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ROBYN CURNOW, CNN HOST: Hi, there, welcome to the INTERNATIONAL DESK. I'm Robyn Curnow at the CNN Center.
The spiraling cycle of violence in the Middle East has taken another deadly turn. There've been a couple of attacks using vehicles as weapons.
Meantime, there were more clashes today and yet another knife attack that left an Israeli soldier wounded. This as U.N. secretary-general Ban
Ki-moon heads to the region in a push to calm tensions.
Well, he has his work cut out for him. There have been attacks and clashes almost every day for weeks now. CNN's Ben Wedeman is on the scene
of one of today's attacks in the West Bank and he joins us now live with the details.
Hi, there, Ben.
BEN WEDEMAN, CNN SR. INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Hello, Robyn. We're at the Gush Etzion junction which is south of Jerusalem, where just
about an hour ago, a Palestinian driving a car with Israeli plates swerved into a bus stop behind me -- I'll just step out of the way.
And according to police officers on the scene, wounded one soldier and one civilian. Now there were security personnel on the scene, as there
always are here, and the driver of that car was shot dead.
What you're seeing now is personnel throwing dirt on the pool of blood where his body lay, that -- the body was out there for quite some time.
They were taking his fingerprints. And of course, this is the third incident of the day.
Earlier just south of Hebron, one Israeli man apparently got out of his car after Palestinian protesters were throwing rocks at it and shortly
thereafter, while he was out in the road, he was run over by a truck carrying Palestinian plates.
In addition to that, there was an earlier incident outside the village of Beit Awwa, which is outside of Hebron, where, in the course of clashes,
a Palestinian stabbed an Israeli soldier. He was lightly wounded in this case -- Robyn.
CURNOW: And, Ben, if you can also just give us an update on the Hamas leader that was arrested by the Israelis overnight?
WEDEMAN: Yes, this is a 70-year old, Hassan Yousef, who is a prominent figure in Hamas in the West Bank. He was arrested overnight in
Beitunia, which is north of Jerusalem, just outside of Ramallah. The Israelis put out a statement, saying that this man has been in and out of
prison a variety of times.
They said that he was inciting violence against Israelis and that he was encouraging violence against Israelis as well. So under normal
conditions, Israeli forces are constantly trying to round up Hamas leaders.
Obviously under these conditions, even though no one has actually -- none of the attackers over the last two or so weeks has been linked to
Hamas, Islamic Jihad or any of the other militant Palestinian factions in this case -- Robyn.
CURNOW: Ben Wedeman there in the West Bank, thanks for that update. Appreciate it.
Well, there's been a seismic shift in Canada's political landscape. The Conservative government is being pushed out in a landslide win for the
Liberal Party and its leader, Justin Trudeau.
The 43-year old is the son of former prime minister Pierre Trudeau and he is now going to become the country's next prime minister. Opponents
painted him as too young and too inexperienced to lead but he argued that Canadians need a change.
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JUSTIN TRUDEAU, PRIME MINISTER-ELECT, CANADA: This is what positive politics can do. This is what a positive, hopeful -- a hopeful vision and
a platform and a team together can make happen.
Canadians from all across this great country sent a clear message tonight. It's time for a change in this country, my friends, a real
CURNOW (voice-over): This will end Stephen Harper's nine-year run as prime minister. Harper conceded defeat and congratulated Trudeau on the
victory. His Conservative Party will now have the second largest party in Parliament.
I want to talk more about the election with CNN's Paula Newton, who's Canadian, has covered Canadian politics for decades.
You aren't, however, in Canada; you're actually in Indonesia. But that doesn't matter because we want to pick your brain.
What does all of this tell you?
And particularly, give us a sense of who Justin Trudeau is.
PAULA NEWTON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, the headline here, Robyn, is for sure this man is moving into a house in which --
NEWTON: -- he was born. He was born on Christmas Day and that was 24 Sussex's (INAUDIBLE) residence in Canada. And that is where he will return
with his young family.
So if that doesn't do your head in enough, he is the father (sic) of a prime minister; on his mother's side he is the grandson of a former cabinet
minister and he carries on his shoulders all of that burden. His father was a flamboyant figure but also incredibly divisive in Canada.
Robyn, if we shift to the issues of today, this was an incredible campaign for one reason: he stood for spending over austerity. And when
we look at governments around the world and how they're trying to weigh this, especially in Europe right now, he argued, look, I'm going to take
Canadians back into deficit.
I'm going to spend money on things that we need to spend money on. And a lot of people thought that was risky. It was a gamble that paid off
Why? Because he has a majority government.
It means now, for the next several years, Robyn, he can basically do what he wants. And he's really going to have to get to it right away. The
domestic agenda is ambitious but so is the international one. So right away we have to talk about oil in Canada; pipelines also, the Trans-Pacific
He has said he will likely back it but he wants to see the fine print. And we will see him at a meeting here in Asia, Robyn. They will expect
him here at APEC and that after that in Europe at the climate summit.
You know, Canada has been widely criticized for its environment stance over the last few years under Stephen Harper. That is another thing that
Justin Trudeau says he will change but he hasn't said how.
CURNOW: OK. Paula Newton, thank you so much for that. Really appreciate you scrambling to get on air to give us all of that. Thank you.
Well, Trudeau was a likely regarded candidate, as I said, at the start of Canada's campaign cycle. I want to build on what Paula's been saying,
particularly how he's led the Liberal Party's surge to victory.
Our guest is George Stroumboulopoulos. He's a Canadian television and radio host. He joins me now via Skype from Toronto.
Also thanks so much for talking to us here at the IDESK.
I'm fascinated by Justin Trudeau. You heard Paula Newton there.
You've met him.
What's he like?
GEORGE STROUMBOULOPOULOS, TV AND RADIO HOST: He's just one of those guys that you meet and you think, oh, he's just like a regular guy. You
can tell that he comes from a family with a political history. He knows how to carry himself. He's clearly very educated and he knows how to
But I don't think a lot of people thought maybe 10 years ago that he was going to be the prime minister this quickly. He went from third-party
status to a majority government in a time when nobody really thought that was going to happen.
But you got a sense, when the conservative campaign was constantly hammering the "Justin's Not Ready" angle, he's not ready, I think that a
lot of electorates, Canadians specifically, don't really like to be told what to think, don't like to be told who's ready.
And Justin just kept it positive and mobilized a lot -- I mean, the voter turnout rate was as high as it was almost to 1993. It's a really
high voter turnout rate.
So Mr. Trudeau clearly was able to mobilize a different segment of the voting population.
CURNOW: Well, that's, exactly. He talked about sunny days. He's got floppy hair. He was a snowboard instructor. He was a high school teacher.
And, as you say, he sort of gave a positive air to a lot of this campaign.
But does he have the chops?
Do you see him really making some fundamental changes here?
STROUMBOULOPOULOS: As far as chops, I think he does. The question remains to be seen obviously -- I don't know who's ever ready to lead a big
country until they actually get the job.
He's going to run into really interesting things, certainly as it relates to the economy. If you think about it, he's got to go to Turkey in
less than a month for the one bit, the G20 summit with Paul Martin helps get to this place. Then he's got to go to Malta for another conference.
There's the Asia Pacific conference. And then in Paris, he's got to go to the environmental conference and how Canada is going to handle carbon
taxes and energy prices, energy realities. He's going to have a huge impact on where we stand economically (INAUDIBLE) the finance ministry.
This is all going to happen within a month. So I think this is going to be an unbelievable learning curve. And yes, he was all those things
that you mentioned but he also was really big in terms of mobilizing young Canadians to become volunteers and to approach.
So the sunny days thing is really about changing the tone in Ottawa. It's not that we've elected Paul Rudd. This isn't going to be the hippie
parliamentarian by any means. But what it is is it's instead of being about divisive natures and fear, he at least says he's going to try to be
What, he's got a big hill to climb because there's a lot on his plate right away. And he doesn't have months to learn it. So whether or not he
can pull it off, that's another story. But he's going in with a majority, which means whatever his mandate is, the Canadians are clearly behind it.
CURNOW: Yes. So he's really been thrown in the deep end here.
What about refugees? Another hard topic.
STROUMBOULOPOULOS: Yes, he says that Canada should be more open to Syrian refugees. His father was very famous for that.
STROUMBOULOPOULOS: So he grew up not just in the house that you guys have talked about, 24 Sussex, but also grew up under the idea that Canada
was built with, you know, refugees and immigrants. And Mr. Trudeau seems to really appreciate that.
So it's a completely different tone from Ottawa. Granted, this was his speech, his winning speech. So we'll see what happens in reality. But
he says he's more open to it. This is supposed to be a more inclusive government.
You have to understand that, in Canada, Mr. Harper was very successful in a lot of ways. But one thing that he never really got or was able to
connect with Canadians was to be inclusive. In fact, when he first won the prime minister's job, the opening line was the West was in. So his first
moment was about division to a lot of people. And Mr. Trudeau is just trying to change that.
CURNOW: George Stroumboulopoulos, thank you so much for joining us. I know you have your pulse on what's happening in Canada. So thanks for
sharing it with us.
STROUMBOULOPOULOS: Thanks for having me.
CURNOW: Thousands now of migrants get escorted into Slovenia. Coming up, the country gets more refugees though the government says it's getting
CURNOW: Welcome back. The Slovenian army is now helping manage the stream of migrants flowing in from Croatia. Police and soldiers are
escorting columns of refugees to registration camps. Let's look at those images. Some 8,000 people entered Slovenia Monday. But only 2,000 were
able to pass into Austria. The Slovenian government says the migrant surge has exceeded all manageable possibilities.
Well, many of the refugees are trying to reach Germany. Our Atika Shubert joins us now --
CURNOW: -- from Berlin.
The surge has exceeded all manageable possibilities.
This really is testing the limits of Europe, isn't it?
ATIKA SHUBERT, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, especially Slovenia, the smallest country on what has become this Balkan route for the refugees.
And basically what's happening is because Hungary has closed its borders, it means that refugees are diverting the routes they've been taking and now
they're crossing from Greece into Macedonia then Croatia and Slovenia.
Now Slovenia was trying to restrict the number of refugees coming into just 2,500. But on average now it's been experiencing more than 5,000
coming in every day.
And what you see in those pictures, with that snaking line across the grass there is that's actually police rounding up the various refugees and
migrants that have tried to cross on foot and they've sort of scattered around the border. So they've tried to bring them all together and get
them into one registration center.
So Slovenia's definitely feeling overwhelmed and it is even now considering building a border fence to try and at least regulate the flow
of migrants and refugees coming across.
CURNOW: Difficult, isn't it, though?
Also, amidst all of this, a lot of anti-immigration sentiment, where you are particularly.
SHUBERT: Well, exactly. In fact, last night, I was in Dresden in East Germany, which is now where you see weekly protests every Monday night
against refugees and immigration. Now these are protests that actually started a year ago but they've grown since the refugee crisis began here in
Europe, really reached its peak, I should say, over the summer.
And what we've seen is that a crowd last night of more than 15,000, some estimates in the tens of thousands there, gathered to protest against
Germany's refugee policy, saying the country is full, it doesn't want, doesn't need anymore refugees or migrants.
And there was a particular anti-Islamic bent to the protest last night, many people feeling that Muslim refugees and migrants coming in were
somehow eroding German traditions.
And there is a lot of fear and anger here. For the most part, people here have welcomed refugees, literally applauding them when they arrived
initially from stations in Munich, for example, but more recently, as winter sets in, people are concerned that the country isn't prepared. And
now more than half in the recent poll have said that Germany simply has, quote, "too many refugees."
CURNOW: Atika Shubert, thank you so much for that update. Appreciate it. Thanks.
Well, this is the INTERNATIONAL DESK. Ahead, China's president is set to address the British Parliament after a festive welcome to the U.K.
We're live in London.
CURNOW: Welcome back. Turning now to the U.S. presidential race and a new CNN/ORC poll shows Donald Trump and Ben Carson standing atop the
Republican field. Trump leads with 27 percent, followed by Carson at 22 percent. No other candidate is close.
Look at those numbers. Former Florida governor Jeb Bush and Florida senator Marco Rubio are tied for third place with 8 percent. And Carly
Fiorina, remember her? Fell from 15 percent support in the last poll to just 4 percent now in a tie for 7th place.
On the Democratic side, there is still no word yet on whether Vice President Joe Biden will join the race. A Democratic congressman says
Biden is expected to announce a decision soon.
Sources tell CNN his associates have set up interviews for potential campaign staff. But the wait may be hurting his standing. A CNN/ORC poll
shows fewer people believe he should enter the race now than they did back in August.
A group of self-proclaimed hackers say it's managed to get into the private email accounts of both the CIA Director John Brennan and Homeland
Security Secretary Jeh Johnson. Now the group claims the email breach was a low-tech operation. The CIA chief is apparently using an AOL email
The alleged hackers say they manipulated AOL into resetting his password. Since then the group has been tweeting out information it claims
to have gathered, including Brennan's application for security clearance.
CNNMoney's Laurie Segall spoke to them in their only recorded interview about what they found.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Social Security numbers, plans talking about Iraq and Syria. There was a lot of, I guess, private information, really. He's
pretty stupid, really.
CURNOW (voice-over): Well, the hackers say they're American, they smoke pot and are all younger than 22. Sources confirm that both accounts
were hacked but CNN cannot independently verify the documents that have been leaked.
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CURNOW: Well, China's president will address the British Parliament next hour on the first day of his four-day state visit to Britain. Before
that, President Xi and his wife got a royal welcome. The couple received a personal greeting from Queen Elizabeth. CNN London correspondent Max
Foster joins me from outside Buckingham Palace.
They're really laying out the red carpet for him. I mean, he's going to be staying in that building behind you tonight, isn't he?
MAX FOSTER, CNN HOST: Exactly. He's just had lunch as well. He's been given a tour of a private collection of Chinese artifacts from the
royal collection as well. They really are pulling out all the stops for President Xi Jinping.
And it's because the government wants to put as much as possible as that economic relationship between the two countries. So we had the
cavalry taking the president down the mall just a bit earlier on, a big formal welcome as well, a ceremonial welcome for him.
Certainly they're doing as much as they possibly can. And the prime minister will be accompanying the president throughout most of the next
four days. They're putting as much as they can into this.
And what the British government are basically saying is that they want to be the Western economic high for China, which is extraordinary, really,
a gateway to the European Union but also a gateway into the Western economies as well.
And President Xi is very supportive of that. He admitted to Reuters just yesterday where he talked about that, was impressed by that. And as a
result billions of pounds' worth of deals will be announced over the next few days.
So it is really a big occasion for the U.K., but also for China but also for the dynamics of the global economy in a way.
CURNOW: Clearly, this trip coming off --
CURNOW: another trip Xi Jinping made to the White House, where he was also feted. Clearly, the U.S. and the U.K. Trying to get Chinese
investment. But there's a lot of competition. They're up against Australia, Canada, Brazil, Nigeria, Indonesia in terms of where China
FOSTER: Yes, and they've all got their own particular issues with China as well. So for example, in the U.S., there's a lot of concern about
digital espionage, for example, and that came up a few times. The issue here is human rights. So Prince Charles, for example, isn't going to the
state dinner tonight. And that's been read as a bit of a message from Prince Charles. He hasn't said he's doing anything alternative but he's
very close with the Dalai Lama, for example, and he's concerned about human rights in China.
We've got the opposition leader, Jeremy Corbyn, who's a Republican but also has expressed his concern about human rights in China. He is going to
the state dinner tonight and says he will bring it up.
So all these countries have particular issues but it's how they handle it. And I think the Chinese diplomats are very clear on how Britain feels
on the human rights issue. It's not something they'll discuss behind the scenes. But when it comes to the pomp and pageantry and a long-term
relationship, it's all about the economics.
And it seems as though they're all talking off the same page as well, Robyn, David Cameron talking about a golden time in that relationship.
You've got the president of China talking about a golden era in the relationship. So they are speaking off the same hymn sheet here. They
seem to agree with each other. And so far, it's going quite well. But the big speech is coming in the next hour or so. And we'll bring you that.
CURNOW: At Buckingham Palace, Max Foster, thanks for joining us.
You're at the INTERNATIONAL DESK. Still ahead, Oscar Pistorius is no longer in prison but he's in house arrest. We'll have reaction and a look
at what's next for the Olympic sprinter.
CURNOW: Welcome to the INTERNATIONAL DESK. I'm Robyn Curnow at the CNN Center. Here's a check of the headlines.
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CURNOW (voice-over): Police say a car swerved into people at a bus stop in the West Bank. It happened near a Jewish settlement. A soldier
and a civilian were wounded and the Palestinian driver was shot dead. An Israeli man was hit and killed by a truck in an earlier attack in Hebron.
A royal welcome in Britain for Chinese President Xi Jinping. Queen Elizabeth greeted Mr. Xi at the start of his four-day state visit. He'll
address Parliament within the hour. Britain's government says it will raise human rights issues with Mr. Xi ,though not as an official topic.
Canadians have elected their first new leader in almost a decade. Justin Trudeau will replace Stephen Harper as prime minister after
Trudeau's Liberal Party won an absolute majority in Parliament. He's the son of former prime minister Pierre Trudeau. The results were a stunning
blow to Mr. Harper's Conservative Party. He says, though, he will remain in Parliament.
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CURNOW: Oscar Pistorius is staying at his uncle's house after being released from prison a day earlier to begin his term under house arrest.
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CURNOW (voice-over): There are pictures of him. Here's the house. There are no pictures of him. Here's pictures of the house because that's
the whole point. He was released early and there was -- under the cover of darkness with no media present.
The Olympic sprinter was sentenced to five years for culpable homicide in the 2013 shooting death of his girlfriend, Reeva Steenkamp. He claims
he mistook her for an intruder. But his legal troubles aren't over. Next month, the court will consider an appeal from prosecutors for a murder
conviction and a tougher sentence.
For now, though, a spokeswoman says his family says he's happy that he's home and they will continue to support his as he serves out the
remainder of his sentence.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's very important for the family to emphasize that Oscar's sentence hasn't been shortened or reduced. He's simply
entering the next phase of his sentence now. And he will serve this under the strict conditions that govern correctional supervision.
CURNOW (voice-over): Meanwhile, a representative for Steenkamp's family said this about her parents, quote, "Nothing has changed for June
and Barry. Nothing will bring Reeva back."
Well, CNN legal analyst Kelly Phelps is outside the house where Pistorius is staying in Pretoria. She joins us now with the latest.
Great to have you. I know Kelly and I, we spent many months covering that trial together in Pretoria. And I think what is so key -- and you
lecture at the University of Cape Town on this -- is that this is not an early parole as Annalisa Burgess was saying there and it's certainly not
house arrest, either. There's certain conditions to this. Just explain it to our audience.
KELLY PHELPS, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: Absolutely. This is called correctional supervision. And that isn't the suspension of punishment or
the end of his sentence but the continuation of his punishment in the community. And there will be a number of conditions.
They won't be made public, which is standard for the privacy of the offender. They include things like doing community service, participating
in psychotherapy and other such programs as well as certain restrictions on where he can move, when he can move and the sorts of work he can engage in.
CURNOW: But you say work. And I think what's also important to note here is that, under correction supervision, the state encourages you to
work, encourages you to find a job and do obviously correctional community service. So he will be out and about in the community at some point.
PHELPS: Absolutely. And in fact, that's one of the key benefits of this type of sentence for society generally is the fact that the offender
doesn't have to remain a burden on taxpayer funds in prison but can actually shoulder some of the expense of their own care themselves and,
while doing so, contribute back to the community in a constructive way.
CURNOW: And also I think what is important, particularly for Oscar Pistorius, is that we don't know the conditions that he has agreed to or
that the state has agreed to. But there is a huge possibility that he will be allowed to train as well.
PHELPS: Yes, especially if it were in his line of work. But also all people would be allowed some free time. And if that's how he chose to fill
his free time, there would be no necessary restriction on that. I think it is unlikely, however, from a practical perspective, that he would go back
into full-time training. It would certainly just be on a recreational level.
CURNOW: OK. Kelly Phelps, as always, great to talk to you. Thank you so much.
So what's next for Oscar Pistorius --
CURNOW: -- in terms of his athletic career? Is it over?
Don Riddell is here to join me.
We heard Kelly Phelps there. And I specifically asked her that question. Legally, he will be allowed to train; however, she says, it's
obviously unlikely this is going to be on a professional level.
But do you think that when this is all other, barring this appeal, that he could ever go back to competitive athletics?
DON RIDDELL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: And barring anything else going wrong during the next four years, where he's at home and correctional
It's too early to say. There's so many factors and so many balls in the air, things that could happen.
You have to be honest. It's going to be very, very difficult, certainly very, very difficult to go back to anything like the career he
enjoyed before. He worked his whole life to get that to position where he was, at the Paralympics and winning six gold models, winning the silver and
the world championships, running in an Olympic final, an able-bodied Olympic final.
I think it's going to be very, very difficult to get back to that. Apart from anything else, he's going to be significantly older. He's going
to be 29 next month. He can train in some capacity for the next few years but he's not going to be able to compete. He's not going to be able to
And so what kind of athlete he would be at the end of this period of time is clearly going to be nowhere near what he was before.
CURNOW: He was -- besides being good at what he did, he also was incredibly successful financially in terms of a brand. Obviously all of
that went out the window after this incident.
But do you see him again being a relevant brand?
Do you see him having some sort of career?
Do you think companies would want to attach their name to Oscar Pistorius once he's, you know, rehabilitated himself, or at least shown the
public that he's rehabilitated?
RIDDELL: There certainly could be a role.
Do I see the biggest corporations in the world wanting to be associated with someone who has been found responsible for killing another
That, I think, might be difficult. But his story remains remarkable. His accomplishments are not something that can be taken away from him,
So he does remain an inspirational figure to a lot of people. A lot of people in South Africa, a lot of people who have the same disability as
him, they absolutely look up to him and admire him. So there is perhaps something he can do there. There is perhaps good that he can still do.
I think if he's looking at how he's going to make money for the next few years, a book deal at some point, a movie could still be made about his
life, you know, that is something where he could try and make a bit of money again and perhaps even a significant amount of money again.
But that is so far down the road still. He can't even think about anything of that nature now and he has to keep himself out of trouble.
CURNOW: That's a very good point. And I think that's also key, is that he can't be seen to be making money out of Reeva Steenkamp and that
entire tragedy. So there's a balance between where he goes on this.
When you say keep out of trouble, what do you mean by that? I mean, this is.
RIDDELL: Well, he's known to be a bit of a hot head, right? He is a very, very high-profile figure. He is no longer behind bars. He is going
to be interacting with the community and people around about him.
I think there's going to be people who are going to find it hard to resist taunting him and just interacting with him. And I think it's going
to be very, very difficult for him.
I think it's going to be so tempting to try and resume the life he had before and presumably there's going to be restrictions on him and he's not
going to be able to do that. And four years is a very long time.
So let's just see how it goes, eh?
CURNOW: Day by day.
CURNOW: Don Riddell, as always, thanks a lot.
Well, the former basketball star found unconscious at a brothel has left Las Vegas. We'll have the latest on Lamar Odom's recovery. You're
watching the IDESK.
CURNOW: Former NBA star Lamar Odom has been moved to an L.A. hospital for the next phase of his recovery. He was airlifted out of Nevada on
Monday, just days after waking up from a coma.
Odom had played for the Lakers and Clippers and had a reality TV show with his former wife, Khloe Kardashian; lost consciousness last week at a
brothel. Workers say he had used cocaine and herbal supplements.
Well, that does it for us here at the INTERNATIONAL DESK. I'm Robyn Curnow. Thanks so much for watching. "WORLD SPORT" with Christina
Macfarlane is up next.