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Following Results of Super Tuesday Part 2; Democratic Debate Wednesday Night in Florida; Sanders Leading in Michigan. Aired 10-11p ET
Aired March 8, 2016 - 22:00 ET
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[22:00:00] WOLF BLITZER, CNN HOST: Bernie Sanders, he was not ahead in the polls going into Michigan but he is ahead right now, 51.7 percent, 46.5 percent. Actually, it's a pretty significant lead right now. That's a lead of 27,415, 271,051 for Bernie Sanders; 243,636 for Hillary Clinton. That's a pretty significant lead with more than half of the vote.
Now in, Jeff Zeleny, you're in Clinton headquarters in Cleveland watching all of this. I guess they're not very happy right now, the Clinton folks when they see these numbers, although we're not yet ready to make a projection.
JEFF ZELENY, CNN SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: That's right. Well, Hillary Clinton is just finished speaking here a few moments ago and did not acknowledge the race in Michigan, did not acknowledge what is really going on that is consuming everyone inside her campaign. They were remember her campaign is pouring over these numbers county by county and they are seeing some concern in Wayne County which is Detroit, of course, may not have delivered as big of a margin as they were hoping.
Now these numbers are still coming in it is still early but they're also looking at Ann Arbor, of course home to the University of Michigan, not far from Detroit. They believe that Senator Sanders may be running up a big margin there as well.
So, the Clinton campaign, about an hour or so ago, Wolf, thought this would maybe be a three or point win or so. Now they do not believe that is the case. They believe this is incredibly close. They believe it could be less than 1 percent. And in fact, are uncertain at this hour, if they will even win Michigan.
Now, this is something that the campaign has been telling us for the last several days, that they did not believe public polling. That they believe those polls that show that she was some 17 points ahead weren't right. Now, we, of course thought they were trying to lower expectations, and in fact, they were.
But this is one sign, I'm told by a top democrat in Michigan I talked to a few moments ago, saying that the attack on the all the auto bailout rescue clearly didn't work. We don't know if it backfired yet, we'll have to look at these numbers here and see what the outcome is. But that trade message that Bernie Sanders was talking about for the last couple of weeks clearly resonated in Michigan. And it clearly if Bernie Sanders were to win, this would reset this race.
The Clinton campaign is still poring through the numbers and believe that they can pull out a victory, Wolf, but they're watching Wayne County, Ann Arbor and some other packets around.
And quite frankly, now they're not sure what is going on. They're looking at these numbers. And we'll have to wait for a while as these votes are counted, Wolf.
BLITZER: Right now he's ahead by what, 5 points, which is pretty significant, 53 percent of the vote is in.
BLITZER: That's a significant lead for Bernie Sanders right now over Hillary Clinton. It's just changed. Take a look at this, 56 percent of the vote is in. All of a sudden it got a whole lot closer, 49.9 percent for Bernie Sanders, 48.3 percent of Hillary Clinton, that's only a difference of 9,003 votes.
BLITZER: So, all of a sudden it got very, very close, 1. -- 1.5 if you will right now went down from 5 points. So, 56 percent of the votes is in. Bernie Sanders maintains a very slight lead over Hillary Clinton right now.
I want to go to Brianna Keilar, she's covering the Bernie Sanders campaign. What are you hearing from the Bernie Sanders folks? I don't know if they've got this latest number, 56 percent of the vote is in and it's all of a sudden gotten a whole lot closer.
BRIANNA KEILAR, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, Wolf, they've been watching this from the beginning, when even it was just 2 percent reporting and Bernie Sanders had a lead. And what one aide said to me was, well, it's nice to be in the lead even if it just for a little while.
So, that really reflects what they were thinking, that ultimately this would tighten and Hillary Clinton would win here. So, if Bernie Sanders is to win Michigan, if this lead even as it's tightening manages to hold, I think Bernie Sanders might be one of the most surprised people and those around him will be some of the most surprised people about this.
What they were hearing a short time ago from their modeler in Michigan was that the areas of Michigan that were more friendly to Bernie Sanders were outperforming expectations in terms of turnout. So, that was initially a very good sign.
But at the same time, as you heard Jeff they're talking to his sources, you know, they are certainly watching these areas that may be more friendly to Hillary Clinton, and the thought was that ultimately as that came in, that may slip away in favor of Hillary Clinton. But at this point, you know, they're watching and I think they're ecstatic about how close it is.
BLITZER: It's very close right now, 56 percent of the vote is in. He has, Bernie Sanders 49.9 percent, she has 48.3 percent. So, there's still plenty of votes left outstanding. He's ahead -- just changed, look at this, it just changed once again, 49.8 percent for Bernie Sanders, 48.3 percent for Hillary Clinton.
There's a difference now, he's ahead by 8,731 votes. Guys, stand by, let's not forget Dana and David, tomorrow night there's a debate that will air on CNN, a Univision debate between Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton. If it stays this close in Michigan, all of a sudden that becomes even more interesting.
[22:05:05] DANA BASH, CNN'S CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: It sure does. And, David, I've been talking to a source in Michigan, a top democrat, who is a Clinton supporter telling me a few things. One, the Clinton people are extremely nervous, despite the fact that they have been trying to lower expectations, they are very nervous about what they're seeing.
And second, you know, as always happens in politics when things are not going the way of a candidate, they are second guessing of strategy. And on this front the second guessing is that Hillary Clinton spent too much time focusing only on Detroit and Flint and not enough on other parts of the state.
For example, I was told that in Debbie Dingle's district, for example, she's a congresswoman from Michigan, Bernie Sanders was there 10 times and Hillary Clinton wasn't.
DAVID CHALIAN, CNN POLITICAL DIRECTOR: That's the Ann Arbor area, right?
CHALIAN: The University of Michigan.
BASH: Exactly, which would make sense, because it is a college town and at least that's part of her district. So, that's some of the second guessing. The other is, as we've heard sprinkled through all of our colleagues reporting tonight, the moment it' CNN's debate on Sunday night when Hillary Clinton went after Bernie Sanders for not supporting the auto bailout.
I was told just briefly that the vice president of the UAW, the United Auto Workers in Michigan, Cindy Estrada wrote on her Facebook page something pretty scathing. I'm not sure exactly it was this private, but about that being effectively what David Axelrod said a cheap shot. So, you know, the combination of those things certainly were not a positive in the last couple of days for Hillary Clinton.
CHALIAN: Our first clue about Michigan being closer than maybe any of us expected was that debate probably on Sunday night. One of the things that struck me as the debate was going on, I thought, wow, I didn't know if these democratic candidates had another debate in them. And they fully engaged, she launched this opposition research, you know, she just unloaded it on the auto bailout. So, clearly they knew that there was still a fight -- a fight to be had.
BASH: Well, it's very close but Bernie Sanders is ahead.
BLITZER: Yes. Well, I'm going to walk over to John King who is studying at the University of Michigan. I suspect we're going to learn a lot more about Michigan's geography population in the coming minutes and maybe even hour. That's 57 percent of the vote it is. Look how close it is 49.9 percent for Bernie Sanders, 48.2 percent. So, the outstanding vote where the people have been voted, does that sort of trend in his favor or her favor?
JOHN KING, CNN CHIEF NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: You can find examples of both. This is Ann Arbor, Senator Sanders head it down here about half an hour ago and it's back up here now. Hillary Clinton came back because of this. And we've been talking about this all night long, it's a very slow counting Wayne County.
This is your African-American population here in the city of Detroit and just around the city of Detroit. We're now up to 46 percent in Wayne County. Hillary Clinton had a very small lead until just a few moments ago. Big dump of votes came in Wayne County. She got up to 60 percent lead in the county. And you can see that there is, you know, 20 -- more than 20,000 votes, they're almost 24,000 votes.
BLITZER: And this is 18 percent of the population.
KING: Eighteen percent of the population. And we're just shy a half percent. So, if you think of -- think of that lead right there, 20,000 plus votes, if it stays the same, there's no guarantee of that. But if the other, you know, -- so there's potentially a big basket of votes there. You have to count Wayne County.
But -- but if you're the Sanders campaign, you're looking out here in Kalamazoo County, you're winning big, you still have a third of the votes to be counted. So, there is some little basket of votes for Bernie Sanders here in the population center. If you come over here to lancing only 39 percent of the votes counted in Ingham County.
And Sanders is winning by not a great margin but a decent margin there. So, if the trend continues there are votes there for him. Kent County which is Grand Rapids, only 6 percent of the vote in, Sanders with a huge lead. If he keeps that percentage are the rest of the votes comes in, there are baskets of votes for him here there.
But I want to come out here in just to the west of Detroit -- I'm down one, sorry, wrong tap. You come here in Washtenaw County and this is Ann Arbor, University of Michigan, the college town that Bernie Sanders expected to do very well, he has a 10-point lead, just shy of a 10-point led in the county so far, but less than 20 percent of the vote counted.
So, another basket of votes here for Bernie Sanders. If you come back over, if you look at the map statewide, Bernie Sanders is running it up in most of the state. A lot of these counties are very small. So, there's not a big margin.
This is the key for Hillary Clinton, Detroit and the suburbs. Look how close this is. This has been a fight for blue collar voters, the debate over the auto industry, the debate over whose economic plan is best. Oakland County, this is auto country just outside of Detroit, 50 to 47.
BLITZER: Most of these counties is in.
KING: Most of the -- yes, most of the counties is in. I just say this among blue collar voters, its suburban voters, largely white voters when you got here in the suburbs. This is Genesee County, this is where Flint is, Hillary Clinton was ahead by a larger margin early, only a little more of a quarter of the vote there.
So, this is -- this is a hand-to-hand combat race, if you will in the key county. And you come over here just outside of Detroit, we come up with just did in Oakland a moment ago. You come over to Macomb County, Hillary Clinton was leading earlier, Bernie Sanders now by small percentages has caught up in Macomb County, home of the so-called Reagan democrats, we're in Michigan area.
[22:09:56] Again, the areas where you have the auto industry, general dynamics and the like. Twenty three percent in the light, this is -- literally hand-to-hand combat, Rock'em Sock'em Robots for the blue collar vote in the Detroit suburbs.
The key to this race down here for the most part, we're still at 46 percent. You see her lead right there jumped up a little bit here. So, we're going to have to count the votes here. But there are even if Hillary Clinton keeps it running up here, still some pockets to Sanders votes out there. I suspect, my friend, we'll be counting for a while.
BLITZER: Yes, one percent different it's very, very close right now. State like 49.9 percent, 48.1, a little bit more than 1 percent. But it's a significant moment right now. It could still clearly go either way.
KING: And, look, the delegates will be roughly split if you keep this percentage but for Bernie Sanders, if he can keep that, it's so important for Bernie Sanders. Bernie Sanders wants to end the night with that. Bernie Sanders blue in the Midwest, even if it's by a couple hundred votes, even if it's a delegate split, that would be a huge moral victory for Bernie Sanders.
Hillary Clinton will end the night with more delegates because of down here in Mississippi. But Bernie Sanders, this is a battle ground. That could be game changer in the race.
BLITZER: Let's not forget, tomorrow night there is another debate between Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton in Miami. We'll be down there for that as well. it will be seen right here on CNN. Much more of this very close race in Michigan when we come back.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK) BLITZER: Take a look at Michigan right now. The democratic presidential primary. Bernie Sanders now 50.2 percent, Hillary Clinton 47.8 percent, 61 percent of the vote is in. That's a significant percentage. He's ahead now by 14,456 votes, which is a significant lead right now given this very close race but there are still plenty of outstanding precincts which have not yet reported.
We're watching this very closely. It just changed. Once again, there you see 61 percent of the vote in, 50.3 percent for Bernie Sanders, 47.9 percent for Hillary Clinton. Anderson, this could go on for a while. We're watching these numbers come in.
ANDERSON COOPER, AC360 SHOW HOST: This would be a big, big win for Bernie Sanders, if in fact he's able to pull out. David Axelrod, I mean, this is...
[22:14:57] DAVID AXELROD, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, we said earlier that the key was can he cut into her African-American support and can he build on the strong support he's got in working class white communities.
And looking inside these numbers, that's appears to be what's happening. She's not running the same kind of numbers in the African- American community that she has in some of these southern states which should been in the '80s. In some states even beyond that. It seems it's still formidable but more modest. So, that's her firewall is buckling a little bit.
COOPER: Why do you think that is in Michigan?
AXELROD: You know, it's hard to say. I don't know how into play over so -- Michigan has been caught with a lot of these racial issues that there is a reason for African-Americans there that they're less embracing of the status quo perhaps. I don't know. I would defer to you guys, you were over there this weekend.
VAN JONES, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, I will...
GLORIA BORGER, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL ANALYST: If you look at these numbers, I just want to check the numbers she is winning 65 percent of African-Americans, which is not as high as she's done in the south. And he is winning 57 percent of white voters, 73 percent of independent voters.
Of course, the younger voters, as we know, and the question about where she may be vulnerable is cares about people like me, which is important to Bernie Sanders and his coalition. He is ahead of her 57 to 39 at this point.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And trust and honesty.
BORGER: And trust and honesty. AXELROD: These issues have been dogging her throughout.
DONNA BRAZILE, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: But one of the issues -- one of the issues, I mean, you got to give credit where credit is due. Bernie Sanders is talking about the economy. He's talking about jobs and wages. He's not only talking about, you know, criminal justice reform. He had an ad out or something out on foreclosures.
African-Americans were hard hit by the foreclosure crisis. He really, I believe, ran a very strategic campaign targeting those voters. They lost their homes, they've lost their jobs and unlike in these other states where the Clinton campaign may have not put the sources, Bernie Sanders they put a tremendous amount of resources in educating people.
JONES: And not just...
BRAZILE: And I think that made a difference.
JONES: That's right. Yes. And not just the financial resources. They unleash people like Ben Jealous who are able -- they were doing the hard work of making the case. Part of the thing is it does take a little while to get your legs under you when you're trying to appeal to an African-American electorate.
When you're Bernie Sanders you never had to do that before. But you had Ben Jealous, you had a lot of others -- there is a younger African-American left. We always act like the black vote is just one thing. There's a left, there is a right, there is a center in every community.
And the African-American left came out, where they're talking about a Harry Belafonte, a Danny Glover, Michelle Alexander, and others making the case that the Clintons should not have a lock. And now you're seeing that beginning to pay off.
I also think that the trade message hurts across the board in the rust belt. I think African-Americans and whites and others are having a difficult time digesting this present global reality where our jobs seem to be on the auction block.
COOPER: Which is why you think in a general if it's Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, it spells trouble for Clinton.
JONES: Yes. But tonight, if this holds up what you're going to see is an improvement and he -- can he improve with the black vote? Can you improve? He said ghetto. He's going to make all black people mad. People aren't focused on that. They're focused on more important things. And if this holds up, you can see he has a case to make in the north.
MICHAEL SMERCONISH, THE SMERCONISH SHOW HOST: To Van's point, while the race is dead locked, what is absolutely dead locked, 47, 47 according to the exit surveys, union household households, they're split evenly between the two candidates. I think we're going to see a very interesting dynamic in the fall. The teamsters, the UAW, the AFL, CIO, they sat this out.
I think those votes will be up for grabs if in fact it's Donald Trump who is the republican nominee. He is going to compete like Reagan competed. He won't get the union leadership, I suppose, but I think he'll get a lot of rank and file voters.
AXELROD: And in fact, I'm getting e-mails from friends in Michigan who are looking at the more unionize countries, more blue collar unionize countries and they're seeing numbers for Bernie Sanders that they didn't expect and I'm sure the trade issue is part of what's driving them.
BORGER: Because she hasn't been there all along as Bernie Sanders point out every opportunity he gets. That Hillary Clinton called the TTP the gold standard and then change her mind about it. Now it's not the gold standard and she has supported NAFTA, et cetera, et cetera.
COOPER: She's now talking about claw back provisions but that's ultimately...
And this sets up I think tomorrow's night debate. This is going to be a fight for Latino voters, it's on Univision, it's obviously on our air, too. And Bernie Sanders has done well so far with Latino voters something like 30 or 40 percent.
COOPER: We're going to take a quick break. We expect to hear from Bernie Sanders any moment. We'll bring that you live any moment in just a moment.
[03:20:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BLITZER: We have a key race alert. What's going on in Michigan right now, the democratic side, 67 percent of the vote is in, Bernie Sanders maintaining his lead, growing a little bit in the last few minutes. He's got 50.6 percent to Hillary Clinton's 47.6 percent. He's ahead now by 20,480 votes.
That's impressive. It was not supposed to be like that, if you believed the polls going into Michigan. He's got a lead right now. We'll see if that changes as more votes come in. We're watching Michigan very, very closely right now.
By the way, we're going to be hearing momentarily, we're told, from Bernie Sanders. He's about to make a statement. We'll have live coverage of that. He wasn't supposed to but he's probably very, very happy with what's going on in Michigan right now. Let's go over to John King.
Take a look at the outstanding vote, he's ahead, he's got a nice little lead right now, you know, you have to give him a lot of credit. But you got to wonder if 68 percent of the votes is in, there's still a lot of votes that are not in.
KING: A lot of votes out. And some of them were in a place where she's winning big. That would be right down there in Wayne County. As more of these votes have come in, which is go over to halfway mark down here. As more has just come in she's open up this bigger lead. She would probably like it to be above 60, 58.6 is pretty good. She probably likes to be above 60, I get to the math here.
But if you look at this, 23,000 votes, right, 23,000 votes plus a few hundred of 51 percent. So, if you double that, there is no guarantee of that, but just assume the vote came in double that, let's say she had 23 -- 23,000 more votes there, well, that would put her ahead of Bernie Sanders, if she got that. If that's how Wayne County came in, essentially the second half came in exactly as the first half. Again, no guarantee if that one way...
BLITZER: That's the biggest county.
KING: That would put her up there. But, look, there are a lot of places where Bernie Sanders is running well ahead of her that still have votes out. A third of the vote out here in Kalamazoo. Bernie Sanders getting 65 percent.
You come back up, come over here in the middle of the state, the state capital lancing Ingham County only little less that the vote count, Bernie Sanders with an 8-pont lead in that state. You come over here just west of Detroit, you get here the Washtenaw County this is where Ann Arbor is, University of Michigan, less than half the vote counted, a healthy Bernie Sanders lead. So, there are lots of places on this map. You can find places where there's still Sanders votes out, too. So, it's not the Clinton vote out.
BLITZER: By the way, it just went up to 69 percent.
KING: That's what I want to check here. It went up to 69 percent but no more from Wayne County. So, as the statewide percentage goes higher we'll keep checking Wayne County. If it stays at 51 percent, you can assume there's a basket of votes out there and Hillary Clinton is likely to get the bulk of them given the trend there.
[22:25:02] But to the point David Axelrod was making earlier, Oakland County, blue collar, important in both republican and democratic primaries. Just to the north of Detroit, 51 to 47. If you're the Clinton campaign, you wanted to do better there.
This is even more striking, Macomb County. Historically, the county people focus on when they talk about so-called Reagan democrats, blue collar democrats who, back in those days went over and voted republican, Bernie Sanders at 50 percent right now. A lot of votes still to be counted in Macomb County. So, there is no
guarantee that hold. But this is -- this is literally arm wrestling for the blue collar voters that Bernie Sanders says "I will help you, you're getting shafted." Hillary Clinton says he's overpromise to you, "I will help you," and she talks about Bill Clinton's economy.
Remember, Bill Clinton went into these counties, Wolf, back in the day, you remember it well, to sell free trade not the current trade. Hillary Clinton is still to the left of her husband on that. But as you watch the economic debate play out, just look at the map, it speaks volumes.
Bernie Sanders is winning most of the counties in Michigan, most of them are pretty small. So, every though he's winning.
But again, in a very close race, you know, 43 percent of the vote, in a very close race, a couple hundred votes matter. So, you look at the map and you find this little counties where some of the voters still out.
And Bernie Sanders is winning. It tells you, yes, the Clinton campaign can look at Detroit, and say, if turnout -- if they get the turnout they wanted they're getting a pretty percentage. There are some votes to be gained here. But I can find a lot of places on this map that also tell me there's a lot of Bernie Sanders votes still out, too.
Now we're going to be counting I suspect, what do we call it, CNN after dark?
BLITZER: Yes. That's 71 percent of the vote is now in. Bernie Sanders 50.6 percent. Hillary Clinton, 47.6 percent. He is doing very well much better than the polls suggested he would do, very impressive night irrespective of whatever happens for Bernie Sanders right now in Michigan.
But, Anderson, the debate that we'll air on CNN tomorrow night at 9 p.m. Eastern in Miami between these two democratic presidential candidates should be lively.
COOPER: Yes. And no doubt about that. Play more even a lot of people thought it might be. We're also expecting live comments from Bernie Sanders tonight. We're going to bring those to you as soon as they happen. Obviously we'll cover that live.
But Donna Brazile, let's cover the -- let's continue the conversation. Does the race change in terms of the expectations for Hillary Clinton? And did she have to now kind of recalculate or rethink the strategy in terms of how seriously she's taking Bernie Sanders?
BRAZILE: Well, first of all, I think they've been taking Bernie Sanders very seriously, especially after New Hampshire. But no question, if Bernie Sanders is able to begin to attract a broader -- a broader base of the Democratic Party, then absolutely.
I mean, look, Illinois, Ohio next week, Missouri. I mean, if he's been able to make an argument on trade, on jobs, on wages, on home foreclosures...
JONES: And that's a sleeper issue.
BRAZILE: That's a sleeper issue.
JONES: And then do you think that...
BRAZILE: I find that to his Wall Street message.
COOPER: And that plays better among African-Americans in the north than south?
JONES: People forget the African-American community lost about half or more of our wealth in the home crash. The African-Americans for a lot of reasons don't play the stock markets. It seems like it's playing the numbers. So, good for him to ask for any growth, we don't do the stock markets. We go straight and with...
BRAZILE: Don't tell white people our secret.
JONES: Listen, it's late, it's getting late at night. Notice that every time there's an African-American entertainer get to a contract what does he say, I'm not going to buy stocks and bonds, no.
I'm going to go buy my mother a house. That home ownership is so important to us culture because he was denied. And so, when we put so much money into our homes and those homes were gone, we were devastating especially in the north.
And so, that is the big sleeper issue. Bernie Sanders went on the air with an ad about that issue. And I'm getting response from people, that moved the needle. So, that connects with Wall Street in a very different way.
AXELROD: Can I raise a different kind of real estate issue, and that's the real estate Hillary Clinton is holding right now in terms of the delegates. She's got a substantial lead right now pledged delegates more than Barack Obama ever had in the race.
And because -- and tonight, she's going to net out whatever happens in Michigan, she will net out ahead of Bernie Sanders and add to her lead because she did so well in Mississippi. And Donna knows this math more than anyone else.
Once you get a lead like that in this -- in the nominating fight, because of proportional delegate apportionment, it's very hard to catch up.
COOPER: But just yesterday she was saying on the campaign trail and John King was talking about and saying maybe she might want to rethink actually saying that or she was still until Michigan, she was saying -- she was simply saying, you know, the sooner we get these votes over the summer I can turn to Donald Trump and I can turn to the general...
AXELROD: I mean, I think that she won't clinch, if she clinches, she's not going to clinch until May. And as we've said before, the thing that drives candidates out is money. Bernie Sanders has a spirited group of donors and millions of them and he will be in the race to the end, if not to win the nomination, then to push the Democratic Party in the direction of responding to these economic issues.
[22:30:03] BRAZILE: If he wins tonight, we could go to June; we could have a repeat of 2008. And tonight, by the way, just my little delegate map, she will come out ahead regardless of the results by at least 20, 22 delegates because of Mississippi.
BORGER: You know, Anderson, I was just communicating with a senior democrat from the State of Michigan. This person said I predicted this for three weeks, that Hillary Clinton was not campaigning in the right places and this person says that they have to pivot on their demographics.
You just can't depend on African-American voters, you have to understand the trade issues, the issues that Bernie Sanders is playing to. And this person says we'll know sort of within the next half hour. And I would say this person is a Hillary Clinton supporter, who was very upset about the way the campaign was conducted as we say.
JONES: Well, I mean, he did -- you did have Bernie Sanders also. He was fighting for his life.
JONES: I mean, he spent money, he deployed surrogates, he threw ads up, and he did everything he possibly could. Hillary Clinton was playing a bigger map.
BORGER: She was pivoting till she's done election, right?
CARPENTER: Well, you can talk about Hillary Clinton changing her tactics. But listen, I am from Genesee County which is home to Flint. I watch that every closely CNN invested a lot of time the resources and drawing attention what's going on there, it was great.
I saw how Hillary Clinton was messaging that. She put out this graphic on Twitter that said "I'm going to explain the Flint water crisis." This looks like something that some gradual assistance have Photoshop into a complaint of every single thing wrong with Flint.
It talked about racism, it talked about, you know, bad infrastructure, it talked about poor education. It didn't talk about the problem. Bernie Sanders can talk about the problem and relate it to voters. Hillary Clinton cannot relate these issues to voters in a meaningful way. And I think that's the core problem.
AXELROD: You were there. HENDERSON: I was there. I saw her. She was in Flint, Michigan. She
went to an African-American church, 800 or so people there. They were very drawn to her message. She got a standing ovation. This was mostly African-American women. It looks like she's doing well with African- American women according to these polls.
But again, I do think Bernie Sanders speaks to kitchen table issues and he speaks in a way that I think is very easy to understand, it's on a, you know, ninth grade level or so and that's a good thing. It's almost like Donald Trump.
BORGER: Can I just say they have one more debate left in them. They are saying tomorrow night -- tomorrow night is going to be amazing.
JONES: It's going to be ugly.
BORGER: You say ugly.
BORGER: I thought there at last debate they were very engaged, right?
HENDERSON: I think for Hillary Clinton the question is, can she really go that negative on Bernie Sanders. Oftentimes, women when they go negative they pay a higher penalty of male candidate, so it will be interesting to see if she can do that.
COOPER: Let's take a closer look at the numbers where the race is now, Wolf and John.
BLITZER: Thanks very much, Anderson. John, it's 75 percent of the vote is in. And he's still maintaining a lead. I think it's a significant lead right now, 50.6, 47.5 percent. He's doing really well.
Twenty five percent of the vote is outstanding. But going into this night he was not supposed to do as well if you believed all the polls going -- coming into this primary.
KING: Every poll I saw coming in showed a Hillary Clinton lead, some of them show a pretty healthy Hillary Clinton lead. So, Bernie Sanders, you know, there is more victory in keeping it very close. He would much rather prefer the real victory. And at the moment he's on track to get it but we have a lot of votes to count.
Twenty five the counties you noted, 57 percent to 47 percent or round it up if you want, 51 to 48 percent. Let's come down here we're up to 54 percent here. And Hillary Clinton, this is Wayne County, the largest county in the state and where Hillary Clinton is hoping the African-American vote delivers the state.
BLITZER: It's 18.4 percent of the population.
KING: Yes. By far, the largest county in the state. Where just -- she's just shy of 60 percent. She may want that number to be up a little bit higher. Again, as we count the votes, it's not just the percentage, too. The question is, what are the final turnout numbers? Did they get to their targeted turnout level?
Jeff Zeleny there earlier saying I think they were somewhat concerned, perhaps they haven't turn out enough African-American votes in the Detroit area, so let's keep an eye on this. The margins pretty good for her. Like I said, she probably like a little bit more healthy. We have a lot of votes just slightly fewer than half of the votes in Wayne County still to come in.
However, if you look at that and you say, OK, there is a big basket of votes for Hillary Clinton enough to make up that math, maybe. But again, as we talked about earlier, there are still some places when you look around. OK, this have come in. Now up to 97 percent, that's a big dump in the last few minutes.
So, Bernie Sanders winning big in Kalamazoo County but not much more for him to get there so you pull out of that. And if you're running the models in the campaign headquarters that's what they do. What's still out there, how many votes do we think are we going to get from here? Let's move over here.
Still a decent amount of votes out in the center of Lansing, the southern center part of the state. Again, healthy Bernie Sanders lead. If he can keep that margin there, that will help him with the overall math.
I just want other place out west. I want to check Grand Rapids and Kent County. Again, two-thirds of the votes still to be counted. That's a healthy Bernie Sanders lead. And that means it could be a couple thousands more.
KING: But no guarantee. But if that trend continues and the math, there's some more votes for Bernie Sanders there.
[22:35:01] And again, we come just west here, come down what I keep touching a little bit to the north there. Oops, come down here. College County here, Bernie Sanders still more half of the votes to be counted, 10 point plus 12-point lead, 11-point lead in that county.
So, the biggest basket of votes is right here in Detroit. And if there's high turnout and if the percentages sticks, there's math here for Hillary Clinton. But I'm telling you as we get higher in the statewide count, I'm saying there is a still place for Bernie Sanders to get votes, I'd be encouraged in the Sanders campaign.
We talked a few minutes about this. The last time we talk, what was that, five or eight minutes ago, Bernie Sanders was leading in Macomb County, now Hillary Clinton is leading but look.
BLITZER: How close it is?
KING: Seventy something votes. BLITZER: Yes.
KING: Seventy something votes literally arm wrestling in the blue collar of Macomb County here. Oakland County you move to the west here, down and close here where close in Detroit suburbs up here, Mitt Romney's home county if my memory is correct. That gets more affluent. When you move up here, Hillary Clinton, again, a very narrow lead when you get into the Detroit suburbs.
So, in there -- in what you want to call the auto part here, there's a good struggle for the state right now and we're up to 76 percent. Bernie Sanders has been holding that lead steadily. So, they're happy inside the Sanders campaign. But both the Clinton and the Sanders are wondering what's going to happen as the final votes come in...
BLITZER: And we're standing by to hear from Bernie Sanders. He can be very happy. Irrespective of the outcome, he's done a lot better than most people thought he would do based on all of the polls.
Big debate tomorrow night, the Univision debate that you will see here, right here on CNN. Bernie Sanders as well in Michigan a week from today, whether it would be in Ohio or Illinois, this bodes well for Bernie Sanders right now. We'll take a quick break. Much more right after this.
BLITZER: We're counting down to the next closing. Idaho on the republican side they will close all the voting at the top of the hours. We'll see what we can do at that point.
In the meantime, let's get a key race alert right now to update our viewers. First of all on the democratic side, a very dramatic race between Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton. Seventy eight percent of the vote is in. Bernie Sanders maintaining a lead, a significant lead right now, more than 25,000 votes. He has 50.7 percent, Hillary Clinton has 47.4 percent.
[22:40:03] Still 22 percent of the vote is outstanding. We'll see what happens in Michigan. Very close right now but Bernie Sanders maintaining an impressive lead.
On the republican side, earlier we projected, Donald Trump is the winner. Right now in Michigan with 64 percent of the vote counted, Donald Trump has 36.7 percent. But look at this fight for second place between John Kasich and Ted Cruz.
Kasich with 24.7. Cruz with 24.6 percent. Doesn't get much closer than that. A very close race for second place in Michigan between John Kasich and Ted Cruz. For Marco Rubio, a very disappointing fourth place, only 9.2 percent.
If he stays under 15 percent, he will emerge from Michigan -- he will emerge from Michigan with zero delegates from Michigan. There's a 15 percent threshold you need in Michigan.
I want to go to Brianna Keilar. She is watching what's going on for us. She's over in Miami at the Bernie Sanders headquarters. We're told, Brianna, that Bernie Sanders is going to make speech shortly. Is that right?
KEILAR: Yes, that's right. He's actually at his hotel here in Miami and he is about to have an unexpected press availability and talk to reporters. And here I am, I'm at his completely empty former campaign rally site, which tells you everything you need to know.
This is not exactly how the Sanders campaign thought tonight was going to play out. This is so much closer than they thought. I guess you could say they're pleasantly surprised, that's an understatement. But they think this is a very, very big deal.
I spoke with Jeff Weaver, Bernie Sanders' campaign manager and he said "We can't complain right now." He thinks that it's the auto bailout messaging that Hillary Clinton pursued that really back fired on her. He thought that it played in to some voter suspicions that Hillary Clinton wasn't playing it straight with them because he felt that voters really didn't doubt that Bernie Sanders was on the side of the automakers.
I'll tell you also there a lot of long-time supporters here in Florida or even watching from afar, one who had just left the rally thinking that ultimately Bernie Sanders was going to leave, sent me a text while just grabbing a casual dinner and little advantage, said, "wow Michigan," this is what they expected, win or lose, Wolf, this is something that they are going to consider really puts a lot of wind in the sails of Bernie Sanders' campaign.
BLITZER: Especially looking ahead to next week, Ohio, Illinois, states with similar demographic as in Michigan. All right, Brianna. As soon as we hear from Bernie Sanders, we're going to take that live. Of course, we've been saying, you know, you got to give Bernie Sanders a lot of of credit in Michigan. It was not supposed to be this close and he's doing remarkably well.
BASH: That's right. And, David, you and I have been talking about the fact that the Clinton campaign had been trying to lower expectations for the past couple of days, I'm already getting e-mails saying remember, if you look at the delegate numbers in Mississippi, she's still going to do quite well tonight which is true but...
CHALIAN: Yes, it is true. I mean, she will emerge tonight with a delegate lead. There is no doubt. A couple of things though on this Michigan thing to look at.
First of all, the folks on the other side of the studio were talking about the generational divide that exists among African-Americans. We see it here more than anywhere else. The younger black voters under the age 45 are splitting 51 percent Clinton, 49 percent Sanders. That's the closest we've seen in a group of young black voters in any state that we have exit polls so far this year.
BASH: Because it is mostly gone mostly for Hillary Clinton.
CHALIAN: Yes, it had gone wider margins for Hillary Clinton than we're seeing here. Now Bernie Sanders has really cut into her African- American support by winning over what has been her traditional base, young voters more broadly. Now it's happening that they're splitting young African-Americans.
The other point I want to make and I was just looking back. Right now we're seeing the Michigan electorate at 68 percent white. Iowa, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, so she lost New Hampshire, she won Iowa barely, she won Massachusetts in a very close contest, those are the only three other states we have exit polls for where the white votes was 68 percent or higher.
So, I feel like we're seeing sort of what the threshold is for her and what that means for the states upcoming is something the Clinton campaign no doubt will look at.
BASH: It's so fascinating. Now let's just quickly talk about the republican race. Because you know, Donald Trump obviously did well tonight. We'll see how well the others do when it comes to the delegates split.
But the thing that we need to look at and you're looking in the screen just in Michigan now, 9.2 percent, neither Michigan nor Mississippi looks like we'll give Marco Rubio any delegates.
So, goose egg tonight for Marco Rubio, which when you're already down in the delegates behind -- way behind Ted Cruz and Donald Trump and you're trying to get momentum into Florida, that's not helpful.
CHALIAN: Right. This is devastatingly bad for these two states for Marco Rubio. There is still Idaho and Hawaii tonight. And he may be able...
BASH: Where's the Rubio campaign reminds ourselves...
CHALIAN: ... to win some delegates there. But this is -- this is just brutal. Two big states, these are the big delegate prizes of the night. To not just be in fourth but to be below the threshold, they're going to have a tough time making an argument.
[22:45:06] Again, he gets a pass just like John Kasich gets a pass to their home state.
CHALIAN: They get to make that battle. But it just puts all the more pressure on Marco Rubio now. Florida becomes more do or die for him.
BASH: And John Kasich is going to get some delegates tonight.
BASH: In Michigan, I'm not sure what the numbers are right now in Mississippi, we'll see maybe not but certainly in Michigan he has been making a big play for Michigan. We should point that out. And as tonight was starting, the Rubio campaign sent an e-mail out noting that all of his eggs have already been in the Florida basket and that's what the Rubio campaign has been saying all day long.
Remember, we haven't even played in these states over the past weeks because they're so, so focus on those 99 delegates in Florida because it is winner-take-all and it's his home state.
BLITZER: Yes. And David makes a good point. We're still waiting for Idaho which closes at the top of the hour for the republicans, and Hawaii, which closes -- which really opens at 1 p.m. Eastern -- excuse me, 1 a.m. Eastern.
So, we got a couple hours to go. We'll see how all those republican candidates do in Idaho and Hawaii. We know how they did in Mississippi and Michigan.
Anderson, we're waiting for Bernie Sanders momentarily. He's going to be meeting with the reporters in Miami, he's getting ready clearly for the big CNN/Univision debate tomorrow night in Miami.
COOPER: And we'll continue, we'll have to bring that conversation to our viewers live, as we continue in conversation though, with our panel right here.
I mean, Marco Rubio has been making the justification for staying in that that he's picking up, at least picking up delegates, even if he's not doing well. Well, tonight, I mean, those numbers are...
BORGER: Yes. No, as Dana was saying, goose egg. And the other numbers that I was looking at tonight is generally in these races we've seen the late deciders, Rubio is very popular with late deciders. And tonight, not so much. While there are few late deciders, because there were fewer candidates, in Michigan late deciders went to John Kasich and Mississippi late deciders went to Ted Cruz.
COOPER: What's behind this -- I mean, is it a collapse? Is it based on the attacks he was...
AXELROD: Sure, it looks like a collapse for me.
COOPER: Right. Is it based on the attacks he was doing against Trump that he didn't go up?
AXELROD: I think that he basically threw himself on the grenade there, you know, for everybody else.
AXELROD: They're the beneficiaries or perhaps he threw the grenades for everyone else and got the return fire. But he, you know, for a guy who started off speaking to people's hopes and aspirations, to become the hit man and the point man with, you know, body humor and all of that, he -- I think he looked diminished in this process and I think he really paid a price for it.
We should point out, Anderson, that the project the stop Trump project relied on Trump losing Florida and enfeebled Marco Rubio is a great scenario for Donald Trump. Because he is the one who Trump fears in Florida. And if he can't do it it's hard to see any of the other candidates overtaking Trump by next week.
HENDERSON: You know, also never clear whether or not -- I mean, I think it is clear now that Marco Rubio was never able to connect with blue collar, white voters, who are so important in the states. His message, as Van was talking about before, was about, you know, sort of the rainbow coalition of the Republican Party.
And that's not necessarily a message that resonates broadly in some of these states like Ohio and Michigan. We'll see if it works for him in Florida, we'll see if he's able to do well, for instance, in Florida with Latino voters. A lot of Puerto Rican voter -- Puerto Rican voters there but, you know...
COOPER: Michael, before you join here I just want our viewers to know what we're looking at. This is really the definition of a hastily called news conference, not a lot of signage, no supporters...
AXELROD: None of his personal products.
COOPER: No. Right. No personal products. Well, that I'm not surprised about, but go ahead, Michael.
MICHAEL SMERCONISH, THE SMERCONISH SHOW HOST: I'm making observation. First of all, about what we're about to see because I'm unaware of any poll going into this election that showed that Bernie Sanders was ahead of Hillary Clinton in Michigan.
SMERCONISH: So, even if he should end up losing by a whisker, I really think he's earned the right to proclaim that this is a victory tonight. And as I am studying the internals and trying to figure out what exactly went wrong for her.
Again, I'm drawn to the number that says 90 percent of his supporters do not regard her as honest and trustworthy.
SMERCONISH: She's really dogged by that figure. With regard to Rubio and Florida, there's just not a path where he can get to 1,237 before Cleveland. He's got a lot of long hard thinking to do in the span of the next week. And some of those who may want them to stay in...
COOPER: Let's listen in.
SEN. BERNIE SANDERS, (I-VT) DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I think we are in the midst of a very tight race. It is not clear yet who will win this election here in Michigan, but I just want to take this opportunity to thank the people of Michigan, who kind of repudiated the polls that had us 20, 25 points down a few days ago, who repudiated the pundits who said that Bernie Sanders was not going anywhere.
And I want to thank the many thousands of volunteers that we had in the State of Michigan for knocking on doors and for making the phone calls that created this kind of enormously successful night for us.
[22:50:07] In the last week, we have won three caucuses and two of them with record breaking turnouts. And whether we win or lose tonight in Michigan, basically the delegates here are going to be split up because of proportional representation.
And what tonight means is that the Bernie Sanders campaigned the people's the revolution, people's revolution that we are talking about, the political revolution that we are talking about is strong in every part of the country and, frankly, we believe that our strongest areas are yet to happen.
We're going to do very, very well on the West Coast and other parts of this country. What the American people are saying is they are tired of a corrupt campaign finance system and super PACS funded by Wall Street and the billionaire class.
They are tired of a rigged economy in which people in Michigan, people in Illinois, people in Ohio are working longer hours for lower wages, worried to death about the future of their kids and yet, almost all new income and wealth is going to the top 1 percent. And people of American are tired of a broken criminal justice system in which we have more people in jail, largely African-American, Latino, and Native American, more people in jail than any of the major country on earth.
So, we started this campaign as many will remember 10 months ago. We were 60 or 70 point down in the polls. And yet, we have, what we have seen is in poll after poll, state after state, what we have done is created the kind of momentum that we need to win.
So once again, this has been a fantastic night in Michigan. We are very grateful for all of the support that we have gotten from this state and we look forward to going to Illinois, Ohio, Missouri and the other states that we will be competing in next week. Thank you all very much.
COOPER: That was a very brief statement by Bernie Sanders. We thought he might be actually talking to reporters or answering some questions. Clearly not. He was doing that from Florida, where obviously now moving forward the focus of the next week for him is the State of Florida and the big primary on Tuesday. But clearly, I mean, this was an unexpected boon for Bernie Sanders.
AXELROD: Oh, yes. I don't think there's any question. I think -- I think there was concern on the part of the Clinton camp that this would closer than people expected.
COOPER: But we saw the former president out there, Chelsea Clinton as well.
AXELROD: I don't think there was an expectation on...
AXELROD: I don't think there was an expectation that Sanders could actually -- would actually win the primary, which he may be in a position to do. And either way you'd have to say it was a really strong night for him. The question is what does it portend for the future?
Illinois, as I mentioned earlier, now polling there is astronomical in her favor right now, she was born there, she's got roots there and a 24 percent, 25 percent African-American base there, North Carolina large African-American base, Florida a large minority base.
But if Bernie Sanders starts cutting into that base, given the numbers he's been showing among white voters and particularly white working class voters, you know, it will become more interesting. She still has a great advantage in delegates, but, you know, this will be interesting for some time to come.
COOPER: All right. Let's go back to Wolf and John.
BLITZER: We're taking a close look at the State of Michigan right now because it's 85 percent of the vote is in. So, 15 percent of the vote is still outstanding, 50.9 percent for Bernie Sanders, 47.1 for Hillary Clinton. He maintains, this is a nice -- a nice little lead right now going in with 85 percent of the vote in.
KING: I can find places to show you that there's s math for Hillary Clinton to make this up but it's getting increasingly hard to do so, Wolf. Right now, Senator Sanders, as you know, is keeping that lead consistently were up t 85 percent.
Still very close and the main point the Clinton campaign is waiting for this down here in Wayne County. We keep coming back to Wayne County all night long, it's the largest county in the state. You see 18 percent of the population. It's also a large center of the African- American vote.
In Detroit, Hillary Clinton needs that vote. She's winning 57 percent. I think she'd like that number to be closer to 60. It may seem like a small difference but that could be the votes that make the difference here.
Bernie Sanders getting 41 percent. Again, we're going to watch the last third of the vote come in in Wayne County. It's enough to make the difference if there's high turnout if she keeps that percentage. But I'm guessing at the end of the night she's going to wish that percentage were a little bit higher.
Why do I say that? Macomb County has been a back-and-forth tug of war all night long, 48.8 to 48 percent. This was the laboratory in the 1980's where they studied the so-called Reagan democrats.
[22:55:01] It may be a laboratory in this campaign as you have these two democrats fighting to say who's the best economic messenger for blue collar workers. Wow, what a fight. What a fight for a big county, an important county in the State of Michigan.
You move over next to Oakland County. As youngest out here, Mitt Romney's hometown as more affluent down here. You've done some blue collar, a narrow lead for Hillary Clinton in the suburb here. That's very close and you can see the point is not many more votes to come in. Hillary Clinton has a lead but not much more to come in.
If you walk across the southern part of the state, I'll start in the west, Kalamazoo, Kalamazoo County up to 97 percent now, big college county here. Bernie Sanders winning by a huge margin.
You come over back to the center of the State, Lancing, the Michigan state, crowds have been ad at me all night, I've been talking about this as a state capital, Michigan State as well. Bernie Sanders with a big lead right there in the college town.
The youth though, in addition to making inroads among African- Americans college age voters is going to be part of the Bernie Sanders win. If he pulls this out tonight, Washtenaw, this is where you find the University of Michigan huge lead for Bernie Sanders, still some votes to be counted.
So, even as you make the case, Wolf, that we're waiting to see what comes in the Wayne County and it's the population center when a big dump comes in, it can be a sizable amount of votes.
But there are votes here for Hillary Clinton still, but as I showed you there are also a lot of places that Bernie Sanders is winning by decent and in some cases, wide margins where the votes still out there.
So, as you look at this right now we're up to 86 percent. He has a 4- point lead. The trend line is going in the way that Sanders campaign likes but we still have a little more math to do.
BLITZER: And of you take a look, he's got a lead by about 32,000 votes which is a significant number with what, 86 percent of the votes now in. It's hard -- it's going to be hard for Hillary Clinton to overtake that 32,000 votes in this very close, in this critically important State of Michigan right now.
KING: She needs a giant vote dump from Michigan's counties and I'm not sure if there is enough votes there.
BLITZER: Yes. And how many votes are still outstanding in Wayne County?
KING: Still 64 -- we only have 64 percent in. So, there is still a big chunk of votes there. And again, you got lot, when this one goes up by 5 or 10 percent, you get a big chunk of votes. But she's getting dangerously close to...
BLITZER: Right. And it is almost 20 percent of the state right there. All right, Anderson, back to you.
COOPER: Thank you very much. We've been joined now by Bakari Sellers, you're a Clinton supporter what do you make tonight.
BAKARI SELLERS, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: This is a good showing for Bernie Sanders. I mean, Bernie Sanders needed to do extremely well, he need to broaden his base in Michigan with the African-American voters. he did that, he cut into African-American voters through voters under 45.
But Ax may remember this, as a former big time supporter of Barack Obama, this eerily reminds me of New Hampshire back in 2008, when everything was going Barack Obama's way, when we thought that after Iowa, Barack Obama, he was up at the polls, 13, 14, 15 points and then New Hampshire came in and it just didn't show up that way.
So, I think you'll see a little recalibration but next Tuesday, super- duper, Super Tuesday, you then have, you have Florida, you have North Carolina. The demographics are still there and it will be up...
AXELROD: But it would be who the campaign, the Clinton campaign to think about what happened here and to think about how they're going to address what is very real out there. I think that there are people in this economy who do feel like the deck is stacked against them, who do feel like the game is rigged.
And the question is how do you speak to those people in an authentic way and give them confidence that you're going to advocate for them in the way that is expected.
PETER BEINART, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Because the issue is Hillary Clinton is not going to be an insurrectionist. She is not going to be the person who comes in. She can't say the system is rigged. She's been at the center of the system for decade.
That's also the flip side of her strength.
AXELROD: You know that she has been saying it.
BEINART: But I mean, but that's why she can't say it with this kind of authenticity. She now, to be fair, what she has going for is that people think she's experienced, she knows how to run a government. She's practice -- she knows policy. But I think there is a limit to which she can re-change her message to try to change it to be something she's really not. BRAZILE: Bernie Sanders found out that you cannot allow Hillary
Clinton to run up her totals with the minority voters. Hillary Clinton has to finally figure out how to, you know cut into the youth vote and to be able to be competitive within the...
BEINART: And white people. I mean...
BRAZILE: Oh, you can say it that way.
SELLERS: What Hillary Clinton -- Hillary Clinton tonight is the white vote -- the white voters especially in Michigan we've been seeing it but as more pronounce in Michigan have been feeling away from Hillary Clinton.
I mean, that's just to put it very bluntly but very accurately. And so, we have to see, the Clinton campaign has to see how they can recalibrate and talk about these issues of trade but talk about it on a level which Van Jones talks about often, would you talk to people's pain, what you talk to people specific pain that they are going through whether or not it's foreclosure or whether or not it's the economy.
And so, you have a test in North Carolina, you have in Ohio. And Bernie Sanders is picking up statement this race is going to go forth.
CARPENTER: Ohio could be a problem.
BORGER: And Ax and I were just talking about the poll that you mentioned in Illinois where she's far ahead, but if you look at the trade issue and the resonance of that in a state like Ohio, that could be a problem.
COOPER: We're coming up at the top of the hour. I want to toss to Wolf for our continued coverage. Wolf?
BLITZER: Anderson, thank you. Let's recap where the elections tonight stand. Let's start with the winners that we know of right now.
[23:00:01] Donald Trump he's the winner of the republican primary in Mississippi. Donald Trump is the winner of the republican primary in Michigan. Hillary Clinton, she won the Mississippi democratic primary. So, there was three winners.