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Reviewing the New York Primary Wins of Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton; The Role of Paul Ryan. Aired 1-2a ET

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[01:00:13] HILLLARY CLINTON, (D) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: This one, personal.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is her home state, and there's really nothing like winning in your home state, a very supportive crowd.

DONALD TRUMP, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I couldn't think of nowhere that I would rather have this victory.


WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: Donald trump and Hillary Clinton scoring big in a very important victories tonight on their mutual homes turf.


TED CRUZ, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: There's nothing to do with a politician winning his home state tonight.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's the character moments for Bernie Sanders. But Sanders, the candidate can lose, but Sanders the cause can still win.

BERNIE SANDERS, (D) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: You know what? We're going to just fine tonight in New York.


BLITZER: Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton regain their winning touch with huge home field triumphs.

We want to welcome our viewers in the United States and around the world. I'm Wolf Blitzer, at the CNN Election Center with special coverage of the New York Primary.

After watching Ted Cruz pile up delegates for the series of state caucuses and contest, Donald Trump won big at the ballot box and the voting machine.


TRUMP: And even though we're leading by a lot and we can't be caught, it's impossible to catch us. Nobody should take delegates and claim victory unless they get those delegates with voters and voting. And that's what's going to happen and you watch because the people aren't going to stand for it. It's a crooked system. It's a system that's rigged. And we're going to go back to the old way, it's called you vote and you win.


BLITZER: After breaking Bernie Sander's momentum in New York, Hillary Clinton says, victory is now insight as she heads back on other road.


CLINTON: I'm going forward because more voices remain to be heard and to tomorrow it's on to Connecticut, Delaware, Maryland, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island and beyond.


BLITZER: Those five states with hundreds of delegates up for grabs, all primaries in a week next Tuesday.

Democrat Bernie Sanders says he expects to win most of those states.

On the Republican side Ted Cruz and John Kasich were trying to pick up enough delegates to denied Trump of first ballot conviction victory in Cleveland.

Let's go over to John King over the magic wall. Make a closer look at how they did it.

Tonight Donald Trump a hugely impressive win.

JOHN KING, NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Overwhelming. You just look at the map right now, 60 percent of the vote, John Kasich second with 25, the hugely disappointment night for Ted Cruz 14 percent there and zero of the 95 delegates, Donald Trump is still have a couple to allocate Wolf but his going to win 90 or 91, perhaps, 92, it looks like 90 or 91 of the 95 delegates that's a resounding victory.

John Kasich picking up the rest and just pick your county anywhere in New York.

Donald Trump 57 percent here. Donald Trump 55 percent here, Donald Trump just shy a 50 percent here drop down into the New York City area.

The only blemish on an overwhelming win is that Donald Trump lost Manhattan to John Kasich by a couple of thousand votes by about well, a thousand votes there and I guess he came in. As he came in 45 percent or 42 percent, so we close in the end and got closer, John Kasich winning in Manhattan to pick up -- to help him pick up a few delegates we just look at that.

Just a sweeping victory for Donald Trump, a huge win, gives him momentum, also gives him a huge amount of delegates reducing from 62 percent to 58 percent, what he needs in the remaining contest of the delegates, so a big win for the front runner of the Republican side equally even though you see a lot of Bernie Sanders on this map of New York and equally impressive win for the Democratic front runner as she -- look at that 57 percent, nearly 58 percent there to 42.

Again you see a lot of Bernie Sanders specially, in the upstate there at New York. But Hillary Clinton earlier she was loosing at every county winning Buffalo, Rochester and Syracuse.

So in the urban areas where we have more population winning there and then winning by enormous margins here in the suburbs North of New York City, I know you come down into the city in the Bronx 70 percent, Wolf.

Here in Queens county 61 percent to 38 percent. In Manhattan 66 percent, Kings County which is Brooklyn 60 percent, Staten Island 52 percent, just very impressive.

Down here where you have the main Democratic district, so you see a lot of Sanders here, out of the rural areas is mostly but right there boom, winning with a big number, winning in the African-American community, winning a net delegate somewhere near 31 plus at her delegate count tonight and moving forward for both Clinton and Trump, they believe is the right stage right up here for five counties.

Next Tuesday, they believe they got about out of New York they will have big night next Tuesday as well.

BLITZER: Yeah, both Trump and Clinton doing better than the polls have suggested they would do very impressive win.

So Anderson over to you.

ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: Yeah, let's talk to Mark Preston there on the panel about the delegate account, where do we think stand, where do things look like moving forward?

MARK PRESTON, CNN POLITICAL EDITOR: Well, no doubt Anderson, it has been a very big night for Donald Trump 95 delegates on the table in New York.

[01:05:03] And at this hour he has picked up 89 of those delegates, perhaps, the biggest surprise is that John Kasich who has been shut out of winning any delegates since March 15 has picked up three, Ted Cruz big goose steak (ph) for him right now has not picked up any.

We're still waiting to allocate three more of those delegates. But today, right now Donald Trump has 847 delegates look at these numbers as well Ted Cruz comes at 553, John Kasich at a 148 and as you've heard us over and over again say for weeks and weeks you need 1237 to win a republican nomination.

On the other side, we have the Democrats coming in big night for Hillary Clinton as well, she has picked up 139 delegates while Bernie Sanders has picked up 108, year the date Hillary Clinton has picked up 1930 delegates, Bernie Sanders 1223. But let's break that out and little bit explain it, Hillary Clinton has picked up 1443 pledged delegates, these are delegates she has actually won in this primary in caucuses. But in addition to that she has picked up 487 pledged or rather unpledged delegates, these are the super delegates who say they will support her at the convention, Bernie Sanders 1183 delegates that he has won but he's only picked up 40 super delegates, so when you look the disparity between those two Anderson, that's where his disparity is.

COOPER: So really on the Republican side, I mean moving forward Donald Trump is the only one who has a real chance or a change still of getting to 1237 before the convention, that proves he's got it.

MANU RAJU, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL REPORTER: And it was such a big night for him, I mean, the actually top campaigns, internal projections where the day with that they only take only 85 delegates tonight, that's what they're communicating at least the Republicans on Capital Hill when they have been meeting with them in recent days and clearly have exceeded that, and they said that even if they got 85 delegates they didn't make it to 1237 presuming they do well next week and they do well in California in June 7. So exceeding their own internal expectations, let's see how it plays out.

COOPER: How important I mean assuming Donald Trump doesn't get 1237 but get relatively close what then happens at the convention I mean if it -- he doesn't automatically won in the first round do we know?

GLORIA BORGER, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, you know, you had a period of time, you know, after June 7th which is California and we both talked about how important Indiana is and California is going to be really important and you have a period like four weeks before the convention.

So, we'll know his delegate count and then he has the period of time to go to these uncommitted delegates and try and twist their arms and tell them I'd be a better president and all the rest and he can do that. And Ted Cruz presumably has the same period of time. But if Cruz is substantially behind and talking to people in the Trump campaign, they believe that he will be negotiating from such a position of weakness then it would be really difficult for him to make his case even on the fairness argument or the votes argument to people saying "Look, you know, if I'm 50 away, you've got to do it."

Now, the RNC will say as we've heard tonight the rules are the rules and you've got to cross the finish line. But they believe they will have a much stronger argument to make.

BILL PRESS, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: I also think they'll be held -- I really do believe that we held to pay it because that close and they take nomination away from them I mean it's hard to believe that the party could ever unite. Well, the Trump would just say "OK, I did my best and now you take it away."

AMANDA CARPENTER, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: In terms of making the argument to the delegates, I do wonder how badly Donald Trump has poisoned the well, I mean, I think for myself in that situation, if I'm a delegate and the Trump campaign moving out there accusing people briberies, say work on incentive hotel rooms, there might be violence, I don't think I pick up the phone I mean I feel like anything I see in that conversation will be used against me at some point in time.

And so I think that's going to be a big hurdle for the delegates to get over, on the other hand, you know, Ted Cruz, yes, in position weakness I heard they'll overcome and I think they'll nationally point to his record, look at all the things that we've done together of the years.

I mean, Ted Cruz, his first year in the Senate made a point of going to all these link and day dinners all over the south

And I know because I wrote all the briefing papers for him. I mean he was on the sticking circuit like a maniac, so that he could be talking to those local activists who they knew would be delegates one day, potentially not thinking, you know, he would run for president and lay on the ground -- but may be to do it one day.

KAYLEIGH MCENAMY, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, here is the thing and people tend to consulate the fact that Donald Trump is criticizing the party, establishment at the top. He is criticizing the top of the Colorado party that decided to cancel the vote of the people. He is not discouraging delegates across the nation. He is not discouraging people who are grassroots supporter, he is ...

COOPER: If you're saying the process is rigged and the people who have of their own dime participated in the process and been elected in the process, I mean you can't predict how they're going to feel about Donald Trumps comments, I mean you can't say for sure, you believe it's just attacking the state party officials but it might filter down, you know?

[01:10:10] MCENAMY: It might filter down but if I'm a delegate I think, you know, most reasonable people certainly if we look at the polls believe that if you win the most of the popular vote you should go into the nomination and you should get the nomination, most people believe that you still have a right to vote in this country that you can't cancel the vote of 1 million people in Colorado when you don't like who's leading the polls in August, most reasonable people realize what Donald Trump said tonight is the case that we need to go back to the old way where everyone gets to vote and everyone gets to sit. If I'm a delegate I don't have the pretty reasonable argument.

RAJU: Well, I think that's one of the real concerns from folks who are worried about this convention playing out in a rather chaotic manner because if Donald Trump has denied the nomination even he has, let's say 1100 -- 1225 pledged delegates and you don't give him the nomination (inaudible) losses it, on second or third battle. What happens after that?

And that's one of the reasons why they're seeing a lot of members of Congress, saying we're not even going to go to the convention ...

COOPER: That's John McCain is saying it.

RAJU: John McCain saying they won't do that. Members were up for reelection and top re-electioneers in New Hampshire and Illinois, North Carolina all saying we've probably should stay away because of ...


PRESTON: So a couple of things. I think we have to take any consideration and we've been criticized for this and the Christians is probably real that we said that each election night is the most important election night, right.

So this was the most important election night until it's over. Having said that next week is the most important ...


PRESTON: ... and the reason it is ...


PRESTON: ... the reason it is, is because the voters of New York had the same light minded politics as voters in Rhode island, Connecticut, Pennsylvania, and Delaware these five states that are spread up between the mid Atlantic where we are right now all the way up to Rhode Island.

Donald Trump did so well tonight in New York and, you know, let's not pretend that everybody in New York likes Donald Trump because I'm fairly certain that a lot of people in New York don't like Donald Trump and he is still did very, very well in New York.

So I think that we will have a lot of these answers answered by next Wednesday.


PRESTON: And I do think we need to key in on this, we started to have -- I mean, we're starting to talk about it now. The Donald Trump campaign has transformed.


PRESTON: And has transformed unbelievably so it is turned a 180 degrees in the last seven days Donald Trump came out, give his speech tonight that was so unDonald Trump ...


PRESTON: Right, it was short ...

COOPER: Yeah, compare it to the state night, I mean it just ...

NIA-MALIKA HENDERSON, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL REPORTER: For the press conferences where he is taking questions and, you know, when he is obviously (inaudible) ignore all to this delegates that are worried about of the state of their party and think the he would be a distractive based on the Donald Trump that they've seen up until now, so, you know, we'll see I think thinkers knows he's going to have a rough night next Tuesday or they think they'll have a better May, they think they'll have a pretty good closing argument going into the convention.

But listen if he is down, you know, 400 delegates or so...


BAKARI SELLERS, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: I think but Donald Trump came into the 90, he had to win and get 90 delegates to be on track and he did that. Then he had to go out and Amanda was saying it as well what is he going to say in his speech and although it was eight minutes it was only messaging concise which is something that we can't say to Donald Trump has ever done before but he is also framed the argument he did something else tonight because he mathematically eliminated Ted Cruz.

And so -- but for this being about Donald Trump, if this was any other election cycle where there is no other candidate that can reach the mark we're not having this discussion.

PRESTON: Next week would not be the most ...

SELLERS: Building up.

PRESTON: That makes next week ...


COOPER: Coming up we're going to check in on a meeting of Republicans it is only become a lot more important if the party faces the prospects of this convention, what will it mean for the fight for delegate?

[01:14:02] That is ahead.


BLITZER: Let's get a key race alert on Donald Trump, very impressive win in New York, the Republican presidential primary where he has won almost all of the 95 delegates.

Donald Trump, take a look at this 94 percent of the vote is in. He is winning now by more than 300,000 votes over John Kasich. The Ohio governor is coming in second place, Ted Cruz a very, very distant third place, 60.5 percent for Donald Trump. More than 60 percent of the vote for Donald trump, 25.1 percent for Kasich, 14.5 percent for Ted Cruz.

It's a very, very impressive good day for Donald Trump. Listen to how he reacted.


TRUMP: It's really nice to win the delegates with the votes, you know, it's really nice.

CROWD: Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump.

TRUMP: Nobody should be giving delegates which is a ticket to victory and it's not a fare ticket and even though we're leading by a lot and we can't be caught it's impossible to catch us, nobody should take delegates and claim victory unless they get those delegates with voters and voting. And that's what's going to happen and you watch because the people aren't going to stand for it. It's a crooked system. It's a system that's rigged. And we're going to go back to the old way, it's called you vote and you win.

So we'll be going into the convention no matter what happens and I think we're going to go in so strong and over the next number of weeks we just low our poll, come out of California which is an unbelievable fall but we're going into the convention I think as the winner. But nobody can take an election away with the way they're doing it in the Republican Party.

And by the way I am no fun of Bernie. But I've seen Bernie win, win, win and then I watched and they say he has no chance of winning, so they have their super delegate, the Republican system is worst.


BLITZER: Oh, let's take a look. Phil Mattingly is over in Hollywood Florida where there is a Republican National Committee Meeting now taking place.

Phil, you know, it's really extraordinary to hear the Republican presidential front runner bad mouth the Republican establishment, the Republican National Committee for a rigged system if you will. They got a lot of work to do.

[01:20:11] PHIL MATTINGLY: Yeah, no question about it Wolf, the criticism has been sharp and unrelenting over the last 10 days in public. But behind the scenes, the moves we've seen by the Trump campaign really show that there's a recognition on how much work they need to do with the delegate system. And that's why this meeting down here over the next three days, Wolf, really matters.

And it's not just the Trump campaign. It's also Ted Cruz's campaign, sending their campaign manager Jeff Roe down here to give a presentation to the 168 RNC members tomorrow.

John Kasich coming down here in person to attend a kind of cocktail party tomorrow night, they realize that it's so long, if Donald Trump doesn't reach that 1237 number of delegates before the convention, these are the individuals that could determine how that convention plays out.

Now, it's important to know Wolf during these three days of meeting down here these convention or these committee members will not decide new rules for the convention, but there will be convening and, Wolf, there have been a series of fights that have broken out between different fractions within the Republican National Committee.

So it's not just the campaign trail fight, this is an internal squabble as well. And it's really starting to blow up over the last couple of days keeping a close eye here in Hollywood because really Wolf, what matters in the recognition between all the campaigns and Reince Priebus the head of the RNC is that what matters in the weeks and months ahead will be the rules that determine how that convention runs, we haven't see an open convention in such a long. But they realize getting this right matters, and if they don't the intensity coming from the campaign trail from Donald Trump specifically, will not go away anytime soon Wolf.

BLITZER: Its three days of important meetings, the Republican National Committee Meetings in the Hollywood Florida.

Anderson, over to you.

COOPER: How smart has it been do you think to -- for Donald trump to go after the RNC to call out Reince Priebus on to kind of set the scene for, you know, whatever may happen down the road at the convention.

PRESTON: I think for him it's short term gain because he is the outsider, he is fighting the establishment and what have you -- if he wins the nomination, he needs the RNC and just for everybody out through that's watching the RNC is just a building, the RNC is just a 168 members. But what the RNC does is that it attracts the donors and when they see Donald Trump attacking the establishment over and over again these donors, they're not going to want to open up their wallets and try to help him get elected.

Now he said he's going to solve finance, but to what tune does he want to ...

COOPER: Although it does make it harder for nominations he's already kind of seen shots across their bow. It does make it harder if he is within 50 or hundred of getting that number it sort of makes it harder for them to try to ...

HENDERSON: Yeah, and I think that's what he is doing, very smartly now to basically say it would be fraudulent on Democratic if he goes into this convention with 1,200 or 1,100. And it's taken from him and given this -- into Ted Cruz who would come there with fewer than him.

So I think it's smart, you know, his entire plan, this whole campaign has been sort of a Donald Trump versus everybody. And I think it work for him. It's connected him with his supporters who again feel very much embattled also they're able to identify with him in that way, so I think ...

RAJU: You know, Priebus and other party officials also realize that a lot of this is politics, you know, they do ...


RAJU: ... you hear almost every single comment that they make as they will, this is rhetoric.

And so into some extent they expect this from Donald Trump. BORGER: Well, but I think he planted the seed on purpose, right, I mean this was, you know, he planted the seed to say this is rigged and that's one of the reasons, do you see a lot Republicans is saying in the Interpolls, "Look, if you're closest, you want to get it," because otherwise it's unfair. So you plant the sense that this would be unfair which I think is smart, I think taking on Reince Priebus personally to the point where Priebus had to defend himself and they got in this war is unprecedented, it's really that you have the front runner at war with the chairman of the Republican Party which doesn't help you to your point in the long term.

And you have to be careful not to say that delegates are crooked or the delegates are bad people because delegates are party people and you're going to need them.

COOPER: Sorry that is -- it is I mean being top with somebody who you may end up in negotiation with it's, you know, it kind of softening them up.

BORGER: Right, but you don't want to accuse them of being corrupt.

PRESTON: It's like fighting your brother. It's like getting in a fist fight with your brother.

You know, at some point you have to live in the same house, one and, two how many times can he say that he may leave the Republican Party, if you're a loyal Republican you're going to say to yourself why do I want to go to battle, you know, for this guy.

PRESS: I'll be the last one to give any advice to Donald Trump or I'd be the last person he'll take it from yet, I think.

[01:25:01] But I think he's doing absolutely the right thing, there is no down side to it at to attacking, right, or to being critical of Reince Priebus.

Donald Trump is leading the pack right now. He is the ultimate outsider. This whole thing is running against the establishment, running against the party pool bus or whatever. And I think that's just part of his character and part of the strength and you know what, Reince Priebus is going to have to accept that ...


PRESS: He comes in with close to 1,200, Reince is going to have to forget all the stuff and make nice with him because ...

COOPER: And get it to raise money and ...

PRESS: Because he's going to be a nominee.

SELLERS: And what's the political reasoning for taking the election away from Donald Trump, though. I mean Donald Trump in this primary process, he's won New York, he's won Florida, he's going to win the West. I mean in this primary and he's leading in delegates and the delegate lead is going to increase next Tuesday which is the most important election of the year next Tuesday and he's going to expand the number of voters that he has.

So I mean politically speaking, I mean you're taking away the election for what?

CARPENTER: Because there's people in the party who do believe that principle is more important that politics and winning. I mean this fight that we've continue to have I mean Conservatives are a dead set against Trump because they don't trust him and critical matter from national security ...

COOPER: ... couple of people in the party get to override the will of the vast majority of votes.

CARPENTER: Because of he can't get to half -- listen if he can't win half of the delegates in your party, how is he going to win half the country in the general election?

BORGER: But you know you can't take it away from somebody who ...

CARPENTER: But it's not is ...

COOPER: But by your logic it can't -- you've make that same argument in Cruz I mean why, I mean how can Cruz win if he can't even get more delegates ...

CARPENTER: Because the thing he have to do I mean I think it's kind of common sense. To win a general election you have to secure the baits may be Donald Trump is trying to override that completely and just go completely for a total new math (ph), saying "Hey, party I don't need you and by hook or by crook I'm going to do it outside of the party structures, that seems to be deliberately what he is doing ...


CARPENTER: But I don't think that works in a general election. Can we just revisit the fund raising ...

COOPER: This by the way is the least in our time. Kelly has had to defend Donald Trump, right.


CARPENTER: Kind of a fund raising question. Donald Trump has no fundings right now, remarkable what he's done let's give him all the props in the world.

Can he self fund in a general election against Hillary Clinton?


CARPENTER: Somehow yes ...


PRESS: He won't have to. The Republicans want to White House, they will put money up even behind Donald Trump ... (CROSSTALK)

BORGER: And this is why, you know, at some point they're going to have to get together I mean when I interviewed Jim Baker about this former secretary of states who run Jerald Ford's floor operation in the 1976 convention he said "Look, you're going to buy yourself some trouble as the Republican Party.

If Donald Trump is close and he doesn't get it and that's going to buy you trouble in the general election because you're people will walk away and they will sit home. And this is the problem Ted Cruz is facing right now, it's not about funding or anything else it's about alienating the base of your party, I just said for clarification.


MCENAMY: Exactly Gloria and, you know, and what the Republican Party needs to understand is the party doesn't exist without it's voters and when the voters are speaking commandingly and saying we don't like that way the party is going, we think that they have betrayed and failed us, that's when the party needs to wake up and say look let's call us around Donald Trump, let's get together on this and let's make this a party where voters are happy with us.

COOPER: Up next. House speaker Paul Ryan is talking to CNN about the Republican convention if you would share whether will there be any legal rumor when it comes to rules for deciding a nomination.

We'll hear it from Speaker Ryan, next.


[01:32:54] COOPER: And welcome back to continuing cover to the New York Primaries. Let's take a look at the delegates count as it stands now. There's Donald Trump with 847, Ted Cruz with 553, Kasich, 148 and there you see Hillary Clinton with 1,930, that include of course 487 super delegates, 1,223 for Bernie Sanders 40 of those are super delegates.

Manu, you've been speaking to Speaker Ryan, a lot of news being made about his role at the convention about whom who may not be attending the convention. What did he say to you?

MANU RAJU, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL REPORTER: That's why I spoke to him late last night, you know, we got a chance to talk to him about his role at the convention, his own political ambitions. The speaker said which of course he reluctantly assumed as well as doubt Trump's complaints about the delegates selecting process.


REP. PAUL RYAN, (R-WI), HOUSE SPEAKER: I think the rules are the rules and people know the rules going into it. We are going to follow the book by the rules. And that is exactly how this convention's going to be run. It's very important that it's done exactly that way.

RAJU: Are you concerned in any way about how messy this could be? In the second or third ballot? Even Donald Trump ...

RYAN: I (inaudible) about my time thinking about this. I'm full as you can tell I'm a little busy with my day job. So this is something that's outside of our control. It very well maybe that somebody gets 1,237 delegates before the convention. And then this whole open convention question is closed. But maybe we'll have an open convention. If we do, we will deal with the situation as it arises.

RAJU: And you think that someone gets a 1,112 delegates ...

RYAN: Look, the rules are the rules. I just -- we're going to follow the rule book. And let the delegates make their decisions on this goes forward.

RAJU: Some Republican lawmakers think about skipping the convention. As chairman of the convention, are you OK with that?

RYAN: I'm not going to be skipping it.

RAJU: But you're OK with some of your members ...

RYAN: You know, I never heard that before. People would make the decision and what they want to do. If they're delegate if they better not skip it but ...

RAJU: By the time they became friends.

RYAN: You know, I haven't gone everyone to conventions myself. I -- but it's not because of that. So, I think if you were planning in going to the convention you should go.

I think it's -- it could be a great historical, you know, exercise. I mean it could be something that you will remember for the rest of your life.

RAJU: Some Republicans are worried about being tied to closely ...

RYAN: Oh so I think, I think we should go. I think this is -- this is our convention not making our nominee. So I think everybody should participate.

RAJU: Are you foreclosing run for -- ever running for president?

[01:35:11] RYAN: Well, no but don't think that far down the road. I made the decision in this cycle for 2016 not to run for president. I really believe that if you're going to be the nominee, you should run for the job. That's just what I think. I don't think it's right to have someone parachute in who never run for the job.

And in my case, I specifically decided not to run for the job. And so I just -- I don't know how I can be any clearer than that. I think that we ought to consider if he goes (inaudible) convention from people who actually went and ran. Who actually campaign, who got votes, who was involve in primaries and caucuses. I wasn't.

(END VIDEO CLIP) COOPER: So just to be clear Manu and what is he saying if Donald Trump gets 1,100 or 1,200 what then, what exactly?

RAJU: He doesn't think that Donald Trump has the right to become the nominee. He is backing up Reince Priebus pretty aggressively ...

COOPER: And the rules are the rules.

RAJU: The rules are the rules. We have actually not heard Paul Ryan make this case publicly like this before. You know, I have actually been trying to push him at press conferences over the last couple of weeks. And he said, oh well this is the states make up their rules.

But there's the time that he is really backing up Reince Priebus on that issue. But also the same time he's trying to show some -- the parties should unite behind the nominee.

When he said, we need to get behind our nominee. That was interesting coming from Paul Ryan and urging folks to come to the convention because he believes that the party has to be united if it has any chance if it's Donald Trump the nominee.

COOPER: What it's going to look like at this convention if Donald Trump gets 1,100? We know that -- because there's a -- there'll be a gap before the convention as you just talked about. There are some delegates who could be got into in that time. But still if he still sure of that number, just logistically do -- what does that look like?

MARK PRESTON, CNN POLITICS EXECUTIVE EDITOR: Now do you mean inside the gates ...

COOPER: Yes inside the convention.

PRESTON: Well do you mean when it's basically


COOPER: What does it look like from inside the hall?

PRESTON: In the hall, I don't think it's going to be very nice. I mean listen, on the outside, I'll give you insight.

COOPER: Would you have (inaudible) people going around trying to convince -- I mean how does it ...

PRESTON: All right, so what will happen as Gloria says from June 7th up into the week before the convention in July, there's going to be this really fast and furious effort to really try to woe this uncommitted delegates ...

COOPER: Right.

PRESTON: ... to come over their side, OK?

Now, how they go about doing that? Well, that include plane rides, and, you know, trips to Miralogo or any of those other golf courses were quite frankly could any of this super PAC donors do the same thing for Ted Cruz? Yeah, it could happen, OK?

Now you have a week beforehand where there's going to be actual organizational meetings where they're going to try to put a structure in place to deal with the contested convention.

The week before the convention is going to be just as wild as the week of the convention. Because they're going to set up the whole scenario about whether this convention it going to be melt down or the Republican Party will going to come together.

GLORIA BORGER, CNN CHIEF POLITIACL ANALYST: You know, and Paul Manafort tonight in his availability with reporters said he wasn't talking about changing the rules for this convention.

He said going forward for future campaigns we got to change the rules to make sure that they're more fair. But he didn't actually kind of say, we got to change the rules at this convention which I think was a nod to Reince Priebus and the Republican National Committee. But they have to engage in this process ...


BORGER: ... if they're short and they will engage in the process.

BAKARI SELLERS, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: I think one of the things that Donald Trump may do as well because we have this June primary date in California. And you have these weeks slaying up because I think you will start to see Donald Trump aggressively taking on Hillary Clinton as well. Because I think the Republican based in a lot of delegates want to see that out of Donald Trump. They want to see how their Republican frontrunner is going to take on Hillary Clinton.

So I think that's when he starts throwing a lot of things against the wall to see if they stick. And I think that's probably one of the best times for Hillary Clinton as well to start building those contrast because as you -- well, it was (inaudible) sitting on their early. You just don't know where Donald Trump's punches are coming from.

COOPER: Right.

SELLERS: But I do believe they will start flying soon after the California primary as a tactic to woe more delegates.

NIA-MALIKA HENDERSON, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL REPORTER: Yeah. And you see him do that array. I mean if may crooked Hillary him. He's talked about, you know, Hillary Clinton is been here all these years but look at the way the economy is. Look at the stand and wages so sometimes I think it's a perfect match up for his anti-establishment, you know, message in general.

COOPER: After a single state showdown in New York, presidential candidates are heading to another Super Tuesday. That's right, there's another one.

Coming up next, the challenge for the candidates one week from now. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)


[01:43:44] HILLARY CLINTON, (D) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I'm going forward because more voices remain to be heard and tomorrow it's on to Connecticut, Delaware, Maryland Pennsylvania, Rhode Island and beyond.


WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: Very happy Hillary Clinton, a big win in New York State.

Tonight I'm here with the Magic Wall with John King. Let's take a look to those five states next Tuesday she obviously has an advantage going in?

JOHN KING, CNN CHIEF NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: She does and she has a bigger delegate lead because of tonight. Plus 31 in net gain, Hillary Clinton with the big win in New York tonight.

She just mentioned the five states coming up next week. And they're all in the same neighborhood. The New England State, the Mid-Atlantic states, from Connecticut and Maryland and Pennsylvania, Maryland and Delaware.

The only one that's an open primary -- Bernie Sanders does better in open primaries when independence can come in is the state of Rhode Island which also happens to be the smallest basket of delegates available next week.

So Secretary Clinton believes she can win Pennsylvania, that'll be a good blue collar battle ground with Bernie Sanders. She believes because of the African-American votes she's going to win Maryland and she's going to win Delaware, Connecticut more of the states in play.

If you go back to 2008, it's interesting, Barack Obama won three of those states Connecticut, Delaware and Maryland. She won Rhode Island and Pennsylvania back in 2008.

The Clinton campaign thinks they could win four out of the five. I think there's a remote chance they'll take five out of the five. And if they do that, that's where Hillary Clinton is counting on.

[01:45:07] Let's just switch maps quickly here and look and you come to the Democratic race again. She's at 260 right now and her pledge delegate lead. She believes she's going to run the board next week and if she does that, she thinks, maybe if Bernie Sanders just win Rhode Island and she was the other four, she starts to stress that out even further.

And, again, you can hear this coming from the Clinton campaign and from some people in the Sanders campaign. They think they can do this. You heard Ted Devine quote and agree the associated press thing. Let's see how the next five go, then, we'll access. In the Clinton campaign, they believe, if they can win four out the

next five that resignation sets in to the Sanders campaign. Not to get out of the race, not to stop pressing these issues, but to understand that this is at that point because of the Democratic proportional rules impossible to overcome and stay in the race, promote your issues, but dial back together.

BLITZER: And those -- these are the pledged delegates we're talking outside.

KING: Right, right.

BLITZER: There still about 50 percent of the delegates at the convention ...

KING: Right.

BLITZER: ... in Philadelphia are the super delegates more than 700 and she's got a huge advantage ...

KING: Let's show quick she has 487 right now on our count. And if she keeps them and as long as she keeps winning, she will keep them. Now, Sanders' supporters say they don't vote to the convention. They can change their mind, don't count them now. That's fair. They don't vote until the convention. They can't change their mind.

But if she keeps winning, they won't change their mind and if she keeps the 487 she has right now, if you count the super delegates, Hillary Clinton needs only 32 percent of the remaining delegates in those contests.

She's been winning. She won tonight big. She is going to win 32 percent of the remaining delegates. She's going to win well and excess of 32 percent of the remaining delegates because of the Democratic Party rules.

So, as long as she keeps winning, she keeps them. So the map is -- the arc of the math is bent pretty in a pretty overwhelming way in her favor and she believes next week is a giant exclamation period.

BLITZER: It's all the Democratic contests are proportional and so she gets 30 percent.

KING: Right.

BLITZER: She's well on her way. All right, John, thanks very much.

(Inaudible) to Pennsylvania and four other states next Tuesday. How will the Super Tuesday that we're calling turned out predictions from our political team, that's next.


[01:50:06] COOPER: And welcome back to our continuing coverage of the New York Primary. Everybody else, it seems has gone home, but we are still here. We are still live. There you have to vote tallies. Big night for Donald Trump, big night

for Secretary Hillary Clinton and the race moves forward next week. A number of states, let's get some final thoughts from our panelists.

Kelly, let's start with you.

MCENANY: When you look forward next Tuesday at the polls and most of the states, four out of the five, Delaware doesn't have much polling. Donald Trump is leading by nearly 20 points. So, we are going to see tonight, times five, next Tuesday and he is going to have tailwind behind him going forward as we move into Indiana.

COOPER: Amanda?

CARPENTER: Yeah, I feel like Hillary Clinton not only turned a corner because she wanted her home safe, such a good margin, but she finally got really comfortable in her own skin. Maybe she just felt comfortable in New York, but that speech tonight hit all the right notes and I felt like I have seen more personality from here than I've ever seen before.

COOPER: You folks seem on the Democrats?


COOPER: (Inaudible) you know what.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Really, really like nobody.

COOPER: Bakari.

SELLERS: It was June 4th in 2008 when Barack Obama clinched that nomination. I think they will see something like that very soon with Hillary Clinton. Tonight, she put 10 million cracks in ultimate glass ceiling became that much closer being the first female president of the United States. It was an awesome night for Hillary Clinton. She worked extremely hard as a candidate.

But there's a lot to be said about Bernie Sanders from coming this far. I don't think anybody thought Bernie Sanders would be where he is today so kudos to the Bernie Sanders campaign. I think now is time for these campaigns to come together because I'll said it once and I'll say it again, a race against Donald Trump is a fight for as long as ...

COOPER: You want to cheat (ph) the rhetoric between these two candidates.

SELLERS: No more showering, you know, the secretary in her motorcade with dollar bills, no more talking about Democratic course. On the Clinton campaign side, you know, talk about contrasting those issues with Donald Trump and Ted Cruz. I think that the country is where we are whether or not it's women's health care, whether or not it's the minimum wage, whether or not it's climate change, let's talk about those issues, let's raise the level of the dialogue and let's get ready for hell of a campaign, remember. COOPER: Bill?

PRESS: And let me just add, no more Ralph Nader talk either. That was really uncompromised, but coming into Bernie Sanders of one-eight nonetheless tonight, Hillary had a huge, huge of president victory in New York. And now, we move forward, there still 1,675 delegates to be decided. And so we have the big week next week and then, you know, what I say, California here we come.


BORGER: I think the math tonight is really impressive for Donald Trump. I think he is the only Republican candidate who can get to 1,237 now before the convention and that's our goal. And I think Hillary Clinton had a very impressive win and I think that at some point in the not too distant future, probably before California (inaudible).

Bernie Sanders and his team were going to have to sort of figure out how they proceed, what tone they take. I mean, they can run forever until California, but I think that the tone has to change in the Democratic race stuff.


PRESTON: When we go on the (inaudible) I think that next Tuesday, he's going to be the (inaudible).



PRESTON: But having said that, this is what and (inaudible) to get some thoughts here that I was thinking as well why is the most significant night. I do think Gloria is correct. I do think that there has to be some kind of movement on the Democratic side (inaudible) this is going to go forward, does he want to go forward as someone who's going to be pushing the agenda and not necessarily attacking Hillary Clinton although he said he's not. The fact is, I mean he is.

And I think we've seen Donald Trump take the turn and I do think this new Donald Trump, if all man afford, not saying he wants to change the rules, Donald Trump's knew. I want those new advisers. I think it's a new Donald Trump. I think that's kind of Donald Trump that will bring Republican's win.

[01:55:06] HENDERSON: Yeah, yeah. I think that's right. And I think, you know, if you're Ted Cruz, you're not thinking that next Tuesday is going to be the most important night in politics. You're looking for May. And I think if you're Bernie sanders, you're looking for May as well and they're going to try to, you know, kind of (inaudible) next Tuesday and see what they can do in the back end.

RAJU: I just want to bring up the one name we have not talked about, John Kasich. COOPER: Right.


RAJU: You know, he had really -- delegates difficult night and he has struggling also other state like in Wisconsin, another mid western state where presumably he could've been won, did not do well here. What does that mean for him going forward and he is still trailing Marco Rubio ...


RAJU: ... in the delegate counting.


RAJU: He goes the other race for more than a month.

COOPER: I hope you join us next Tuesday for CNN's coverage of another Super Tuesday Rhode Island, Connecticut, Pennsylvania, Delaware and Maryland, all will be primaries that day Mark Preston says the most important night of the race thus far.

Meantime, our special coverage of the New York Primaries continues with Isha Sesay and John Vause.