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El Chapo Back at High Security Prison; Philadelphia Police Officer Shot by Man Claiming ISIS Allegiance; Muslims Woman Stands Up in Silent Protest at Donald Trump Rally; Tensions Still High After Pyongyang Said they Detonated H-Bomb; Protesters in Germany Demonstrate About New Year's Eve Sex Assaults; Three Witnesses in Lacquan McDonald Case May Have Been Ordered to Change Their Stories. Aired 7-8a ET
Aired January 9, 2016 - 07:00 ET
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BLACKWELL: Next hour of your NEW DAY starts right now.
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BLACKWELL: A Muslim woman kicked out of a Donald Trump rally, the crowd that you see in there in this video booing and heckling her.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It was really quite telling of -- and a vivid example of what happens when you start using this hateful rhetoric and how it can incite a crowd.
PAUL: Plus, breaking overnight, the world's most wanted drug lord, El Chapo, captured in a deadly shootout. We are getting our first pictures, showing him to you here. What we know about where he is right now.
BLACKWELL: And the Philadelphia police officer survives an attack by a gunman who says he was acting in the name of ISIS. This morning, fellow officers are now talking about how their colleague survived miraculously.
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PAUL: Happy Saturday to you, we hope you awaken up in good spirits. I'm Christi Paul.
BLACKWELL: I'm Victor Blackwell, good to be with you.
PAUL: Yeah, we want to get to that breaking news we're talking about at Mexico this morning. El Chapo is back at the high security Atiplano prison. Yes, the one from which he escaped last July. I want to show you this new video we have, though, minutes after he was caught by the Mexican Navy in Los Mochis. Mochis?
PAUL: Following a deadly shootout, frantic chase through the sewers after he tried to escape through a manhole even, again, another tunnel it seems.
BLACKWELL: And take a look at this video, I mean, you see his head was horsed over to the cameras as he was transported back to the prison from Mexico City under high security.
CNN's Nick Valencia is joining us this morning live from Mexico City. And Nick, tell us what you saw there and walk us through how he was caught.
NICK VALENCIA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yeah, good morning, Victor. It was certainly a chilling atmosphere. About 500 journalists estimated from the local media here were present for El Chapo's presentation of the media. This is a standard thing that they usually do with cartel operatives. They present them in front of the media. We were there at the Tekera (ph) hangar, the airport hangar for the Mexico's Attorney General's Office where he was presented.
We also heard details about his capture.
Apparently, this home where he was hold up and had been monitored for at least a month, neighbors had complained that they had seen men with heavy weapons and we're told last night that El Chapo showed up on Thursday. The decision to make that raid in the early morning hours of Friday was made, and that's when the Mexican Navy, the marines ended up descending on that room that he was in. That home that he was in.
A shootout happened between the Mexican Navy as well as cartel operatives. One Mexican Navy officer was shot and injured, at least five of the suspected cartel operatives were killed. And it was during this time that El Chapo was actually able to escape through some storm drains, eventually emerging with an associate to steal a car. And that car was spotted on the outskirts of the city where he was eventually captured.
But the really interesting points and details that we learned last night from that press conference, was that it was ultimately and perhaps El Chapo's ego or carelessness that eventually got him caught. He was trying to make a movie, we're told, and had reached out to producers and actresses to try to make a movie about his life. And we're told that also helped authorities pinpoint his location.
BLACKWELL: So, Nick, when people wake up this morning and hear those being sent back to the same prison from which he escaped, the question is, how do they keep him from doing it again?
VALENCIA: Well, there's certainly lot of concerns that brings up a lot of nerves here, not just in Mexico but also United States. Altiplano prison is the most maximum security prison in all of Mexico. Even still, this is the same prison that El Chapo escaped from using that mile-long tunnel we're told by Mexican authorities that emerge in a rural country home.
He is now back at that prison. We understand he was escorted there yesterday by la Marina and we're told that he's back now.
But the U.S. is very eager to have him extradited. As a matter of fact, it was earlier this summer, the same week that El Chapo escaped that they filed a formal request to get El Chapo extradited. That didn't happen because of the escape.
[07:05:01] Now, though, the U.S. is hungry as ever to try to get El Chapo back on U.S. soil. He faces drug charges. In Chicago, he was named public enemy number one there in the city. And now, we've seen some precedent set for extradition between Mexico and the U.S. government. There's been a lot of recent cooperation.
La Barbie was just in Atlanta federal court earlier this week facing drug charges, and the U.S. can only hope that that will be the same fate for El Chapo. They want him on U.S. soil to face those drug charges.
BLACKWELL: Had Mexican authorities said anything specifically about if they will extradite. I heard you just say that the U.S. wants him, but will Mexico give him up?
VALENCIA: Well, you have to understand, this is a matter of pride, this is not just the most notorious drug trafficker in the world, this is -- was the most wanted man in Mexico. And Enrique Pena Nieto, the president here in Mexico, has said in past interviews, this was a sense of pride that they had captured him.
Of course, it was embarrassing when he escaped. But now again, this third time that he's been captured, we can only assume that it will be not as easy as the U.S. wants, but this precedent that has been said in recent weeks for high-profile cartel operatives to be extradited may be some indication of what will happen to El Chapo in the coming weeks, perhaps months.
BLACKWELL: Yeah, and Nick Valencia for us in Mexico City. Thank you so much and we'll have more in the story, of course, throughout the morning.
PAUL: In other news today, a cheering crowd in a Donald Trump rally, apparently, got really ugly after a Muslim woman stood up in silent protest.
The disruption happened as Trump suggested that Syrian refugees are affiliated with ISIS. We're going to show you here how it unfolded last night. This was in South Carolina.
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DONALD TRUMP, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I know the game. And I know the game very well. And these people will come in ...
PAUL: Now, Trump supporters, as you heard there, started booing and chanting and jeering as police escorted her and several others out. The woman wearing the Hijab is Rose Hamid. And moments after she was kicked out, she spoke with CNN about why she was there and what people there said to her. ROSE HAMID, KICKED OUT OF TRUMP RALLY: I have the sincere belief that
if people get to know each other one on one, that they'll stop being afraid of each other. And we'll be able to get rid of all this hate in the world, literally. So that was really my goal, is to let people see that Muslims are not that scary.
And the people around me were lovely. There was people who were very nice and were sharing their popcorn, it was very nice people all around me, the people I had conversations with.
But then what happened when the crowd got this like hateful crowd mentality, as I was being escorted, they -- it was really quite telling of -- and a vivid example of what happens when you start using this hateful rhetoric, and how it can incite a crowd where moments ago were very kind to me.
One guy was saying, "Get out, do you have a bomb, do you have a bomb?" And I said, "No, do you have a bomb?" So, no, they were saying ugly things. One guy was saying, "God is great", I'm like, "Yeah, God is great." And one guy said, "Isa loves you", which is the Arabic word for Jesus. And I said, "Yeah, I know, and Jesus loves you, too."
So, it's -- the thing is that people don't even know what they're saying. They don't even -- they're just get wiled up in the hate mongering and they don't even know what they're saying.
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PAUL: Now, the Trump campaign did not immediately respond to our request for a comment asking why Hamid was escorted on the first place.
A fight for survival, a Philadelphia police officer shot point blank while sitting in his patrol car. The gunman admitted that he acted in allegiance to ISIS. We have new details for you regarding how that officer was able to avoid fatal shot.
BLACKWELL: Plus, demonstrators, angry on the streets of Germany this morning, protesting the country's policy on accepting refugee migrants following a large number of sexual assaults on New Year's Eve.
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[07:10:30] BLACKWELL: There are new details this morning about the man who allegedly trying to assassinate a Philadelphia cop in the name of the Islamic State. PAUL: Yeah, officials say they're now looking in a possible
terrorized as they announced the suspect, 30-year-old Edward Archer. Here's his picture. He made two trips to the Middle East.
BLACKWELL: The FBI says Archer made trips to Saudi Arabia in 2011 and then to Egypt in 2012.
PAUL: But meanwhile, the officer who was shot, Jesse Hartnett, is recovering in a Philadelphia hospital this morning. Officials telling CNN he's facing multiple surgeries after being shot three times, his left elbow, in fact, was shattered by one of those bullets.
Miguel Marquez is following the story live for us in Philadelphia. Good morning, Miguel. What have you learned today?
MIGUEL MARQUEZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning. Well, it is absolutely incredible that that officer survived this, and not only survived, but operated and worked so violently under such a incredible conditions.
Also police looking into digging into the life of Edward Archer, trying to figure out whether there are those connections he told police at one point that he believed that police work was contrary to the teachings of Islam.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: All cars standby, we have an officer shot.
MARQUEZ: A horrifying scene in Philadelphia, that's 30-year-old Edward Archer, say police, brandishing a nine-millimeter semi- automatic handgun firing into the police car of 33-year-old police officer, Jesse Hartnett.
Archer moves to the window, the gun inside the car firing at least 11 shots, hitting the officer three times in the left arm.
JESSE HARTNETT, PHILADELPHIA POLICE OFFICER: Shots fired (inaudible) I'm bleeding heavily.
MARQUEZ: Incredibly, the police officer, not only survived, he chased his attacker down shooting him in the butt, stopping him all while bleeding profusely, his left arm unusable, speaking to the dispatcher all at the same time.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We have an officer down.
COMMISSIONER RICHARD ROSS, PHILADELPHIA POLICE: Yeah, the grace of God just first and foremost. But -- because I can't explain it based on my beliefs in any other way. But, under those circumstances, man, I can't imagine that almost anything that you could have could protect you. That is chilling, absolutely chilling when you watch that.
And, if that doesn't just make the hairs on your necks' raise when you see that, it's scary.
MARQUEZ: Police say the attacker used a handgun stolen from police in 2013 and confessed he was inspired by ISIS.
CAPTAIN JAMES CLARK, PHILADELPHIA POLICE: He pledges his allegiance to Islamic State, he follows Allah, and that is the reason he was called upon to do this.
[07:15:02] MARQUEZ: Authorities now digging into the life and past of 30-year-old Edward Archer.
ROSS: According to him, he believed that the police defend laws that are contrary to the teachings of the Kuran.
MARQUEZ: FBI searching through properties related to Archer, trying to determine just how deeply, if at all, he is tied to international terror groups.
Now, a fellow officer responded to the officer's car in that situation that night. Jonny Castro posted a picture of Officer Hartnett's car, you can see the blood running out of that car. He lost a lot of blood, said the chief of police, and it's -- or the commissioner. He was very lucky to have survived. The officer giving a very moving account of everything Officer Hartnett went through that night, taking three bullets.
Now, one of those bullets did shatter his elbow, went through the bone, broke his arm basically. One went through an artery and he has extensive nerve damage, so despite the fact that he was only hit in the left arm, it is going to be a long road to recovery for Officer Hartnett.
Back to you guys.
PAUL: All right, Miguel Marquez, we appreciate the update this morning. Thank you.
BLACKWELL: Let's bring in CNN Law Enforcement Analyst and Former FBI Assistant Director Tom Fuentes.
Tom, as the investigators start to collect as much as they can about communications between Archer and anyone who might be affiliated with ISIS, give us an idea. If this is not someone who was, you know, on social media, didn't have a Twitter account, Facebook, how do they get those answers to those questions?
TOM FUENTES, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Well, Victor, if there's no, you know, digital trail to follow, they may not get those answers. And it only can come from inside of his head.
So, they need to have the e-mails or social media postings, phone calls, friends, relatives that may be able to corroborate his intention or his statement that he was doing it on behalf of ISIS.
But, if they don't find other indications of that, it'll be only what he said.
BLACKWELL: How have these types of attacks -- this is the fourth ISIS inspired attack in about two years. How have these types of attacks change law enforcement?
We saw out of New York after that shooting in the South Bronx overnight, immediately the Mayor and Commissioner Bratton come out to tell everyone what was the reason behind at least what they know now, the motive behind this shooting of that officer.
But I'd imagine that these departments across the country are in high alert.
FUENTES: Well, they are, and that's the problem because, you know, as I mentioned, many of these departments face that kind of mayhem every night, our big city police encounter this kind of situations and deal with it.
But now, with the heightened alert of possible connections to terrorism, that's why you saw the Commissioner and the Mayor of New York come out and immediately tried to say and put fears to rest. But, they don't believe it was a terrorist situation last night.
BLACKWELL: And there is an element at least according to Archer's mother in her interview with the Philadelphia Inquirer of mental illness here saying "kind of strange lately that he was hearing voices in his head". Mental illness, I'd imagine, is a part of this investigation, how do they get to the bottom of how much of each of these variables played into this?
FUENTES: Well, that's true. And that's another thing that's very hard to determine, you know, from a scientific standpoint. Was he completely mentally ill and really doesn't understand what ISIS is? He's obviously misinformed about the police in the teachings of the Kuran.
I was on the board of Interpol, I also run FBI International Operations, every country in the Islamic world has a police force, and every one of those countries belongs to Interpol, which shows that they are on international stage for their police forces, including Iran, and Saudi Arabia, and Egypt, in the cases of countries he traveled to.
So, you know, to say that the fact of having police is contrary to the teachings of the Kuran is false.
BLACKWELL: Yeah, and of course, this investigation just beginning a lot of complex variables here.
Tom Fuentes, thanks for helping us understand them.
FUENTES: You're welcome.
PAUL: And listen, I just want to get you some news here, this is coming from the officer that first posted that information about Officer Hartnett. He said, "You ducked your head down at just the right moment that rounds actually missed your head by inches. Three bullets tore into your arm, shattering the bone and severing an artery. Without hesitation, you fought your attacker almost instantly. You drew your service weapon and viciously returned fire. It was literally a fight for life and death", is what that fellow officer is recounting about that attack.
And of course, Officer Hartnett winning the praises of the police commissioner there as well, who really seemed to be torn up himself about the fact that this man in Philadelphia, this officer was shot by a gun that used to be a police ...
[07:20:05] BLACKWELL: Yeah.
PAUL: ... gun and was stolen. That's one of the really tough elements of this for them to reconcile.
BLACKWELL: Stolen just a few years ago, of course, not clear yet if Archer stole the gun or if it went through, you know, the cycle of illegal gun trade on the streets and ...
BLACKWELL: ... ended up in his hand somehow.
BLACKWELL: Of course, that'll likely come out in the investigation, but of -- we'll continue to follow that this morning.
PAUL: Alrighty, also, this morning, Paris is mocking one year since the deadly attack on a kosher supermarket that left four people dead.
BLACKWELL: And tensions still high on the Korean Peninsula days after Pyongyang says it detonated a hydrogen bomb. CNN is the only U.S. broadcaster inside North Korea, we'll take you there live.
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TRUMP: I know the game. And I know the game very well. And these people will come in ...
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BLACKWELL: Yeah, this ramped up pretty quickly in Rock Hill, South Carolina, the crowd cheering at this Donald Trump rally after a Muslim woman stood up in silent protest. The disruption happened as Trump suggested that Syrian refugees are affiliated with ISIS. And we saw how it unfolded last night.
To discuss, we're joined now by CNN Political Commentators, Ben Ferguson and Maria Cardona.
And Ben, I want to start with you. When you watched that video, what do you see there?
BEN FERGUSON, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: I see a protester that got exactly what they wanted to accomplish when they went to this event. They wanted to be a spectacle, they wanted to stand out, they wanted there to be some fanfare, and they wanted to do interviews about their cause afterwards and mission accomplished.
There are a lot of people do this in a lot of different places, I don't think this is any different because she was Muslim. If she was a protester protesting something else, we saw a rape victim protesting Hillary Clinton the other day. This happens at political events, I don't think this one's special because she's Muslim.
BLACKWELL: Maria, what do you see?
MARIA CARDONA, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: I see somebody who stood up for, not just her community, but I think for speech in this country that we so desperately need, something that is not violent that is not focused on kicking protesters out when they're actually being civil and silent.
[07:25:10] She stood up, did not say anything, she was very respectful. And, frankly, in what she was saying in her earlier interviews, she was saying that other Trump supporters around her were absolutely civil back to her, were actually nice.
I think what this indicates is, that Trump himself is the kind of person who inculcates hate speech and who promotes the kind of behavior that the other Trump supporters are engaging in. And, for him and for his supporters, I think should be embarrassing. It's not what leadership is, a leader should actually focus on trying to get us to act to the better angels of our nature, not the worse.
BLACKWELL: Ben, let me come back to you with that. And I want to sit the designation ...
BLACKWELL: ... aside of this being a hate speech. But let me come to you with this sentiment that we see on the GOP side of two-thirds of Republicans supporting the ban on non-American Muslims coming in.
A large percentage, 45 percent, I'm sorry, 40 percent of Republicans to a recent ...
BLACKWELL: ... poll finding that Islam is violent. Is this something that is driven by the members of the party, or is it driven by the leaders of the party, and Trump namely?
FERGUSON: I think it's driven by the fact that people feel right now that we do not have a control of those that are coming into this country that may be connected to extremism. We saw it happened yesterday in Philadelphia, where you have a police officer that was gunned down by an individual that had been radicalized, we assumed, went to the Middle East twice, said he did it in the name of Islam.
There are people that are concerned about our national security. And when you have refugees that are coming in and we don't know who they are, we don't know their background, we don't know what they're affiliated with, they're concerned about this. This isn't about being hateful.
Look, there's always extremism in every part of every group in this country that may not be this -- the norm but the majority of the 40 percent you just talked about, what they're seeing is they're saying that we have a program right now that we truly do not understand how it works.
And that's the reason why they associated with Donald Trump.
I don't support everything Donald Trump says, I've been very critical of him here on CNN. But I will say this, the 40 percent that are with him on this issue who'd say, "Look, we are concerned about radicalism", we're seeing it play out. Look at the videos that talk about how many women were attacked and raped recently in Europe on New Year's Eve, for goodness sake, they're concerned, they don't know who the people were, they know it was a mass amount of men. They don't know if they're refugees, they don't know -- they can't answer any of these questions.
And when people see that, they'd say, "Are we protecting us here in this country?", and that's where this debate is coming from. And it's a debate we should be having.
CARDONA: The problem is -- the differences is that, Trump, as a leader, should be actually explaining to people the difference between Muslims who are -- who have been born here or who had been here for years and years and years, and are peaceful and live in peaceful communities, and promote that kind of peace, versus the extremists that are doing us harm.
And yes, there absolutely is fear, but instead of being a real leader and explaining the differences to his own supporters between those two, he is actually promoting this sort of mentality, group mentality, group hatred mentality which this woman was actually ...
FERGUSON: Well ...
CARDONA: ... talking about. And that's a big difference.
FERGUSON: With all due respect though, Donald Trump ...
CARDONA: And it's huge irresponsibility on his part.
FERGUSON: With all due respect ...
BLACKWELL: 10 seconds, Ben, we got to go.
FERGUSON: ... Donald Trump has been very clear that he has friends that are Muslim, there are people that are Muslim that are peaceful, that he knows well. He almost always says that when he's talking about this issue. That he has a lot of Muslims he like.
So, I do think he has distinguished, I think he just focused on the people that are not peaceful, and that's what his campaign is about right now.
CARDONA: That is not enough.
BLACKWELL: But let me slip -- I want to ask you -- Maria, I come back to you and ask you about Hillary Clinton coming under fire now from the Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee as it relates to the 3,000 e-mails or pages of e-mails that were released early Friday morning, calling one of them disturbing.
I think we have a segment of this e-mail. She was responding to an aide who was giving her some information about the difficulty of sending a secure fax. And she responded with, "If they can't, turn into non-paper with no identifying heading and send non-secure."
The concern here is that she's instructing her subordinates to send her information that should be sent on the secure fax in a way that would jeopardize the security of that information.
CARDONA: I would say a couple of things here that are very important for your viewers, Victor.
First of all is that the State Department has already said that there is no indication that that e-mail was actually sent.
[07:30:00] Number two, let's remember that not everything that is created on a secure system is actually classified.
Number three, the information that she was talking about were actually talking points. And for the most part, by their nature, talking points are not classified material because they are used for public dissemination.
I would say to Grassley and to other Republicans, they need to come down. I understand they're desperate to try to find anything to knock Hillary Clinton down because she is so strong on national security issues versus a incredibly weak Republican bench on these issues that are so important to the American people.
FERGUSON: It is -- Victor, it's hard for me to imagine that you can -- in one sentence say that Hillary Clinton is hard on national security issue when she had no respect for the national security issues that she was in-charge of dealing with when it comes to being safe in securing e-mail.
There is no point of having a secure e-mail server or a secure e-mail system or classified information system if you have no regard for it when it's inconvenient to you. That's why she put the server in her house in a basement, in a bathroom, is because she didn't want to have her e-mails collected. You can say this is about bringing her down.
Hillary Clinton ...
CARDONA: It is.
FERGUSON: ... brought this upon herself. Hillary Clinton was the one that decide to break the rules. Hillary Clinton is the one that decide to separate her own e-mail system and put national security issues. When you're the woman in-charge of our foreign policy at risk, the only woman that she can blame for this is herself ...
CARDONA: And she's beating -- and right now, she's beating every single Republican on national security issue, so.
BLACKWELL: We got to wrap it there. Ben Ferguson, Maria Cardona, thank you both.
CARDONA: Thank you, Victor.
PAUL: Lot going on in the world, the FBI, for one, investigating possible terrorized after a suspect proclaims he shot a police officer "in the name of the Islamic State." Suspected gunman, Edward Archer, now in police custody and the FBI revealing Archer made two trips to the Middle East, visiting Egypt and Saudi Arabia.
The officer wounded in that attack is recovering in a local hospital this morning. His elbow shattered.
BLACKWELL: A New York police officer is recovering after getting shot in the ankle. The New York Mayor and police chief -- Police Commissioner rather, held a rare early morning press conference today.
They said Officer Sherrod Stuart was trying to break up a knife fight in the Bronx that broke out of the house party around 2:00 a.m. spilled out onto the street. Stuart is in stable condition at a hospital.
PAUL: And new details on the breaking news of Joaquin El Chapo Guzman's capture in Mexico. The Sinaloa cartel drug lord was captured in a daring raid that was really dramatic. He is back in prison now.
Officials say five suspects were killed, six others were arrested during this raid. El Chapo escaped last July from the Altiplano prison through an underground tunnel. CNN Law Enforcement Analyst Art Roderick is with us right now.
This escape, Art, that has happened twice has got to have people thinking, "Why would you put him back in the same prison from which he escaped already?"
ART RODERICK, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Yeah. You wouldn't see that happened here in the United States. I mean, we've obviously had our share of escapes here in the U.S., but you just don't put the individual back into the same jail that he escaped from.
But I think having said that, if you look at the arrest that were made after this escape, it sounds like they have basically got everybody arrested and convicted that was involved in that escape attempt last year. So, I think the facility obviously is fairly secure now and that they are watching him 24 hours a day.
Probably, they have somebody standing right outside the cell watching every move he's making, have them on video as they did before. But, hopefully the U.S. government is moving very quickly on getting the extradition papers for this particular trip back as what's going to happen -- what was going to happen last July.
PAUL: Right. When he -- just before he disappeared ...
PAUL: ... and escaped, he was going to be extradited to the U.S., he's facing drug charges in Chicago. How likely do you think it is that an extradition will actually happen?
RODERICK: I think it's definite. I mean, I know the Department of Justice has come out and says they may file. I think they absolutely are going to file. The escape itself was a huge embarrassment for the government of Mexico, and I think that the government of Mexico was open for this particular extradition.
As you recall about a month, a month and a half after his escape, we got 11 major cartel individuals that were extradited within 24 or 48 hours. Together, we flew them back here at the U.S. and some of those have already been sentenced and are in jail right now.
PAUL: All right, Art Roderick, I appreciate your insight. Thank you for being with us.
[07:35:01] RODERICK: Thanks, Christi.
PAUL: And we will have much more for you throughout the morning on this because there are a couple of other great interesting tidbits to this story that we're going to let you know about.
Also this morning, CNN is the only American news organization operating inside Pyongyang, as North Koreans celebrate this week's controversial and alleged hydrogen bomb test.
CNN's Will Ripley joining us live. So, Will, tell us about this exclusive look that you were able to get. The North Koreans newly- opened science and technology center, what did you see that stood out to you?
WILL RIPLEY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: When we arrived on the ground here, Christi, we asked to speak or some scientists about this test, because obviously, there's a lot of controversy about, was it a hydrogen bomb, was it just a regular nuclear devices, a lot of international experts are claiming.
And so the government officials who we're working with told us they were going to take us through a science and technology center, where we would be able to learn more facts about this.
And so we go to this building, a giant building in Pyongyang. It just opened up about a week ago. It is shaped like a giant atom and the center piece of the building is a rocket that was used to launch a satellite in the space about three years ago.
And -- but when we went there, we were able to speak with students who were there learning about their government's alleged accomplishment of exploding a hydrogen bomb, but there wasn't an actual scientist there to show us any proof.
So at this point, I can't say that we've had anybody actually explain the science by showing us tangible evidence. But I will say that we've talked to officials here who say, it wasn't DNA (ph) H-bomb, and that it was conducted with technology that prevented a significant amount of radiation from spewing into the atmosphere, which is why those U.S. sniffer planes that have been up trying to detect radiation in the sky. That's why China, South Korea and Japan have been detecting for a change of radiation levels.
They haven't found anything. The North Korean say it simply because the test was done with new technology and it was done far deeper into the mountain where the detonation actually happened, Christi.
PAUL: You know, you have such a good sense of this because you're right there in North Korea. What is the mood there after this test generally? And reactions from South Korea as well, I should ask.
RIPLEY: People are really -- yeah, people are really celebrating, universally. Everybody that we've talked to in the ground here is very happy about their nation's accomplishment. And that's because, you know, the propaganda here really does instill, from a very early age, the fear of an imminent invasion from the United States and its allies.
So, in this isolated country where people can't make a phone call can access the internet, they feel and they are told that at any moment, the United States is going to invade. And the only way to protect their country's national sovereignty is to develop nuclear weapons and missile technology and ways to defend themselves.
And that's why you also have the North Koreans on Friday claiming they launched another missile from a submarine to be able to attack their enemies if provoked.
PAUL: All right, Will Ripley, so appreciate your perspective as only you can give it to us there. Thank you so much.
BLACKWELL: Well, angry demonstrators on the streets of Germany at this hour protesting the country's policy on accepting refugees after a large number of sexual assaults on New Year's Eve.
PAUL: Also lawyers for the Laquan McDonald family say police bullied witnesses and told them to change their stories to the official version.
BLACKWELL: New this morning, in Germany, protesters are getting ready to demonstrate about the New Year sex assaults that had shaken the country. This comes after reports that dozens of women were groped and assaulted on New Year's Eve. And German authorities have identified 31 people, including 18 asylum seeking refugees as suspects. CNN's Correspondent Atika Shubert is live there from Cologne. What
are you seeing there this morning?
ATIKA SHUBERT, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: That's right Victor. I want to show you a little bit of the scene here on what's happening. On the left side over here, we have hundreds of protesters. A lot of them were coming from a solidarity, a show of solidarity at the Cologne Cathedral in support of those victims.
But also a number of them from the last spectrum there, they've been saying things like, "Refugees, welcome", you know, in light of the fact that 31 of the suspects identified by the police do appear to be asylum seekers caused a huge risk, I'm sorry, there's some sort of a bang that went off. I don't think we need to be worried just yet.
But to give you a sense of how tense things are, that's the left side of the spectrum. There's a whole bunch of riot police here because there are right-wing protesters over there, spoiling for fight on both sides, frankly.
They've been calling names at each other, making quite a few rude gestures and police are quite worried. They have this protest side by side, but there's a number of riot police here who are trying to keep them off away from each other. But it's bound to be a rowdy set of protests happening here and just be able to show how much anger and concern there is here as a result of those protests.
And the refugee issue is now squarely in the center of all this because of these assaults and because 31 of the suspects identified, of those, more than half are asylum seekers. That's why this has become such a problem (ph) take of an issue, Victor.
BLACKWELL: Atika, I know it may be difficult to hear me there and I want to take your guidance that it may not be something that we need to be concerned about, but that bang that we heard a few seconds ago, is that the first one you've heard today?
SHUBERT: That is the first one I've heard today. I'm not sure exactly what it was. We'll have to wait for police details. But people are very on edge here. We've already seen quite a few people taken out of the crowds by police, afraid of provocateurs on both sides of the political spectrum here.
The loudest group here is actually on the left-wing group. We can see it on there, they say, "No to fascist, no to racism, no to Nazism", that Germans should never return to that.
On the other hand, you also have right-wing protesters on the other side there. And they are saying, no to refugees, no to immigrants, no to a lot of the Muslim migrants that are trying to come in here. There's an ant-Islam demonstration happening over there.
In between, rows and rows of riot police to try and keep them separate. But, it is going to be tense now for a few hours. Hopefully, it won't descend into any kind of violence but that's why police are here. We'll have -- we'll keep you up to date, Victor, when we go into the
crowds and find out more about what's going on.
BLACKWELL: What we're seeing right now, just to better understand the lay of the land there, I see to your left on the right of the screen the crowd there shouting and chanting and we can hear the whistles, are they responding to a speaker or are they just shouting at people who are there -- the opponents on the other side shouting back at them?
[07:45:00] SHUBERT: Exactly. What we've got here are two opposing groups. And they're really sort of egging each other on. So, the left-wing group has been here for a while. And frankly, quite a few at the very front, they're spoiling for a fight.
As a lot of those from the right come out of the train station, they kind of throw insults at them. You see a number of them making rude gestures. That, of course, provokes a response from that side as they shout, it provokes the response from the right side and it's that kind of building of tensions that concerns police. And that's why you see so many of the riot police out here.
But it's also an expression of that public anger on all sides. People are upset and this is their way of expressing.
BLACKWELL: All right, Atika Shubert there for us in Cologne. And Atika, we'll be back with you. Hopefully you can get some information about what that bang was, if that was something that was detonated by authorities there or any declarative air force. We'll check back.
PAUL: Boy, and stay safe to her.
BLACKWELL: Yeah, certainly.
PAUL: Yeah. All right. A new controversy surrounding the death of a Chicago teen, attorneys say witnesses to Laquan McDonald shooting were threatened in order to change their stories.
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PAUL: New information out of Chicago in the Laquan McDonald case. There are allegations this morning that at least three witnesses to the police shooting were questioned for hours and threatened by officers, ordered to change their accounts to match the official Chicago police version of that shooting.
BLACKWELL: Now, that's a call according to the attorneys for the teen's estate.
You have CNN's Rosa Flores with a look at how they say it happened. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
ROSA FLORES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Chicago police detained witnesses for hours, threatened them, and asked them to change their stories about what they saw when Officer Jason Van Dyke shot and killed Laquan McDonald. All these allegations made by McDonald family attorneys and learned by CNN while scouring through more than 3,000 pages of e-mails obtained through a freedom of information request.
JEFF NESLUND, ATTORNEY FOR THE ESTATE OF LAQUAN MCDONALD: There were at least three eye witnesses that were in the drive through of the Burger King that were taken to a police station, separated, put in different rooms and interviewed by police, detectives, sergeants, lieutenants.
[07:50:06] FLORES: McDonald family attorney Jeff Neslund says, one of those witnesses, a truck driver told investigators he saw "an execution". Another allegedly started screaming, "Stop shooting", and after hours of interrogation and no sign of release, he says police asked witnesses to change their stories.
NESLUND: Code of silence, thin blue wall, I mean, I think that's an accurate description of what happened here, and quite frankly, it happens almost every fatal shooting.
FLORES: The police reports also obtained by CNN state that witnesses and police officers on scene either didn't see the shooting or saw what Van Dyke alleged, that McDonald raised his knife at Van Dyke, attempting to kill him. The release of the shooting video would later poke holes in his story.
"The City of Chicago responded in a statement saying, "The police actions surrounding this shooting are under investigation by the U.S. Department of Justice for possible criminal charges, and by the city Inspector General for possible disciplinary action. The public deserves answers to a number of important questions in this case, and we eagerly await the findings of those investigations."
(END VIDEO CLIP)
FLORES: Jason Van Dyke faces first-degree murder charges and has pleaded not guilty. The McDonald family attorney says that he's in contact with witnesses and at least one has testified before a grand jury. Now, let's make one thing very clear, no other police officer has been charged, but we do know that there's an ongoing federal investigation.
Rosa Flores, CNN, Chicago.
PAUL: Rosa, thank you so much.
Let's break this down with what's happening in the case, CNN Legal Analyst, Joey Jackson here. So these are obviously serious allegations. I saw you when we were watching that piece shaking your head. What is it, Joey, that stands out to you in this case? JOEY JACKSON, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: Christi, this is very significant.
You know, you look at a police department and you want to have trust and you want to ensure that they're engaging in things for the public good.
When you have allegations like this, that first you look at a video and you see what we all could describe on that video occurred, and then you have officers writing something to the contrary in terms of having Laquan McDonald lunge at Van Dyke when we don't see that, where he is wielding a knife so says the officers at Van Dyke when we don't see that.
And then you don't only have police officers who are writing to the contrary of what the video shows, but now you have the added allegation that they were intimidating witnesses to cover it up.
And so this makes it, you know, this really blows the lid off of things if true in many respect.
Number one, not only are you looking at administrative discipline of these officers at a minimum, if true, in terms of writing things that are pure fiction allegedly, writing things that are pure fiction but you're also looking at criminality. How?
When you intimidate a witness to say you saw something that you didn't see, when you invite witnesses back to the police station house to say, "I'll let you go home when you tell me what you saw, that wasn't it, right? Tell me exactly what you saw not what you say you saw." I mean, we're talking intimidating witnesses, we're talking about a conspiracy amongst officer, we're talking about filing public records falsely. And so, these are very significant.
And then the next question, Christi, becomes, who knew this and at what level did it go. Were these line officers who are simply coordinating their stories, all allegations allegedly, were they told or directed to do this by sergeant or superior officers? Did that what -- is that what happened? How high of a level did this go to, who know what, when did they knew it -- know it, and that I think is what the investigation has to unravel.
And finally, it gets to the point of, if this happen in this case, well, how many other instances did it happen and then should we not on earth every other type of activities police engage and to see if they told the story then, too. And so, this is a huge development, Christi.
PAUL: Right. Is it a he said, she said though, I mean, how do you prove that this happened? Did somebody basically within the department if it is true, did somebody have to crack?
JACKSON: In as much as there are actual documents that are attributable to these witnesses, it doesn't become a he said, she said because what you have are the witnesses looking at apparently records, right, in this freedom of informational request of what they say the witness statements were. And then you have those same witnesses saying, "I didn't say that",
or, "That's not what happened", or, "They coerce met to say that." Now, it's more than a he said, she said because you have a document that's actually materializing, right, putting on a piece of paper exactly what you say the witness told you, but then the witness is testifying and saying, "I never said that", or, "That's what the report says, I was coerce to say that."
And so this is huge.
[07:55:01] And certainly, when a federal investigation ongoing here in this case, I think it could blow the lid off of a lot of things and have a lot of political administrative and legal ramifications.
PAUL: All right, Joey Jackson, always appreciate your insight. Thank you, Joey.
JACKSON: Thank you, Christi.
PAUL: Of course.
BLACKWELL: Coming up at the top of the hour, the breaking news in Cologne, Germany. Live pictures we have for you. The heated protest underway right now, you see the police there standing between two opposing groups all stemming from the sexual assault allegations on New Year's Eve.
Riot police, they are out in full force. We have a reporter there in the crowd. We'll take you there live.
PAUL: Also, new details on the Clinton e-mail scandal. The Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee releasing a scaving (ph) statement yesterday calling on Hillary Clinton to "come clean" after the State Department released an e-mail in which she asked an aide to send information on a non-secure system after attempts to send the documents securely failed.
BLACKWELL: And we're beginning with the breaking news this morning. Out of Germany right now, hundreds of protesters demonstrating over the New Year sex assaults that has shaken the country. And this happens, of course, after the reports that dozens of women were groped and assaulted on New Year's Eve.
PAUL: These are pictures of -- from what was happening just a couple of moments ago. I want to wish you a good morning and welcome you. I'm Christi Paul.
BLACKWELL: I'm Victor Blackwell.
You know, just moments ago, if you were with us, you saw and heard the report there from Atika Shubert and we heard the bang in the crowd as police trying to control things, German authorities there have identified 31 people including 18 asylum seekers as suspects in that attack. PAUL: CNN's Correspondent Atika Shubert is there live, but let's
listen here to what happened just moments ago.
SHUBERT: ... due appear to be asylum seeker cause a huge risk -- I'm sorry, there's some sort of a bang that went off.