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Investigators Searching Apartment Building for Paris Terror Suspects; ISIS Claims It Has Killed Two More Hostages; Russia Fires Missiles at Targets in Syria; New Efforts to Stop Syruian Refugees from Entering the U.S. Aired 12-1a ET

Aired November 19, 2015 - 00:00   ET

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DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR, "CNN TONIGHT': Our live coverage of the terror attacks in Paris continues now with John Vause, and Isha Sesay.

ISHA SESAY, CNN HOST: Welcome to CNN'S continuing live coverage of the terror attacks in Paris. I'm Isha Sesay.

JOHN VAUSE, CNN HOST: And I'm John Vause. Investigators are slowly and carefully searching an apartment building in the Paris suburb of Saint-Denis where at least two suspected terrorists were killed.

They don't know yet whether the alleged ringleader of Friday Paris attacks Abdelhamid Abaaoud, the target of the raid, is among the dead.

SESAY: A woman who blew herself up inside the apartment has reportedly been identified as Abaaoud's cousin. Eight people were arrested at the cost of the raid. Authorities say they moved in just in time to keep the suspects from launching another attack.

VAUSE: Meanwhile, a newly released ISIS video warns of an impending attack on New York City. It shows what appears to be an explosive device.

Someone's zipping a jacket of what looks like a suicide belt. And moments ago New York Mayor Bill de Blasio said there is no current or specific threat at this time.

SESAY: Meanwhile, authorities in Honduras say passports seized from five Syrian nationals were stolen in Greece.

The men were detained after drop in (ph) from Syria to Honduras through five other countries.

Police have not confirmed it and say the men may be trying to reach the U.S. So far police have not linked them to terrorism.

VAUSE: And ISIS claims it has killed two more hostages, one from China, the other from Norway. Chinese president, Xi Jinping, condemned the killings and offered condolences to the victims' families.

Let's bring our senior international correspondent. Fred Pleitgen here is live this hour in Paris. Fred, good morning.

FRED PLEITGEN, SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes, good morning, John, here from the Place de la Republique. Here in Paris, people certainly are still very wary and after some of the things have transpired yesterday also still very much on the edge.

Police say it could take another 24 hours to remove all the remains from the raid site there in that northern suburb of Saint-Denis, and it certainly isn't easy.

The building isn't structurally safe. That's because some of the ordnance that the office has used yesterday was so heavy that a floor of the building almost completely imploded.

And until late last night, I was still on site, they were actually still exploding unexploded ordnance in controlled detonations there on site.

Now, as this unfolded, our own Atika Shubert found herself in the middle of that dangerous operation. She tells us what she saw.

ATIKA SHUBERT, CNN CORRESPODENT: Reports of gunfire and explosions emerged on social media early Wednesday morning in the northern suburb of Saint-Denis in Paris where suspects linked to Friday's deadly terrorist attack were believed to be holed up.

One witness described the scene from his apartment nearby.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE WITNESS: I can still hear the gunfire. I sure do.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When did this start and for how long has it been going on?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE WITNESS: From 4:30, because I was sleeping and then my wife woke me up to ask me if I'm hearing something. I say no, but she is absolute they (inaudible) gunfire then I wake up, still now I can't sleep.

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SHUBERT: Police blocked off roads and told residents to stay inside their homes in Saint-Denis.

The area, home to the Stade de France sports stadium where three suicide bombings took place on Friday. We were down at the scene where the police operation was under way.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We're just moved -- being moved back, and I'm sorry that I cut you off.

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SHUBERT: Moments later, investigative police officers began circulating the area where we were standing.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And an explosion has just gone off. This is still very much an ongoing operation. That was quite a large explosion in that direction. A second one now. Just hold on. No gunfire that we can tell so far. A third explosion.

SHUBERT: The raid lasted approximately six hours, ending at around 10:30, local time. Two terrorist suspects have been declared dead. One of them a woman who blew herself up with a suicide belt.

Eight others were arrested including three men who were escorted out of the apartment by police. One witness described the scene inside the building to CNN affiliate, France 2.

SABRINE (through interpreter): It felt like the ceiling of the restroom was cracking. I tried to protect myself between the doors of the restroom and the bedroom. I stayed like that with my baby.

Really, we cold see the bullet. The light of the laser pointing our way, really it was explosions. We could feel the building really shaking.

I could hear the guys upstairs running and they were screaming at each other.

[0:00:05] SHUBERT: By noon, residents were allowed back in, but police continued to seal of the street where the suspects lived as forensics team comb the aftermath. It has been a terrifying ordeal for the residents of Saint-Denis, one they could only hope is finally over. Atika Shubert, CNN, Paris.

PLEITGEN: It certainly was a very tense day and a lot of police were involved in it. There was a massive presence of police special forces as well as firefighters, emergency medical personnel.

Just a very, very large operation that went on for a large part of the day. And we want to show you some amateur video that captures some of the gun battle that went on in the raid. Take a listen.

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PLEITGEN: And needless to say, John and Isha, people, after witnessing that, were quite shaken when we spoke to them after the police raid had ended.

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SESAY: Understandably so.

VAUSE: And now, Fred, do we know if the alleged ringleader in all of this, Abaaoud, was in fact killed during this raid? They did this DNA test (ph). They seem to be taking quite a long time to get the results from those DNA tests. PLEITGEN: Yes, actually those results are still not there. It's still an ongoing forensic investigation that's going on as well. There were forensic people working until the middle of the night.

There was a press conference last night by the Paris Prosecutor and he said that at this point in time, it cannot be confirmed whether Abdelhamid Abaaoud was in fact one of those who was killed.

There is some conflicting information but at this point in time, it isn't clear whether or not he actually was at that apartment. But it certainly can be said with certainty that the raid was one that did seek to target him. John?

VAUSE: OK, Fred. Thank you. Fred Pleitgen, we'll be hearing back from you throughout the morning, live there from Paris. Thank you, Fred.

SESAY: Thanks Fred.

Well, let's go now for Senior International Correspondent, Ivan Watson, who joins us now live from Brussels.

Ivan, the site of (ph) two of the suspects of this Paris terror attack's ongoing. What can you tell us about Belgium authority's efforts?

IVAN WATSON, SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, again, that search does continue with the investigators very much waiting for the results of the DNA testing on the people who were in that flat in Saint-Denis to kind of figure out who exactly was there.

The fact that a cousin of Abdelhamid Abaaoud was believed to have been the suicide bomber, a woman, well, we heard from the Belgian investigators that they believe that he had a female cousin.

And it also just goes to show that there are not only some family links, but also nearly childhood links involved in this deadly conspiracy.

We're in the neighborhood of Molenbeek. At least three of the suspects involved in the Paris attacks last Friday night, their families lived here.

They grew up literally just five minutes' walk away from each other and in fact, we've learned from the Belgian investigators that the suspected ringleader of the attacks, Abdelhamid Abaaoud, actually was partners in crime with Salah Abdeslam. The fugitive right now who seems to have escaped the Paris attacks and there's an international manhunt looking for them.

The two men, in 2011, were convicted together, the Belgian Federal Prosecutor says, for the same theft. And both spent about a month in prison, that's 2011.

And then four years later, these partners in crime accused of the deadliest terror attacks that France has seen, really since World War II. The fact that these close links, both geographical from where these people grew up, a family link, a cousin of Abaaoud in that apartment that was raided by the police, it gives you a sense of how this is very much a homegrown conspiracy. Isha?

SESAY: Ivan Watson, there in Belgium with the very latest. We appreciate that, Ivan. Thanks so much.

VAUSE: And ISIS has gone public who proclaims it is a homemade bomb that took down a Russian passenger jet last month. The group's online magazine has a photo showing a soda can and two components that appear to be a detonator and a switch.

ISIS claims that a downed Metrojet Flight 9268 over the Sinai Peninsula killing all 224 people on board. CNN, though, has not confirmed those claims.

[0:00:10] SESAY: And back to the ISIS threat against New York. Law enforcement officials tell CNN the group's video is old footage and nothing more than propaganda. The (inaudible) Mayor, short time ago says New Yorkers will not live in fear.

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BILL DE BLASIO, NEW YORK CITY MAYOR: The people of New York City will not be intimidated. We understand it is the goal of terrorists to intimidate and disrupt our democratic society. We will not submit to their wishes.

It's important to note that there is no credible and specific threat against New York City. NYPD has been working very, very close with the FBI and our other federal partners. I again repeat, there is no specific and credible threat against New York City.

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VAUSE: Steve Moore is a retired Special Agent for the FBI. He joins us now here in Los Angeles.

Steve, let's go back to that soda can bomb which ISIS put out on its web site. Does that look like a kind of a bomb which could bring down a plane to you? One thing which I was looking for was the timer. I couldn't really see one.

STEVE MOORE, RETIRED SPECIAL AGENT FOR THE FBI: Well, you don't need a timer if you've got an actuator if you got a button, it goes off. Even if that can was representative of the actual bomb, the improvised explosive device, that might not have been the same trigger.

What the investigators are going to do is they're going to go through the debris and they're going to find -- they're going to be able to rebuild the actual bomb and the triggers right down to the brand of the battery.

SESAY: They actually may be able to do that considering the size, the apparent size of that thing. It looks so small. You say they'll find traces of it ...

MOORE: Yes, they will.

SESAY: ... amongst the debris?

MOORE: Yes. And that is -- that is what they're trained to do because it will be -- it will be contained predominantly within the structure of the aircraft.

Sadly, it will be within the bodies of the people nearest the bomb. Or if it was in the luggage, it will be within the shards of the luggage.

VAUSE: It looks pretty simple. Is that the kind of bomb, clearly if it's true, it got through the security at Sharm el-Sheikh in Egypt, could it get through airport security in, I guess, a European airport or an American airport?

MOORE: I don't know whether the can of the explosive would get through. It depends -- first of all, it depends on the explosive.

If you're talking Semtex or something like that, it'll ring the bells because it's got nitrogen in it. If you're talking about TATP, which is what was used in the Paris attacks, that doesn't have nitrogen. So it might not ring a chemical thing.

But it should be some kind of alarm when there's a solid substance in a liquid can. The thing that should really have gotten it, though, is that detonator. The detonator and the switch are very specific. They show up very well on x-rays and that should have been picked up.

SESAY: Investigators in Egypt and the Sinai Peninsula looking for traces on the ground. Farther afield stay here in the United States, what will counter-terrorism officials be doing with this image?

MOORE: First of all, they're going to be verifying whether this was actually the bomb or the IED that was used, or whether it was just a misstatement so that we will do the wrong type of security.

Or they may just want to make it almost impossible for us to fly.

VAUSE: Very quickly this is a big day from propaganda for ISIS who've had the images of the bomb or goes ahead just you -- that you put out the threats to New York City. What does ISIS have to gain by making these threats against Washington, D.C. And New York?

MOORE: It's free terrorism. It doesn't cost them anything. It costs them the time to make the video because now they've shown they're serious about something and you can get two planes to land yesterday. You can get the mayor of New York having to comment. You can get us commenting on the media. This is all free for them.

This is all -- this is all just free public ...

VAUSE: Catching in on what they've done in Paris and taking it one step further.

MOORE: Absolutely.

VAUSE: Steve, thank you very much. People, hold on. Retired special agent with the FBI. Thanks again for being with us.

SESAY: And you'll be with us next hour?

MOORE: I will.

SESAY: OK. Thank you.

VAUSE: Thank you.

A short break here. When we come back, a CNN exclusive you will hear from a young couple who survived a possible massacre. How they pretended to be dead. What they saw, what they heard.

SESAY: The U.S. has admitted just under 2,200 refugees since civil war broke out in Syria more than four years ago. Coming up, you'll meet one of them and hear her emotional story.

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VAUSE: Welcome back everybody to our continuing coverage of the Paris terror attack and the investigation.

Friday's deadliest attack was at the Bataclan Concert Hall. The night (inaudible) fans of a rock band enjoying a performance.

Then it turned into a massacre. Eighty-nine people were killed.

SESAY: And outside that concert hall, officials say they found a cell phone from an attacker. A text message stated the attack was about to begin. Officials are now trying to determine to whom that message was sent.

And CNN's talk to a young couple who lost track of each other during the concert hall attack.

VAUSE: In this exclusive interview, they told Anderson Cooper what happened inside and how they were able to survive.

ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: When did you realize something was happening?

ISABEL BOWDERY, BATACLAN SURVIVOR: We heard sounds and we thought they were fireworks.

COOPER: You thought it was part of the concert?

BOWDERY: Part of the concert, and quickly we realized it was something serious.

COOPER: Did you know where it was shots?

BOWDERY: It was quickly -- I quickly realized it was shots. You could smell the gunpowder, you could hear the terror, people screaming. You know it was -- it was gunfire.

COOPER: Was it constant? BOWDERY: Constant. Nonstop.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE, BATACLAN SURVIVOR (through translation): There were obviously several masked people. I could see, and there was always one who was firing after another. One would reload, and the other would keep firing, without stop for 10 minutes, for 10 minutes.

[0:00:20] COOPER: Did you see them?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE, BATACLAN SURVIVOR (through translation): I was different. I did not stay in the middle of the theater, with the rest of the public. I was in front when they started to shoot.

I was wounded along with everyone else, I thought like everyone that it was fireworks. And after this I saw the silhouette of an armed man who was firing, but that was all I saw.

I saw from far away. I noticed because people were running towards me, when I started running toward the barrier, people did not realize this, they were telling me "pay attention to where you are stepping", to pay attention to them, they did not realize what was happening ...

COOPER: Did you hear them talking to each other? Did you hear them say anything?

BOWDERY: I heard sounds but I just don't know if they were in French, but I didn't understand what they were saying. They were very calm.

COOPER: They were calm?

BOWDERY: They were calm.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE, BATACLAN SURVIVOR (through translation): The first hostages who got out, they were saying that the [hostage takers] were saying that it was because of the French bombings in Syria, because of what your President did that we are here to kill you.

COOPER: I mean, everybody tried to imagine what they would do in a situation like this when -- were you thinking different things in your mind? What to do? What was going through your mind?

BOWDERY: Complete shock. I think that's the first thing. I couldn't believe this was happening.

COOPER: It didn't seem real?

BOWDERY: It did not. It felt like a nightmare. Felt like the worst horror film. I just -- I remember the stories and you just -- you don't move. You pretend that you've already been shot. You pretend you're dead, and that's what I did (inaudible).

COOPER: Did you worry they would see you breathing?

BOWDERY: Yes. I was worried. The fact that I didn't cry is shocking given how scared I was that it was important not to -- not to move, not to clench (ph), not to do anything that would alert them to the fact that I'm still alive.

And as much as the terror and the anguish was in that room, there was a lot of love, there was a lot of positivity in such a tragic, tragic place.

You just felt that everyone was there. They were innocent lives. They were there for the exact same reasons. We were at a concert. Minutes before their attack, everyone was dancing, everyone was smiling. People were happy.

And then when the gunmen came in, it all changed. But the people didn't. You follow their families, call it their friends, that's what you do when you're so close to death.

That's all you want to be. You want to be with your family. You want to be with your friends. You want to tell them you love them. You -- sorry -- you don't want them to think of the pain you're going through. You don't.

Teaching this faith is saying, and if there there's anything I did was I said out loud, I love you. I didn't say their names, I just touched their face and I said I love you. I whispered.

COOPER: You actually whispered that out loud?

BOWDERY: It was important -- it was important that if I was going to die, if they (inaudible) it from me, then I left saying I love you. I said it to every single person I have loved. And in that way it felt -- it felt OK to die because I had love in my heart. And I reflected on a great life.

COOPER: You wanted to die with love in your heart?

BOWDERY: Yes. I didn't -- I don't want them to have that horrible actions to tell them that ended my life. I didn't want them to win. I wanted that pure (ph) love to win, to know that they -- they blessed with incredible life.

[0:00:25] VAUSE: It's just unbelievable to think what they've gone through and the reaction most that was happening and their reaction now.

SESAY: Yes. So poetic, you know, in a way in which she said. She wanted love in her heart if this was, indeed, her final moment.

And we are going to share part two of that very, very emotional interview in the next hour. The woman said someone stopped her from running away. And you'll hear why they say they are fighting terror with love.

VAUSE: In the meantime, we will take a short break. When we come back, we'll have more details on that deadly raid in that northern Paris suburb. We'll hear from the witnesses who, at first, thought it was another deadly terrorist attack.

SESAY: The Saint-Denis district French police raided Wednesday morning has a troubling history of strife. Hala Gorani will take us inside. We'll let the bad side (inaudible) but also dangerous neighborhood. Do stay with us.

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VAUSE: Welcome back, everybody. Coming up here to 9:30 on the west coast. French police say there are two people killed and eight detained during a violent predawn raid were part of a new team of terrorists.

SESAY: The raid in the Paris suburb of Saint-Denis triggered an hours- long fire fight of guns and heavy ammunitions. Police shot one man and a female suicide bomber blew herself up.

VAUSE: Police launched the raid being the ringleader of the Paris attacks may be there and right now they're conducting DNA tests to try and find out for certain.

SESAY: Meantime, ISIS is threatening to attack New York City in a new video. It shows scenes from the city and the person putting on a purported bomb belt.

The New York police says there's no current threat and that New York City will not be intimidated.

[0:00:30] VAUSE: Live back now down to Paris, senior international correspondent, Fred Pleitgen, is with us once again. Fred, with new details of that police raid which our viewers are watching this time yesterday. They saw unfold, live, on our air.

PLEITGEN: Yes, there certainly are. We got some details late last night from the Paris prosecutor's office. And one of the things they said is that when the police officers moved in there, the resistance that they met was so fierce that they had to use some very heavy ordnance to blast their way into those two apartments where those terrorists were hold up.

Now, the actual operation to get into those apartments lasted about an hour. However, the entire siege was much longer. It involved a gigantic police force that was on the ground. And, of course, many of the residents of that area were absolutely terrified as all of this was going on.

And some of those witnesses are now talking to CNN about what they saw during the raid in Saint-Denis. Listen to two people tell Anderson Cooper about their terrifying experience.

STEFFY, RAID WITNESS: Actually, we were not realizing that it was the assault. Actually I was thinking it was a terrorist attack.

COOPER: You thought it was actually an attack by terrorists?

AXEL, RAID WITNESS: I thought terrorists were going in the house to kill people. And I was really -- I was shaking. I took 30 minutes to understand that it was an assault from policemen.

COOPER: You finally were able to actually see the police?

AXEL: Yes.

STEFFY: Yes. We called them.

COOPER: You called them?

STEFFY: Yes. We called the police and she didn't know what was happening on the phone. So I took the phone to make her hear the shotguns. And she was like OK, OK, I hear them.

She took some information then she came back to us and saying stay inside, don't move, close the window and everything.

PLEITGEN: This goes to show how confused and concerned people were while that raid was going on. That was our own Anderson Cooper reporting there in Saint-Denis where Wednesday's raids took place is also home to the Stade de France, the stadium where the suicide bombers struck last Friday.

Paris suburb is diverse but it also has a troubling history of strife. Hala Gorani introduces us to Saint-Denis.

HALA GORANI, CNN CORRESPONDENT: This was the time residents of Saint- Denis found themselves waking up to on Wednesday. Gunfire and explosions ringing out before dawn as police carried out raids searching for suspects behind Friday's terrorist attacks.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE RAID WITNESS (through interpreter): I was working up by a definite noise, gunshots. It woke me up. I jumped out of bed. I opened the window. I stuck my head outside. I wanted to watch. The police told me, "close the window, sir. Close it now."

GORANI: But for the neighborhood, this has become an increasingly familiar scene. Stade de France was the first target of Friday's attack that left 129 victims dead.

Just under six miles from Paris, Saint-Denis is the main town of the multi-ethnic Saint-Denis department. Centered around the Basilica de Saint-Denis, the burial place for many French kings, this is now an area with a high proportion of immigrants.

Twenty-eight percent of the population in 2012 were immigrants, according to the French National Institute for Statistics. The overall unemployment is higher than 13 percent and it has a relatively high crime rate.

It was in 2005 that riots broke out here in Saint-Denis in Clichy- sous-Bois with violence spreading quickly to the rest of the department. The unrest lasted four weeks as French youth were protesting against their living and economic conditions and against discrimination.

A decade later, violence strikes again in a different and more horrific form, and the wounds for this suburb have reopened. PLEITGEN: And at this hour, of course the forensic work at those two apartments where these raids took place is still going on. Of course, two terrorists were killed in that operation, some eight were taken into custody, some of them wounded.

And the police and intelligence forces here do hope to get some valuable information from the people that they've managed to arrest, John and Isha.

VAUSE: Fred, just very quickly. If we look at one of the issues here, they're saying that this was, in fact, a new group of terrorists, that there was the possibility of another terrorist plot which is in the work. What more detail do we know about that at this point?

[0:00:35] PLEITGEN: Well, I mean, they say they believe that another plot was probably imminent. One of the ways that they managed to get on to this second cell, if you will, is because they found a ... cell phone in a garbage can near the site of one of the attacks that happened on Friday here in Paris.

And they said that that led to clues, leading them to believe that an attack was imminent but also to where this apartment was. The apartments were under surveillance for about 24 hours before the police started their raid.

So clearly, they were very concerned that the terrorists inside those apartments might be waiting to strike very, very quickly. And there certainly are some relations between these cells and appears as though one of the reasons why they struck those cells is because they believe that there was a relative of the ringleader of Abdelhamid Abaaoud inside that apartment.

And so there does seem to be links between these two operations that went on Friday and then the one that went on yesterday, John.

SESAY: Fred Pleitgen, joining us here from Paris with the very latest. This is still a fast-moving story of many, many developments.

VAUSE: Of course, there's still at least one fugitive at large. We don't know where he is. That hunt continues -- that manhunt remains in force.

SESAY: Yes. Fred, thank you for that. In another show of force, Russia says it unleashed moments of the (ph) terror targets in Syria. That story coming up on CNN Newsroom, live from Los Angeles.

VAUSE: Also Syria's president says his country is not responsible for creating ISIS. He'll tell you who he thinks is to blame, when we come back.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is CNN.

SESAY: Welcome back, everyone. Syrian President Bashar al-Assad says his country is not the breeding ground for ISIS. His comments came during an interview with Italian media on Wednesday.

VAUSE: Assad says the west should be blamed for the creation of the terror group. Here's more from that interview with Assad.

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BASHAR AL-ASSAD, SYRIAN PRESIDENT: According to what some, and (inaudible) I should say it including Hillary Clinton, al-Qaeda was created by the Americans with the help of facility and with heavy money and ideology (ph), and of course many other offshoots are the same in the United States, and ISIS and the other followers (ph), they are offshoot of al-Qaeda.

Regarding ISIS, it started in Iraq. It was established in Iraq in 2006. And the leader was (inaudible) had been killed by the American Forces then.

So it was established under the American supervision in Iraq. And the leader of ISIS today, which is called Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, he was in the American prison and he was put in New York in their prison and he was released by them. It wasn't in Syria. It didn't start in Syria.

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VAUSE: And while Assad blames the west for creating ISIS, Russia has its sights on Syria. And another show of force, Russia's military claims it used air strikes to destroy tanker trucks in Syria, 500 of them in all. Russia says these trucks were being used by the terrorist group to transport oil.

SESAY: It's not clear where or when these air strikes occurred, but this news comes just a day after Russia bombed an ISIS site in Syria including the terror organization self-proclaimed capital city of Raqqah.

Now, as we've been reporting, an international manhunt is underway for Salah Abdeslam who's believed to be involved in the Paris terror attacks. His brother, Ibrahim, was reportedly one of the suicide bombers.

VAUSE: And then CNN's Kyung Lah report, this is not the first time we've seen family members commit terror acts together.

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KYUNG LAH, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: In the Saint-Denis raid, the woman who blew herself up as police approached believed to be the cousin of Abdelhamid Abaaoud, the ringleader in the Paris attacks.

Family tied in terror. Also seen with the Abdeslam brothers. French newspaper, "Le Monde" reporting Rahim Abdeslam rented this car then detonated a suicide bomb outside this cafe in eastern Paris during Friday's attacks. As he died, his brother, Salah Abdeslam, fled.

Now Europe's most wanted man. They share a family name, a life history and radical beliefs, a lot. MOORE: A lot of our cases revolved around family members working together.