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Aired September 2, 2015 - 20:00   ET


[20:00:20] ANDERSON COOPER, CNN HOST: Good evening. Thanks for joining us.

Breaking news tonight in politics making demand of Donald Trump. A pledge from Republican Party sent to each campaign late today asking the candidates to pledge their support in writing to the party's eventual nominee and to not run for a third party ticket. Trump, as you know, has threatened a third party run before. So tonight, how he and all the other candidates are responding.

We begin, though, just north of Chicago with what would have to be the hardest words a person can say under the worst circumstances imaginable. With the search for her husband's killers widening and fears the trail is going cold, Melodie Gliniewicz spoke out for the first time in tribute to her fallen husband for rock (ph) Fox Lake, Illinois police lieutenant Charles Joseph Gliniewicz. He left four sons behind who stood with here at the memorial service just a moment ago. And she talked about the man who she, they, and the entire community has lost.


MELODIE GLINIEWICZ, SLAIN OFFICER'S WIDOW: Joe was my best friend and my world, my hero. The love of my life. For the last 26-and-a-half years. He was my rock as much as I was his rock. Every night he came home to me. He was the most wonderful, caring, loving father to our boys. My world got a little bit smaller with his passing. He will truly be missed by all of us. Thank you, everybody.


COOPER: Heartbreaking.

As we said the search for whoever murdered lieutenant Gliniewicz is widening. And police are asking the public to help. However, as yet, they are giving people only the barest details to go on.

Our Rosa Flores has more on that, reporting from a community just now coming to grips with such a profound loss.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) ROSA FLORES, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The challenges start with the vague descriptions of the suspects coming from the slain officer's last exchange with police dispatch Tuesday.

At 7:52 a.m. Lieutenant Joe Gliniewicz calls in about three suspicious people according to authorities.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A male white and male black that fled from scene taking the officer's side arm and pepper spray.

FLORES: The situation escalates and Lieutenant Gliniewicz calls for backup at 7:55.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He took toward the swamp.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you need a second unit?

FLORES: Then radio silence from lieutenant Gliniewicz.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Fox Lake unit 6740 checking your status. Fox Lake units on honing, checking status on 6740.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We don't have him right now. We are looking for him.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Try him on his cellphone, please.

FLORES: At 8:01, a.m., backup officers arrive on scene. It takes them eight minutes to find lieutenant Gliniewicz, laying shot, about 500 yards from his cruiser. His weapon missing authorities say. The suspects gone.

Hundreds of officers from the region descended to search the area. Not an easy task. Take a look around. The terrain is a mix of abandoned buildings, sometimes occupied by squatters. March land and a system of connected lakes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is a very area that has a lot of foliage around it. So, you know, they're turning over every leaf and blade of grass to see if there is anything else out that they may have missed.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hopefully we will find these guys soon.

FLORES: Residents in the summer home community on edge. Many worried the suspects could be hiding in vacant homes or boats or using the huge interconnected lakes to evade police.

It would be easy to get in one of the waterways and, and end up somewhere else very quickly.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Absolutely. Absolutely. You could end up, you know, two, three, four, five, towns away in a very short period of time, traveling by water.

FLORES: Investigators not discounting that the killers could be out of town, or even out of state. Though about 100 state, local, federal agents are looking at surveillance video from near the scene, frame by frame.


COOPER: Rosa Flores joins us now from the vigil.

What is the scene there, Rosa?

FLORES: You know, it is a very somber moment here, Anderson. You just played the sound of the wife speaking of lieutenant Gliniewicz being the love of her life. And so, it is very, very moving. People here were very, very moved. I spoke to several that tell me that she is much stronger than everybody here to just come out in front of several thousand people and just talk about her husband.

Now, I want to show you around here because what is happening is people are lining the street. They believe that his wife will be walking through. So everyone wants to show support. But if you look closely, you will also see that there is a lot of law enforcement here. And that's, part of the law enforcement effort in this community to try to find the three suspects.

Now, what's really sad here, Anderson, is that these people could not mourn in peace, why? Because those three suspects are still on the loose. I can tell you from just driving around in the country. You see law enforcement with guns drawn. All over the place. Looking for the three suspects. And you know, hopefully trying to bring some peace allowing these people here to mourn in peace -- Anderson.

[20:05:30] COOPER: Rosa, I appreciate that. We will check in with you as event worn throughout the hour.

Joining us right now is detective Christopher Covelli of the Lake County sheriff department and also commander George Filenko, who you saw in Rosa Flores' report. He is with the Lake County major crimes task force.

Commander Filenko, what is the latest on the search tonight. Any new leads? Any information as to where the suspects might be?

COMDR. GEORGE FILENKO, LAKE COUNTY MAJOR CRIME TASK FORCE: New lead are coming in every several minutes from a variety of sources, social media, phone calls, individuals from the community walking into the police station lobby. We have got approximately 125 to 130 local, state, federal officers out in the community following up on the lead. So we feel like we are making some progress. Unfortunately, we haven't apprehended anyone.

COOPER: And Commander, do you have more to go on as far as who the suspects are. What they look like.

FILENKO: No, the only description we have to go off of is what we just listen to and a beige description given by the officer in his final moments when he encountered the three subjects. Beyond that, we don't have any other details.

COOPER: And Commander, I mean, are you going on the belief that they are still in, in that area? I mean, we heard Rosa's report, I mean, they could have crossed state lines at this point.

FILENKO: Yes. There is always a possibility of that. You know, based on a couple of theories that we have, we believe that they may have been familiar with the area where the officer eventually encountered them. There is a tendency, however hard it is to believe that even in a heinous crime like this that people do hide in place. So there is a theory on our end that they may still well be in the area. But of course there is that possibility they may have fled the state.

COOPER: Detective Covelli, can you talk about the challenges that you are facing in the search? I mean, beyond just, you know, the lack of a clear identity on the suspects. The area itself, it seems like there is a great variety. There is marshland. There is a lot of foliage. There is an industrial area. There is a residential area.

DET. CHRISTOPHER COVELLI, LAKE COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT: There is. And yesterday, we had an unbelievable amount of resources to put between federal, state, local, county agencies. Throughout the day we had over 400 law enforcement officers on the ground actively searching. SWAT teams on the ground actively searching. We had over 45 k-9 units in the area actively searching. Six aircraft in the air, actively searching. The search of two square mile perimeter lasted in excess of 14 hours. Every nook and cranny was gone through.

You know, today we continue to he have extremely beefed up police presence in the area by the Lake County sheriff's office, Fox Lake police, Illinois state police. And we are really saturating the Fox Lake area here, you know, in an effort to apprehend the individuals to. But also let the community know here, we are keeping them safe. We are here to make sure they're safe. And follow up on any leads and turn those over to mate your crime task force.

COOPER: Commander, there have been conflicting reports. I want to see if you can confirm if you can't I certainly understand. There were reports that lieutenant Gliniewicz's gun was not taken from the crime scene as was reported earlier. Do you know for sure?

FILENKO: Yes, unfortunately that's a fact that I can't confirm because this is an ongoing investigation. And I pointed out earlier those are facts that we have to keep hold tight.

COOPER: Sure, understand that.

There were also reports, surveillance video. Have, have, I mean, can you say whether there is video obviously, that is something you would be very interested in seeing. All the possible cameras that may be around there.

FILENKO: Yes, we have begun collecting video as early as, as, yesterday evening. Once the areas around the crime scene were secure. We still continue to do that. Also, videos are coming from a number of places - businesses, factories, gas stations. We acquired a video today from a truck driver who had his own video system in a truck that may have been driving through the area right around that time. We are collecting that video. We have one of the federal agencies,

Homeland security that brought sophisticated video enhancement equipment with them. So we are consolidating all that and reviewing it as we speak.

[20:10:17] COOPER: Detective Covelli, what is your message to everybody living in the community. I mean, it is obviously, I assume, if anybody has seen anything you want them to contact police as quickly as possible?

COVELLI: Absolutely. First, foremost, we want the community to know law enforcement is here for them. We are here. We are actively out protecting them and we are out in full force. Should the community see anything that is suspicious, out of the ordinary whatsoever, we of course want them to call. And like we say there is no tip too small. All tips are vetted through the major crime task force. And community members are best at knowing what is out of the ordinary within their community. If they see something that just doesn't fit. They really need to call it in.

COOPER: Detective Covelli, Commander Filenko, appreciate all your efforts. And our condolences on the loss of this incredible officer. Thank you so much for talking with us.

FILENKO: Thank you.

COVELLI: Thank you.

COOPER: Coming up next, what the search zone looks like from above. Our Ryan Young went airborne today, show what she saw.

And later, just a day after meeting with Latino leaders, Donald Trump gives Jeb Bush a tongue lashing about his bilingual campaign, telling him to make it English only. Details on that ahead.


[20:15:11] COOPER: We have been talking since the manhunt for three suspected cop killers began about the mix of terrain in and around Fox Lake, Illinois. Some of it favoring law enforcement, some may be helping the bad guys. Now, luckily, the searchers do have the means of surmounting a lot of the challenges, one is to rise above them. Helicopters already have been featured heavily in the manhunt and obviously just want to remind you. We are showing you taped images not live pictures, because we don't want to give anybody who may be watching, possibly may be one of these suspects, an idea of where police are.

Our Ryan Young got a chance to get airborne today. He joins us now.

So, explain this bird's eye view you got. I mean, the terrain, it sound incredibly challenging with her great variety of different kinds of terrain.

RYAN YOUNG, CNN CORRESPONDENT: And honestly, Anderson, I don't think you would really understand it until you get above it all and see it for yourself. First of all, we want to make sure that we tell everybody that we stayed out of the two-mile radius that obviously officers have around the actual zone that they were looking in just yesterday. And I can tell you when we got up above the air, we were 500 feet above the ground. And what you can see here is really the chain of lakes that sort of connects this community. And the idea there is heavy tree brush.

You know, in some neighborhoods, they clear cut a neighborhood. But here, what we saw was dense woods surrounding homes. There were some neighborhood where it was hard to make out the roofs of homes. We hovered over the backyard to see what we could find. You can tell there were some homes that were vacant. There were battered down. But there were boats back there. There were pools that were covered. So you can imagine the officers going through this backyard from neighborhood to neighborhood, maybe from house to house and not having someone to knock on the door to ask them a question.

And then the thick brush and the marchland that was connected. We saw a chain of inlets that connected to the lake. So I can really understand how hard it was yesterday in the dead heat from the officers who got there with the k-9 units, with the helicopters, working their way through the muck.

And honestly you can't really understand. When you are on the four- lane highway. And you think, hey, this is all going to be, tightly wound. And then you go to another neighborhood and it is all water. You can imagine what some of these officers are going through just yesterday.

COOPER: We spoke yesterday about the anxiety in the community. And understandable, given that there is an active manhunt going on. And when you heard of the people In terms of people you are hearing from today. Is there still that, you know, that sense of fear?

YOUNG: Anderson, you can understand why. Look, 1,100 people are step up for a candlelight vigil for the officer. When you talk to some of the people, you can understand -- nothing like this has happened, close to the community with someone they knew and loved. Someone who served for 30 years. And the manhunt that was on going. Everyone felt OK with the idea that maybe they were cordoned off in a two-mile radius. But now, the idea that may have been able to get out of that, everyone is kind of asking questions. Are they from the community? Are they from somewhere else? What were the circumstances? And then again, this idea that maybe there is surveillance video, maybe there is images. Most people are asking us. Hey, as soon as you get the image are you going to put it out there. As soon as you understand, Anderson, as soon as we got that image, we will put it out because you want to be able to help officers be able to catch whoever is involved in this. More than 100 phone calls have come in since this all happened.

COOPER: Yes. Let's hope to get some information soon.

Ryan, appreciate the reporting.

With us now, two people with long experience tracking and catching fugitives. Lenny DePaul, commander U.S. marshal service regional fugitive task force for New York and New Jersey. And Chris Swecker served as an assistant director of the FBI, which time he successfully oversaw the manhunt for Eric Rudolph.

Chris, this manhunt, seems as if law enforcement really have very little to go on at this point?

CHRIS SWECKER, FORMER FBI ASSISTANT DIRECTOR: They have almost nothing to go on. I mean, it was a very cryptic radio communication from the lieutenant before he went on this foot chase. They have a very generic description of three people. They don't know if they were able to get in a car or had a car. There was no license tag called in. They have got an urban, semi-urban environment here as oppose to the other two manhunts that we have seen over the past couple of months. So, this one is far more complex.

COOPER: Lenny, I know, I have heard you say it is like chasing a ghost here.

LENNY DEPAUL, U.S. MARSHAL: Absolutely, Anderson. It's frustrating for the lead investigators. They are chasing ghosts. They are on a fishing expedition. They have nothing. No one is identified. They can't enter names into the national crime information center, databases, border crossings, these can't be covered. They have no idea what they are looking for. Interpol, red notices if they were able to get out and get away from the scene. Did they get in a vehicle? Did they get on an airplane? Are they out of the country? It is very frustrating.

And again, it's, you know, they are scratching their head at this point hoping some sort of tips and leads will come in that are being vetted and investigated and somebody will say something. They need to I didn't tie the folks, suspects.

COOPER: Yes. And Lenny, I mean, if they had any kind of identification, they would be able to kind of get a sense of, you know, past addresses of these, of these guys. You know, people that they have hung out with previously. People they have served time with. There would be a lot of different avenues to pursue.

[20:20:05] DEPAUL: No, exactly. They need that game changer. There is a whole a lot of avenues. They have been pursue was in fact even one of them is identified. And I'm hoping that is the case. I mean, their own worst enemies right now, these suspects, are themselves. You know, who knows who, who shot this police officer. Maybe one is saying, hey, I better turn myself in and lawyer up. Who know? That's the break that they need at this point. But the public certainly needs to remain vigilant. Keep those tips coming in. They will vet them. They will investigate them. And something will pop here.

COOPER: And Chris, the lieutenant's last word that were recorded were, were that the suspects were heading towards the swamp. And at this point, I mean as you said, it's not clear if they were on foot, if they had a vehicle close by. I mean, if they did have a vehicle, they could be long gone. They could be in another state. SWECKER: They could have committed a carjacking or home invasion.

And they're hiding in place as commander said was one of the possibilities. They could be long gone. But I agree. I think this is going to take some luck. And it is going to take some active participation by the public and a good gumshoe investigation by those that are doing the investigation. What we have -- is three social networks here. Each one of these people has a social network. And they're going to talk to somebody. Somebody is going to call in a tip.

COOPER: To that idea, Lenny, is it almost better that there is three because it is exponentially, more social networks. It is more, you know, one of them could call a loved one or somebody who wants to turn them in. They could be dissension between them. Does it help there is three of them?

DEPAUL: No, absolutely. If that hasn't happened already. And I would encourage anybody that has received the phone call to come forth. I mean, you don't want to be part of this investigation. There is a police officer that has been killed. And if anyone has any contact with the three suspects, they certainly should call law enforcement.

COOPER: Lenny DePaul, Chris Swecker, appreciate your expertise. Thank you.

Just ahead, we have more breaking news tonight. Donald Trump turning up the heat, slamming Jeb Bush for speaking Spanish on the campaign trail. And at the same time, Republican National Committee is getting tough with Trump demanding he and other candidates sign a loyalty pledge.

Plus, a "360" exclusive, Kate Steinle's family joins me for an interview together two months after Kate was killed by an undocumented immigrant in a so-called sanctuary city. They want to hold San Francisco and the federal government accountable. I will talk to them tonight.


[20:26:24] COOPER: More breaking news tonight. Donald Trump once again not mincing word, slamming Jeb Bush for speaking Spanish on the campaign trail this time after Bush attacked Trump's conservative credentials in Spanish.

Here's what Mr. Trump told "Bright Bart News," quote "I like Jeb. He is a nice man. But he should really set the example by speaking English while in the United States."

This fight from Mr. Trump comes on the heels of a new "Washington Post"/ABC News poll that shows just 15 percent of Hispanics view Trump favorably compared with 43 percent who view Jeb Bush favorably. Mr. Trump often says he will win the Hispanic vote. But those numbers suggest he has certainly his work cut out for him.

There is also, this new development, Republican National Committee is privately reaching out to the presidential candidates asking if they will pledge not to run as an independent candidate if they fail to win the party's nomination. Donald Trump spoke from CNN that Trump will meet tomorrow with the RNC chairman, Reince Preibus.

Joining us now is CNN political commentators Jeffrey Lord, Ana Navarro, and Paul Begala. Jeffrey served as president Reagan's White House political director. He is a Trump supporter and also Republican strategist -- excuse me, Ana Navarro joining us. She is a Republican strategist and supporter of Jeb Bush and an adviser to other Republican candidates. And Paul Begala is a Democratic strategist, co-chair of pro-Hillary Clinton super PAC. He was also a longtime adviser to President Clinton. You all have too long resumes for me tonight.

So Paul, when you hear Donald Trump say stuff like this about not speaking Spanish in America, I can't, my first thought was how giddy you must be?

PAUL BEGALA, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: That is exactly the word. I actually don't know the word in Spanish for giddy, but that's what I am. You just cited it. The ABC News/"Washington Post" poll, Mr. Trump's negatives among Hispanics is 82 percent. Now, I think he is shooting for a perfect 100.

I would also point out to Mr. Trump that the Holy Father, Pope Francis today announced when he comes to Washington, the capital of America, he will say mass in Espanol. Now, maybe Mr. Trump will want to deport the Holy Father when she shows up, too.

But, this is going to put the Republican Party so deep in the ditch - I mean, George W. Bush got 42 percent Latino vote and won. McCain dropped to 31. Romney dropped to 27. Trump, he is shooting for zero.

COOPER: Jeff? I mean, you are Trump supporter. Is this a wise idea?

JEFFREY LORD, FORMER REAGAN WHITE HOUSE POLITICAL DIRECTOR: Well, he is running for the Republican nomination and trying to get Republican votes. And to be perfectly candid, you know, once upon a time this kind of thing was an asset. But in the current climate here with the whole illegal immigration, this really touches a nerve here. I mean, I also speak of sort of very bad French. I think it is great that people know more than one language. I am all for it.

But America as such is an English speaking country. And if, why Spanish? Why not Arabic? Why doesn't he, will Jeb Bush go to Michigan and campaign in Arabic, or Polish Town in River head Long Island and speak Polish. I mean, we could go on and on here. Donald Trump himself is the son of German immigrants. I don't know that he speaks German. I never heard him speak German. The point is you come here you, learn the English language, and then --.

COOPER: So you really don't believe a candidate for president should if talking to Spanish speaking audience, speak Spanish?

LORD: As I say, in another climate that might be fine. But this takes on another significance here with the illegal immigration issue that, you know, Jorge Ramos, et cetera are trying to remake all of America in, in a Spanish image. And you know, they don't do this in Mexico. They don't do this other countries. In Mexico I think they have 60 some odd official languages that are, you know, from engaging this people. You know, why not one language over another. They do. And that language is Spanish. So, you know, it happens to be English here. And I suspect, this is -- this is a sensitive nerve with some voters.

COOPER: Ana? I mean the fact that 82 percent of Latino voters now have an unfavorable view of Trump? Is there any way?

NAVARRO: Yeah, and that number seems a little low to me.

COOPER: Is there any way a candidate, either Republican or Democrat could actually win the White House with those kind of numbers?

NAVARRO: No. I don't think that you can win a general election with those kind of numbers. And frankly, I don't think Mr. Trump is doing anything to help himself with those numbers. Look, the reason that Jeb Bush is speaking Spanish, it is because it's the one other language he knows. And we actually live in a country where most people think knowing more than one language is an asset. The ironic part of this is that, Donald Trump is criticizing Jeb for speaking Spanish when he is suing Univision, a Spanish speaking network, for $500 million. As he has told us ad nauseam, that by the way is Latin.


NAVARRO: Because they won't carry his pageant in Spanish.


COOPER: You pointed out that ad nauseam is Latin.

NAVARRO: So, if you don't find that ironic. And let me, you know - well, yeah, you know. That's also, you know, realize that we are, you know, what does Donald Trump do? He does this every few days. You know, he creates controversy, because that, in turn, creates media, which, in turn, keeps him in the headlines and keeps him getting all sorts of attention. When he is not picking a fight with Megyn Kelly, he is picking a fight with Mexicans, he is picking a fight with Caroline Kennedy, with Oreo cookies, now it's with the Spanish language. Next week will be boycotting tacos.

COOPER: Jeff, this new royalty pledge that the RNC has been circulating, do you think - and now we are hearing, that Trump is going to meet with Reince Priebus tomorrow, that is going to hold - to meet availability afterward. Do you think Trump will sign it? Should he sign it? Given the fact he is running as a Republican?

LORD: Well you know, what I think he should do is ask why other Republicans don't do the same thing. I mean Lisa Murkowski, for example, the United State Senator is a Republican, senator from Alaska, she lost the Republican nomination, ran as a third party candidate. Won. And is now back there enjoying all the benefits of being a Republican U.S. Senator. They went after Christine O'Donnell. I mean on, and on, and on. These kind of lists. Not necessarily third party candidates. But if this raises the issue of party loyalty, boy, that's a field that I would think establishment folks don't want to get into. Because they have a terrible record on this kind of thing. Dating all the way back to Nelson Rockefeller for heaven sakes.

COOPER: Paul, what do you think is going on here? So, I mean it seems like we looked into it, it seems like there's the first time the RNC has ever, you know, asked for this kind of a pledge?

BEGALA: I think it is exactly what Jeffrey said. Maybe because I'm thinking about the impending visit of the Holy Father. There's two kind of churches, there's two kinds of political parties. Those who seek out converts. And those who hunt down Heretics.

Now, when Jeffrey's boss Ronald Reagan was running for Republican Party, he was seeking out converts, he was bringing Reagan Democrats (INAUDIBLE). He brought in.

LORD: We got them too.

BEGALA: They're doing the opposite now. They want a smaller, purer party. Driving out independents. Trump, could run as an Independent.


BEGALA: And by the way, how foolish? I don't know Mr. Trump. I have nothing against him. The guy has been like married three times. His company's gone bankrupt four times. I think he is kind of not really very solid on his long term pledges anyway.

NAVARRO: Of course, you got nothing against him. He is manna from heaven for you, Paul Begala.


BEGALA: This is true.

NAVARRO: And by the way, the word for giddy is -- [ speaking Spanish ]

COOPER: Sorry, I couldn't hear you. Go ahead, Jeff.

LORD: The last time they thought they had manna from heaven, was Ronald Reagan, as we pointed out many times before. That didn't work out so well. You know, I'm just saying, Lindsay Graham himself has said that if Donald Trump were nominated he would hold his nose and vote for Donald Trump. That's not exactly an enthusiastic endorsement, so, I think, you know, if they're going to do this loyalty pledge. They would have to go to Lindsey Graham.

COOPER: Jeff, I mean, I know, I know, obviously, Donald Trump is interested right now in, you know, winning caucuses, winning primaries. But can somebody get elected president with 82 percent unfavorable rating among Hispanic voters? LORD: That assumes that it will stay that way. I know Ana would disagree with this. But, you know, we just saw a turnaround of his favorability rating in what was in - where he went from 27 percent to 62 percent.

COOPER: So do you think he can make a dent in that?

LORD: Sure, sure, sure. Because I mean this tends to present a caricature of Donald Trump. And as, you know, the meeting he had with the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce. And the guy came out and said he wasn't the kind of person he expected to meet at all. That he sat there very quietly. Listened, was very thoughtful. They disagreed on issues. I mean, you know there is a long time to go here.


LORD: I think as Donald Trump gets further into this. Becomes more "presidential" people will have a different view.

COOPER: Gracias, I appreciate it, everybody. Thank y'all.


COOPER: Gracias, Lord, Paul Begala.

BEGALA: Gracias, Adios.

COOPER: See, he knows.

Coming up next, "The 360" exclusive, the family of Kate Steinle joins me for their first interview all together to talk about the lawsuits they are filing, the claims they're filing to get justice for the daughter and sister they lost.


COOPER: Tonight, 360 exclusive, the family of Kate Steinle is giving their first television interview together. Yesterday they took the first step to filing lawsuits against the San Francisco sheriff, his department and two federal agencies whose combined negligence they say led to Kate's killing in July. She was shot as you know by an undocumented immigrant while walking on a San Francisco pier with her dad. The Mexican man charged with her death is a convicted felon who had been deported five times. The gun he says he fired by accident, was stolen from the car of a federal agent with the Bureau of Land Management. We should point it's his claim the gun was fired by accident. The agent allegedly left it unsecured in a backpack. The suspect says he found the gun under a bench.

And then there is this, months before the shooting immigration officials turned the suspect over to San Francisco authorities on an outstanding drug warrant and asked that he be kept in custody. Instead he was released from San Francisco's jail in April.

[20:40:00] San Francisco is a so-called sanctuary city, where local officials instruct police not to cooperate with immigration authorities. The Steinles are trying to change all that. Joining me now tonight, Kate's brother, Brad Steinle, her father, Jim, her mom, Liz Sullivan, and the family attorney, Frank Petrie.

Liz, it's been just over two months since Kate's death, and in the time line of grief, it can be like the blink of an eye. How are you holding up, how are you all doing?

LIZ SULLIVAN, MOTHER: Well, there has just been so much going on, because we moved. I think it has been a distraction. And I don't think I have really settled down and taken it all in yet. It's still not real to me.

COOPER: And, Jim, with these claims filed yesterday against the sheriff's department of San Francisco, ICE, the Bureau of Land Management. Tell me why you decided to take legal action?

JIM STEINLE, FATHER: Well, as I explained yesterday, we are not a litigious family. However, the silence has been deafening. We have not heard of any steps of any kind being taken by any of these offices, federal, state, and local, to try to correct what happened. So another human being doesn't end up like our family and Kate. This is all about Kate. This is Kate's legacy. This is what we are trying to move forward. Is to -- so no one else has to go through this horrible grief and tragedy that has befallen our family.

COOPER: Brad, there has been so much finger pointing between these agencies, the sheriff blaming ICE, ICE blaming the sheriff. Have you gotten any answers from anybody at this point? Anybody taking responsibility?

BRAD STEINLE, BROTHER: Up to this point nobody has taken responsibility. Nobody is being held accountable. The federal agencies along with city of San Francisco and the sheriff have all pointed fingers at one another. Blaming the other person, or the other agency on Kate's death. You have ICE blaming the sheriff. Sheriff blaming ICE. You have the mayor blaming the sheriff. And the fact of the matter is -- the sheriff directed his deputies to break federal law and not cooperate in any way, shape, or form. Ties their hands, and -- because of that, the seven-time convicted felon is allowed out on the streets. And he killed my sister.

COOPER: And you believe this could happen again. Nothing has changed institutionally in terms of the law. This could happen to another family.

B. STEINLE: The sheriff has stood behind this policy that he decided to write himself in March of this year. That directly said that under no circumstance were any of his deputies able to communicate with federal authorities. That being ICE in this instance. And if this same person came to San Francisco, had a warrant in San Francisco, they would be let go just as -- just as this individual was. And they could be on the street. And if you are in San Francisco, you have got these aggravated felons, criminals, drug dealers, they're there, and San Francisco will continue to roll the red carpet out for these individuals. Because of the sheriff's direct order to his deputies.

COOPER: Jim, in terms of Kate's law, which would increase penalties on immigrants who unlawfully re-enter the United States after being removed. It is stalled in Congress right now. Supposed to be taken up after a return from summer recess. For you and for the family, why is it so important that this law is passed? What's your message to those who have control over this?

J. STEINLE: Kate's law is just the beginning. It was just again with the litigation that we are in the middle of right now. It's all a part of -- a tribute to Kate. So it doesn't happen again. We are pretty sure some part of that law is going to be enacted. We just don't know how watered down or what other things might be added to it. Hopefully no one else has to endure the never-ending grief, this pain, this loss. You can't even describe.


COOPER: I understand Kate's purse was found, I think just yesterday. That was something that was very important for you to get back.

SULLIVAN: Yes, because it was one of the last things that I know she touched. It really meant a lot to me. It was sort of a runaround. Then they finally did find it. And that was somewhat soothing to me.

COOPER: What do you want people to -- to know about Kate? I just think it is so important, that people remember who she is. And the person she is. How she lived her life. Not just how her life ended. What do you hope people know?

SULLIVAN: Oh, she was, you know, she was just coming into her own. She loved her job. She loved helping people. She loved being involved in the challenged athletes foundation which she participated in. And she was such a fun, fun, fun, girl. And I mean, we are getting ready to go on a camping trip. We are going to miss - we're hesitating because it was just so wonderful. The fun that we all had as a family. We have always done so many family things. You know, she will be deeply missed.

COOPER: Well, you are all representing her incredibly well. I appreciate you talking to us tonight, thank you so much.

J. STEINLE: Thank you, Anderson.

SULLIVAN: Thank you.

COOPER: Incredibly strong family. Just ahead, breaking news, the latest on claims that new video could answer the question, did deputies in Texas use excessive force when they fatally shot a man?



COOPER: Breaking news tonight in the fatal shooting of a man in Texas by sheriff deputies. Authorities are now looking at two different videos of the incident. Including one that some believe changes the picture entirely. Our Ed Lavandera reports.


ED LAVANDERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The video has been called disturbing and troubling. Gilbert Flores is seen moving around the front yard of a San Antonio house for roughly 15 minutes. Two sheriffs deputies are engaged with him. Then you see the 41-year-old man put up his arms and deputies shoot. Flores collapses to the ground.

SHERIFF SUSAN PAMERLEAU, BEXAR COUNTY, TX: There is no doubt that's what's shown in the video is of great concern to all of us. But we also want to get this right. As is our purpose in every investigative case.

LAVANDERA: Investigators say there is a second video, much clearer and closer, capturing the altercation last Friday. The video hasn't been released. But a source with knowledge of the investigation says the video, shot by a neighbor, shows the suspect acting wildly aggressive and at one point charging at a deputy with a knife. According to the Bexar County sheriff, the video is being analyzed to determine if Flores was holding a knife.

PAMERLEAU: It appears he has something in his hand. Again that's why we have asked the Texas DPS crime lab to -- to review it with an aim to try to enlarge and to -- to slow down the sequence. So we have a better idea of that.

LAVANDERA: Authorities would not say if a knife however was recovered at the scene. But police radio traffic references a knife.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They are talking to the subject now. He's outside talking to them, and he has a knife in his hand.

LAVANDERA: Dispatchers also warned the deputies about the suspect.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Looks like the male that called it in assaulted his wife and child, so possibly two patients. And he is also threatening suicide. He's threatening suicide by cop so make sure you stage on this.

LAVANDERA: Investigators say one of the deputies tried to use his taser to subdue Flores but the taser probes did not hit the target.

MICHAEL THOMAS, WITNESS: Just sitting here, I just might as well record it if I'm going to sit here and watch it just in case something does happen.

LAVANDERA: Michael Thomas is a delivery driver who took this video of the shooting.

THOMAS: They kind of just put his hands down. They were talking back and forth. And then, he put his hands down again. Then he stepped back. Just put his hands up. They shot him twice after that.

LAVANDERA: Prominent San Antonio Congressman Joaquin Castro is calling on the sheriff's department to release the second video immediately.

REP. JOAQUIN CASTRO, D-TEXAS: The sheriff's office and the DA and the FBI have their investigation to do. But it has been several days since the incident. There have been leaks about what's in that second video. And the sheriff has of course commented on the evidence in the second video. And I think it should be released.


COOPER: Ed joins us now. The second video police are examining, they are not releasing it to the public. What else have you learned about it?

LAVANDERA: Well, that source close to the investigation who has seen the video also says that, in that video it shows Flores agitating, very agitated. Yelling loudly. Difficult to make out exactly what he is saying. There is also a voice on the tape. It's not clear it is a voice belonging to one of the police officers. Almost seemed as if to someone nearby there that Flores was acting in a way like he was trying to get himself killed. As you mentioned, that video has not been released publicly. It is not clear when and if that will happen anytime soon.

COOPER: Appreciate it. Coming up next, Randi Kaye joins us with a preview of her special report that starts at the top of the hour on an unsolved murder of a woman on Cape Cod left for dead in her own home.



COOPER: In just a few minutes here on CNN, Randi Kaye hosts a special report on one of the country's most notorious unsolved murders. The brutal killing of a woman left for dead in her own home on Cape Cod, Massachusetts. Here is a preview of the "CNN special report, murder on Cape Cod, who shot Shirley Reine?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Shirley Reine's final day was a very typical. She went and spent some time after work with her sister, even though the two of them worked all day together, they would often spend their evenings together as well.

RANDI KAYE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The evening of May 9th was so exception. After work, Shirley drove down the street to Loretta's house.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Every night at 6:00. She would be there for dinner and she couldn't be late.

KAYE: Only that night, Shirley was late. She arrived noticeably unsettled, disturbed her stepson Todd had been visiting his ex- girlfriend's house. Just two doors down.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She just felt very uneasy that he was still there.

I didn't think anything of it. Had dinner.

KAYE: After dinner the two sisters watched some TV. And then Shirley drove home right on schedule.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She left between 8:30, 8:45 like she always did.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She pulled into her garage. As she was getting out of the car, she was ambushed. She was shot twice. And left there for dead.

KAYE: One 9 millimeter shot to her chest, the second to her head.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The way she was killed tells you that they knew what her routine was. They knew when she was going to arrive home. They knew how she was going to arrive home.


COOPER: Well, we'll see you again at 11:00 p.m. Eastern for another edition of "360." The CNN special report, "Murder on Cape Cod, who shot Shirley Reine," starts now.