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Obama Immigration Plan Suffers Blow; Are U.S. Flights at Risk of Explosions; Eruption of Violence Claims Lives of 2 Chicago Children. Aired 11:30a-12p ET

Aired November 10, 2015 - 11:30   ET


[11:30:00] PAMELA BROWN, CNN ANCHOR: What do you think, Paul?

PAUL CALLAN, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: It's a fascinating cause because it involves two categories of immigrants. One are the parents of children who are American citizens. The parent is here illegally, is undocumented but the children maybe were born in the United States. There are about 4.3 million of them. The second category consists of children who came into the United States many, many years ago, grew up here, and they should be allowed to remain.

Here's how President Obama went around the Congress on this and around the law on this. He said, I'm the chief prosecutor. I'm in charge of the Department of Justice. He's really issuing an executive order to his prosecutors not to prosecute in these cases, to defer action in these cases of these categories for an extensive period of time. The courts are saying, well, you know, you're trying to evade the law by using discretion as a prosecutor. It's an interesting theory they used. And I'll be fascinated to see what the Supreme Court does. They'll probably, I think, kick it over so it doesn't get involved with the presidential election, but, you know, anything could happen here.

BROWN: I was going to say, because as we've seen, it's a hot-button issue in the presidential election.

Ariane, it was interesting how the judge that disagreed in the circuit court with this decision was really upset about how long it took them to reach this decision. Why was that?

ARIANE DE VOGUE, CNN SUPREME COURT REPORTER: Immigration groups said, look, we know this appeals court doesn't like these programs. They tip their hat to it, so they should have gotten an opinion out much sooner than they did so it could get in front of the court and be heard this term. That dissenting judge last night called the majority out on it and said they shouldn't have taken so long to release the opinion.

BROWN: She did not hold back.

Ariane de Vogue, Paul Callan, thank you so much.

Be really interesting to see how this will play out.

A kitchen clock timer, a wristwatch, even a phone can be used to set off an explosion.




BROWN: Up next, how just a half pound of dynamite could easily cripple a passenger plane. We'll be right back.

And a 9-year-old lured to an alley and gunned down, plus a teenager who tried to escape the violence in Chicago killed while walking back from a barber shop. Children caught in the gunfire, just ahead.


[11:36:38] BROWN: The growing consensus is that a terrorist-made bomb took down Russian MetroJet flight, and now U.S. security officials are concerned about nearly one million people whose jobs give them open access behind the security lines at American airports. What kind of bomb could have been used and what kind of damage could even a small bomb do?

Our Miguel Marquez went to the experts to find out.



MIGUEL MARQUEZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): That exPLOsion, a half pound of dynamite, a conventional explosive mainly used in industrial settings. It packs a massive wallop.


MARQUEZ: The exPLOsion moving about 19,000 feet per second. It could easily cripple a passenger aircraft.

(on camera): It seems too simple.

RYAN MORRIS, OWNER, TRIPWIRE: Yeah, it is. Well, when the bad guys make the improvised ones, it's the same process. You can see how fast it could be done.

MARQUEZ (voice-over): C-4, more powerful than dynamite.


MARQUEZ (on camera): That is how many feet per second we're talking about?

MORRIS: 30,000.

MARQUEZ (voice-over): That's just over a half pound of C-4, a plastic explosive, also conventional. Tough to go out and buy in the United States, but in some countries, a similar explosive can be bought on the black market.


MARQUEZ: In the case of MetroJet 9268, U.S. officials believe an unsophisticated device using conventional explosive may have brought down the airbus 321, that it was possibly placed in the luggage compartment a short time before takeoff.

(on camera): All of these products in this size are big enough to create a very big blast?

MORRIS: Correct.

MARQUEZ: Ryan Morris, Tripwire's owner, worked for the government as an explosives technician and now makes and designs explosives for commercial use, and trains law enforcement in detecting and disabling bombs.

Bombs can be made from items purchased in hardware or farm stores, and in the right hands --

(on camera): That sounds like a rifle shot.

(voice-over): -- could also bring down a plane. That was a half pound of potassium chlorate with icing sugar, like you use to bake a cake.


MARQUEZ: That's ammonium nitrate and powder, basically, fertilizer and aluminum.

MORRIS: Ninety percent of the stuff you don't need a license to buy. I can go in the half a half an hour away and come home with 90 percent of this.

MARQUEZ (on camera): Almost all of this?

MORRIS: Almost all of this.

MARQUEZ (voice-over): In experienced - hands the bomb itself, easy enough to make. Setting them off, another matter.

MORRIS: All I'm going to do is I'm going to place it right inside the cap well.

MARQUEZ: A blasting cap like this one, a smaller exPLOsion, used to set off a larger one, necessary.


MARQUEZ: The blasting cap itself needs a tiny electrical charge. We used a wire to detonator for these demonstrations, only 1.5 volts of electricity needed to set off such large blasts.

(EXPLOSION) MARQUEZ: But anything from a kitchen, clock timer to a wristwatch to a phone, could be used to send a signal, setting off a tiny charge that could lead to so much destruction.

Miguel Marquez, CNN, Gettysburg, Pennsylvania.


[11:39:57] BROWN: Pretty disturbing there.

Let's dig into this further with Anthony May, a former explosives expert for the ATF.

Anthony, first question, what will investigators be looking for to determine if this was a bomb?

ANTHONY MAY, FORMER ATF EXPLOSIVES EXPERT: Good morning, Pam. What they'll be looking for is a telltale signs of an exPLOsion. That's yet to be determined. This is all speculation but it's important to speculate because if this was a terrorist event, a bombing, then -- and it was successful, then there are others waiting. Going through the wreckage, looking at all the components, the damage it's caused those are signs that will yield to what type of device may have been used.

BROWN: Officials I've been speaking with about this say it's all about the forensic evidence. They have strong suspicions but until they get the wreckage and the results, then they're not ready to reach conclusions. But what if there is no bomb residue or specific blast pattern in the wreckage. Does that rule out a bomb being on the plane?

MAY: Not necessarily. Let's take a look at this scenario in its entirety. This device or function or event, whatever you wish to call it, occurred 24 minutes into this flight. Now, the -- inspire magazine, a propaganda magazine produced by al Qaeda, their 13th issue which came out in 2014 targeted aircraft. And it recommended that commercial aircraft be taken down while in flight, at altitude. This event occurred 24 minutes into flight. If this was a conventional timer, let's say a -- they had 59 minutes to work with, had there been a ground delay, this whole event would have been completely different. There may have been survivors or no casualties whatsoever if this event had occurred on the ground. Of course, with technology as it is, cell phones have been used. The printer cartridges used. The cell phone timer boards to potentially initiate those devices. I worked an investigation back in the late '90s where a serial bomber out in Fremont, California, used a Timex watch that had a year capability. He basically planted his bomb a year out and had it set to go on anniversary.

BROWN: What about barometric pressure because we know the plane was at 30,000 feet.

MAY: That's another possibility and probably a strong possibility. It reached 31,000 feet. If I were to build a device, I would want some certainty into it. And outside of command control of the device, a barometric pressure switch would be more likely used versus a timer because there's so many variables. A timer, it's problematic.

BROWN: There's still two questions. One, the certainty if it was a bomb and, two, who could have been behind this. Was it ISIS? Was it AQAP? Something right out of the playbook. If explosive residue was found, could that help narrow the field into the likely culprit here?

MAY: Well, it might lend an investigative lead, which is what this whole thing is about, is to develop those investigative leads early. Let's face it, an investigation like this it's going to take months before a definitive answer is determined. Unfortunately, we don't have the luxury to wait that amount of time. Like I said, if this was a terrorist attack, then there are probably other devices out there waiting to do the same thing. But identifying the type of explosives, it could lead you to that.

For example, in 2005, I was assigned to the combined explosive exploitation cell in Baghdad, Iraq. Our task there was to determine what type of devices was being used by insurgents against coalition forces. What we found most in those cases were military explosives that they cannibalized from Saddam Hussein's stockpile or even his rocket fuel.

BROWN: I would think the more makeshift the bomb, perhaps the easier it is to determine the materials, and there would be more residue.

Thank you so much, Anthony May. I really appreciate it.

MAY: Thank you.

[11:44:28] BROWN: A 9-year-old child gunned down in an alley. New details about his death as his family lays him to rest.

Plus, caught on tape. A dramatic police chase as a suspect in a stolen vehicle slams her car into a police officer's cruiser. More of this video just ahead.


BROWN: An eruption of violence in Chicago has claimed the lives of two children. 14-year-old Jaqante Miles was shot to death a few blocks from his home. His family had recently moved back to escape the wave violence. 9-year-old Tyshawn Lee was lured into the alleyway and shot and killed in cold blood. At this hour, mourners are gathering to pay respects to the little boy taken before his time.

Our Ryan Young is right outside of the church where the funeral services are being held -- Ryan?

[11:49:47] RYAN YOUNG, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Pamela, you are talking about the e details to this, and you know it hits people right in their hearts. The funeral service is supposed to start at 11:00, but when you look at the program and understand how young this young man was and look at the fact that Sponge Bob is on the front, and going inside, and all of the pictures of the young man's life, he should be here. And the 9-year-old lured into the alley, and shot and killed. They believe it is gang-related, that somebody tried to get inside of the alley, and do ton thinkable to kill him. And, of course, an hour ago, we saw the casket arrive here. And the mayor of Chicago has arrived in the last half hour, and the family here. But when you say this out loud the fact that a 9-year-old was targeted, so many people in the community are shocked by it. Look, there is violence here, and 2,000 shootings have happened here and close to 400 murders, and people in the city, I hate to say it are used to the violence, but one thing they can't understand is that a 9-year-old, a 9-year-old would be targeted in an alley.

BROWN: You can't get numb to that. And the murder of this 9-year- old, of Tyshawn and Jaqante, are similar, walking home. Are police saying anything about the possibility of a tie to the two murders?

YOUNG: Well, they have not said that yet, but they have talked about $50,000-plus reward in this case. We know that people are starting to calling in tips, and that is something where they had person of interest come in to talk to the police. They say they are closer to maybe making an arrest in the case, but the idea that there is somebody out there in the community a harboring information that gang members killed a 9-year-old, and in this community, even though there is a gang members and gang war going on, there was a code, but that code seems to have disappeared and now obviously children are targeted.

We know that an aspiring model was killed recently, and the 14-year- old boy was shot after his family moved back to Chicago a few days ago. And the idea that the funeral is going to start with people collapsing outside of the steps, and then the anger from the community. In fact, anger towards the activists is, where are they right now? And where are the people upset about the violence? Who is going to be marching in the streets for the young people who are killed?

Of course, we have talked to people in the community about the ideas of how it is tearing apart their neighborhoods.


KIRK MCKENNEY, CHICAGO RESIDENT: This caught everybody off guard. It is a surprise, man. Coming home from school in broad daylight and you assassinate a child, and you mean to tell me that no one saw that. Nobody saw that? Somebody had to see that.


YOUNG: And, Pamela, that is the big conversation. And you know, we deal with the police all of the time. You know that they need the tips from the community to be able to close this case that hopefully somebody in the community will stop the code of silence and start to give those tips and lead them to someone they can pull in. Of course, with this being gang violence, what police are saying, they want to make sure they can stop it before it spills out into the streets again, but it is too late for a 9-year-old. BROWN: And so often the witnesses sometimes they don't speak, because

they are worried about retaliation, but they have to find the suspect, Ryan. Have we learned anything more what that has been like? Are they any closer to finding, you know, making arrests?

YOUNG: And you know, behind the scenes, we have even seen and right now I can't show you all of the officers here, but every block around the church there are police officers, and they are still passing out fliers and let me show you one here they are passing out around the community. The reward at the bottom is not the current reward, but the fliers they are passing out in the community, and people are trying, and they are make an effort here, but as the superintendent has said over and over, it is going to take a community effort unlike anybody has seen before, because the idea is that violence happens here all of the time, and we have had weekends with shootings in the numbers of shootings in 60s and 40 people shot, and so you want to make sure that people are not getting numb to this and turning in the tips and giving them information to stop something.

BROWN: Ryan Young, thank you so much.

And coming up, dramatic video of a high-speed car chase and the shocking moment that the suspect rams her car into the police officer's cruiser.






[11:58:23] BROWN: I want you to see the dramatic footage of this police crash in Oklahoma. An officer was receiving information that a car had been stolen and then all of the sudden the driver comes right to him.


STACY: Stop! Stop!



BROWN: CNN's Michaela Pereira has more.




MICHAELA PEREIRA, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Caught on tape, dramatic video of a high-speed chase near an elementary school in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Body cam footage capturing the shocking moments before a woman who stole a vehicle ran her car into a patrol officer's patrol car Friday afternoon.


STACY: Stop! Stop!



PEREIRA: It shows the officer, Matt Stacy, laying down tire spikes, but the SUV is not showing any signs of slowing down, but accelerating near the officer at nearly 40 miles per hour.


STACY: Stop! Stop!



MIKE CARTER, CHIEF, SAND SPRINGS POLICE DEPARTMENT: This officer had less than three seconds to make a decision what to do.

PEREIRA: The video shows him get back up and pursue Stacey Ann Bunty.

STACY: Name is Bunty, Stacey.

PEREIRA: This footage from another officer's body cam shows Stacey Bunty popping out through the sunroof, ignoring police, and yelling obscenities.



STACY: Do not move your hands.


PEREIRA: After disobeying several orders --


STACY: Taser, taser, taser.


(END VIDEO CLIP) PEREIRA: Stacey was tasered.

Miraculously, Officer Stacy walking away from the incident with minor cuts and bruises.





UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was pretty wild. It is amazing that he didn't get injured, severely.


BROWN: Unbelievable. Well, that suspect is now charged with assault and battery with a deadly weapon, DUI and several other charges.

Thank you so much for joining us AT THIS HOUR.

"Legal View" with Ashleigh Banfield starts right now.