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Russia Responds to Doping Report; Police Arrest Man in "Bloody Sunday" Killings; Suspected Crash Mastermind is Abu Osama al-Masri; British PM Outlines Objectives for E.U. Reform; Apple to Start Selling iPad Pro Wednesday; Republican Candidates Prepare for Fourth Debate; Extra Belly Fat Is Unhealthier than Obesity. Aired 10-11a ET

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We begin with Russia and a new response to the report alleging widespread doping and corruption among its track and field athletes. The head of

Russian anti-doping agency acknowledged, in his words, "problems obviously existed" but he rejected some of the report's more damning claims.

The World Anti-Doping Agency has suspended accreditation for Moscow's drug testing lab. The report recommends banning Russia from international

athletics, which could jeopardize its participation in the Rio Olympics. CNN's Alex Thomas is following the developments from our London bureau and

he joins us now.

Alex, Russia has been defiant. A press conference was held a short time ago.

What are they saying?

ALEX THOMAS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, Lynda, sorry, I've got a few audio problems right here. But something you're asking me about that news

conference, a bit earlier, from the Russian anti-doping agency. There are a lot of acronyms, aren't there, involved in this story.

It is separate, too, the Moscow lab has lost its WADA accreditation, WADA, the World Anti-Doping Agency, and the Russian anti-doping agency is one of

all the national anti-doping agencies that work underneath that umbrella.

They were fairly dismissive of the findings of the commission's report. This was an independent commission set up after a German documentary last

December revealed or claimed how widespread doping was in Russian athletics.

And what's interesting is that many outside pundits have said -- well, it took journalists effectively to cast the spotlight on this problem. It

wasn't the World Anti-Doping Agency whose job it is to tackle this problem, to uncover it in the first place. The commission less by former WADA

president, as you said, its chief recommendation was to suspend Russia from international athletics competition.

It does jeopardize the participation of next year's Rio Olympics, although there is a small window of opportunity for Russia to reform its antidoping

structures and still manage for its athletes take to the starting line at Rio next year -- Lynda.

KINKADE: OK. Alex Thomas, thank you very much for bringing us up to date from London. We will talk to you very soon.

We are hearing from some athletes, especially those who lost to Russians. CNN's Christina Macfarlane spoke earlier with the British runner, Andrew

Steele. He was on a British relay team that lost out a bronze medal in Beijing to a Russian team.


ANDREW STEELE, BRITISH RUNNER: Obviously, I'm personally angry if this comes to light that I was perhaps cheated out of my own opportunity to, on

a personal level get an Olympic medal.

But I think it's the complicity of a large institutionalized almost semi- official doping cover-up, which is really irksome to me. Because when it's an individual's level, like an individual athlete might choose to cheat or

the greed, it's almost tangible in my head. But when it's this large scale, I find it really difficult.

CHRISTINA MACFARLANE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Russian athletes have come out very badly, of course, in this report. We know that other countries as

well are being looked at.

Do you think that Russia should be banned from competing in the Rio Olympic Games next area?

STEELE: I find that a very difficult proposition to -- I am very torn, let's say, because some individual athletes, a large number of them will be

clean and, therefore, be punished, not allowing the opportunity to compete at the Olympic Games , the biggest stage.

It's a very difficult proposition to get around. Because I feel a lot of the individual athletes in this are almost victims themselves of an

institutionalized doping regime, which either intimidated them into cheating themselves or they unknowingly were dopes.

And I think that's a real shame to punish individuals, if it's what's necessary as this grows and as more comes out, then perhaps so be it. And

that might be what this sport needs to recover.


KINKADE: You can hear much more about the Russian doping scandal on CNN "WORLD SPORT." That is in about 40 minutes from now.

Police in Northern Ireland have arrested a 66-year-old former British soldier in connection with the Bloody Sunday massacre.


KINKADE (voice-over): On January 30th, 1972, British troops opened fire on an unauthorized march in Derry; 13 unarmed Catholics were killed. A 14th

person died later.

The massacre intensified anti-British sentiments in Northern Ireland and sent many recruits to the Irish Republican Army. Decades of violence

followed. Bloody Sunday came under renewed scrutiny when police opened a new murder investigation in 2012.


KINKADE: For more on all of this, Phil Black joins me now from London.

Phil, Bloody Sunday, the shootings happened almost 50 years ago. And this is --


KINKADE: -- a huge development, the first arrest.

PHIL BLACK, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That's right, Lynda, a development that is being received gratefully, even surprisingly by the victims, the families

of those who were there that day, largely, because, as you have been touching on, all of this happened so long ago, January 1972.

It became one of the defining events of what's known as The Troubles, that long conflict in Northern Ireland between Republicans and those who to stay

with the United Kingdom.

It was a peace march. It was one where the soldiers opened fire that resulted in 13 people being shot dead that day; a 14th died later and now,

only now, for the first time, are police in Northern Ireland saying that they are formally questioning a soldier who was there that day, a man who

is now 66 years old.

And crucially, he has been arrested. He is being questioned while under arrest. This is not a case where this man is speaking to police while in a

voluntary sense as a witness -- Lynda.

KINKADE: Phil, it's been clear British paratroopers opened fire on those civil rights demonstrators at the time.

Why has it taken so long for one arrest?

BLACK: It has been a long, difficult, painful journey, a road to justice, if you like, for the families and the victims.

The government launched an inquiry immediately after the massacre, one that exonerated the soldiers and actually blamed the victims. It wasn't until

1998 when another inquiry was launched; this one went on to become the United Kingdom's longest and most expensive.

It went for 12 years, finally delivering its findings in 2010. Those findings were heavily critical of the soldiers' actions that day, said they

were unjustified, that the crowds, who were marching, were innocent those who were killed who were innocent. And the findings were so damning that

they led to the prime minister here apologizing on behalf of the country to those who suffered as a result of the soldiers' actions that day.

But ever since then, really, the key question has been whether or not any of those soldiers would face prosecution. And it's not a straightforward

scenario, largely because of the time, as we said, about 43 years ago, and the challenge for the prosecutors and the police in Northern Ireland is to

try and gather enough evidence that will hold up and establish a reasonable chance of conviction in court.

So now, yes, they have arrested this first man. He has been arrested. He has been questioned -- not yet charged. But the police are hinting that

there will be more progress to come. A statement today from the lead police officer says that this arrest marked a new phase in the overall

investigation, which would continue for some time -- Lynda.

KINKADE: OK. Hopefully, this does lead to justice for families of those victims. Phil Black in London. Thank you very much.

And we will have much more ahead on the INTERNATIONAL DESK. The latest on the investigation into the deadly crash of Metrojet 9268 in Egypt and who

may have been behind it.

Plus, some startling findings about your weight and your health. The study says it may not matter how much fat you have but rather where you carry it.

Stay with us.





KINKADE: Welcome back. We turn now into the investigation of downing Russia's Metrojet flight 9268 in Egypt's Sinai Peninsula and the people

that may have been behind it. CNN senior international correspondent Ben Wedeman joins us from Cairo.

Ben, an Egyptian cleric has been identified as the potential mastermind behind the attack.

What do we know about him?

BEN WEDEMAN, CNN SR. INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, the man we are referring to is somebody simply known as Abu Osama al-Masri. We don't know

his real name.

He was the man who, in an audio message posted on social media shortly after the downing of the Metrojet plane, claimed responsibility on behalf

of what's known as Wilayat Sinai. It's the Sinai Province. It's the ISIS affiliate in the northeastern part of the Sinai Peninsula.

In that audio message, in his name, they claimed responsibility of the downing of the jet. Beyond that not really much is known. His real name

is not known. Egyptian security officials have a variety of ideas about who he might be. It has been suggested in some media that he was a

graduate of al-Azhar University in Cairo. He is in his early 40s and he was a clothing merchant.

But beyond that, we understand by veteran Sinai watchers that, in fact, he's a more spiritual figurehead for the group, perhaps a spokesman, but

not necessarily a military leader or a mastermind.

Now what's interesting is how little Egyptian authorities and other intelligence agencies actually know about the leadership of Wilayat Sinai,

the Sinai province, this ISIS affiliate in that part of the Sinai Peninsula.

It's ironic because they are hemmed in between Egyptian intelligence on the one side and Israeli intelligence on the other. But so far, they have been

very skillful at hiding the leadership hierarchy of this group -- Lynda.

KINKADE: Ben, Egypt claims it's killed another key player in the region who is suspected of having links with ISIS.

What can you tell us about him?

WEDEMAN: This individual, his name is Ashraf Ali Al-Gharably. He was killed in a shootout in Cairo yesterday with the Egyptian police. Now he

is somebody who is normally an affiliate or linked to attacks in mainland Egypt, not necessarily in the Sinai itself.

He's been linked, for instance, to the assassination of a former Egyptian interior ministry and also to have thwarted an attack on the Karnak complex

in Luxor in Upper Egypt.

Beyond that, though, he doesn't seem to have any clear links with -- or operational links, at least, with the group in Sinai, which, of course,

many intelligence officials are suggesting may have been behind the downing of the Russian jetliner -- Lynda.

KINKADE: OK. Ben Wedeman in Cairo, thanks for bringing us up to date with those developments.

British prime minister David Cameron says reforming the European Union is not a mission impossible. Mr. Cameron's thought out his proposals in a

speech earlier, including tougher restrictions on migrants' access to welfare and safeguards the countries outside the Eurozone. The prime

minister called for an end to Britain's treaty obligation to work towards an even closer union.



DAVID CAMERON, PRIME MINISTER, GREAT BRITAIN: The commitment in the treaty to an ever closer union is not a commitment that should apply any longer to

Britain. We don't believe in it. We do not subscribe to it. We have a different vision for Europe.


KINKADE: Mr. Cameron sends a letter to Brussels, setting out his goals. The European Commission officials say some of the objectives are highly


In Myanmar's historic election, opposition leader Aung San Suu Kyi tells the BBC she expects the National League for Democracy Party to win about 75

percent of the seats in parliament. Her supporters have already started celebrating even though votes are still being counted.

After the parliamentary vote is decided, lawmakers will choose a president. Suu Kyi is barred by military drafted constitution because she has foreign

family members.

A wave of anti-corruption protests has gripped Romania in the wake of a fire that killed 32 people at a Bucharest night club. Protesters say poor

safety standards at the club were symptomatic of a larger corruption problem. They are demanding government reform and now.

Our Isha Sesay reports.


ISHA SESAY, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): In Romania, a week of outrage and mourning. The catalyst, a fire in a Bucharest night club, that let

dozens of concert-goers dead, scores more injured and thousands of Romanians demanding accountability for poor safety measures and an end to

government corruption, corruption they blame, at least politically, for the deadly blaze.

Officials said no permits were issued for a concert of that size or for the use of pyrotechnics used in the heavy metal show, which ignited decorative

foam. Romanian president Klaus Iohannis went a step further, calling the venue "completely unfit."

The Romanian government requested NATO's help as part of the organization's airlift program to transport victims to other countries for treatment.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think that the solidarity that we have seen from all the countries from Europe and outside Europe have been amazing. It was

really a solidarity.

SESAY (voice-over): In response to protesters' demands, Romania's prime minister Victor Ponta and other high-ranking government officials stepped

down, the night club fire, a tipping point of what many see is a much bigger problem.

Ponta was indicted on tax evasion and money laundering charges in July and became the first sitting prime minister to be tried with corruption in

September. He denied the charges and ignored calls for his resignation. But he says this situation is different.

VICTOR PONTA, ROMANIAN PRIME MINISTER (through translator): I am doing this because in all the years I have been in politics, I could carry any

political battles but I can't fight with the people. This will be a big mistake and everybody would suffer as a result.

SESAY (voice-over): Romania's president appointed education minister Sorin Cimpeanu as interim prime minister, the parliamentary elections more than

six months away. The night club tragedy appears to be a rallying cry for a frustrated people.

Is the country teetering on the edge of instability or much needed change? Isha Sesay, CNN, Los Angeles.


KINKADE: Still to come, it's bigger, clearer and sporting a new sound system. Apple's newest iPad goes on sale this week. We will have a

preview just ahead.





KINKADE: Welcome back.

A big change at SeaWorld San Diego amusement park in California. Its famous killer whale show will be phased out next year. A new aqua

experience will replace the shows which have been at the center of allegations of animal cruelty for years. SeaWorld found itself under new

scrutiny after the documentary "Black Fish" on CNN.

We spoke to the producers of that documentary for his take on this announcement.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: To me it's a seismic shift. It's the first time SeaWorld acknowledged public opinion, especially in California, is turning

away from circus style entertainment shows with killer whales. And that their business model has to evolve and try to head in a different


It remains to be seen, though, how far it will evolve and what that will mean for killer whales in captivity in the U.S., but public opinion

continues to turn against them. Ultimately, they need to stop breeding and they need to figure out a different way to have SeaWorld without killer

whales in captivity.

I don't think that's where they want to go. And I don't think that's where they're thinking of going right now. But I do think that what they

announced today is the first step potentially in that direction if public opinion keeps forcing them to change the model.


KINKADE: The killer whale shows will still continue at SeaWorld's other U.S. parks.

Get ready for the biggest online shopping day of the year, not only in China but also the world. Singles' Day is held on November the 11th

because the four 1's in the day represents four single people. The shopping extravaganza begins in a just few hours.

Online retail giant Alibaba hosted a massive gala to kick off the sixth annual event. Last year, 27,000 merchants participated. And the revenue

generated exceeded $9 billion. Quite incredible.

The new bigger-than-ever iPad is going on sale starting Wednesday. Apple is calling it epic and the CEO, Tim Cook, is quoted as saying, "With an

iPad Pro, there is no need for a PC anymore."

Our business correspondent, Samuel Burke, joins us now for more on all of this.

Samuel, fair to say Tim Cook is pretty excited about this new product.

SAMUEL BURKE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: So excited that I think it may be shading a little of the reality.

It is true that PC sales are plummeting for most companies. But what you see is that, while the middle has fallen out, actually, cheaper laptops and

more expensive computers are still doing quite well, in fact, take a look at Mac sales for Apple over the past year, Mac, is of course, their PC.

It's actually done quite well. If you look at this chart here, you will see, over the last year, sales have been increasing but the most important

number is that 5.7 million Macs sold in the fourth quarter this year, that's actually a record.

Now let's look at iPad sales, because while Tim Cook is on this tour promoting the new iPad, actually iPad sales are way down. Look at quarter

one, 21 million iPads coming down all to this past quarter, just 9.8 million iPads sold, very low for that company. So I think what Tim Cook is

wanting to do here is trying to get more people to buy into getting more iPads.

But at the end of the day, the phone screens are so large these days, especially with phones like the 6 Plus, that a lot of people are saying,

what's the need for an iPad if I have that --


BURKE: -- gigantic phone, as Steve Jobs once called it. It's like a Hummer, some of these phones.

So PC sales, not doing well for a lot of people. But still very strong for Apple.

KINKADE: And Samuel, are you sure those figures plummeting for iPads over this year, but they have been plummeting the last two years. So no doubt

they're hoping that this new product will reverse that trend.

BURKE: Well, you used the right word there, hoping. Absolutely that's what Tim Cook needs, that's what investors to see. But a lot of people are

skeptical about this iPad.

I want just to show you some of the stats on it. It comes out tomorrow. It's absolutely huge. That's why it's called the iPad Pro. They think a

lot of professionals will use it -- 12.9 inches diagonally. That's 32.7 centimeters, starts at $799.

I just bought an iPad for my mom for $299. And she wanted the smaller one. What's different about this one, it has the smart keyboard. That will cost

you, though, $169 bucks.

And that Apple pencil for $99. It looks cool. But at that price tag, I don't think I will be paying 99 bucks for any type of stylus. I don't know

about you, Lynda.

KINKADE: That is a very expensive pencil.

Samuel Burke, thanks so much for joining us. We appreciate it.

You're at the INTERNATIONAL DESK. Still ahead, they meet again. We'll preview tonight's U.S. Republican presidential debate. Find out if things

have changed since the last contest.





KINKADE: Welcome to the INTERNATIONAL DESK. I'm Lynda Kinkade and here are the headlines.


KINKADE (voice-over): The head of Russia's anti-doping agency says the company is working to address problems with doping. An independent

commission says Russia should be banned from international athletics. The World Anti-Doping Agency has suspended accreditation for Moscow's drug

testing lab.

Police in Northern Ireland have arrested a 66-year-old former British soldier in connection with the Bloody Sunday massacre. The 1972 killings

came under renewed scrutiny when police opened a new murder investigation in 2012. Fourteen people were killed when soldiers marched in an

unauthorized march in Derry.

British Prime Minister David Cameron says reforming the European Union is not a mission impossible. Mr. Cameron spelled out his proposal in a speech

earlier, includes tougher restrictions on migrants' access to welfare and safeguards for countries outside the Eurozone.

Republican U.S. presidential candidate Donald Trump isn't feeling very merry about Starbucks and menu holiday cups. He weighed in the controversy

over the design, saying maybe we should boycott Starbucks.

And he says -- and I quote -- "if I become president, we're all going to be saying Merry Christmas once again."

The coffee chain has removed symbols of the season from its holiday cups in favor of a simple two-toned red design.

Well, Trump's Republican rival, Jeb Bush, is making headlines for what he said to the "Huffington Post." The question was whether he'd go back in

time to kill Adolf Hitler as a baby. And it actually came from a poll in "The New York Times Magazine." Most respondents said they would if they

could. And so did Jeb Bush.


JEB BUSH, FORMER GOVERNOR OF FLORIDA: I said if you could go back in time and kill baby Hitler, would you? I need to know.

Hell, yes, I would.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Even if he was really cute?

BUSH: No, look. You got do -- you got to -- you got to step up, man.


KINKADE: All this as the Republican candidates prepare for another debate tonight.

Let get a preview from Sunlen Serfaty in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

Sunlen, three months remain really until the first votes are cast. Focus has largely been on two Republican candidates, Trump and Carson.

No doubt, they will be will be center stage tonight.

SUNLEN SERFATY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That's right, Lynda, they will be at center stage because they are the national front-runners right now. And

they're really a tier above any of the other candidates.

So it has been interesting to see in the past week how Donald Trump has gone after Ben Carson. Carson has spent the last week really defending

himself rather aggressively against the scrutiny and investigations into his past stories that he's told, as a child, recalling child violence


And Donald Trump really in the recent days, as late as last night, really been hammering down on Dr. Ben Carson about these inconsistencies as how he

sees them. So it will be interesting to see if that comes out tonight on the debate stage -- Lynda.

KINKADE: And Sunlen, of course, there are many complaints about the last debate, mostly from the candidates about how little focus there was on


What can we expect from the moderators tonight?

SERFATY: Well, the moderators, Lynda, have made it pretty clear they want to stay out of the debating. Let the debating be for those candidate

themselves. There are a few small changes in this debate that might make that possible.

The candidates now will have 66 seconds to respond if an attack is waged against them. That's double the amount of time they had at last debate.

So this potentially could have the candidates more talking to -- back and forth to each other, which is one of the main concerns that the candidates

had coming out of the last debate.

So it's certainly interesting to see if this really lets them delve more into policy or if the attacks get personal.

KINKADE: And Sunlen, Chris Christie and Jeb Bush believe more personal contact with voters in those key states is a far more important than the

debates we have been seeing, and they certainly have been covering a lot of ground on the campaign trail.

SERFATY: Well, that's right, for Jeb Bush specifically, he's just right off the trail of a Jeb Can Fix It tour. That's what it was entitled.

Debates definitely are not his specialty. He has admitted that. In the time since the last debate, it's been interesting, because Jeb Bush now has

a media trainer, somebody that will coach him to be more aggressive in these debates and really bring a lot more energy than he has in the last


There is a realization, I think on the part of the campaign, that he's got to step up and do a lot better here tonight. They certainly think him

being one-on-one with voters in those settings, in New Hampshire and Iowa, those sorts of places, really do shine a lot better for him as a candidate.

So it will be interesting to see if he can step out of himself --


SERFATY: -- tonight. He says his goal tonight is to just be himself -- Lynda.

KINKADE: We'll see how that works for him.

Sunlen Serfaty, thank you very much for joining us. Appreciate it.

Still ahead, if you think you are healthy, because you are fit and trim, think again, that little potbelly could be causing you big problems. We'll

look at how you can tell if you are at risk.




KINKADE: Welcome back.

Now to a surprising study that says if you are at normal weight but carry a bit of belly fat, are you more at risk of dying than other people who may

be far fatter. Let's talk about this with Dr. Xand van Tulleken. He joins us from New York.

Thanks very much for being with us. Everyone knows that obesity leads to a range of health problems, but this report basically says that if you got a

beer gut, that's the deadliest type of fat.

DR. XAND VAN TULLEKEN: That's exactly right. Unfortunately, if you were sitting there comfortably at a normal weight, thinking that your BMI was

ok, which is the normal way we think about whether or not you're obesity, you now no longer have good reason to relax.

So for women, an abdominal circumference measurement, so basically a waist measurement of more than 88 centimeters or 34 inches, puts you at a

significantly higher risk of cardiovascular disease; for men, it's 102 centimeters or 40 inches.

So what the study actually found was, even if you are thin but with a larger waist, that puts you at more than twice the risk of someone who's

fat without a larger waist.

KINKADE: Twice the risk I think of it's for men and about 30 percent more for women.

Obviously there are good and bad types of cholesterol. It's also true about fat. There is some fat that has some benefits.

VAN TULLEKEN: That's right. So if you think about people in terms of being apple shaped or pear shaped. Most of us can look around us and go,

yes, there are people with big bums and people with big tummies. And the people with big bums, that fat does seem to protect them. It's all right

to have a big bum.

But if you have got the kind of classic apple shaped belly, that kind of nice, smooth, right tight tummy that you see on lots of men, and we think

of it as a beer gut, what that's telling you is there is fat not only around your tummy but also packed around your organs and that fat seems to

be different. And thing that --


VAN TULLEKEN:-- that fat does is raise your cholesterol, raise your blood pressure and alter your risk of heart disease. It also makes you more

likely to have diabetes. So if that fat is not just sitting there like a gas tank, it's not just a storage fuel place for the body, it's actually an

active organ that is doing bad things to you.

KINKADE: This was a very comprehensive study over about 14 years.

Do you think most people will be surprised by those findings?

VAN TULLEKEN: It's a very impressive study, indeed. There are about 15,000 people in the study. As you said, they followed them up for a long

time. It's really -- I don't know about surprised. We have known for a long time that waist circumference and waist-to-hip ratios are important.

But I think this is the first study which has really told us that even if are you at a normal BMI and you are not considered obese when you get on

the scales, when you measure your waist circumference, that does tell you about your risk of heart disease.

This is something you can do at home. You can put a tape measurement around your waist or put a piece of string around your waist, means you're

less likely to kind of cheat or fiddle the numbers.

Put a string around your waist, roughly around where your belly button is. String it out, measure it. And I would see your doctor if you fall into

those higher numbers.

KINKADE: And just a quick last question, advice to people who want to shed that belly fat, get rid of that beer gut.

VAN TULLEKEN: Unfortunately, there is really only one significant way of doing this and that is to eat less. Different diets work for different

people. But we know that exercise is not a great way of losing weight on its own. In fact, exercise is quite a good appetite stimulant.

Exercise does all kind of good things for us. But if you want to shrink your waist, you got have to eat differently and eat less. My rules would

be eat less processed food and frankly avoid all processed food because it makes you want to eat more of it.

Eat lots of fresh fruits and vegetables, lots of protein and relatively small amounts of carbohydrates.

KINKADE: Some great advice there. Dr. Xand van Tulleken in New York, thank you so much for joining us. We appreciate it.

VAN TULLEKEN: Thank you.

KINKADE: Now I've got some news just into us at CNN. Europe has lost an iconic figure. Former West German chancellor Helmut Schmidt has died.

Schmidt held that office from 1974 to 1982 and helped lead Western Germany to become a political and economic power in Europe. Helmut Schmidt was 96

years old.

And that does it for us here at the INTERNATIONAL DESK. I'm Lynda Kinkade but don't go anywhere. "WORLD SPORT" with Christina Macfarlane is up next.