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Fox Lake Cop Committed Suicide; Interview with Jeb Bush; Clinton Has Wide Lead in New National Poll. Aired 6:30-7a ET
Aired November 4, 2015 - 06:30 ET
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[06:31:54] ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: A big election night for Republicans in the South. A near clean sweep for the GOP in Kentucky, putting a Republican in the statehouse. Businessman Matt Bevin becomes just the second Republican governor in 44 years. Bevin has vowed to roll back Obamacare.
Meanwhile, voters rejecting Houston's equal rights ordinance. That measured that offered broad anti-discrimination protections for gays and transgendered people.
MICHAELA PEREIRA, CNN ANCHOR: A new Quinnipiac poll out this morning has GOP presidential candidates Donald Trump and Ben Carson neck and neck. Mr. Trump has 24 percent compared to Carson's 23 percent.
Senator Marco Rubio comes in third with 14 percent, followed by Senator Ted Cruz and Jeb Bush. And in a matchup with Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton, Carson fares best, leading her 50 percent to 40 percent.
CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: Another blow for airbag maker Takata. Honda announcing it's dropping the Japanese company in new models. This comes as safety regulators hit Takata with a $70 million fine over defective airbag inflaters. The bags can explode when activated, producing a lethal spray of shrapnel. They've been linked with eight deaths, one in Malaysia and seven in the U.S. Takata says it will use a different ingredient to inflate its air bags in the future.
CAMEROTA: A startling revelation now, in the shooting death investigation of that Illinois police officer that sparked the massive manhunt and national outrage. This morning, officials expected to provide evidence suggesting that Lieutenant Joe Gliniewicz killed himself, ending months of speculation but furthering the mystery.
CNN's Deborah Feyerick joins us with more.
Deb, what have you learned?
DEBORAH FEYERICK, CNN CORRESPONDENT: What we're learning is that, you remember that hundreds of police officers swarmed that area to catch who they believed were three killers on loose. But the rumors began really pretty quickly that, in fact, perhaps this wasn't a murder but something very different. That's because Lieutenant Joe Gliniewicz was shot two times with his own gun and no signs of a struggle.
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FEYERICK (voice-over): Breaking overnight, a bombshell development in the shooting death of Fox Lake Police Lieutenant Joe Gliniewicz, killed in early September. This morning, Illinois law enforcement officials expected to announce they believe the 52-year- old officer committed suicide, dying from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.
This, a departure from the initial theory that the army veteran and father of four was gunned down by at least one of three male suspects after he chased them on foot.
LT. JOE GLINIEWICZ, UNIT 6740: I'm out near the cold concrete plant checking, out two male white --
DISPATCH: 10-4, do you need a second --
GLINIEWICZ: Negative. 6740, they took off toward the swamp.
FEYERICK: This is Lieutenant Gliniewicz's radio call from that fateful day. Minutes later, he requests backup, before radio communication drops off.
The backup team later finding his body 50 yards from his squad car. Authorities say the 30-year veteran of the force was shot twice with his own service weapon. Gliniewicz's death prompting a massive manhunt in northern Illinois. Hundreds of officers, dozens of canine units and a handful of aircraft combing the wooded area for weeks, leaving the small community stunned.
[06:35:05] No one was ever arrested. The coroner saying he can't rule out a homicide, suicide or accident.
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FEYERICK: And there were a few things that did complicate the investigation. First of all, DNA found at the crime scene did not match the lieutenant. It did not match anyone in the criminal database. And in fact, sources told me that several police officers were being tested to see whether in fact that crime scene may have been contaminated.
Also, the Fox Lake Police Department was under investigation. There was a big internal investigation going on. The police chief had actually been put on administrative leave and then retired. So all of that may have impacted what may have happened -- guys.
CAMEROTA: Just incredible, that story that we followed for so many days here.
PEREIRA: A reminder you have to let the course of the investigation play out. There's always a rush to judgment in these kind of stories, what happened.
CUOMO: You don't always get an answer.
PEREIRA: No.
CUOMO: They're still struggling with that there.
Deb, thanks for staying on it for us. Appreciate it.
PEREIRA: Jeb Bush's numbers are sliding to new lows in the polls. So how does he plan to turn things around? A revealing one- on-one interview with Jeb Bush, next.
And a reminder for you, we'll speak live with Donald Trump top of the hour.
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[06:40:15] PEREIRA: A new Quinnipiac poll shows support for Republican presidential candidate Jeb Bush continuing to erode. Let's take a look at how it stacks up. Bush at 4 percent in fifth place behind Donald Trump, Ben Carson, Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz.
CNN special correspondent Jamie Gangel had a wide-ranging interview with Jeb Bush. He joins us now.
Tell us about this conversation and how he is feeling?
JAMIE GANGEL, CNN SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, he says he's feeling better, but I'm not sure that's true. They're relaunching the campaign again, trying to turn a page and hoping that he can break through. We talked to him about Donald Trump and Trump said he should quit, spoiler alert. He's not going to go anywhere right now.
But we started by asking him just how he connects with voters.
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GANGEL: I have some good news for you. You are working with lowered expectations.
JEB BUSH (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Yes.
GANGEL: No way to go -- does that in some way free you up?
BUSH: To a certain extent. I always knew this was going to be hard. I never felt like a front-runner because we haven't earned it. We haven't, you know, just starting out on the journey, you got to go earn it. I have to get better at debating or performing, whatever it's called. I will. I'm a grinder. I'm very competitive and so, I feel good about where we are.
GANGEL: You keep saying "I'm a grinder". What does that mean?
BUSH: That means, I describe it as I eat nails before I eat breakfast. I'm focused, I'm competitive, I set high expectations on myself. I knew this was going to be hard.
GANGEL: Donald Trump is tweeting out every two seconds. This morning he said, you should quit. He said all the candidates should quit except --
BUSH: Except him?
GANGEL: Except for him.
Do you think an old-fashioned guy who wants to be a doer, who wants to be a fixer, is really what people are looking for?
BUSH: They're desperate for it. This is the real world. In the pundit world where it's all about this kind of bizarre tweeting out things that aren't relevant to anybody's real life, you know, that's another subject.
I'm not going to win over the punditry class for sure. But I know I can win over people that aspire to a better life for themselves and their family. As it relates to Donald, he's run for president twice and quit.
I've run for governor in the biggest swing state and won twice. I know how to win. I've done it. I actually know how to govern, which is going to be an attribute when we get closer to the election.
GANGEL: For the record, for Donald Trump, you're not quitting?
BUSH: No. I mean, do we have to talk about Donald Trump? No, I'm not quitting.
He's entertaining. He's fun. He says funny things in the breaks, in the debate. But I'm running for president of the United States and it's a serious endeavor. I do it with joy. There's a lot of fun parts of it for sure.
GANGEL: Marco Rubio, he is now rising in the polls, your former protege. In the debate you went after him for missing votes. But he hit back and some people think he got the better of the moment.
Was it a mistake to attack him on that?
BUSH: Here's my point: people that are serving need to show up and work. Period. Over and out.
GANGEL: It wasn't a mistake?
BUSH: I just think people need to show up and make.
GANGEL: I understand. This is a cam pane. You've got to beat these other guys. Do you keep attacking?
BUSH: I'm not attacking to say someone should show up and work. Do you get paid when you don't show up?
GANGEL: No.
BUSH: Come on. Does anybody in this room get paid when they decide I'm going to go do something else?
Rand Paul is -- has got a pretty good attendance record. He's running for president as well. You can make an accommodation. The people of the state of Florida expect people to show up and work when they elect them. It's not a criticism. It's just a simple fact.
GANGEL: You're going to keep saying it?
BUSH: That people ought to show up and work?
GANGEL: That Marco Rubio --
BUSH: It's not a criticism.
GANGEL: OK. Donald Trump, we have to get back to him one more time. He just called Marco Rubio a lightweight and he said Vladimir Putin would eat him for lunch. You think that's fair?
BUSH: No, it's not fair. Marco is a capable guy. He's a talented politician. Here's what I think. I think I'm the best qualified to be president.
GANGEL: But is Marco Rubio ready?
BUSH: I'm the best qualified to be president.
GANGEL: You're not going to answer the question.
BUSH: If you're comparing me to Donald Trump, I'm better qualified to be president.
GANGEL: Is Marco Rubio --
BUSH: I'm better qualified than anybody else running for president. And it's not -- I'm not pushing people down when I say that.
[06:45:02] And if it makes you feel better, everybody on the Republican stage is better than Hillary Clinton. That's a low bar, though.
GANGEL: You have said you have grave concerns about Donald Trump. You watch firsthand your brother, your father be commander in chief.
BUSH: Yes.
GANGEL: Are you comfortable with Donald Trump as commander in chief?
BUSH: I'm not comfortable with some of the things he says, particularly about Syria where he one week says that let ISIS take out Assad and then the Russians come in and he praises Putin. Says let Russia take care of is.
It's a reactive kind of mode that somehow I'm the big guy in the room, I'll figure it out as I go along. Foreign policy needs to undergird with a set of principles. And so, I think he's going to have to learn, if he's serious about this, you know, to be able to get your foreign policy advice from the shows is probably not the best way to be ready to be president.
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PEREIRA: So, Jaime, do you get a sense that he's flummoxed when he looks at the polls and sees how well Donald Trump is doing and how poorly he's doing? Because, you know, you talk about the fact that he's reinvigorating in which direction he's going to go. Do you think he gets frustrated by that?
GANGEL: Of course. He's going to say polls are polls, they're dynamic. Nobody wants to be at 8 percent, nobody wants to be at 4 percent.
PEREIRA: Of course.
GANGEL: This is not going in the right direction.
CAMEROTA: Yes, last week he was asked are you having any fun? And his response was, yes, I'm having fun! He was testy about it.
In person, do you get the impression that he's enjoying some of this or not?
GANGEL: It's very interesting you said that. I think there is a complete disconnect between what he's like in person and what he's like on TV.
PEREIRA: Interesting.
GANGEL: His energy level, he seemed relaxed. He was up, he does seem happy in person. He's working hard, because he has to break through. But there is something you're not seeing that's not coming through.
CUOMO: Sometimes it's just a bad matchup, you know, within you look at opponents on paper. Sometimes you look at his resume, look at who he is. I get why there is so much money behind him. I don't believe it was just a Bush legacy issue. I believe he was very attractive.
But in the current environment with what is resonating with voters, is it just a bad matchup for him and his skill set?
GANGEL: It may be. This is a decent man, a hard-working man. He was a fixer as governor with a great reputation. But it's been a long time since he was governor and someone said to me, Jeb is running at a time when there was a 24-hour news cycle, now there's a 24-second news cycle. Then he has Donald Trump on top of it.
PEREIRA: Right.
GANGEL: It's a very different climate.
PEREIRA: That shows up when you even see how he did in the debate. The fact that what you talk about, about his public appearance when he's on the ground with folks, where he relates well or to where he's on the front stage, you can see it's a struggle, even for him.
GANGEL: I thought it was fascinating when he said he didn't hit Rubio back because the moderator said that it was time to move on and interrupted him. That's sort of -- he's like his father. He's polite. He thought it was time to stop.
CAMEROTA: Right.
GANGEL: But in the end, it didn't look good.
CAMEROTA: Right. He was playing by the rules but in this particular election cycle, there are no rules. You have to throw out that old rule book.
GANGEL: Exactly.
PEREIRA: All right. Jamie, we'll have more of your interview coming up on NEW DAY. We appreciate that. Look forward to hearing what else he has to say.
In a few minutes time we'll speak live with Donald Trump right here on NEW DAY.
CAMEROTA: Well, Hillary Clinton surging in the latest polls. Has the Bernie Sanders movement burned out?
CUOMO: #burnedout? Is that what you're saying?
CAMEROTA: Yes, that's what I'm --
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[06:53:01] CAMEROTA: Hillary Clinton taking a wide lead over her rival, Bernie Sanders in a new national poll out just this morning. She's also, by the way, pulling ahead in New Hampshire. We'll show you those in a moment.
But there are other numbers that suggest some trouble ahead for the Democratic front-runner.
Let's break it down with Brad Woodhouse. He's the president of Correct the Record. That's a super PAC supporting Hillary Clinton. He's also the former communications director for the DNC.
Brad, great to see you.
BRAD WOODHOUSE, CORRECT THE RECORD: Good morning. Thanks for having me.
CAMEROTA: So, that first number that we showed, Hillary Clinton getting 53 percent of Democrat's choice for nominee, to Bernie Sanders 35 percent, that must be music to your eyes to mix a metaphor.
WOODHOUSE: Yes.
CAMEROTA: Do you -- what do you think caused that bump? Is that Joe Biden officially getting out of the race?
WOODHOUSE: No, I actually think it has a lot to do with what we saw in October. We came into October and people said this could be a treacherous month for Hillary Clinton. She has the debate, she has the potential of Joe Biden, she has the Benghazi hearings. She leaped over those hurdles with leaps and bounds.
I mean, it was a great month for her. These polls in November show that November's off to a great start. But, look, you don't take anything for granted in this business. My advice to candidates is always to run like you're ten points behind. I think she is going to do that.
But you see her consolidating support among Democrats, among women, and it's -- I think it's been a good run for her.
CAMEROTA: And yet, not so fast, brad, because there are other numbers out this morning from that same Quinnipiac poll that shows in head-to-head matchups against the Republicans she's not faring as well, look at this.
When you put her against Ben Carson he gets 50 percent to her 40 percent. When you put her against Marco Rubio, Rubio gets 46 percent, Hillary Clinton 41 percent. She does win in this head-to-head matchup. She gets 46 percent to Donald Trump's 43 percent. That may be within the margin of error.
So, what's beginning on in the more national numbers?
[06:55:00] WOODHOUSE: Well, look, first of all, I think head- to-heads between a Democrat and a Republican before anyone has won a primary are, you know, a little ridiculous. I mean, they're fun, interesting. But here's the other thing: no one thinks that Hillary Clinton or any Democratic nominee will get only 40 percent of the vote.
So I kind of call those results into question. But look, the main thing right now, for Hillary Clinton, is to win the Democratic primary. The numbers there are looking better. She's not taking anything for granted. Senator Sanders has run a strong, competitive race as she's always said.
CAMEROTA: I mean, Brad, what's funny is, of course, you like the numbers we first showed in the same Quinnipiac poll against Bernie Sanders before anybody's voted, but then not the ones in the matchups against the Republicans.
WOODHOUSE: Well, I -- the reason is, this is more of a head-to- head matchup. I mean, you're kind of playing three-dimensional chess comparing a Democratic candidate who doesn't have the nomination to half a dozen Republican candidates who haven't won the nomination.
CAMEROTA: I get it. Let's talk about the issues that she wants to focus on.
WOODHOUSE: Sure.
CAMEROTA: One of them is gun violence. She's said she wants to make this a prime issue in the election. In fact, she's rolling out a new campaign ad about gun violence in Iowa and New Hampshire.
So, we have a little clip of that. Let me play it for you.
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HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: This epidemic of gun violence knows no boundaries. Between 88 and 92 people a day are killed by guns. We're better than this. We need to close the loopholes.
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CAMEROTA: Brad, there's a very surprising finding in this new Quinnipiac poll about how voters feel. About gun violence maybe I can pull this up for you. This is among Democrats, mind you, where they rate gun violence, economy and jobs is number one, way out front at 45 percent. Then health care, 9 percent, foreign policy 9 percent, climate change 7 percent, federal deficit 5 percent and then all the way at the bottom you get to gun policy.
Now, I mean, given that this is such a third rail issue for voters, people feel so strongly, is this the right issue for her to be focusing on?
WOODHOUSE: Well, look, Alisyn, somebody has to focus on this issue. Just look at what we've seen and what she says -- what she says in that ad. I really applaud her for taking this on. Because there are as a politician, there are risks in taking this issue on.
But what it needs is someone to have passion, to be passionate about it and get the numbers. I mean, the vast majority of Americans want to do something about this, particularly as it relates to background checks and to have a leader infuse passion into those numbers to match the passion that the gun lobby has. I really applaud Hillary Clinton for doing that.
CAMEROTA: So, is that what she will bring to the table? The request for -- or demand for universal background checks? Is that what she's going to stick with that will distinguish her in this battle?
WOODHOUSE: Well, look, I think that's one important part of her platform. And I think she's even talked about executive actions that she might take as president. So, look, I believe this is an important issue. America has to grapple with this issue.
And someone of her stature leading it, I really applaud it. Those other issues she's going to address particularly as it relates to the economy, she's had a lot to say about this. But this is an important issue and it's great that she's taken it on.
CAMEROTA: Last, very quickly, Bernie Sanders calls himself the underdog now particularly with these new numbers. Given this current climate of people embracing the outside of the establishment, do you think -- what do you predict for Bernie Sanders? His numbers in the next month or so?
WOODHOUSE: Look, Senator Sanders raised a lot of money. He's generated enthusiasm. I think, you know, he's going to be around. He's going to be -- he's going to be competitive. He's going to add to the conversation.
I think Hillary Clinton is demonstrated on the Democratic side, people appreciate stature, experience, qualifications and a long-term commitment to Democratic policies that she's demonstrated over the course of her life. I think that's going to suit her well in the primary.
CAMEROTA: Brad Woodhouse, thanks so much for being on NEW DAY.
WOODHOUSE: Thank you.
CAMEROTA: We're following allot of news this morning. Let's get right to it.
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PEREIRA: Donald Trump and Dr. Ben Carson locked in a dead heat.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How about being guest host on "Saturday Night Live," does that interest you?
BEN CARSON (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: No.
BUSH: I've got to get better at debating, I guess, or performing, whatever that's called.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We're getting into a real race.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Candidates have been reluctant to go after either Trump or Carson, or both.
TRUMP: If you add Ben and myself, we're beating everybody a lot. You look at Marco Rubio, very, very weak on illegal immigration. My Jeb impression, I don't like showing a person sleeping at a podium.
Do I think it's time to have some of other Republican candidates drop out? Yes.
CAMEROTA: Donald Trump, he joins us, live.
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