Return to Transcripts main page


Democrats Clash in Final Debate; Liverpool Remembers Hillsborough Victims; North Korean Missile Launch Fails; Activists Demand Government Action to Rescue Chibok Girls; German Comedian's Poem Sparks Free Speech Debate; Sanders to Speak at Vatican Conference; Royals Trek to 17th Century Monastery. Aired 10-11a ET

Aired April 15, 2016 - 10:00   ET





ROBYN CURNOW, CNN HOST (voice-over): Ahead at the INTERNATIONAL DESK, Clinton and Sanders trade attacks during a feisty debate.

North Korea's failed missile launch.

And Nigeria's senate demands answers in the search for the Chibok girls.


CURNOW: Hi, there, everyone. Welcome. I'm Robyn Curnow.

Well, it was the most contentious debate yet between the Democratic rivals for the U.S. presidency. Front-runner Hillary Clinton and challenger

Bernie Sanders met in New York for their last scheduled debate, less than a week before Tuesday's New York primary. The candidates clashed over gun

control, Wall Street reform and Israel. CNN's John Berman shows us the fireworks.


JOHN BERMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): You want contrast?


BERMAN (voice-over): You want contentious?

HILLARY CLINTON, FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Describing the problem is a lot easier than trying to solve it.

BERMAN (voice-over): You got Brooklyn, a high-tension, high-drama debate befitting the high stakes of the moment. From the start, Bernie Sanders

blasted Hillary Clinton's judgment.

SANDERS: I question a judgment which voted for the war in Iraq and I question her judgment about running super PACs.

CLINTON: This is a phony attack that is designed to raise questions when there is no evidence or support to undergird the insinuations --

SANDERS: Thank you.

CLINTON: -- that he is putting forward in these attacks.

SANDERS: Thank you, Secretary.

BERMAN (voice-over): But nearly every Sanders salvo was met by a Clinton call for specifics, including his suggestion that she is in the pocket of

big banks.

SANDERS: When millions of people lost their jobs and their homes and their life savings, the obvious response to that is that you got a bunch of

fraudulent operators and that they have got to be broken up.

That was my view way back. And I introduced legislation to do that. Now Secretary Clinton was busy giving speeches to Goldman Sachs for $225,000.

CLINTON: He cannot come up with any example because there is no example and it's always important -- it may be inconvenient but it's always

important to get the facts straight.

I stood up against the behaviors of the banks when I was a senator. I called them out on their mortgage behavior.

SANDERS: Secretary Clinton called them out. Oh, my goodness, they must have been really crushed by this.

And was that before or after you received huge sums of money by giving speaking engagements behind them?

BERMAN (voice-over): Speeches for which Hillary Clinton still says she will not release the transcripts.

CLINTON: Let's set the same standard for everybody. When everybody does it, OK, I will do it.

BERMAN (voice-over): The Brooklyn brawl ran so hot at times, the fighters needed to be separated by the ref.

SANDERS: I am sure a lot of people are very surprised to learn that you supported raising the minimum wage to 15 bucks an hour.

CLINTON: Now wait a minute, wait a minute, wait, wait --

SANDERS: That's just not accurate.

CLINTON: I have stood on the debate stage with Senator Sanders --

SANDERS: Excuse me, whoa, Secretary, Senator, please --

CLINTON: I have said the same thing, if we can raise it in New York or Los Angeles or Seattle, let's do it.

WOLF BLITZER, CNN HOST: If you're both screaming at each other, the viewers won't be able to hear either of you.

CLINTON: I have said from the very beginning that I supported the fight for $15. I supported those on the front lines of the fight for -- it

happens to be true.

SANDERS: Well, I think the secretary has confused a lot of people. I don't know how you're there for the fight for $15 when you say you wanted

$12-an-hour national minimum wage.

BERMAN (voice-over): Then were decisions about contrition, Clinton offering an apology of sorts for the 1994 crime bill her husband signed

into law.

CLINTON: I'm sorry for the consequences that were unintended and that have had a very unfortunate impact on people's lives.

BERMAN (voice-over): But Sanders, when pushed, with no apology for his positions on gun control.

SANDERS: I don't believe it is appropriate that a gun shop owner who just sold a legal weapon to be held accountable and be sued.

BERMAN (voice-over): Including no apology to families of victims of Sandy Hook, who have criticized his opposition to some lawsuits against some gun


SANDERS: No, I don't think I owe them an apology. They have the right to sue and I support them and anyone else who wants the right to sue.



CURNOW (voice-over): John Berman reporting there. CNN, of course, will have all-day coverage of the battle for New York. That's coming up next

Tuesday, right here on CNN.

For the final time, an annual public tribute is being held in Liverpool, England, for the 96 football fans killed in the Hillsborough tragedy. They

died in a human crush at a Liverpool match 27 years ago today. "WORLD SPORT's" Alex Thomas joins me now from London.

A minute's silence to be held very soon.

Why is this the last time?

ALEX THOMAS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: After 27 years since the Hillsborough tragedy, Robyn, the families of the victims feel that it's time for

closure. One of them has been quoted as saying that it's time to draw a line under it.

And they will still carry on remembering the victims on April 15th every year. But they want to do it in their own personal way. They have had to

fight a very public battle, indeed, to just get an official inquest into it.

What we're going to do now is show you some pictures from Anfield Stadium, where Liverpool Football Club play because they're about to hold the minute

silence now.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Twenty-seven years ago, six minutes past 3:00, a match hardly started, yet ended and hundreds of lives changed forever; 96 did not

return home. We stand in silence to remember, to give thanks for the gift of their lives to each and every person.

You will never walk alone.

CURNOW: Heads bowed, heavy hearts 27 years after the Hillsborough disaster, when 96 fans were killed.

Alex Thomas, you're with me. This is not just happening at Anfield. We know across Liverpool bells will toll 96 times, flags will be flown half-

staff. This is a tragedy, a disaster that still is very much felt by the people of Liverpool.

THOMAS: Yes, Britain's biggest sporting disaster but has had an impact around the world, because, as a consequence of the lives that were lost

back in 1989, football in this country changed forever.

And one of the major changes was bringing in all-seater stadiums in. That was one of the things that helps make the Premier League so successful,

which has become the richest football league in the planet.

But it's been also a very personal tragedy to those relatives, friends and family of the victims, because, as I said, they've had to fight so long to

get an official inquest.

And at the moment, we're at the stage where the jury have retired to consider their verdict into that inquest, which is not a criminal trial but

will establish the facts as to how the 96 died and why.

There was an inquest back in 1991 that delivered a verdict of accidental death. But that verdict was quashed by Britain's high court in 2012. It

took two decades just to get that original inquest thrown out and a new one ordered.

And all the time, every year there was these sorts of memorial services held and it has to be remembered that of those 96 fans, seven were women,

89 were men; the youngest victim was just 10 years old. More than a third of victims were actually aged under 20.

And these were just 96 people that went off to see Liverpool Football Club play in a big cup match at a neutral venue in Sheffield and never came

home. And it's taken this long to get to the bottom of it. And that should emerge when the jury come back to deliver their verdict, although

we're not sure when that is.

This inquest, Robyn, has taken --


THOMAS: -- more than two years to be heard and it's taken the judge three months just to sum up that evidence. So the jury has a lot to wade

through. It has to come back with answers to 14 key questions delivered by the judge when he ordered them to retire.

CURNOW: Yes, and all of whether or not the police particularly, the authorities acted unlawfully, whether these fans were killed unlawfully.

Thank you very much, Alex Thomas, on a very sad day.

Let's move now to North Korea, which is drawing criticism from its major ally after a failed rocket launch.

China says Pyongyang should guard against further worsening tensions. The failed launch reportedly happened early Friday morning on the country's

most important holiday of the year. Well, CNN's Will Ripley joins us now from Pyongyang.

Hi, there, Will. Good to talk to you from Pyongyang.

What do we know about this failed rocket launch?

WILL RIPLEY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, according to South Korea and the United States, this happened around 5:00 am Pyongyang time. They say that

in just a matter of seconds after the launch occurred, whatever was launched, which they believe might have been a midrange missile,

essentially blew up in midair. So the U.S. and South Korea calling the launch a failure.

Here in North Korea, there has still, many hours later, been no official announcement about this, no confirmation from the government, no

acknowledgement that it even happened.

So the day of the sun celebrations, celebrating the birthday of the founder, Kim Il-sung, went on as scheduled with a huge flower show, an even

larger fireworks display this evening and a mood in the capital of celebration, just no acknowledgement of what the outside world is calling a

missile test failure.

And given the fact that North Koreans, even a lot of them have smartphones these days, they don't have Internet access. They don't have access to

outside media -- most people who live here, the vast majority, will never know this happened -- Robyn.

CURNOW: And this, of course, coming at a time of high tension on the peninsula.

RIPLEY: It is. The U.S. and South Korea war games have been going on for almost a month now; 17,000 U.S. troops, 300,000 South Korean troops.

This really large -- one of the largest-ever shows of force by the United States and South Korea coming after some very provocative actions by the

North Korean regime, led by Supreme Leader Kim Jong-un, beginning on his birthday week in January with that purported H-bomb test.

Then one month later, a satellite was launched into orbit on a long-range rocket. There's been activity spotted by spy satellites at some of the

nuclear facilities and a lot of observers of this country suspect that there will be more nuclear tests and more missile tests as well.

Just because this one mobile missile launch attempt failed certainly doesn't mean that North Korea won't try it again and try to perfect the

technology, learning from their mistakes.

We saw it back in 2012, when the first attempted satellite launch in April failed but then eight months later in December, they put a satellite up

into orbit.

And so, this is something that we could expect to see happening repeatedly, the message being from the North Korean regime that they are going to

continue to invest heavily in their weapons programs, despite international sanctions, because they feel it's key to their survival.

CURNOW: Thanks for your perspective there from Pyongyang. Thanks, Will.

Well, this is the INTERNATIONAL DESK. Nigeria's government is responding to a video that aired on CNN showing some of the missing Chibok girls.

Details on a senate vote and what one senator is telling us about CNN's reporting. That's next.

And this comedian offended the Turkish president on German television and now he's facing prosecution in Germany. That just ahead.





CURNOW: Some joyous moments in Southern Japan after a baby is rescued from her earthquake-ravaged home. The 8-month old was pulled out unharmed after

a rescue that took six hours. Her mother and grandmother were pulled out alive a day earlier.

At least nine people were killed in the 6.2-magnitude earthquake. What a moment of relief there. Hundreds more were injured and more than 40,000

were forced from their homes.


CURNOW: Nigeria's senate is demanding updates on the missing Chibok girls after a proof-of-life video showing some of them aired on CNN. The airing

came two years after their mass kidnapping by Boko Haram. Security agency chiefs are expected to brief the Senate early next week. CNN's Nima

Elbagir has more on the video and the fallout.


NIMA ELBAGIR, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It's the glimmer of hope parents have been waiting for. A video showing 15 of the Chibok girls sent

to negotiators by their captors as proof of life. CNN obtained the video from a person close to the negotiations to get the girls released and we

shared it with parents of the missing girls.

But these young women in the video are only a handful of those girls abducted now two years ago, April 14th, 2014, 276 schoolgirls taken in the

night by Boko Haram gunmen. A few dozen escaped. But since then, there's been only silence.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Silence saves no one.

ELBAGIR (voice-over): Despite the global campaign to Bring Back Our Girls, two years later, they remain missing. Facing heavy criticism, Nigeria's

government remains under pressure to bring them home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I firmly believe that the girls are alive but probably, based on security, I know you cannot get them in one group. They might

have been dispersed into several cells.

ELBAGIR (voice-over): In Nigeria's capital, supporters and families of the missing march to mark the solemn anniversary. Among the demonstrators,

Este Akubo (ph), her daughter, Julianna (ph), was one of those kidnapped.

Another news crew showed her our story. She broke down in tears, saying she recognized the girls.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I saw our girls (INAUDIBLE). (INAUDIBLE) of them because we are in the same area with them. So I recognize them. They are

the Chibok girls.

ELBAGIR (voice-over): It's the first sighting of the girls in nearly two years. And after an agonizing wait, families of the missing hope the video

is not yet another false lead.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We believe that these girls will be found and very soon to be returned to their families.

ELBAGIR: Two long years and counting. For the families of these missing young women, their return can't come soon enough -- Nima Elbagir, CNN,



CURNOW: CNN's Stephanie Busari has been working with Nima on the story since the start. She joins me now live from the Nigerian capital, Abuja.

Hi, there, Stephanie. We spoke about the chiefs' meeting next week.

Why haven't they met before?

STEPHANIE BUSARI, CNN PRODUCER: Well, Robyn, it's clear that the issue of the Chibok girls fell off the agenda somewhat as the Nigerian government

focused it on military campaign, a sustained military campaign against Boko Haram and they have made significant strides against this insurgency.

And on the ground, there's been a lot of rumors about them being sold off into slavery, perhaps becoming suicide bombers --


BUSARI: -- or even some people believe it's a hoax.

And I spoke earlier to Senator Shihusani (ph), who tabled the motion to call the security chiefs in next week. And he said that the video that CNN

obtained has given renewed impetus and provided proof that the girls are actually alive. And that has given a new dimension to the search for the

Chibok girls.

So that's why they're now stepping up, you know, the plan to call the security chiefs in to find out what exactly they're planning to do to

rescue these girls and also to find out why it's taking so long, given that there is evidence out there to suggest that they are alive.

And they just want to really ask some tough questions to break the silence -- Robyn.

CURNOW: With that in mind, do we know what the state of the negotiations are?

We understand that there has been some ransom suggestions, that Boko Haram is asking for $1 million for some of the girls?

BUSARI: Well, it's clear that the girls are more valuable to Boko Haram. It's clear that they're more valuable to Boko Haram alive than dead and

there are reports that they have made a demand for -- excuse me -- they have made a demand for ransom in blocks. They've packaged the blocks.

Sources are telling us that they've packaged the girls into blocks and for this initial block that you see in this video, they've demanded $1 million

for them -- Robyn.

CURNOW: Stephanie Busari there in Abuja, thanks so much.

For a look behind the scenes of the committed reporting of Stephanie and the team in Nigeria, head over to CNN International's Facebook page. She

and Nima answer questions in a live Facebook chat. You can see how they describe what it's been like to work with the parents in Nigeria to bring

back their girls.

A congressional debate in Brazil over whether or not to impeach president Dilma Rousseff is now under way. The lower house of congress started

discussing the matter a short time ago.

This comes on the heels of a decision from the nation's supreme court denying a last-ditch motion to halt the process. A final vote isn't

expected, though, until Sunday.

And Belgium's transport minister is quitting over airport security. Jacqueline Galant (ph), seen here, announcing her resignation a short time

ago, is accused of ignoring an E.U. report that warned of poor security at Belgium's airport.

That report was given to Galant's (ph) office a year before last month's attacks in Brussels by ISIS suicide bombers; 32 people were killed.

U.S. Defense chief Ash Carter is now touring one of the world's most disputed regions. He's aboard an American aircraft carrier in the South

China Sea. Carter's visit comes a day after he announced an enhanced military alliance with Philippines, including joint patrols in those


China is now accusing the U.S. of promoting militarization of the South China Sea, which Beijing claims as its own.

Well, now to a brewing debate over free speech in Germany. Chancellor Angela Merkel has accepted a request to prosecute a comedian who mocked the

Turkish president on German television. And the request to prosecute came straight from Turkey. Well, let's get more on this from our Fred Pleitgen.

Hi, there, Fred.

How does Ms. Merkel explain this?

FREDERIK PLEITGEN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, she said that this is something where this is not up to a government to decide

whether or not this person is allowed to be prosecuted but this should all be in the hands of the judiciary.

However, under this article in German criminal law, which is Article 103 of Germany's criminal code, the government has to give permission for a

foreign country to be able to sue someone for insulting a foreign government or foreign head of state, which, of course, is exactly what

Recep Tayyip Erdogan is.

Now Erdogan had said that he wanted to take legal action against this comedian because this comedian read a poem on air that made very, very

strong remarks against Erdogan.

The big question here is where does artistic freedom end and where does insult begin?

This is clearly something that this comedian, Jann Bremerman (ph), was out to try and find out. He said at the end of reading this poem on the air,

he said, let's see where the borders of satire are in all of this.

Now Angela Merkel made very clear that this was a very difficult decision for her and her government. She said the government was split on whether

or not to allow the Turks to prosecute or to try and take legal action against this man.

And she said, in the end, she believes that Germany's judicial system will make the right decision. Let's listen in to what Angela Merkel had to say



ANGELA MERKEL, CHANCELLOR OF GERMANY (through translator): In such a state, the permission to prosecute someone for the offense of insulting a

foreign leader or government does not mean prejudgment of that individual - -


MERKEL (through translator): -- and it is not a determination of the boundaries of artistic expression by the state.

It means that the evaluation will be handed over to the independent judiciary and that it will not be the government but prosecutors in court

who will have the final say.


PLEITGEN: So she is allowing this to go forward. She does say, however, the government has no say in whether or not this is to be deemed an insult

that is beyond artistic freedom.

It's interesting, Robyn, that, also on top of that, she did, however, say that she believed that the article that allows the Turks to bring legal

action against this comedian is something that she believes should disappear from the German criminal court. And she says she's going to

start those motions as fast as possible.

CURNOW: OK. So let's then talk about Turkey and its relationship with Germany.


CURNOW: Ms. Merkel needs Turkey and Mr. Erdogan to help deal with the migrant crisis but I see there is criticism that many in Germany are saying

that this is essentially Mr. Erdogan limiting free speech in Germany.

PLEITGEN: Yes, Mr. Erdogan limiting free speech in Germany and Ms. Merkel helping him to do so. Those are essentially the main criticisms that you

hear in Germany but internationally as well, because of course this is also become a pan-European issue and one that really plays into the way that

Turkey and the European Union are dealing with each other at this point in time.

Angela Merkel also said in that brief press conference that she gave is that she's quite worried about freedom of expression and freedom of the

press in Turkey and will continue to press Turkey, for instance, on the issue of journalists being put into jail there.

However, members of her own coalition, of the Social Democratic Party, who are in a coalition with Angela Merkel, have said that they absolutely

disagree with the Germans allowing the Turks to prosecute this comedian.

They say that this is something that they deem insulting a majesty and is not something that should have a place in modern Germany. There's

obviously also a lot of people from across Europe, free speech organizations, other artists as well, who heavily criticize Angela Merkel

for allowing this to go forward -- Robyn.

CURNOW: Fred Pleitgen, thank you so much.

Moving on, China's economy is still growing but not like it used to. New government figures show output grew 6.7 percent in the first quarter.

That's the weakest since 2009 but a fraction higher than most economists expected, according to a CNNMoney survey.

Reaction from Asia-Pacific stock markets was mostly subdued. Both Hong Kong's Hang Seng and the Shanghai Composite share index closed down about

0.1 percent.

Still ahead here on CNN, from the presidential debate stage to the world stage, we'll take you to the Vatican city, where Bernie Sanders is expected

to speak soon.





CURNOW: Welcome to the INTERNATIONAL DESK. I'm Robyn Curnow. Here's a check of the headlines.


CURNOW: And in the race for the U.S. presidency, Donald Trump is adding fuel to his fight with the Republican Party. The Republican front-runner

wrote an opinion piece published by "The Wall Street Journal" late Thursday. In it, he rips the delegate process.

The party responded by saying the rules have been known for months. Trump's main rival, Ted Cruz, will try to change the optics today after

reports say he was essentially snubbed by some in the audience while speaking at the Republican gala in New York Thursday. He has a rally

planned in the coming hours in the state.

And John Kasich isn't going anywhere yet. He also has a rally planned in New York.

On the Democratic side, Bernie Sanders is taking a brief break from the campaign trail to speak at the Vatican. Our Ben Wedeman joins us now from


Why is Mr. Sanders there?

BEN WEDEMAN, CNN SR. INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, Mr. Sanders is attending -- and he's here now -- a conference organized by the Pontifical

Academy on Social Sciences, where they will be discussing, a group of academics, the changes in the global economy since -- in the last 25 years.

Now Mr. Sanders is going to be delivering -- is delivering, actually, a paper right now, entitled "The Urgency of a Moral Economy."

Now he's going to be touching on a variety of familiar themes from Senator Sanders, including income inequality.

Now we've seen a copy of this speech and he really goes and blasts a variety of ills in modern America, including the Citizens United case in

the United States, financial deregulation, an economic system, he said, that puts profit over pollution, oil companies over climate safety and arms

trade over peace.

Now these are themes that will go down well with the pope, who, of course, is not participating in this conference. This is a pope, Pope Francis, who

has, for instance, described unfettered capitalism as the "dung of the devil."

Now as I said, the pope isn't participating in this conference and Vatican officials say there are no plans for the two men to meet, even though

Senator Sanders did express a desire to meet a pope he said he admires very much.

Nonetheless, this is a pope who has been not short on surprises, so we can't completely rule out the possibility of a meeting between the two men.

An endorsement, however, Robyn, is highly unlikely.

CURNOW: Well, they have a lot to talk about if they did meet. And even if they don't meet, there are some similarities but also huge differences in

their ideological stance.

WEDEMAN: That's true. Indeed, on the economics side, they pretty much see eye to eye on a lot of the issues.

But when it comes to social issues like contraception, same-sex marriage and abortion, Pope Francis, even though he's considered to be a liberal, he

recently put out a statement -- or rather, the Vatican did -- essentially holding the line when it comes to Vatican opposition to same-sex marriage,

to abortion and whatnot; whereas Senator Sanders is very much in favor of all of that.

So they see eye to eye on a variety of economic issues but social issues, - -


WEDEMAN: -- they're quite far apart -- Robyn.

CURNOW: Ben Wedeman, great to chat. Thanks so much, coming to us live there from Rome.

Well, one reason, perhaps, Bernie Sanders might not meet Pope Francis is that Pope Francis is set to leave the Vatican anytime soon for a Saturday

trip to the Greek island of Lesbos.

There, the pope will visit a refugee camp and pray with asylum seekers. Thousands of migrants seeking refuge in Europe have arrived on the island's

shores in recent months. He'll also take part in a memorial for victims of the migration crisis.

Ahead of that trip, we've put together a little quiz for you.

It asks, "Who said it, Bernie Sanders or the pope?"

Both speak out passionately, as Ben was saying, about the need for social justice.

But who called climate change the greatest threat?

And who referred to the idolatry of money?

See how much you know. That quiz is at

Campaigning has now officially begun in the U.K. over whether to stay in the European Union or whether to go. Voters will decide the matter in a

referendum on June 23rd and right now there's no consensus on which way the vote will go. It's going to be close.

British Prime Minister David Cameron is campaigning hard to stay in the E.U. The U.S. president is expected to back Mr. Cameron on the issue in

London next week. But other politicians are pushing just as hard to get out of the E.U. Here's what one of them told our Nic Robertson.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Big government, big intergovernmental organizations rallying behind a mate, looking after Dave, trying to help Dave win this

referendum. And I don't believe it convinces anybody.

NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR: But doesn't it perturb you that the U.S. president would come here and mix it up in

British politics?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, mercifully, this American president, who is the most anti-British American president there's ever been, won't be in office

for much longer and I hope will be replaced by somebody rather more sensible when it comes to trading relationships with this country.


CURNOW: Uncertainty about the outcome of the referendum has pushed the British pound down versus all other major currencies.

Well, next up here at the INTERNATIONAL DESK, the British royals visit a sacred monastery in Bhutan. On Thursday they'll make the last stop on

their tour at India's Taj Mahal.

In a moment, we'll look back at Princess Diana's visit to the temple back in 1992 and an iconic photograph that came to symbolize the end of a fairy

tale marriage.




CURNOW: You're watching CNN. I'm Robyn Curnow. Thanks so much for joining me.

Now the British royals spent the day trekking to a 17th-century monastery in Bhutan. The monastery known as the Tiger's Nest is about 3,000 meters

above sea level.


CURNOW: On Saturday the Duke and Duchess wrap up their tour with a visit to India's Taj Mahal. Prince William's mother, Diana, Princess of Wales,

was there 24 years ago and an iconic photograph came to symbolize the end of her marriage to Prince Charles. Here's Max Foster.


MAX FOSTER, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Countless VIPs have been pictured on this bench but this shot became iconic because of the story

behind it. It came to symbolize the breakdown of what was meant to be a fairy tale marriage. Anwar Hussein was in the royal press pack that day.

ANWAR HUSSEIN, PHOTOGRAPHER: It is iconic because she looks very small against the big expanse of the Taj Mahal. It's a big building, important

building. And so, and the way in which she was sitting down there looked maybe lonely, nobody in the background. Looked like as if she was the only

person in the Taj Mahal, which belonged to her.

FOSTER (voice-over): The shoot was organized by then-royal press secretary, Dickie Arbiter (ph).

DICKIE ARBITER, FORMER ROYAL PRESS SECRETARY: It was left to everybody else to decide what was the state of the marriage was in and I think she

gave that impression by the way that she looked at the camera and what she said to one of the cameramen.

PRINCESS DIANA (from captions): Healing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (from captions): In what way?

DIANA (from captions): You work that out for yourself.

FOSTER (voice-over): That was interpreted by those who were there as confirmation that the marriage was in trouble.

ARBITER: It is recognized as a temple of love and Diana was there in front of it all alone, her husband having been there 12 years beforehand, who,

incidentally, said one day I would like to bring my wife here.

Well, she was there and he wasn't.

FOSTER (voice-over): This wasn't the fun-loving Diana that the photographers had pictured before.

HUSSEIN: For example, like she used, when she was still very friendly with Sarah Ferguson, Duchess of York, they used to, like in skiing they went

there and they're pushing each other and joking and like in Ascot, they were walking with an umbrella and you can see Diana giggling like a little

girl so many times.

And they would do it -- the new camera, they wouldn't mind being like that, you know, like little girls.

FOSTER (voice-over): It was within a matter of months after the Indian tour that Diana and Charles announced their separation.

Now their son, William, is making a return visit to India with his wife, Kate. They, too, will sit on that same bench of the Taj Mahal but with a

very different story to tell, one of a happy and secure marriage, which the media is rarely allowed into, William's obsession with privacy in sharp

contrast to his mother's openness -- Max Foster, CNN, London.


CURNOW: Still such an iconic image, isn't it?

Well, that does it for us here at the INTERNATIONAL DESK. I'm Robyn Curnow. I'll be back, though, at the top of the hour. In the meantime,

I'm going to hand you over to "WORLD SPORT" and Alex Thomas.