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Protests In Germany Over New Year's Eve Assaults; Muslim Woman Kicked Out Of Trump Rally; Trump Uses Bill Clinton's Affairs Against Hillary; El Chapo Back in Prison; Protests in Germany over New Year's Eve Assaults; Long Road to Recovery for Philadelphia Officer; State of Emergency Declared over Toxic Water; Jackpot Hits $800 Million as Ticket Sales Soar. Aired 8-9a ET
Aired January 9, 2016 - 08:00 ET
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[08:00:02] ATIKA SHUBERT, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Some type of a bang went off. I don't think we need to be worried just yet, but to give you a sense of how tense things are, there's a whole bunch of riot police here because there are right wing protestors over there spoiling for a fight on both sides, frankly.
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CHRISTI PAUL, CNN ANCHOR: All right, that was just a couple of moments ago. I want to bring Atika in now live and ask you, Atika, what are you seeing there now? Because it did seem to be getting very chaotic when we talked to you just a few minutes ago.
SHUBERT: The protests are going on both sides, but they have maintained how they were when I talked to you earlier. Just to clarify, the bang we heard, police now tell us it was a firework. So they don't seem to be concerned about that, but it just goes to show how tense things are.
Behind me, a slightly better perspective this time. Those are the left wing protestors. You can see them. They've been chanting. We're going to pan over here, and you can see the rows of riot police that are trying to make sure that commuters at the train station can get through.
And then beyond them, you can see the right-wing protestors. They're holding up a number of signs, as you can see. One of those signs saying "rapefugees not welcome."
This is a group that is clearly against refugees. It's an anti- Islamic movement. They have been campaigning for quite some time to stop refugees from coming in, to stop migrants from coming in, particularly those from Muslim countries.
So these attacks, these assaults, have played into these political divisions here in Germany, and it really brings things to the boiling point, as you can hear from the protestors behind me -- Christi. VICTOR BLACKWELL, CNN ANCHOR: Let me ask you, Atika, we know that the latest reports have 170 criminal complaints from New Year's Eve, 120 of them, women who say they were groped and assaulted, and now 31 people identified as suspects. What are authorities doing to identify, to find those 31 people, and have they arrested anyone?
SHUBERT: They have arrested some people, but it's really just been a handful, and this is part of the anger. Trying to find out how they will bring the perpetrators to justice. What police have said is they're still trying to establish the facts that happened on that night, on New Year's Eve.
It happened at the square right by the train station. It was completely chaotic. Fireworks going off, a lot of smoke and haze and hundreds and hundreds of people had crowded the square.
All that we know is that dozens of assaults happened, but there were about 250 pieces of video that police are now combing through to try and identify suspects.
As you point out, 31 people have been identified as possible perpetrators in those attacks, of those 18 were asylum seekers. That's really fueled the anger.
And fueled the divisions between those on the left who have welcomed refugees from the beginning, and those on the right who have opposed them.
So it really has caused those tensions to just get much -- much deeper. The divisions to become much deeper and the tensions to become much greater.
What the solution is going to be, we don't know yet, but what the government and the police have said is that the most important thing is to identify the people who did this and bring them to justice -- Victor.
BLACKWELL: All right, Atika Shubert, there watching this protest. These counter-protests in Cologne. We'll check back with you in just a few moments.
PAUL: CNN law enforcement analyst, Art Roderick, is watching this along with us here. So, Art, we saw the police there. We know, you know, they are dressed in their tactical gear, but when you've got two opposing crowds that seem to be as massive as they are, and we're going to show you these pictures here again, how confident are you in the controls that they can have there?
ART RODERICK, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Well, I've worked with the German police in the past, and they're very good at handling these types of situations, but this is a pretty volatile situation.
You can hear the shouts from each group and they seem to be somewhat in close proximity to one another. Hopefully law enforcement there in Germany will be able to hold them back. Now, I heard that initial report and heard that bang from the fireworks and I took notice of it, as did Atika there, your reporter there in Cologne, but also I didn't see much reaction from law enforcement or from the crowd, even if it was fireworks.
It seemed to me that I would have had more of a response if I was in that particular situation and I heard some fireworks go off in the background.
PAUL: Well, I guess in their defense, we don't see this from all angles. We're seeing it from the one angle of which we are seeing. But help us understand when we say they're dressed in tactical gear, how prepared are they? What are those police officers armed with in situations like these?
[08:05:04]RODERICK: Usually riot batons and shields. Usually helmets and face masks on, but the real forces are probably waiting in the back, hidden in the back, waiting to respond if needed.
So although you see a bunch of law enforcement officers out here, in the public view, on the camera view, there's probably a lot more hidden in the background or possibly staging in the train station to respond if the two crowds ever come together.
PAUL: So do you think that, perhaps, there is a perimeter around this entire situation, and that some of these officers may be plain clothed?
RODERICK: Absolutely. I'm sure they're mixing in the crowds. They're identifying agitators. Possibly removing them from the crowd, as we heard earlier, but I think knowing the German police, they probably have this very much under control and have enough officers hidden in the background.
Plus, this is by a train station. So, I mean, they have to keep the public being able to move in and out of that train station. So I'm fairly confident that the German police have enough law enforcement officers sitting in the background ready to respond.
PAUL: Art, when you have a situation like this, and let's say they identify somebody that they need to take into custody. As they do that, do you ever find that, that might amplify the situation and make it worse, if police start to move towards someone or does that help to diffuse the situation?
RODERICK: Well, it could actually do both. In this particular situation I think the key part here is to identify them and possibly charge them later. That's always a plan that a lot of these types of rallies that are this big and this volatile, that's usually the best technique to use. Identify them later. But it sounds like they've identified some individuals already and removed them from the crowd.
PAUL: Well, and I wanted to ask you about the 31 individuals that they've identified that they're looking for. Atika talked how they're combing through video from New Year's Eve, to try to find out exactly what happened. When you've got large crowds like that, how difficult is it to decipher what you're seeing and identify people in large crowds?
RODERICK: It is very difficult. I've done this on several occasions where I'm looking in large crowds for specific individuals that are wanted. It is very difficult, but if you can identify a couple of them, pull them in, a lot of those individuals will talk and tell you who else is around them.
So I'm very surprised that they have that many in custody, or at least that are going to be charged, 31 is quite a huge number. I know there was a lot more, but, you know, those individuals will talk and will probably identify others that were involved in these assaults.
PAUL: All right, Art Roderick, we so appreciate your insight on this. He's going to stick with us as we continue to watch the situation unfolding there in Germany. So far no violence. We certainly hope that will continue to be the case. But do seem to be seeing this amp up a little bit as the morning continues. But, Art, thank you so much.
BLACKWELL: When you see this video, imagine the response of people coming out of that train station and have nothing to can do with either protest?
PAUL: They are just thinking, what the heck is going on?
BLACKWELL: We'll continue to watch that.
PAUL: All right, another big story that we're following, too, of course, the recapture of Mexican drug lord, El Chapo, returning to the same prison from which he first escaped.
BLACKWELL: Plus outrage in Michigan over water contaminated with lead. A family talks about how they've been impacted.
PAUL: And later, do you have one of the hottest tickets around? Powerball. Will you be able to say jackpot? And will it go higher before tonight's drawing?
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BLACKWELL: Protestors getting kicked out of Donald Trump rallies we know is nothing new. We've seen it several times before. But last night in South Carolina in the town of Rock Hill a Muslim woman was escorted out for simply standing up as Trump questions the motives of Syrian refugees, saying, they are, quote, "probably ISIS."
This woman in the crowd, you see her there in the turquoise t-shirt, she stood up in protest and then that sparked a big disruption.
PAUL: CNN's Jeff Zeleny was there. He has more on what happened next and who this woman is.
JEFF ZELENY, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: Victor and Christie, Donald Trump attracts protestors pretty much everywhere he goes across the country, no exception here on Friday night in Rock Hill, South Carolina. He drew a crowd of about 6,000 to the campus of Winthrop University.
The rally was going on as it normally does, talking about immigration, his Republican rivals, and of course, Hillary Clinton, all of that fires up this crowd.
At about 30 minutes into the rally, something different happened, we noticed that there was a woman standing across the way, standing up, it turns out she's a 56-year-old flight attendant from Charlotte.
Her name is Rose Hamid. She is an American Muslim and she said she came to this rally so Trump supporters could see what a Muslim actually look like so she could talk with them.
She was standing silently and protesting as you can see, and she was suddenly escorted out. The crowd turned a bit ugly toward her as she was taken up the stairs by the policemen. Afterwards, she talked to CNN's Don Lemon about her experience.
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ROSE HAMID, MUSLIM WOMAN KICKED OUT OF TRUMP RALLY: What happened when the crowds got this hateful crowd mentality as I was being escorted, it was really quite telling of -- and a vivid example of what happens when you start using this hateful rhetoric and how it can incite a crowd where moments ago were very kind to me.
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ZELENY: Now, it was unclear if Donald Trump knew exactly what was happening during this rally. Again, not uncommon at all for there to be protesters happening and there were pockets of protests breaking out throughout.
But his crowds have been fired up about Muslims in the U.S. ever since he proposed to ban all Muslims from traveling to the United States. It's one of his central policy proposals now.
So he campaigns here in South Carolina, a very aggressive style of campaigning. Of course, South Carolina has the first in the south primary in just about a month's time. But his first focus is on Iowa. He'll be heading there on Saturday where he is locked in a title battle with Ted Cruz. A new Fox News poll out shows that Ted Cruz is leading Donald Trump. That's why he is spending the weekend in Iowa -- Victor and Christi.
PAUL: All righty, thank you so much, Jeff. Now that's not the only controversy, we should point out, surrounding Donald Trump. This week he's been going after Hillary Clinton by using her husband's infidelities against her. Chris Frates is following this angle for us from Washington. Good morning, Chris.
CHRIS FRATES, CNN INVESTIGATIONS CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Christie. Donald Trump continues to hammer Hillary Clinton by dredging up her husband's past sex scandals using Instagram, Twitter and campaign speeches, to troll the Democratic power couple, but so far they haven't taken the bait.
LENA DUNHAM, CLINTON SUPPORTER: The way that she's been treated is just more evidence of the fact that our country has so much hatred towards successful women and inability to separate their accomplishments from that of powerful men.
FRATES (voice-over): and taking what sounds like a veiled swipe at Donald Trump who is relentlessly attacking Hillary Clinton for her husband's sex scandals, a strategy of guilt by association, on Instagram.
HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Women's rights are human rights, and human rights are women's rights once and for all! Let's keep fighting for opportunity and dignity.
FRATES: On the stump.
DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: And she wants to accuse me of things and the husband's one of the great abusers of the world? Give me a break. Give me a break.
FRATES: And on Twitter. "I hope bill Clinton starts talking about women's issues so that voters can see what a hypocrite he is and how Hillary abused those women. The worst thing Hillary could do is have her husband campaign for her. Just watch."
A state Republican lawmaker even got it on the act heckling Clinton about her husband's sexual improprieties at a New Hampshire campaign event.
CLINTON: You are very rude and I'm not going to ever call on you.
FRATES: Bill Clinton says he won't fire back unless Trump becomes the GOP nominee.
FORMER PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON: I have no response. If he wins the Republican nomination, we'll have plenty of time to get involved in it. I have nothing except trying to help Hillary. FRATES: Trump says he went on the offensive after Hillary Clinton called him sexist, but admitted that if his attacks start hurting him with women voters he'd back off.
TRUMP (via telephone): I hit him pretty hard and maybe they won't be attacking me an anymore because I am somebody that has great respect for women, believe me, and I'll do a great job far better for women than Hillary will ever do for women. But I certainly can tone it down. There's no question about that.
FRATES: So the attacks are good politics for Trump. He's trying to hobble Bill Clinton just as he takes to the campaign trail to make his wife's case and Clinton bashing is popular with the Republican primary voters who deeply dislike the Clintons.
Now so much different story on the Democratic side where Clinton's rivals are largely avoiding this subject. In fact on Friday in Iowa, Bernie Sanders told a town hall that race should not be focused on the issues, it should be -- excuse me.
I messed that up a little bit, Christi. Bernie Sanders said that the race should be focused on the issues, not what he called Bill Clinton's disgraceful behavior -- Christi.
PAUL: We knew exactly what you meant, Chris. No problem at all. Chris Frates still with us there. Thank you, Chris.
BLACKWELL: All right, now to talk about everything we just heard, I want to bring in our political panel this morning, CNN political commentator and host of "The Ben Ferguson Show," Ben Ferguson, along with Don Baer, CEO of public relations firm, Burson-Marsteller, and also a former White House communications director during the Clinton administration.
Good to have both of you and Don, I want to start with you. I watched you in the monitor during that report on Rose Hamid in Rock Hill, and you started shaking your head. What's your reaction on what you saw there?
DON BAER, WORLDWIDE CHAIR AND CEO, BURSON-MARSTELLER: I think it's a shame that we're seeing the level of hostility that is being raised right now. I don't know Rose Hamid. She seems to be a well-spoken, intelligent woman. She was there peacefully, and it was not a good scene.
I think there is some very difficult anxiety hostile situations going on in our country right now. What we really need to be focusing on in this election more than perhaps at any time in my lifetime are the issues, the really serious issues that the country and the world is facing.
Economic growth, how to share that growth in a way that really helps everyone in this country. How do we deal with a very, very difficult world that has a great deal of hostility in it? How do we have the kind of stable, strong American leadership that will enable us to do all that, and it's a shame, I think, in a way to have these distractions.
BLACKWELL: Ben, we've seen from polling for a consistent period now that national security is the top issue for voters regardless of party affiliation, if they have no party affiliation and there are some concerns.
But how does Donald Trump or any other candidate strike a balance where you express these concerns, and you tell people you understand, but remember that if you're elected president you have to be a president for all people of all religions?
BEN FERGUSON, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, I think Donald Trump has pretty much said I'm going not to be political correct like all the other politicians in the Republican and the Democratic side, and I'm going to be the one that actually listens to your concerns.
A great example is what we're seeing right now in Germany. Those are the concerns that many Americans have. If you allow refugees in, you may not know who they are or who they're associated with.
We see the individual that shot this -- trying to assassinate this police officer in Philadelphia, do the same thing. So there is a point where I think there are voters who saying we're tired of being politically correct.
We want someone who understands this is a real threat to us. It's time that we stop acting like it's not and we want to make sure that we are protected and that our laws are protecting us.
And the way that we have people coming into this country, we make sure we know who they are instead of just saying come on in and we'll figure it out later. That seems to be something that's resonating with a lot of voters.
So this woman standing up, here's the thing, I don't think she's a victim, OK. She went there purposely to protest. The same way that a woman went to protest Hillary Clinton and her husband.
[08:20:02]If she says she's going to stand up for women and she says I'm a rape victim and you've tried to silence every person, who ever accused your husband of any sexual impropriety.
People when you're a protester, you're not a victim when you go in there to disrupt. When you're standing up and everyone else is sitting down, yes, that is peaceful, but don't act like you're a victim when someone asks you to leave because everyone is now focusing on you instead of what's happening at the event.
It would be the same if someone stood up on the front row of a movie theater. At some point, you're saying you're a distraction, even if you're being quiet.
BLACKWELL: Yes, but they typically don't yell at them, "You have a bomb."
FERGUSON: Well, I don't know who yelled that. That's what she's saying now. I know that the candidate didn't yell that and I know that there were people that she also said were very nice to her.
But again, she came in pushing an agenda. She wanted to become famous over this. She wanted to be interviewed over this. She wanted to the center of attention and the spectacle.
You're not a victim when you put yourself in that situation knowing that you're purposely going there to disrupt an event. That is what protesters do.
BLACKWELL: Don, let me come to you with this feud between the Clintons and Donald Trump. We heard former President Clinton saying that he's not going to respond until he is the general election nominee for the Republicans.
There has to be a balance that must be struck between staying above the fray and having your head in the sand. Have they struck that balance?
We understand that if things are ignored for an extended period of time, look back to 2004 in the swift boat veterans for truth that they can start to damage a candidate's narrative.
BAER: You know, this is an old story. The Republicans attacked the Clintons about their personal lives back in the 1990s during the period of impeachment. It didn't work well for the Republicans.
Newt Gingrich lost his speakership as a result of it. Republicans lost control of the House of Representatives. President Clinton left office with one of the highest approval ratings of any modern president.
He left office with the longest peace time economic expansion at that time that we had ever had, and the reason for that is that he, like Hillary Clinton now, stays focused on the issues that really matter to the American people.
How are we going to grow this economy? How are we going to share the growth in that economy? How are we going to be a strong nation in the world and be a leader in the world to help bring greater stability to the world and peace?
These are the things that people care about. I understand what Ben is saying about the concerns people have. I know that those are real. The essence of leadership is not to exacerbate concerns.
The essence of leadership is to point the way what you're going to do in order to help solve those concerns, and I think that -- I hope that this campaign is going to center on those kinds of things, and not on these personal attacks.
And I think those who focus on the real issues and how to deal with them for the American people are going to be the winners this year. FERGUSON: Victor -- with Hillary's campaign, look, bill Clinton, I've been saying this for a long time. He is her biggest asset and biggest liability. She made a really bad political mistake coming out and attacking Donald Trump on sexism when she has a liability that she knows exists with her husband, Monica Lewinsky, you know, every other accuser that's accused Bill Clinton of these things.
People know that Bill Clinton has a woman issue, but when you claim that you're somehow going to be this you know, champion of every woman that ever accuses someone of sexual impropriety yet you tried to silence and destroy every woman that ever accused your husband of something, this was just a dumb political move by Hillary Clinton.
She should have never gone there with Donald Trump. It's going to now be an issue in this campaign, more that it would have been before. If you noticed, no one else was talking about this until she somehow tried to act like she's a massive champion.
When if you look at the facts, every woman that ever got in the Clintons way, and this is true that tried to come after Bill Clinton, they tried to destroy their personal integrity, and that's wrong.
BLACKWELL: We've heard from the Clintons that they're going not to respond. We heard from the candidate herself she's not going to respond to many of these claims made by Donald Trump. We'll see if that holds. Don Baer, Ben Ferguson, thank you both.
PAUL: All righty. Next on NEW DAY, now the drug king, El Chapo, is back in custody. Why would Mexican authorities, a lot of people are asking, put him in the same prison from which he escaped? And is he going to be extradited to the United States? We have a live report for you from Mexico City.
Also we are following breaking news. Protestors in Cologne, Germany, you can see the plethora of police and S.W.A.T. team members that are on hand to try to keep things calm. We'll take you there as well. Stay close.
PAUL: It's 27 minutes after the hour. New this morning from Mexico, after months of eluding authorities, El Chapo is waking up this morning in the high security, Altiplano Prison. Yes, that same prison from which he escaped last July through an elaborate tunnel.
I want to show the new video we have here of him just minutes after he was caught by the Mexican Navy. This is following a deadly shoot-out and a frantic chase through sewers after he tried to escape through a manhole.
And here, I want to show this video of him being transported back to the prison from Mexico City and look at how authorities stopped him there, made him turn his head to face cameras and then they continued on.
CNN's Nick Valencia live from Mexico City. So this -- I was reading about how he was captured and I thought, this could be a movie script for all we know. Talk to us about what you've learned, and, really, how humiliating that moment must have been for him, when they turned his face to all of you?
NICK VALENCIA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Let's start there. I was there when the press conference happened yesterday at that airport hangar for the Mexico Attorney General's Office, and it was just remark chilling, Christi, to see a seemingly larger than life drug cartel kingpin reduced to being paraded in front of the media.
We were all there about 500 of us, an estimated a number of members of the media, waiting for that moment to see El Chapo. When he finally did emerge he was escorted by some Mexican soldiers and then at which point they stopped forcing his face towards the cameras for us all to see.
As quickly as he was looking at the cameras he was whisked away, put on that helicopter and taken to Altiplano Prison. You mentioned a lot of nerves about him going there. Not just among residents here in Mexico but also in the United States.
This is the same prison that he escaped from in July of last year. Granted it is different leadership. A lot of those prison officials that were in charge of the prison has either been fired or resigned.
But even still, this is the prison that El Chapo knows very well and the moment that he escaped was an incredibly embarrassing moment for the Mexican government especially President Enrique Pena Nieto.
Yesterday however we heard a much different tone, a tone of pride, if you will, from the president talking about the capture of El Chapo.
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[08:30:40] ENRIQUE PENA NIETO, MEXICAN PRESIDENT (through translator): This morning the municipality of Los Mochis and Sinaloa, members of the security institutions of the government of the republic managed to arrest Joaquin Guzman Loera.
His location, his following and recapture were the result of the joint effort of the corporations of intelligence and security and prosecution of justice of the Mexican state.
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VALENCIA: Of course, overnight we learned new details of perhaps what could have led to El Chapo's capture. And it's surprising, it could be his recklessness, perhaps his ego or carelessness that helped authorities capture him.
We're told that his representatives had reached out to producers, to actresses -- El Chapo wanted to make a movie about his life. And it was those producers and actresses who notified authorities that that was happening. Also there were informants and neighbors in the area who had seen that home where El Chapo was eventually pinned down in. They had people with heavy weapons there and notified authorities. But it was his ego, perhaps, Christi, that could have played just as big a role as any that led to his -- led to him being behind bars and his arrest -- Christi.
PAUL: All right. Nick Valencia -- thank you so much. We appreciate it.
BLACKWELL: All right.
When we come back, a Philadelphia police officer survives an attack by a gunman who says he was acting in the name of ISIS. This morning fellow officers are now speaking about how their colleague survived.
And we continue to follow the breaking news -- protestors in Germany. We've got the pictures here of the riot police standing between those who want to keep refugees from Syria and elsewhere out, and those who are saying welcome. This -- after 120 reports on New Year's Eve of women being groped and sexually assaulted, they're now looking for 31 suspects, 18 of them asylum seekers.
ATIKA SHUBERT, CNN CORRESPONDENT: 31 of the suspects identified to police do appear to be asylum seekers. It caused a huge rift -- I'm sorry. There's some sort of a bang that went off. I don't think we need to be worried just yet.
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BLACKWELL: You heard there the loud bang, the escalating and the shouting -- this is outside a railway station in Cologne.
PAUL: Hundreds of people, as you see there, have gathered to protest the New Year's Eve assault on dozens of women. German authorities have identified 31 people including 18 asylum seekers as suspects.
We are keeping an eye on that story. That bang, by the way, was just fireworks.
PAUL: It didn't seem to be anything threatening but we do have a live report for you straight ahead.
BLACKWELL: Yes, we're going to go back to Atika Shubert there between those two crowds.
[08:35:03] But now let's start in Philadelphia where an officer is recovering at a local hospital. This is coming after being shot three times in what police are calling an ISIS-inspired attack.
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CAPT. JAMES CLARK, PHILADELPHIA POLICE HOMICIDE UNIT: He stated that he pledges his allegiance to Islamic state, he follows Allah and that is the reason he was called upon to do this.
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PAUL: Philadelphia police officer Jesse Hartnett was seriously wounded but somehow was able to chase the suspect Edward Archer, even shooting him before Archer was apprehended by other officers.
BLACKWELL: Now, the investigation focuses in on possible terror ties as the FBI release new details about the suspected gunman.
Miguel Marquez is live in Philadelphia following this story. What have you learned this morning -- Miguel?
MIGUEL MARQUEZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, the police and the authorities -- the federal level -- are digging into every aspect of Edward Archer's life. The really incredible bit of this story is just how that officer survived this and how surprised he was by the shooting itself.
33-year-old Jesse Hartnett was on a routine patrol in west Philadelphia, had his window down. Somebody flagged him down. As he slowed to a stop to ask what was going on that's when Edward Archer rushed toward his window shooting over and over again.
At one point his hand was all the way in the squad car and then he ran off. And amazingly, that's when this police officer was able to jump out of his car -- his left arm at this point completely useless -- chased down the gunman, get at least one shot off that hit him in the butt so it allowed other officers to arrest him. And all this while talking to the dispatcher telling him his own condition, he was bleeding profusely.
Here's what his father had to say about his own son.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How are your spirits?
ROBERT HARTNETT, OFFICER HARTNETT'S FATHER: Spirits? Positive.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you get this call last night to come right here?
HARTNETT: Yes. They knocked on my door, and ringing my phone and I woke up and I'd seen Philadelphia police. I was hearing some -- they were excellent. Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What did they say to you?
HARTNETT: Well, there's been an incident. He's in the hospital and they didn't want to give me much information until I got here. They were very thorough. Yes. Excellent response -- scared me.
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MARQUEZ: I'm sure it scared the hell out of him. One of those bullets went through his bone, shattering the bone of that officer. Another cut through the artery. He has extensive nerve damage. It is a big question as to how fully he will be able to recover from all of this, but this entire city pulling behind him.
This, as authorities are digging into that life of Edward Archer. He didn't speak to police for quite some time and then when he did he made that very sort of inflammatory statement that "I believe in Allah. I pledge allegiance to the Islamic state and that's why I did what I did."
Now they are trying to figure out if there was anything behind that. Was he in contact with others in this country or overseas? Was he just reading stuff on the Internet? His mother did an interview with the Inquirer here saying that he suffered mental problems, had been talking to himself and felt that he was being targeted by police. Back to you.
BLACKWELL: Many, many questions, this complex investigation is just beginning. Miguel Marquez on top of it for us there in Philadelphia -- thanks so much.
PAUL: Let's bring in CNN law enforcement analyst and former FBI special agent Jonathan Gilliam as well as a naval intelligence officer, Naveed Jamali. Thank you gentlemen, both of yo8u for being with us.
Jonathan -- I'd like to start with you. Now that we know the FBI is involved in this investigation, they released the information about Archer's travel abroad. What happens from this point forward?
JONATHAN GILLIAM, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Well, I can guarantee you right now there's been massive database checks from the time this started until now. They're looking at any type social media he may have used and his phones.
It's really interesting because, you know, 50 years ago investigation -- I would even say 30 years ago -- investigations were so much different in that they weren't so focused on, you know, electronics and social media.
Nowadays, that's just the first place you go because there's a footprint, just like in the old days where they used to look at car tracks or footprints, physical footprints, now they're looking at electronic footprints. And they're also looking overseas at the data that may have been collected on any chatter to see if this guy was actually physically recruited and taught, and I think that's where they're going now to see if he had any connections overseas.
PAUL: Naveed, this is the fourth ISIS-inspired attack in the U.S. What was interesting is that police commissioner Richard Ross said when they were talking to him yesterday after he was in custody that he didn't implicate anyone but he seems adroit at navigating around those conversations.
[08:40:00] What do you make of that characterization of his ability to not give them the answers that they're looking for? NAVEED JAMALI, NAVAL INTELLIGENCE OFFICER: First of all, I want to
say that I'm hopeful that the officer recovers quickly and speedily and, you know, my thoughts are with him. Look, honestly, this seems -- there's aspirational, there's operational when it comes to terrorism.
This was not an ISIS-organized attack. This is most likely someone suffering from a mental disorder. And as awful as it is, it is just that and it just shows how difficult and dangerous policing continues to be. This is not Paris and it's important to distinguish those two things.
PAUL: Ok. And he brings up actually, Jonathan, what the suspect's mother has been talking about. She came out. She talked to the "Philadelphia Inquirer" and she said that Archer was quote, "kind of strange lately, he was hearing voices in his head". How do you distinguish what is truly a mental instability and what may have been a terrorist act?
GILLIAM: Well, you know, this is an interesting question that you're asking, because the fact is, if he did this, whether he's mentally deranged or not, and he did it in support of whatever his mind was telling him, whether it be because he's very religious and got recruited by the wrong people, at the wrong time, or if he has a mental problem and that's just what he connected to.
We have to see if he had contact with other people, and we have to, you know, really take into account what he's focusing on. Because here's the thing -- just because he never had contact over there, it still can be connected to terrorism in the way that he is carrying out the operations that ISIS can't do themselves, and so that's what a home-grown terrorist is all about is that they're a home-grown operative and they may just be inspired to pick up and do a simple attack like this.
PAUL: I'm wondering, Naveed, would you anticipate that ISIS would come out and, I don't know, claim this? Not claim it?
JAMALI: You know, sure, why not? I mean they'll take anything. They're terrorists. They want to take credit for anything that does exactly that -- causes terror.
But you know, going back to what Jonathan said. He's right. There are home-grown terrorists, you know, terrorists are inspired who had never left this country, who'd done nothing more than read the Internet. I mean we saw it in Chattanooga.
You know, this is a huge problem but it's also important to separate from an intelligence perspective when you're talking about something that is ISIS-controlled which is, there's money, there's backing, there's training, there's people that are sent specifically to a country as we saw in Paris with the specific goal of carrying out terror.
This is a very different thing, and it's important to note that, because it requires two different approaches for both detection and countering.
GILLIAM: Actually it's an evolution, really, is what it is in terrorism.
PAUL: It changes the -- the investigation certainly.
All right. Jonathan Gilliam and Naveed Jamali -- we appreciate both of you. Thank you for being here.
GILLIAM: You got it.
BLACKWELL: All right. Ahead on NEW DAY more of our breaking story in Cologne, Germany. Hundreds of protestors outraged over the New Year's sex assaults that have rocked the country. Counter protests happening there as well. We'll go back there live for an update.
And here in the U.S., outrage in Michigan over the water contaminated with lead flowing into Flint -- over 100,000 affected. Emergency measures are in place. But -- is it too late?
BLACKWELL: More now on our breaking news out of Germany: massive crowds here, protesting, chanting outside a railway station in Cologne.
PAUL: They're demonstrating over the New Year's sex assault that have rocked that country. CNN's correspondent Atika Shubert is live from Cologne.
Atika, I know that it got a little dicey there earlier this morning. We heard what seemed to be an explosion. I know that you have since found out it was fireworks, but what are you seeing there now?
SHUBERT: Things have calmed down a little bit in part because the right-wing protestors have gone for their march. So there's a bit more distance between them.
But I want to show you the crowds. We have some numbers from police -- 1,300 approximately protestors from the left side of the political spectrum here. These are protestors who have come to vote for solidarity, for the victims but also to continue to support the refugee policy in place in Germany. So you see a few flags that say refugees welcome, for example.
As you can see, they've completely cleared -- police have completely cleared the area in between. They're only allowing a few people who have train tickets to go through. Otherwise, it's been completely cleared.
The reason for that, as you say, those tensions were building earlier. Well, if you come around and see at the front of that, you've got a group here that's a lot more militant and they've been chanting at some of the right-wing protestors on the other side. That protest is now in the midst of its march. It will come back
around shortly, and then these, these protestors behind me will also do a march through the city as well. In between all of this are the rows of riot police. They're trying to maintain calm and so far, despite a few fireworks going off and despite a few threats shouted back and forth, things have been relatively calm -- Christi?
BLACKWELL: All right. Good. Atika Shubert there for us in Cologne -- thanks so much.
PAUL: Meanwhile, a state of emergency has been declared for thousands of people in Michigan months after researchers discovered toxic levels of lead in the water supply. This is really serious. Look at the bottle of contaminated water there. Men, women, children, all possibly filled their bodies with that stuff for more than a year.
CNN's Sara Ganim has the latest.
RHONDA KELSO, RESIDENT: I'm paying for poison. Paying for water that's -- a toxic waste.
SARA GANIM, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Rhonda Kelso and her 12-year-old daughter are among the many residents of Flint whose blood levels tested high for lead after the city switched its water source.
In an attempt to cut costs, city officials stopped getting the pre- treated water from the city of Detroit in 2014 and instead began using water from the nearby Flint River.
KELSO: The water would come in brown and my daughter was like, mom, you know, the tub. You know, to take a bath. Why is the water brown?
GANIM: Reporter: the problem was that the Flint River is 19 times more corrosive than Lake Huron, Detroit's water source, according to researchers at Virginia Tech and the city wasn't treating it according to federal law. Lead pipes began to corrode leaching into the water.
DR. MONA HANNA-ATTISHA, HURLEY CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL: If you were to put something in a population to keep them down for a generation and generations to come, it would be lead.
GANIM: Dr. Mona Hanna-Attisha is a pediatrician at Flint's Hurley Children's Hospital.
HANNA-ATTISHA: It is a well-known potent neurotoxin. There's tons of evidence on what lead does to a child, and it is one of the most damning things that you can do to a population. It drops your IQ, it affects your behavior, it's been linked to criminality. It has multigenerational impacts. There is no safe level of lead in a child.
[08:50:04] GANIM: After hearing her patients complain about water that looked and smelled and tasted funny, she decided to investigate.
Using publicly available data on lead levels in children in Flint, she found that the percentage of lead in kids doubled, even tripled in some places after the water switch.
HANNA-ATTISHA: When we saw it, when we saw that it was getting into children and when we knew the consequences of it, that's I think when we began not to sleep.
GANIM: Here's how this happened, the corrosive Flint River water goes from the plant to the water main to the service lines to homes. In Flint, the water mains are made of iron, which turn some of the water brown. And half of the service lines and pipes in Flint homes are made of lead.
For at least a year city and state officials denied anything was wrong. The former mayor, Dane Walling, publicly drank the water to make a statement.
DANE WALLING, FORMER MAYOR OF FLINT, MICHIGAN: In retrospect I regret all of it. All the way back to seeing the city move to a different drinking source because there's just -- you can't put a dollar amount on the devastation to our community, our kids. It was completely avoidable.
GANIM: Christi, we're here at the Flint Water Plant, but there's no water here. That's because in October the city actually switched back to the Detroit water source. The thing is that experts say that doesn't mean the drinking water in Flint is safe now, because the pipes were so badly damaged.
And the crazy thing about all of this is that the fix was about $100 a day. All of this could have been avoided for just that small amount of money -- Christi.
PAUL: Wow. All right. Sara Ganim -- we appreciate it. Thank you.
BLACKWELL: Filmmaker Michael Moore who is from Flint, Michigan is calling for the United States attorney general to prosecute Governor Rick Snyder over his handling of the Flint water crisis. Watch?
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MICHAEL MOORE, FILMMAKER: It wasn't caused by Mother Nature. It was caused by a governor who was trying to save a few dollars, and forced the city to stop drinking clean water, and instead drink poisoned water.
Listen, if they are at fault, I'm just as angry at the EPA. Obama, the Democrats, EPA -- nobody gets a pass on this. Nobody gets a pass on this. The children of Flint have been poisoned.
That lead, you can't get the lead out of the system, and -- they are going to have permanent brain damage. Their IQ level will never be as high as it would have been.
(END VIDEO CLIP) PAUL: Congressman Dan Kildee joining us now. He represents Flint, Michigan. Thank you so much, Congressman, for being with us. First of all, your reaction to what Michael Moore is saying. Do you believe the governor or somebody should be prosecuted in this case?
REP. DAN KILDEE (D), MICHIGAN: Well, the Justice Department has opened an investigation, and I welcome that. My view is, that who is responsible -- whoever is responsible for the decisions that led to this terrible crisis should be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law. And I trust that the Justice Department investigation will let the facts lead them to whatever conclusion they come to.
I mean my concern is not only that people are held accountable but the state of Michigan, who made all of the decisions that led to this, be held accountable and actually make it right, do the things that they can do to improve the situation for these kids, especially, who have been exposed to high levels of lead.
PAUL: No doubt it is an urgent situation to try to remedy what's happened already. Doctor Susanne Selig from the University of Michigan says that this crisis might not have happened had they been in a wealthier town. Let's listen to this for a moment, please.
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DR. SUSANNE SELIG, UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN: This crisis could have occurred elsewhere. It would likely not have occurred in an affluent community.
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PAUL: Is there some credence to what she's saying there?
KILDEE: Absolutely. I don't think, for example, that the decision to go to the Flint River water source, a decision made by a state emergency manager, ever would have happened in a more affluent community. I don't think the warning signs that the EPA raised, for example, with the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality would have been ignored in a more affluent community.
It's pretty difficult for me to imagine that there isn't a case here where there's a sense that people, at the state government, that they can just sort of write off places like Flint, Michigan.
Well, the people of Flint aren't going to let that happen, we're certainly not going to let it happen. And now is the time for us to hold them accountable for these terrible decisions that they have made -- individually accountable, but accountable to fix the problem. There are things that can be done. These kids can get help.
PAUL: But how do you do that? How do you fix the problem for these children? In other words, what do they need most at this point? Do you have a solid gauge on that?
[08:55:02] KILDEE: We do. And, of course, you can't erase the fact that they have been poisoned. PAUL: Right.
KILDEE: But there are things that can be done that improve their lives' trajectory. Early childhood education -- every single child should have every opportunity to get early childhood education, to get nutritional support. Not just that it's available but to make sure that that nutritional support is delivered to these kids.
It doesn't change the fact that they've been poisoned but we can help them overcome some of the developmental challenges that will come from this if we just listen to science. I mean they failed to even consult science when they chose the Flint River as their water source. But we know from research that there are ways to overcome developmental struggles, whether it's caused by lead or some other source.
KILDEE: The state of Michigan has a moral responsibility to make sure that every child who was affected by this is given every opportunity to overcome it. And they have to come up big and pay for that.
PAUL: Sure. And real quickly, Congressman, why did it take a year for this to come to light?
KILDEE: Well, mainly because people at the state of Michigan that were aware of these high lead levels, they were informed by the EPA, for example, failed to act.
PAUL: All right.
KILDEE: They just failed to act, for whatever reason. And even now, it's been three months since this came to light and the governor just came around to declare a state of emergency?
PAUL: All right.
KILDEE: There needs to be a lot more urgency with this.
PAUL: No doubt about it. A lot of people believe that, too. Congressman Kildee, we appreciate you being here. Thank you.
KILDEE: Thank you very much.
PAUL: And we'll be right back.
BLACKWELL: All right. Game day: lottery soaring to $800 million -- the largest jackpot in U.S. history. Of course, the game is not football.
PAUL: No. Sports anchor Andy Scholes is here with this particular game.
ANDY SCHOLES, CNN SPORTS: Yes. Who doesn't love talking lottery, right? It's the game that everybody wants to win the most -- right. BLACKWELL: Always a chance.
SCHOLES: So there are some numbers that I want to show you. Since the lottery expanded to 69 -- the range between 1 and 69 -- there are some numbers that have never been drawn. It's only been three months but still -- 8, 23, 24, 34, 35, 39 and 51 -- never been drawn.
So either those numbers are unlucky or hey, maybe they're due?
PAUL: That's right.
SCHOLES: You could pick all these numbers.
And I want to show you this other number -- this is astounding. Americans spend more money on lottery tickets than sports tickets, books, video games, movie box office and music combined. All of them put together don't add up to what we spend on lottery tickets. That's amazing numbers -- over $70 billion.
And things that are more likely happen to you than win the lottery -- struck by lightning, drown, being struck by lightning while drowning, a few things.
SCHOLES: There's also being struck by a meteor which is 1 in some big number that's not on there yet. But I'll tell you what --
PAUL: All right.
BLACKWELL: All right.
PAUL: Thanks, Andy. Good luck.
SCHOLES: Got a chance.
PAUL: Good luck.
SCHOLES: All right.
BLACKWELL: See you back here at 10:00.