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Remembering Fallen Officer Garrett Swasey; Planned Parenthood Talks About Colorado Springs Shooting; Ben Carson Visits Refugee Camp In Jordan; Widespread Protests In Paris Ahead Of Climate Meeting; Inside Homeboy Industries Which Provides Jobs For Out-Of-Prison Gang Members; New Documentary Focuses On Teen's Murder. Aired 12-1p ET
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POPPY HARLOW, CNN ANCHOR, NEWSROOM: Good evening. Six o'clock Eastern this Sunday night. Thank you so much for being with us. I'm Poppy Harlow in New York. First, we, on this show, are committed to honoring and shining a light on the best of this nation even at the worst of times. There are a number of new developments we will tell you about this hour coming out that shooting in Colorado Springs.
But before that, I want to make sure you all know about an incredible man, officer Garrett Swasey. He's a fallen hero, a 44-year-old who was a church elder, a devoted husband, a father of two children and a former figure skating champion.
He was nowhere near the clinic when that gunfire broke out on Friday afternoon. He was 10 miles away at his campus post with the University of Chicago. He could have stay there. Instead, he rushed to the clinic to help fellow officers who were dodging bullets. That is where he was killed.
Now, we're hearing from his widow, Rachel, for the first time. She writes, "our loss cannot be expressed in words." While the nation now knows Garrett as a hero who gave his life for others, he was also a devoted husband of 17 years and a wonderful father. We will cherish his memory, especially those times that he spent tossing the football with his son and snuggling with his daughter on the couch."
If you would like to help his widow, his family, his children, you can donate to their memorial fund at youcaring.com. I've also put that link on my Facebook page.
Swasey was childhood friends with US figure skating icon Nancy Kerrigan. The two shared a very close bond on and off the ice.
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NANCY KERRIGAN, FORMER US FIGURE SKATING CHAMPION: He was two years younger than me, but became literally one of my very best friends and like a little brother. Did a lot of teasing back and forth. Very loyal and loving, caring person, good listener.
He was sort of passionate about everything. Everything was done with a great big, giant smile and he had fun in life. So sad! He's got two young kids that they literally run to him every time he comes in the door.
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HARLOW: We have also learned that two of the civilians - the two other people who were killed in that shooting were civilians. CNN can now identify one of those civilian as Ke'Arre Stewart.
At least nine other people were shot and injured, including five police officers, four civilians. The latest update we have for you is that four of the injured have been released from the hospital, five patients are still being treated. We are told that they are in good condition, expected to recover.
The man accused of opening fire in a Colorado Springs clinic is due in court tomorrow. Fifty-seven-year-old who opened fire, well, he surrendered on Friday night after a nearly six-hour standoff with police.
I want to bring in CNN's Dan Simon. He's live for us in Colorado Springs. When you look at this, now there's a lot of scrutiny, of course, Dan, as to what he may have said to investigators after he surrendered. What do we know?
DAN SIMON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Poppy, we know from a law enforcement source that just after surrendering, the suspect in this case, 57-year-old Robert Dear made a reference to "baby parts," further fueling this notion that his anti-abortion views may have motivated the shooting, but authorities say at this point it's just too early to tell. They're not ready to establish a motive.
As for the suspect's background, a portrait is emerging that he was a loner. He certainly lived in isolation. That's why some people have compared him to Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber. We can tell you that he lived about an hour-and-a-half away from here in a small town called Hartsel. He lived in a trailer. And before that, he lived in a cabin in North Carolina.
And as for the suspect's criminal history, there really isn't much, Poppy. Nothing you can really point to. He certainly didn't have a violent past. There was a situation in 1997, for instance, where his wife at the time, she accused him of domestic assault, but no charges were filed.
And because there is no sort of violent past to sort of link him to, that's why the mayor in this case says, in situations like this, it's really hard to sort of keep an eye on people like the suspect. Here's what he told me earlier today.
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MAYOR JOHN SUTHERS, COLORADO SPRINGS, COLORADO: We've had examples of this in the past this. This guy is kind of shaping up to be like a Ted Kaczynski type character. Perhaps not quite the loner, but it's very difficult for law enforcement to deal with individuals like this who don't commit serious crimes and get themselves in the radar that way unless a threat is posed beforehand that they can respond to. (END VIDEO CLIP)
SIMON: Well, as authorities work to come up with a motive, we know that the alleged shooter essentially just gave up after nearly six hours.
There was this armored police vehicle, which is called a bearcat, just rammed in and that's ultimately what allowed people inside the building to escape, but it's also apparently what made the suspect feel like he was cornered. He simply just dropped his weapon and then surrendered. We know that he'll have his first court appearance tomorrow afternoon. Poppy?
HARLOW: So many people just praying for their lives for hours and hours until that, as you say, bearcat rammed in. Dan Simon live for us in Colorado Springs. Thank you very much.
A short time ago, I spoke with Dawn Laguens. She is executive vice president of the Planned Parenthood Federation of America. I want you to hear part of our conversation.
HARLOW: Let me read part of a statement for our viewers that you just released this afternoon. There have been a number of different statements from different branches of Planned Parenthood, but this is from you directly nationally. Here's part of it.
You wrote, "It is offensive and outrageous that some politicians are now claiming this tragedy has nothing to do with the toxic environment they helped to create." Can you name what politicians on you're talking about.
DAWN LAGUENS, EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT, PLANNED PARENTHOOD: Well, I think we've heard quite a bit from the Republican candidates for president, who have been criticizing Planned Parenthood often not with the facts that have been out there and they've been discredited for those kinds of attacks.
And you have someone like Sen. Cruz, who today denounced the violence, but within the same week accepted the endorsement of antiabortion extremists, who'd spent time in prison for violent acts.
HARLOW: I do want to be very careful here because it's important, when you look at this, you can't generalize all the candidates in either party either way on this. We had Ben Carson coming out on CBS Face the Nation this morning and saying, I think the rhetoric needs to be toned down on both sides.
I do want to play for you what GOP presidential candidate Mike Huckabee said today.
MIKE HUCKABEE, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: What he did is domestic terrorism and what he did is absolutely abominable, especially to those of us in the pro-life movement because there's nothing about any of us that would condone or, in any way, look the other way at something like this.
There's no legitimizing. There's no rationalizing. It was mass murder.
HARLOW: Do you agree with him? He called it domestic terrorism.
LAGUENS: Well, I think that whether or not we call it terrorism, we can definitely call it terrorizing. And that's what often happens to women who are seeking medical care, reproductive healthcare.
HARLOW: I do want you to listen to because you brought up some of the GOP candidates. I'd like you to listen to Carly Fiorina said this morning on Fox News Sunday.
CARLY FIORINA, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: What I would say to anyone who tries to link this terrible tragedy to anyone who opposes abortion or opposes the sale of body parts is this is typical left- wing tactics.
HARLOW: Dawn, your response to that?
LAGUENS: I thought it was pretty amazing that she tried to in the midst of this moment bring in things that she's been thoroughly discredited around in terms of charges against Planned Parenthood.
And, of course, the gunman is now quoted as having said almost exactly something similar to what Carly Fiorina just said. I don't know anybody who supports women's health or safe legal abortion who goes and protests to prevent other people from getting healthcare that they want.
HARLOW: You can see our full interview there with the executive vice president of Planned Parenthood on CNN.com.
Ahead this hour, three years after his death, a new documentary on the life of Jordan Davis premiering on HBO. His mother will join me live to talk about why her mission is far from over.
Also, Ben Carson spending time at a refugee camp in Jordan. What this trip could mean for him back here in the United States and his foreign policy chops? Is it resonating with voters? And later -
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HARLOW: You call it boundless compassion. What is that?
FATHER GREG BOYLE, FOUNDER, HOMEBOY INDUSTRIES: Well, it's a way of kind of making room for all these folks, no matter what, to kind of know that everybody is a whole lot more than those things they've ever done.
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HARLOW: We will introduce you to Father Greg Boyle, a beacon of hope for the most desperate in Los Angeles. This is a story you will not want to miss. You're live in the CNN NEWSROOM. Stay with me.
HARLOW: Fresh off his trip to the Middle East, Republican Presidential Candidate Ben Carson doubling down on his belief that Syrian refugees should not be allowed to resettle in the United States. He spent the weekend touring a refugee camp in Jordan.
One of them, Zaatari, the fourth largest city now in Jordan, that is how many Syrian refugees are housed there. A lot of this in an effort to shore up, many would say, his foreign policy credentials and scrutiny he's had a lot of scrutiny on since the Paris attacks. His Iowa poll numbers have dropped.
Today, on CNN "State of the Union", he talks about his trips suggesting that Syrian refugees don't really want to come here to the United States and that refugee camps could serve as a long-term solution.
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BEN CARSON, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Their desire - their true desire is to be resettled in Syria. But they are satisfied to be in the refugee camps if the refugee camps are adequately funded.
Recognize that in these camps, they have schools, they have recreational facilities that are really quite nice and they're putting in all kinds of things that make life more tolerable.
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HARLOW: He did go on to say that it's not an ideal solution, but he did say more money should go into those camps rather than resettling more Syrian refugees in this country.
Joining me now, CNN political commentator, contributing editor for "The Atlantic" and the "National Journal" Peter Beinart.
Let's talk about that Quinnipiac poll because it shows him falling 10 points in Iowa, a critical early voting state, and he admitted to "The New York Times" that he thinks this is in part because voters don't see him as the right person for the Oval Office at a time of terrorism around the globe.
Does this trip move the needle for him on that?
PETER BEINART, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: No, I don't think so. I think that Carson even after coming back still doesn't sound like someone who is very well versed on foreign policy.
His support was coming largely from evangelical Christians, many of them who seem to have moved to Ted Cruz, who I think can speak more fluently about issues than he can.
And I think Carson's support was driven a lot by his character. And I think when questions began coming up a few weeks ago about things he'd said in his biography that weren't true, I think that was really his Achilles' heel.
HARLOW: All right. I want to turn to the other major topic, obviously, right now and that is the shooting in Colorado Springs on Friday. The vice president of Planned Parenthood coming out today with a long statement. I want to read part of it.
Partly it says, "it is offensive and outrageous that some politicians are now claiming this tragedy has nothing to do with the toxic environment they helped to create." She is speaking about the rhetoric out there surrounding Planned Parenthood before this shooting and in the wake of it.
Now, here's how Republican presidential candidate Carly Fiorina said it on "Fox News Sunday".
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FIORINA: What I would say to anyone who tries to link this terrible tragedy to anyone who opposes abortion or opposes the sale of body parts is this is typical left-wing tactics.
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HARLOW: So, it's already political hours after the shooting on both sides. How big of a deal is this for voters in terms of Planned Parenthood because at one point we were facing defunding the government.
BEINART: Right. I think Planned Parenthood is the kind of issue on which not many voters minds are going to be changed. The lines on the sand have been drawn on abortion in general for many decades.
HARLOW: But is what they vote on?
BEINART: Well, I think you've got primaries now, right, where the Democrat Party has become an overwhelmingly pro-choice party, the Republican Party overwhelmingly antiabortion party.
So, inside the primaries, there's no - you want to basically be as hard line on his position as possible. I think what gets interesting is what happens in the general election, which candidate comes off as more extreme, which candidate comes off as more modern.
I think by pushing this question about the idea that Planned Parenthood was selling body parts. The Republicans were trying to suggest that the Democratic Party was extreme to even be associated with them.
Now, the danger for the Republican Party is that they get linked to these violent antiabortion extremists. That's going to be, I think, the real debate that we'll see playing out in the general election.'
HARLOW: That's an interesting point. Also, turning to New Hampshire, another very critical early voting state, the New Hampshire union leader, a very influential newspaper in the state, comes out with an op-ed that they back Chris Christie. Let's read part of it. "Chris Christie is right for the dangerous
times we live in. Other candidates have gained public and media attention by speaking bluntly, but it's important that when you are telling it like it is, it is to actually know what you are talking about.
Now, the obvious question here is, does it help Chris Christie. We'll see. I'm interested in whether it actually hurts Jeb Bush more than it helps Chris Christie because he's been putting so much weight and effort in New Hampshire.
BEINART: Right. The problem is that there are a whole bunch of candidates who're basically banking everything on New Hampshire. Jeb Bush is one of them. Chris Christie is another. John Kasich is another. Marco Rubio is very, very heavily invested there. Rand Paul and - the problem is only one or two candidates are going to emerge out of New Hampshire as viable candidates.
HARLOW: And look, Christie is only getting 4 percent.
BEINART: Right. You have to leapfrog so many other people. I would say, right now, Rubio is probably the guy right now who's second place after Donald Trump.
Christie has been doing better in recent weeks, but it's hard for me to imagine he's going to leapfrog Rubio. It's hard for me to imagine Jeb Bush is going to do that either.
HARLOW: All right. Let me read you this because veteran Democratic pollster Peter Hart asked some focus groups to compare Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump to a family member coming to dinner. We all have those great family dinners over Thanksgiving.
For Clinton, women tended to say a sister or a mother. Men had a harder time relating to her. Here's how one of them who was polled put it. She is my wife's sister, extremely opinionated, is graceful at times and totally available to rip your head off at other times.
Trump was described as a "crazy uncle" and a "smart Alec teenager." These are kind of like the word association. How much weight do you put in, though, to these descriptions as people are deciding?
BEINART: Well, look, I think the conventional wisdom is right that if Hillary Clinton or any Democrat is running against Donald Trump, they will have a huge advantage because I think you're going to see a significant number of Republicans who will simply not support Donald Trump. He's too dangerous. He's too crazy. He's too out there.
The problem that Hillary Clinton would have against a more electable Republican, let's say a Marco Rubio, is that while she has a strong base of support, she doesn't have the kind of - there's not the kind of passion behind her inside the Democratic Party that you saw for Barack Obama.
You need a huge base turnout if you're going to win among young people, Latinos, African-Americans, single women. Does she inspire those people enough? Not yet.
HARLOW: Not yet. All right, Peter Beinart, thank you very much.
BEINART: Thank you.
BEINART: You will not want to miss the next presidential debate. It is right here on CNN, Tuesday, December 15, 9 o'clock Eastern only right here. Quick break, we're back in a moment.
HARLOW: Hi, everyone. This just into CNN. We now have two names. Names of both of the civilians killed in the Colorado Springs clinic shooting on Friday. One a man, one a woman. You seem them on your screen there. Jennifer Markovsky was 35 years old. She was killed in that bloody siege on Friday. Also, a 29-year-old named Ke'Arre Stewart. He was also murdered.
As we told you earlier, a police officer named Garrett Swasey, 44 years old, a father of two, also killed on Friday as he ran to help other officers and civilians in the line of fire.
Just moments ago, President Obama arrived in Paris for a major conference on climate change. You see him there as he gets off Air Force One. He will meet with China's President tomorrow morning. The White House deputy national security advisor says cooperation between the US and China, of course, with their pollution issues, is critical to these negotiations.
Meantime, protesters in Paris tonight, throwing bottles and shoes at police officers, the day before this summit gets underway. Officials there have banned a major change march that was scheduled for today because Paris is still under a state of emergency that lasts for three months. That means all major protests are indeed banned in the wake of the terror attacks.
More than 200 people were arrested, all of this while more than 150 world leaders will arrive in Paris in the next two days for these climate talks.
CNN's senior international correspondent Jim Bittermann live in Paris with me this evening. Jim, the protesters clearly made their voice heard. Now, the president has landed, President Obama. What are police doing to make sure that these protests do not descend on, interfere with this conference. I'm sure security is incredibly high.
JIM BITTERMANN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Absolutely, Poppy. In fact, I think it's as high as I've ever seen since I've been here. The site itself - the conference site itself is ringed by more than 2,000 security agents and virtually impossible to get to. They sealed off the roads all around. You have to use public transit to get there. And that allows the police at least to screen people a bit as they're coming off the public transit.
So, yes, it's a highly secure operation. They know they've got all these leaders, these heads of state in town, head of state, heads of government. They're only going to be in town for two days, heads of state and government. There will be other officials, like John Kerry, for example, who will stay on, but the heads of state and heads of government will only be here until Tuesday.
So, as a consequence so they can get through Tuesday, they've sort of made it a home as far as a terrorist attack might be concerned, although even beyond that, any kind of an incident would be really totally devastating for the image of France and for the French government. Poppy?
HARLOW: There's no question, especially since that eighth attacker in the Paris attack, Salah Abdeslam, is still a fugitive, is still on the run.
Jim Bittermann live for us in Paris tonight. Thank you very much, Jim. Straight ahead, his mission is one of compassion. A Jesuit priest who believes everyone deserves something more than just a second chance. The story on Homeboy Industries, you won't want to miss it next.
HARLOW: Police in Chicago will soon be wearing more body cameras on the street. We've learned today the department is expanding its body worn camera program into six more police districts by the middle of next year. This program will be paid for with a grant from the Justice Department of more than $3 million. It will be matched by the city.
Meantime protests continued in downtown Chicago yesterday, sparked after community outrage over that police video showing a teenager with a knife being shot 16 times and killed last year. Seventeen-year-old Laquan McDonald later died. Officer Jason Van Dyke last week charged with first-degree murder.
As homicides rise in many, many major cities across America, a gray- haired Jesuit priest has been on a 30-year mission to curb gang violence and not only saves live, but completely transform through Homeboy Industries in Central Los Angeles. His mission is one of redemption, hope and second chances for men and women, who most of society has completely written off.
Here's our American opportunity.
HARLOW (voice-over): They call him pops and Father G.
Boyle: This is a portrait of me from a guy on death row.
HARLOW (voice-over): And this.
BOYLE: I'll see you. I promise, I promise.
HARLOW (voice-over): It's his church. BOYLE: I've seen folks who were completely despondent and can't conjure up an image of what tomorrow is going to look like, but I've never met a monster, I've never met an evil person. Never.
HARLOW (voice-over): This Jesuit priest has buried more than 200 people, many of them under 18 years old, all lost to gang violence.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) on two different occasions, for the record.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was a cycle of violence, a cycle of being in the neighborhood.
HARLOW: Why do you do this?
BOYLE: The scripture has this thing about the widow, orphan and the stranger and these are the folks that we're supposed to have a preferential love for. It is the folks at the margins with folks whose dignity has been denied and folks who are demonized.
HARLOW: You call it boundless compassion. What is that?
BOYLE: Well, it's a way of kind of making room for all these folks, no matter what to kind of know that everybody is a whole lot more than those things they've ever done.
HARLOW: In the City of Angels, gang, life and drive-by is not just the stuff of Hollywood tales. LA has more than 450 gangs with membership over 45,000 according to the LAPD. You'll hear Father Greg Boyle talk about infusing hope in those to whom hope is foreign.
(on-camera): You call gang involvement the lethal absence of hope. What is that?
BOYLE: Not all choices are created equal. I wasn't exposed to poverty or violence or people running up to cars selling drugs, or shooting. Everybody here has been exposed that many times over.
HARLOW (voice-over): The luck he was born with drove Father Boyle nearly 30 years ago to create Homeboy Industries, pulling gang members out of the often-deadly trap they're on, helping them clean up their lives and giving them jobs.
(on-camera): Who gets to come here?
JOSE OSUNA, DIRECTOR OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS, HOMEBOY INDUSTRIES: It's pretty much like the opposite of your typical job interview. We're looking for those people that have multiple felonies, we're looking for people that are probably the hardest to serve as far as coming out of the gang life, coming out of those type of situations. Have served prison time doesn't hurt here. And the more tattoos you have, probably the better chance you have of being part of Homeboy Industries.
MARCOS SOLARES, FORMER GANG MEMBER: I came in to remove my tattoos.
HARLOW (voice-over): They helped him remove the symbols of their former life, taking off the tattoos that bind them.
OSUNA: I feel like a different person. As you can see, trying to be a better father figure. Just live for a whole different life now.
HARLOW: We've got people who have killed people.
OSUNA: Who've carried out heinous crimes. Why does each person who walks through this door getting a second chance matter?
OSUNA: I think that that answer is as diverse as humanity is, right? And I think we have to live by one of Father Greg's sayings that you're not as bad as the worst thing that you've ever done.
HARLOW: About a thousand former gang members and men and women who have just been released from prison walk through these doors each month. For many of them, it's a choice between light and death.
And the way they see it here, nothing stops a bullet like a job.
(voice-over): For Steve, Angela, Janet, Carlos and Lami, all former gang members, the uphill battle has been tremendous.
(on-camera): How old were you when you joined the gang?
LAMI GLENN, TRAINEE, HOMEBOY INDUSTRIES: 16.
JANET CONTRERAS, SENIOR NAVIGATOR, HOMEBOY INDUSTRIES: 13.
CARLOS LICEAGA, TRAINEE, HOMEBOY INDUSTRIES: 10.
ANGELA NAJERA, TRAINEE, HOMEBOY INDUSTRIES: 13.
STEVE AVALOS, SENIOR NAVIGATOR, HOMEBOY INDUSTRIES: 13.
HARLOW: Did you think you'd live to see age 50? Raise your hand, any of you. No.
Now, do you think you'll live to see age 50? Everyone.
(voice-over): Angela has lost custody of her four children.
(on-camera): What do you feel like?
NAJERA: Everyday, it is like - you just have that glimpse of a hope. And I mean, like, I know as long as I keep going (INAUDIBLE) and I keep doing the right thing and I don't backslide, it's going to be OK.
HARLOW (voice-over): Janet spent three years in prison. Carlos served 13. And Lemay served 8. Steve was sentenced to life, but was released after 17 years.
(on-camera): The gang life, what is it that drew you in?
NAJERA: It's just the feeling of being welcomed and being - like a bunch of brothers and sisters that you didn't have.
HARLOW: So, it was like another family.
NAJERA: Yes, another family away from my family.
AVALOS: My whole life, pretty much, family members being killed or imprisoned. Same thing, like, the gang was just the way of life. It was - I don't really feel like I chose that lifestyle. That lifestyle in a way chose me.
NAJERA: Homeboy, for me, is like second chances. It's like a chance at life, like a life I didn't know I had. Come here, Father Greg just sees us as a normal human being and then some. He sees us as people.
HARLOW: Were you ever scared of relapsing, of falling back into jail?
GLENN: Yes, very much so. Very much so because what kind of drove me into the gang culture was making money. You started with the money made with drugs, selling drugs.
LICEAGA: After a while, you come to realize that you do need to change. You can't just be out there your whole life on your own, not doing nothing for yourself.
HARLOW: Why do you think this works?
CONTRERAS: I think it works because people coming in wanting that change. We don't look for them. We don't advertise it. It's on you. You want to come here, you come willingly.
HARLOW (voice-over): More than 30,000 former gang members have come through Homeboy. And for those completing a special 18-month program, Boyle says only 30% return to prison. That's compared to more than 60% across California and close to 70% nationwide just three years after their release.
(on-camera): Why are your numbers so much better?
BOYLE: Well, I think a lot of times, we have a menu and list of services to deliver and then we become the DMV. It's like now serving number 43. So, what do you need? So, you need counseling, OK. Parenting, good. Anger management. And we sort of dispatch people. Well, we don't do that here.
HARLOW (voice-over): What they do at Homeboy is job placement, mental health counseling, legal aid, solar panel installation training and much more.
BOYLE: Then a bond develops that's stronger than even their family and certainly stronger than their gang.
HARLOW (voice-over): Homeboy says it only gets 2% of its funding from the government. And it meant that it's hard to raise money from many.
BOYLE: We're a tougher sell because they're human beings who have been to prison and who are gang members. This place begs the question, what if we were to invest in these folks rather than endlessly, futilely trying to incarcerate our way out of this problem. HARLOW (voice-over): Jose Osuna sees this through their eyes like few others can.
(on-camera): Why do you help them?
OSUNA: I help them because that's the world I came from. I served 13 years of my life in prison myself. Eight years ago, my 17-year-old son was shot in front of my house. I don't want any other parent to experience that type of pain.
HARLOW: What is the most profound thing that has happened to you here?
OSUNA: I jumped a guy into a gang when he was 9 years old. And when he was 18, he received three life sentences. And all three life sentences were for crimes that he didn't commit. Eventually, through the appeal process, he was released. It took 18 years for that to happen.
And last December, he walked through the door of my office and asked me to help him. And I felt that my life had gone complete circle because I had helped bring this individual into such a violent and negative lifestyle.
And now, I've been able to help him re-enter society and start the process of finding himself because I love him. I've always loved him. That's what he was seeking from me when he was 8, 9, 10 ten years old. And I didn't know how to love him then. And so, I'm just grateful that I know how to love him now. Father Greg taught me that.
HARLOW (voice-over): It's a gift so great, repayment is nearly impossible.
(on-camera): Is there anyone that you have not been able to find grace in somewhere?
BOYLE: Never, never.
HARLOW: Just reminds you the power of one person with one dream, like Father Greg Boyle 30 years ago. Thank you to everyone at Homeboy Industries for welcoming us in.
Coming up next. Three years after Jordan Davis was murdered in a dispute over loud music in a gas station parking lot, his mother tells me what she is doing to honor her son's memory and his name and the HBO documentary taking us inside the trial followed across the nation. Next.
HARLOW: Second top story this hour, a man has been arrested following the shooting death of a Pennsylvania police officer Lloyd Reed was killed, while responding to a domestic dispute east of Pittsburgh. Investigators say 31-year-old Ray Shetler Jr. shot Reed and then ran. Shetler was captured six hours later.
Deadly weather today slamming parts of the south central United States on this busy post-Thanksgiving travel day. Right now 11 million people are currently under flood warnings; 8 million others under winter storm warnings. At least ten weather-related deaths have been reported in Texas and Kansas.
Colorado shooting suspect Robert Dear due in court. He allegedly shot and killed three people, wounded nine more, killed a police officer as well at that shooting spree at the Colorado clinic on Friday night. It ended in a bloody standoff with police that lasted nearly six hours.
It has been three years since 17-year-old Jordan Davis was shot and killed by Michael Dunn, a man who pulled into a gas station in Florida in a parking lot next to Davis and his friends. They were in a car, playing loud music.
They got into an altercation of words. They wouldn't turn the music down. Three-and-a-half minutes later, Dunn fired ten times at the car. A few of those bullets hit Davis. They killed him that day. That was on Thanksgiving weekend of 2012.
Now, a new HBO documentary, 3 1/2 Minutes, 10 Bullets has just premiered. It's about Davis' parents' fight for justice. This is when his mother finds out her son has just been murdered.
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LUCIA MCBATH, JORDAN DAVIS' MOTHER: My phone was sitting on top of the dresser and I just came in and I thought it was Ron. It was about 2:45. And I say, hey, Ron, what are you doing, what's up, happy Thanksgiving.
He said I've got something I need to tell you and I said, where is Jordan, what happened to Jordan. And he didn't want to tell me and I yelled. I said what happened to Jordan.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sometimes you sit there and you're thinking and thinking and five and six, seven, maybe sometimes ten minutes would go by and you find yourself just staring at the ceiling in the morning. And then something just (INAUDIBLE) to get up, saying, you know what, you've got to make another day. Just get up, get your feet on the floor, stand up and just make another day because you've got to go on.
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HARLOW: How do you go on, though? Jordan's mother Lucia McBath joins me now.
Thank you for being with me.
MCBATH: Thank you so much for having me. Happy Thanksgiving.
HARLOW: And to you as well. I'm sure it was a difficult one considering it's been three years now to the day that your son was killed. I am so sorry for your loss. And we've all been following this. And I know this year, you're really making a stand with your wallet.
You joined this Not a Dime protest, which is an economic boycott that began after Ferguson. Tell me about it.
MCBATH: Well, we have just believed within our community that one of the true ways to probably make an impact in terms of what we see with gun violence in the minority community and across the nation at large is basically a moratorium or on spending money during the Thanksgiving holiday just as a statement that we have to get a grip on what we see happening in the country, and that we're no longer going to stand by and let these atrocities continue to happen over and over again.
Gun violence has become such a national crisis in this country and we really want to get the attention of the nation, and specifically our legislators and civic leaders.
HARLOW: Let's talk about more in terms of just - you bring up legislators and lawmakers. You testified in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee, you challenged Texas Senator, now GOP presidential candidate, Ted Cruz on his defense of the Second Amendment. You also met with Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton.
I am interested in what you want to see specifically or see it from the candidates.
MCBATH: Well, I think for the first time, in a national campaign, presidential campaign - this is the very first time that we've actually heard any of the candidates talk about gun violence prevention, talk about policing, talk about a lot of the national crises, issues that we're dealing with.
And what I'd like to see from each of them is actually want to know, on their platform, what do they plan to do about gun violence prevention in the country, what do they plan to do about policing, what do they plan to do about changing the gun culture in this country.
And I think that each and every one of them must address these issues. These are national issues that affect everyone in the country. And I think that - for me, that would be a single issue vote when I go to the polls.
HARLOW: That is your single-issue vote. OK, you have said, let me quote you here, "this is the present civil rights movement. We've got bigger fights now. Before we had lynchings, now these are legal lynchings."
And you are fighting specifically the Florida Stand Your Ground law. You want to see basically an amendment to Florida's constitution and a change to the Stand Your Ground law because the defense in this case, Michael Dunn's defense, who killed your son, was he thought he had a gun or thought he pulled something out, thought he was in danger. How do you want to see the Stand Your Ground law changed? MCBATH: Well, it's not a matter of totally eradicating the law because it won't - anyone who is using it properly, they need to be able to defend themselves in their territory with their own homes. But the law is very ambiguous. The law is - there are a lot of loopholes in the law, such as the fact that there is no duty to retreat.
Individuals now, if they're faced with a danger, and let's say the person that is possibly committing the crime towards them, they leave or they leave the scene, then you at all cost have a duty to retreat, you have a duty to stand down when there's no longer a threat. But the law has become so ambiguous, is that people no longer stand down. They've taken the duty to retreat out of the law.
Also, too, it's based upon a perception, a perception oftentimes it's not even a credible threat when people are actually using their guns.
And also too, a lots of times, the shooter walks away completely free with no civil or criminal responsibility whatsoever. They are completely immune to any liability. And so, these are very, very dangerous laws.
People are using them. And they're saying, yes, it's my Second Amendment right. Yes, it is your Second Amendment right to have guns, to bear arms, but it's also - it's a major responsibility for every gun holder in this country to use their guns properly. And we absolutely don't want to have guns in the hands of dangerous criminals and people who should not have those guns.
So, the gun laws are very expansive. They are very watered-down. And they are causing - what you see, a lot of - in terms of a lot of the violence in the country, you see that because the gun culture has become so watered-down.
HARLOW: Before I let you go, I want you to tell all of our viewers about the foundation that you started in Jordan's name, in your son's name. I know it's called the Walk with Jordan Scholarship Foundation. How can people help and what is the money going towards?
MCBATH: Absolutely. I think that is one of the things that I'm most proud of is Walk with Jordan Scholarship Foundation. It's a foundation that I began based upon discussions that I had with Jordan when he was - once he had moved to Florida.
He was very concerned about the nature of the education that he was receiving in Florida versus what he received in Atlanta. And so, I decided, based upon a legacy on those discussions that we had, that I would educate those very students that he talked about.
The Walk with Jordan Scholarship Foundation is a 501(c)(3). And we do act as a safety net. We educate, we mentor young students, apprising seniors in the country. I'm not looking for the straight A students. I'm looking for the average students like Jordan that would need more help and preparation and going on for further education.
Actually, it's Walk with Jordan. HARLOW: Yes, go ahead.
HARLOW: walkwithjordanfoundation.org, if any of you out there want to help. Thank you so much. That is a wonderful thing to do in your son's memory. Again, I'm so sorry for your loss. Thank you for being with me.
MCBATH: Thank you.
HARLOW: And all of you can watch 3 1/2 minutes, 10 Bullets, the HBO documentary, on this story. It is on HBO. Quick break, we'll be right back.
HARLOW: This just in, President Obama landing in Paris just a few moments ago for this climate change summit, but first, you see, he has stopped at a memorial outside of the Bataclan Concert Hall to pay his respect to the victims of the Paris terror attacks. You can see him standing side-by-side with French President Francois Hollande at that makeshift memorial, leaning over and placing a single rose.
Thank you so much for being with us this Sunday evening. You can always get the latest news at CNN.com and on our mobile app. I'm Poppy Harlow. Have a great week. But stay with us. Back to back episodes of "Anthony Bourdain: Parts Unknown" begins right after this.