percent of Republican women saying they have a favorable opinion of Donald Trump. And that is what has produced the very number you mentioned a moment ago, Anderson. The idea that Trump is actually now at 24 percent in terms of people who would vote for him right now in the horse race -- Anderson.
COOPER: And how does the rest of the field compare there?
FOREMAN: Yes. Well, you can see here. You mentioned a moment ago what's happening with Bush. Bush is the only one who seems to be in striking range here at 13 percent. And that's not a robust position. Everyone else, Carson, Walker, Rubio, Paul, Fiorina, Kasich, they're all lagging far behind right now, Anderson. COOPER: And is there any sign that Trump has been hurt by any of the
statements you made about women or about illegal immigrants?
FOREMAN: You know, everyone thought he would be. But I want to you look at something here. If I bring in a graph her and we talk about back in May when he was just saying, he might run for office. Back then, only three percent of people out there said they would vote for him. Everybody else was in front of him basically. Then he actually announced, and remember, he made the explosive comments about people coming across the Mexican border saying that a lot of these people were drug dealers and rapists. Everyone said that would be poison to his campaign. Look what happened to the numbers. It jumped up higher to 12 percent. Suddenly, he was in the game. Then he made those comments about John McCain saying he was only a war hero because he got captured. Everyone said that's the end of the Trump campaign. Look what happened. The numbers jumped again and he started leading the race.
And now, he has made these comments about a breast feeding woman being disgusting and all the things they talk about women out there that people said, again, is going to poison his campaign and look at the latest numbers.
Now, he has jumped to a commanding lead. There is one thing here, though, Anderson, I think everyone has to bear in mind, one other number, though. When you talk about the general election, actually winning the White House, and you ask those very same Republican who are so excited about Donald Trump right now, would you have a better chance of winning that race with someone other than Trump, big number here, 58 percent say yes. For all good news in here for Trump, that is bad news for this campaign -- Anderson.
COOPER: Tom, thanks very much.
Also just want to just for complete accuracy, I believe it was not a breastfeeding woman. It was a woman who an attorney who said she wanted to pump for breast milk for her infant. Trump claims it was in front of him. She claims she wanted to do it outside but posing deposition. That's what alleged the word disgusting.
So much of that polling to talk about, a lot to talk about tonight including the somewhat contradictory notion which you just mentioned there that Donald Trump is both the over whelming Republican front- runner. It also the subject of doubt about his viability as a general election candidate.
Joining us, CNN political commentator and Democratic strategist Paul Begala, currently runs a pro-Clinton super PAC. Also, Amanda Carpenter, former communications director for Senator Ted Cruz, and CNN senior political reporter Nia-Malika Henderson.
Amanda, I mean, at this point, poll after poll all showing Trump maintaining his lead, extending his lead. The others struggling against him. At what point do more establishment Republicans have to accept that this is really happening? That his dominance of the field is maybe not some summer fling. AMANDA CARPENTER, FORMER COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR FOR SENATOR TED CRUZ:
Well, this poll makes it a fact that he is leading in the CNN nationwide polls, the Iowa polls, the New Hampshire polls. But what I think is particularly fascinating about the CNN poll is that it includes a good number of independents who identified as Republicans. In another era, they may have been classified as Reagan Democrat.
If you look at the rhetoric that Donald Trump is using in places like (INAUDIBLE), Michigan where he is messaging jobs in the context of how China and Mexico are hurting American workers by manipulating currency, cheating on trade rules, illegal immigration, this is aimed at the working class voter that I think has been abandoned by the Democratic Party and causing the people to give the Republican party a second look and explains part of the unconventional pop that Donald Trump have.
[20:05:15] COOPER: Paul, do you agree with that? That this is sort of appealing to what used to be Reagan Democrats?
PAUL BEGALA, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: No. No. No. He's appealing to angry white men which we call them now Republicans.
COOPER: High favorabilities among GOP women there.
BEGALA: God bless them. And I think, look. I couldn't be happier. This is the Trumpification (ph) of the Republican Party. I'm always amused and Amanda is not doing it because she is too smart. But I have Republican friends who look me in the eye with a straight face and say well, Trump doesn't represent the Republicans. Wait, he is the Republican candidate who is leading among Republicans in the Republican polls. He is the Republican Party. He defines it.
Now, I'm just curious because I don't think he is going to make it all the way. I don't think he is going to be the nominee. As I have said, God is good to me but not that good. What is going to croak him? As Tom pointed out, you pointed out. First off, he was the king of birtherism. And that seems to be OK with Republicans. Did he accuse Mexican immigrants, some of them, if being rapist and murderers and all of that nonsense. The attack of FOX News host for doing her job and asking tough question in the debate. He attack John McCain for being a POW.
None of that hurt. What is going to hurt? That's what-I don't want - I just can't wait to find out. What on earth is going to hurt this guy among if they love all that, what will it take to bring him back down to earth?
COOPER: And Nia, I mean, you compare his favorability ratings with Jeb Bush. His unfavorable number among registered Republican has gone up eight points from just a month ago. That can't be good news for the campaign.
NIA-MALIKA HENDERSON, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL REPORTER: That's right. It can't be good news for the campaign. They have decided to sort of wage a tortoise and hare campaign. They are the tortoise. They want to kind of go about their own way. They have given some policy speeches.
I think we are going to see something of a shift in the next weeks as their super Pac right as Bush's super Pac starts to spend $10 million on ads in these early states. And in that way, they want to get the message out about Jeb Bush that he is conservative too.
And I think their bet is that so far Trump hasn't been able to fall on his own weight. It is true that people who tried to deck him, people like Rand Paul haven't had much success. But if they start to make case Jeb Bush's campaign about Jeb Bush, that he is not only electable, he is also conservative, then maybe that will start to turn the tide a bit. But we will have to see. So far, as Paul said, nothing really has worked in terms of sort of putting, you know, putting cold water on this Trump bump.
COOPER: Yes, Amanda, it is fascinating because I mean, people say well, he doesn't give specifics so now he starts to do that. I mean, as much as he does, he says he wants, you know, to take the oil from Iraq. He wants to bring in oil companies. He basically wants to take oil and bomb the hell out of ISIS. He says, you know, that he gave out his immigration plan which was really pilloried by many GOP candidates and many in the Republican Party. And a lot of people said look, it is just not, it just doesn't make sense. It is just not really feasible. And yet you look at the numbers. The voters not only like him, they trust him. They trust him to handle the economy, to tackle ISIS, address illegal immigration. I mean, I haven't heard one military official saying that his military plan against ISIS is actually even viable. Lindsey Graham I think called it insane. Do you think none of the other candidates even come close to matching him on those issues?
CARPENTER: Well, here is the thing. It is early in the process and I think voters get the idea that Donald Trump does what he means and means what he says. And because he has such a big personality, nothing sticks to the line done, you know. And so, people just want to hear more of what he has to say. And we are going to have to see this process play out. But for now, the personality and charisma is enough to carry the game for 25 percent of the vote.
COOPER: Paul, I mean, you know, you have been involved in a lot of campaigns. You've seen the ebb and flow of campaigns. How - I mean, to answer your own question, can you answer your own question? What is -- if you don't believe that Trump is going to go all the way, what do you believe is actually going to bring him down? Is there any precedent that you can look back on other campaigns and say there was a Teflon candidate before but over time, this and this and this, opened voters eyes?
BEGALA: Not really like this. And I know a lot of trump's supporters compare him to President Reagan. I think that is not fair. I don't think anybody is another Ronald Reagan. Ronald Reagan was a once in a lifetime talent.
But I don't know. What is going to happen is I think he has a very high ceiling. You said 24 in our poll? He might be able to get to 34. But at some point, the field will (INAUDIBLE). And instead 17. You know, he looks great at 24. Meanwhile, we say Hillary looks weak. She is at 49. Well, that's because Hillary is only has three opponents and really one that is only one doing very well. So that 49 is not as powerful. Twenty-four looks great in a 17 candidate field. It is not going to look as great when you get down to two or three. He may continue to grow. As long as the universe is limited to Republicans only. He is going to continue to do pretty well. At some point you have to run among all Americans, moderates and independents and Democrats, and that's where he just can never be president of the United States.
[20:10:17] COOPER: Nia, is it a fair criticism, one of the complaints that Trump's poll numbers correlates to media coverage of him, that he is far more accessible and pretty much any of the other candidates out there and because viewers want to see him. People want to book him. You know, he is an interesting person to talk to. He likes the cameras. In that, is that a fair criticism?
HENDERSON: Well, in some ways but he has exploited that advantage. I mean, he dials up our number and calls us here to CNN. He has, you know, blanketed the airways and the other candidates haven't chosen to do that. That could certainly come on our air as well and be that active in the way that Donald Trump has been active on twitter as well.
So you know, I think in some ways there is a sort of symbiotic relationship between Trump and the press. But I also think these other candidates could do themselves some good by getting out there more. So far, I mean, it appears like Donald Trump is sort of the Fonzie of this race and everybody else is like Richie Cunningham and how they change that, I don't know.
COOPER: Well, Fonzie eventually jumped the shark. But it took many, many years and he was hugely popular for all those years. I was a huge Fonzie fan so I can tell you a lot about that.
Nia-Malika Henderson, thank you. Amanda Carpenter and Paul Begala as well.
Up next, we are going to look closer at the strong support that Donald Trump now enjoys among Republican women despite what he said that was brought up during the FOX News debate.
Later, also, Hillary Clinton weighing in on the email controversies surrounding her candidacy and some say threatening to drag it down.
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HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I regret that this has become such a cause Celebra. But that does not change the facts. And no matter what anybody tries to say, the facts are stubborn.
[20:15:49] COOPER: Welcome back.
We have been talking about Donald Trump, the latest poll numbers that show him with a large lead right now. But the notion that Donald Trump is leading the Republican field should not be surprising, that in and of itself. He has, after all, led in virtually every poll for weeks now despite the numerous controversy that's might sink ordinary candidates. He, as we have said, defies the laws of political gravity so far.
What might be surprising to some including some political pundits is that Donald Trump is doing especially well among Republican women. Let's look at the numbers, 60 percent favorable number in that CNN poll that showed at the top of the broadcast. Now, that is three percentage points higher among Republican men.
More now on the women who are behind those numbers from our Randi Kaye.
RANDI KAYE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Donald Trump knocking super model Heidi Klum in "the New York Times" saying Heidi Klum sadly she is no longer a 10. Klum fired back tweeting this video with the #HeidiTrumpsTrump. Still, it seems no matter what Trump says about women, more and more Republican women like what they see even after blasted FOX News' Megyn Kelly.
HEATHER HALTERMAN, TRUMP SUPPORTER: I don't feel like what he says about women is really degrading. I don't.
KAYE: Trump supporter Heather Halterman volunteers for his campaigns in Iowa. She's heard it all. Trump writing that "New York Times" columnist Gayle Collins has a dog face. That he called a female lawyer disgusting for asking to breast feed and that time he called Rosie O'Donnell a fat loser.
DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: She came to my wedding. She ate like a pig. And seriously, the wedding cake was like missing in action.
HALTERMAN: He has a lot of great ideas.
KAYE: It sounds like what you're saying is that what he says about women is almost secondary to what you think he can do for the country.
KAYE: It doesn't bother you. These are far more important.
HALTERMAN: Far more important. And I feel like as a mom of two young kids, I feel like our country is going down the drain. And I want to make sure they have a really good future ahead of them.
KAYE: For Heather, a good future for her boys includes building a wall at our southern border.
HALTERMAN: The overflow of people coming in, I feel is just detrimental to this country. And the middle class is getting wiped out. KAYE: She also likes that Trump is pro-Israel. Sharing this photo of
herself with Trump and her friend who survived the holocaust. And she agrees with Trump. The tax code must be fixed. And the military built up.
The college student Katy Utterbach has faith Trump will improve the job market. So she signed on as his youngest Iowa caucus leader. She likes his straight talk and says women should not be ultrasensitive to his remarks.
KATHY UTTERBACH, TRUMP SUPPORTER: If you're in the business, you're playing man's game. You're going to saddle up your boots and you are just going to have to take it like a woman, like a cow girl.
KAYE: Still, plenty of Republican women want to hear more from Trump.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Donald Trump has a lot of work to do in defining the kinds of issues that are important to women. And then telling us what he's going to do specifically.
KAYE: Kim says Republican women like Trump because he's not beholden to anyone and his lack of political correctness is like a magnet.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think his message of making America great again is something we all want to believe.
KAYE: Can Donald Trump really make America great again? Even some supporters aren't sure. But the diehard Trump fans are believers.
He's never been a politician. Could you see him talking to world leaders?
HALTERMAN: I would be so proud to call him President Trump.
KAYE: Randi Kaye, CNN, Des Moines, Iowa.
COOPER: Let's dig deep now in to the women in Donald Trump's political life and how much of that support he can expect from women voters in the general election should he win the GOP nomination.
With us, CNN political commentator Ana Navarro and Jeffrey Lord. Ana is a GOP strategist. He is close to Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio. Jeffrey served as White House political director during the Reagan administration.
So Ana, I mean, for all the talk about Trump's comments about women, how do you account for the number showing him with more support among Republican women than any other candidate?
[20:20:10] ANA NAVARRO, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST: I can't. I mean, I stopped to trying to make sense out of any of this some weeks ago because it is really a mission impossible. Take all the conclusions that logic would have you get to and turn them upside down. And that's where we are in this GOP race right now. And I think the Democrats are feeling it too.
Look, I think that Donald Trump is tapping into people who are frustrated, who are mad, mad as hell. And if you've ever met Republican women, you can figure out that they can get just as mad as anybody else, if not more mad. You've dealt with me so I think you may have an idea that that happens.
You know, he's appealing to that. He is appealing to that and people are frustrated. And he is singing to that hymn right now. And I think, you know, the other candidates need to get the message loud and clear that there is enormous frustration with Washington, with politics as usual, with politicians as usual. And they need on figure out how they're going to sell their message and try to stand out as not usual.
COOPER: Jeffrey, I mean, you know the argument that, yes, women who vote in the Republican primary could help Trump get the nomination. But does it really matter if he doesn't have the same support for moderate or even liberal women who vote in the general election? Do you buy that or do you see room for growth for him?
JEFFREY LORD, FORMER REAGAN WHITE HOUSE POLITICAL DIRECTOR: No, I do see room for growth for him. You know, I asked a woman friend of mine who is a conservative, the very question you are asking here, knowing I was coming on. And she said Republican women, conservative women are logical.
I'm looking at this poll numbers. It is astonishing to me, I must say. When you asked women who could best handle the economy, he wins by almost 30 points over Jeb Bush who is the closest to him and much more over the other candidates. And it is similarly true for the different issues.
I think it is because Donald Trump has this reputation as a mister can do. That they are concerned, women are concerned, Americans are concerned about jobs, about the economy. That's what they're looking for and this is somebody who has a serious track record that people have been familiar with for years. And he is blunt spoken. You know, as ironically, I think Roger Ailes wrote of FOX wrote a book here called "you are the message." Donald Trump is the message. And his success is the message. And I think his audience gets that.
COOPER: And Ana, I mean, it is not just that Trump has a lead among Republican women. He is also using women's issues as a way to attack his opponents, particularly Jeb Bush. I mean, Trump has been all over him for comments to Bush made about women's health funding which he later said he misspoke about, but Trump has been, you know, hammering that now for quite a while.
NAVARRO: Listen, he's been hammering everything and everybody. As I told you, it makes no sense. One of the things that makes no sense is that he has been hammering Carly Fiorina. Carly Fiorina has been hammering him for having come out against Megyn Kelly and some of the things he said about her and Carly Fiorina has also gone up. So really, it is almost like anything goes. And we just have to stop making sense of it. To me, Donald Trump is like the perfect storm encapsulated in a
candidate. He has limitless resources. He has limitless name I.D., celebrity status and he is tapping into tremendous anger with the dysfunction and politics as usual. And he is entertaining.
So you know, I think you have a little bit of everything going on. I want to see just what level this category this storm gets to.
COOPER: Yes, I mean, so a lot of people obviously.
Jeff, you know, we talk a lot about favorability ratings. Trump has 60 percent among Republican women. How does he transfer that favorability into actual support? Actual voters in New Hampshire? Actual caucus goers? In Iowa? Do you think there's a certain amount as people right now saying they know him the most, they say, yes, I like him. But will those people turn up to caucus and to come out? Do we know the answer to that?
LORD: Yes. I mean, I think we do. I mean, I think first of all, he is building a very good organization in Iowa. I mean, this is sort of under the radar here. But he is doing very well I think in an organizational sense.
So I do think, I mean, this is a guy who is results oriented. And I have to believe that he is running this campaign in the same way that he runs the Trump organization. I mean, Trump tower and all these other, you know, multiple projects didn't appear because out of magic. He got them done. He was the driving force. I think that's what's going on here.
COOPER: Again, fascinating. Ana Navarro, thank you. Jeffrey Lord as well.
Quick program note. "NEW DAY's" Chris Cuomo sits down tomorrow with Donald Trump. We'll bring you a portion interview here on the program tomorrow night. Then at 9:00 eastern Chris is going to host an hour long CNN special report. Again, that is 9:00 eastern right after "360" on CNN.
Up next, Hillary Clinton getting a grilling on her emails. There were some sharp exchanges with the reporters who were asking. We'll show you what she had to say.
Also, the latest on a real shocker. Jared Fogle, the former subway guy and child porn charges, what sources are telling us about a possible guilty plea tomorrow.
[20:29:22] COOPER: Hillary Clinton late today addressed the email controversy that has been dogging her campaign and giving ammunition to her opponents. She spoke to reporters right after a friendly town hall meeting in north Las Vegas, Nevada. There were some sharp exchanges and firmed denials from the Democratic frontrunner about her use of a private home mail server while she was a public servant.
Our senior Washington correspondent Jeff Zeleny has all the details. He joins us now.
So what's the latest on this? What did she say about it?
JEFF ZELENY, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: Anderson, Hillary Clinton gave one of her biggest defenses we've heard so far about the email process. And she said, look, I did not knowingly read or send any messages that were marked classified. But then she dogged all of it deeper and tried to explain once again, yet again, why does she use this email server at all. So she talked it more at length than we have heard before. Let's take a listen.
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HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I take responsibility. This didn't turn out to be convenient at all. And I regret that this has become such a cause celebra. But that does not change the facts. And no matter what anybody tries to say, the facts are stubborn. What I did was legally permitted. Number one. First and foremost. OK? Number two, I turned over out of an abundance of an attempt to be helpful over anything that I thought was even vaguely related. In fact, they've already concluded 12 - more than 1,200 of the e-mails I gave them have nothing to do with the work. And I said make them public. And that's the process that one goes through to make them public. So, I know there is a certain level of, you know, sort of anxiety or interest in this. But the facts are the facts.
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ZELENY: The facts are the facts. But the old adage in politics, I think, Anderson, kind of comes into play here. If you're explaining, you're losing. It takes so long to explain exactly what happened here and she didn't also mention, there are investigations underway. The Justice Department is investigating this. Congressional hearings are going to begin in the fall. She'll have to testify in October. So, this is not the end of her explaining. But you could just tell, they're trying to go through it. But these facts as she said are stubborn.
COOPER: Yeah, I mean these investigations could go on for a long, long time. She was asked whether or not she never tried to wipe her email server. How would she respond?
ZELENY: She was asked if she tried to wipe her server. And she used a little bit of humor we've seen her trying to inject into this a little bit lately. You know, it is part of her message to show that she is, you know, staying cool and level headed about all this. But it was a funny moment, but perhaps revealing as well. Let's take a listen.
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CLINTON: My personal e-mails are my personal business, right?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But so, did you try to wipe the whole server? You didn't answer the question.
CLINTON: I'm, you know - I don't - I have no idea. That's why we turned it over.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You were in charge of it. You were the official authority. Did you wipe the server?
CLINTON: Like with a cloth or something?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don't know. You know how it works digitally. Did you try to wipe the whole server?
CLINTON: I don't know how it works digitally at all.
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ZELENY: And right there saying I don't know how it works digitally at all is perhaps the question. The FBI has said, that they believe that they can recover information from that server that was supposedly electronically wiped clean. So we'll see how they do it and if they reveal their findings in the coming weeks, Anderson.
COOPER: She also spoke about immigration, right?
ZELENY: She did and on this score, she was more than happy to talk about this. This this is something that Democrats really believe is a positive for them as they look forward to the general election. She talked about Donald Trump without naming him specifically. But of course, she too is eager to talk about his immigration plan that he announced just yesterday that is really echoing throughout this whole presidential campaign. Let's listen.
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CLINTON: What is being said by those running on the Republican side is incredibly offensive. And it is unrealistic, it is mean-spirited. I run out of adjectives. The idea that the United States of America would round up 11 or 12 million people and deport them is absolute fantasy.
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ZELENY: And by saying this in Nevada, Anderson, very, very important. A key early state, but also a state with so many Hispanic voters, Latino voters here. So, this is what Democrats believe, the long term strategy. They believe it's good for them. Don't forget that autopsy by the Republican National Committee conducted after Mitt Romney lost the election said Republicans need to do a better job reaching out to Hispanic voters. Pretty tough to do that and she seized on that moment today.
COOPER: Jeff, I appreciate the reporting. Jeff Zeleny. Just ahead, breaking news. Former Subway spokesman Jared Fogle expected to plead guilty to child porn charges. We'll have the details on that. And another bomb in Bangkok. Thankfully, no one was injured in the second explosion after the deadly bomb yesterday killed at least 22 people. We'll have the latest in the investigation. And a suspect caught on surveillance video when we continue.
COOPER: There is breaking news tonight. Former Subway spokesman Jared Fogle is expected to plead guilty to child porn charges. That's according to two law enforcement officials. Last month, as you may remember, investigators raided Fogle's home in Indiana and seized electronics. Now, at the time Subway said it believed the search was related to an earlier investigation of someone who used to work for Fogle's foundation that fights childhood obesity. Brian Todd joins me now with the latest. So, what do we know about the charges and what exactly is he facing?
BRIAN TODD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Anderson, tonight, according to two law enforcement officials, as you mentioned, Jared Fogle is expected to plead guilty to charges related to possession of child pornography. This comes from our law enforcement correspondents, Pamela Brown and Evan Perez. CNN affiliate WXIN is reporting that the U.S. Attorney's office in Fogle's home district in Indiana is going to hold a news conference tomorrow to discuss the case. We have reached out to the U.S. attorney's office and to Jared Fogle's attorney. We have not yet heard back tonight. Jared Fogle is one of the best known pitch men in the fast food industry. A little over five weeks ago there was a surprising scene at his home. Federal and state law enforcement agents raided Fogle's home in Indiana. They carted off computers and other electronics. And virtually, at the same moment the Subway chain suspended its relationship with Fogle, Anderson.
COOPER: And that raid, that was about two months after his foundation's executive director was arrested on child pornography charges. Do we know if the two investigations are connected? I mean it seems hard to believe they're not.
TODD: Well, they aren't connected probably on the surface or possibly legally at this time, but there could be some connection there, Anderson. At the time of the raid last month, Subway did issue a statement saying, quote, they believe it is related to a prior investigation of a former Jared Foundation employee. Now at the time, Subway did not name the employee. But in May of this year, Russell Taylor who worked for Fogle's anti-obesity foundation was charged with seven counts of producing and possessing child pornography. According to the charging document, there were two thumb drives found in Russell Taylor's home, which had child pornography on them.
And also have references to Taylor's employee. Taylor's attorneys are not commenting tonight, Anderson.
COOPER: And has the company, I mean I know Subway obviously, they cut ties with him last month. Have they commented?
TODD: They did cut ties with Fogle in about a split second last month when all of this occurred, Anderson. This evening, Subway did tweet a statement saying "we no longer have a relationship with Jared. And have no further comment." This is a partnership of, as you know, Anderson that had been a huge success for 15 years. They both made a lot of money from each other. Jared Fogle is said to be worth about $15 million right now.
COOPER: Brian, thanks very much. I appreciate it. Joining me now, CNN senior legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin. What do you make of this?
JEFFREY TOOBIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, you know, he is in a world of trouble, to put it mildly. You know, pornography, the government has basically stopped prosecuting adult pornography. If people want to have sex on camera, if people want to look at it and buy it, that essentially has been decriminalized. But children is a completely different situation. Not only is it illegal to produce it, but it is illegal to watch it. Because the idea is, you know, the people involved in the production of it cannot consent.
COOPER: Obviously, yeah.
TOOBIN: And the government has been incredibly aggressive about this. And the sentences have been very, very long. So much so that some federal judges have sort of rebelled and said, you know, we don't want to sentence people to 10 to 12 years for looking at pornography, but people have gotten those sorts of sentences.
COOPER: I mean the fact that the guy who ran Fogle's foundation. The charge was not just looking at it. He was actually allegedly producing.
TOOBIN: Right. Which is really unusual. Most child porn as I understand it is produced not inside the United States. It is in Eastern Europe or in other places where there is less regulation. Producing it in the United States, it does happen, but it is very rare. And the sentences are ...
COOPER: And again, we don't know if there is any connection between these - The fact that the guy who was running his foundation is producing child porn and he is -- we don't know.
TOOBIN: We don't know for sure, but logic would suggest.
COOPER: And in terms - I mean, a lot of these - do these usually, going to trial people, usually plea bargain?
TOOBIN: People usually plea bargain these cases. Particularly because of these possession cases. Because there is almost nothing to try. If they find it on your computer, unless you have some elaborate technical explanation for how it got there, which of course, most people don't, there is really nothing - there is no defense. And you get somewhat of a benefit on sentencing by pleading guilty as opposed to going to trial.
COOPER: I appreciate it. Thank you very much. As we mentioned, Subway is not commenting today beyond reiterating that it no longer has a relationship with Jared Fogle. It is certainly a huge reversal of fortune for someone who as Brian mentioned, his name has been virtually synonymous with Subway for more than a decade. And he's made a lot of money. Randi Kaye reports on the rise and his fall. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
JARED: Hi. I'm Jared, the Subway guy.
RANDI KAYE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Long before the world got to know Jared Fogle as the Subway guy, he was an overweight college student willing to try anything to lose weight. He told Larry King back in 2002 about the moment he hit rock bottom.
JARED FOGLE, FORMER SUBWAY PITCHMAN: The straw that broke the camel's back for me was getting on the scale. Seeing that I weighed 425 pounds.
KAYE: 425 pounds. As a junior at Indiana University where his story really began. As he tells it, there was a Subway sandwich shop next door to where he lived. And one day, Jared took a look at the low fat menu. The rest is history.
FOGLE: If I were to it this six inch turkey sandwich for lunch and a foot-long veggie for dinner, but hold the mayonnaise, hold the cheese, hold the oil, of course, maybe this is one of those crazy things that could work for me and sure enough it did.
KAYE: It worked so well, in fact, that a college pal who was also the editor of the campus newspaper didn't even recognize him when they bumped into each other on campus. Jared had lost so much weight, his friend insisted he write an article about him and how he did it. The article ran in the April 1999 edition of "The Indiana Daily Student."
When Fogle registered for a class, he based which classes to register on whether he could fit into the classroom seats. The article ended with this quote from Jared. "Subway helped save my life and start over." Jared's diet became national news. After "Men's Health" magazine included his daily food ritual in an article called, "Stupid diets that work." Jared got the call from Subway shortly after that. And by 2000, he was at the center of the sandwich chain's advertising campaign.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is Jared. He weighed 425 pounds. Inspired by Subway's low fat sandwiches, he invented a diet of his own. One he called the subway diet.
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KAYE: Jared claimed to have lost 245 pounds in one year and got very, very rich. He was on the road 200 days a year. Sharing his weight loss story for Subway. And he rarely left home without his famous pants.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Your waist? FOGLE: 60 inch. 60 inches.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You've got your old fat pants. Let's have a look at them.
FOGLE: I do. These are way more famous than I am, Pierce. Actually, if I can't make an event, I send the pants.
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KAYE: Jared has become a celebrity in his own right. Parodied on "Saturday Night Live." And featured on "South Park." A life in the spotlight. Now coming to an abrupt and disturbing end. Randi Kaye, CNN New York.
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COOPER: Coming up, the search for a suspect in the deadly bombing. What's being called Bangkok Times Square as a second bomb exploded today. We'll have a live update when we continue. Also ahead, an incredible video shot of the coast of Cape Cod. Shark versus seal. We'll be right back.
COOPER: Police in Thailand are looking for suspect - who was connected to a deadly bombing in Bangkok. The suspect was seen on surveillance footage there carrying a backpack. The bombing in a popular tourist area killed at least 22 people and injured more than 100. Now, there was a new explosion today at a pier. Thankfully, no one was injured. And that, our Andrew Stevens is in Bangkok, joins us now. So, this second bomb that went off, what more have you learned about it?
ANDREW STEVENS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It went off about 18 hours after that first devastating blast, Anderson. And it looks like there was an awful lot of luck involved. It appears that I-pi bomb (ph), very similar to the one that was used in the - attack, was thrown from a bridge, aimed at a group of people standing on the peer, waiting to catch the ferry across the river or tourists waiting to catch one of the sight-seeing boats. That bomb bounced off a pylon and fell into the water where it exploded. And if you look at the CCTV footage, you can see a big powerful explosion in the water. There were two people walking across the bridge at the time. They got showered. But that was the only part of anyone who was exposed to it. So, very, very lucky. Police say that was a big explosion. It could have caused a lot more carnage.
COOPER: Yeah, lucky indeed. The person in the surveillance video, have authorities been able to identify him at all?
STEVENS: They've been able to identify him in as much as they say. They "are very sure" that he is the bomber, Anderson. But what they don't know, is who exactly he is. And they're not saying what nationality he is and that could prove critical as to which way the investigation into the motive for this goes. He was seen by CCTV, according to police, going into the shrine. He sat down and took his backpack off. Very deliberately, put it under the bench he was sitting on. And then ran off. Three minutes later, an explosion under that bench. That's why the police are convinced this is the man. He has also got some sort of bandages on his arm. Apparently, so. Police are asking the public whether they have seen him, whether they can help identify him. But at this stage, certainly, on the record, they're not saying whether he is a tie and they're certainly not saying whether he is linked to any known organization.
COOPER: Andrew, I appreciate the update. Thanks, Jared. There is a lot more happening tonight. Amara Walker has a "360 Bulletin". Amara.
AMARA WALKER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Anderson, the FDA has approved a little pink pill to help increase the woman's sexual drive. The drug called Flibanserin and nicknamed female Viagra works much differently than its male counterpart by focusing on the central nervous system. It is taken once a day.
Cyber security experts say the hackers who stole customer information from the infidelity website AshleyMadison.com have made good on their threat to post the data online. Information posted includes customer names, credit card numbers and the amount of money they spent on the site.
And take a look at this amazing video from off the coast of Cape Cod. A great white shark jumps out of the water, trying to grab a seal. You see it there in slow motion and it appears the seal got away.
COOPER: Wow, that's just incredible. It's amazing how sharks do that. Amara, thank you very much. Just ahead, it is still one of the most terrifying and mesmerizing cases in American history. The Charles Manson murders. And this summer marks the 45th anniversary of that infamous murder trial. Tonight, it's the focus of a fascinating special report. We have a preview coming up.
COOPER: It's hard to believe, but it has been 45 years since the start of what is still one of the most shocking and fascinating cases in American criminal history. The Charles Manson murders. Manson and three of his followers went on trial in Los Angeles for a string of murders including Actress Sharon Tate. The murders horrified the nation. The trial was unlike anything that have been seen since then or before. In just a few minutes, Sara Sidner hosts an hour-long look back on CNN -- excuse me, CNN "Face of Evil. The Charles Manson murders." Here's a preview.
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SARA SIDNER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: History in the making. It was the longest trial that had ever happened in California. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The 154 volumes of transcript bear evidence to
what may be the most surprising, unusual and difficult trial in years.
SIDNER: Each day, stranger than the last. At one point, Charles Manson even attacked his own attorney. By the third month, observers thought they had seen it all. But then ...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was probably the most dramatic moment in the trial.
Manson talked to the judge saying somebody should cut your head off. And all of a sudden, he leaped from his chair in midair clutching a sharpened pencil like a knife, and the bailiff tackled him in midair, and he dropped the pencil.
SIDNER: Did people gasp?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Totally. I mean everybody was like stunned.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don't think his reach was quite that far. But Charlie would have killed him for sure.
COOPER: Sara Sidner joins me now. I mean it's just so incredible. What do you think it is about this story that has still captivated the nation?
SIDNER: I was asking myself that. Because I'm still captivated by it, too, and we know a lot of the details. There is a couple of things. I think one, the gruesomeness of the murders. These families have suffered and it was all sort of the Hollywood jet set lifestyle. There was attack, and people said if it could happen to them, could it happen to anyone. But it is also Manson himself. His charisma, his ability to sort of see through you. And how he came across. But also, people wonder, how can this small 5'2" guy who had a long criminal history control people's minds? How was he able to do that?
COOPER: Yeah, I mean it is hard to imagine him having any kind of charisma. He just looks so insane and creepy. And clearly, he had these followers who were dedicated to him. It is fascinating to look back. Sara, I look forward to it. Thank you very much.
That starting just at the top of the hour. We'll see you again at 11:00 p.m. Eastern. Another edition of "360".
COOPER: "FACE OF EVIL, THE CHARLES MANSON MURDERS" starts now.